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Old 03-23-2007, 04:30 AM
witan
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Characters in document file names changed on restoration

While checking some of my document folders for erasing unwanted files,
I came across a quite a few documents with identical contents, but
slightly different names, e.g.

''Real'' cost of smoking.doc
__REAL___COST_OF_SMOKING.DOC

The one with all CAPS and underscores has obviously resulted from
conversion of all non-alphabet characters (e.g. like "m-dash" -, "n-
dash" -, comma, parantheses, single quotes, double quotes using Alt
+147 or Alt+148, etc.), and spaces to underscores. I know also that
this has come about when I restored some files from back-up on CD or
DVD. My question is, WHY does this happen, and how to avoid
duplicating files in future.
Any suggestions will be appreciated.

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Old 03-23-2007, 04:45 AM
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Re: Characters in document file names changed on restoration


"witan" <tsr1936******.com> wrote in message
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> While checking some of my document folders for erasing unwanted files,
> I came across a quite a few documents with identical contents, but
> slightly different names, e.g.
>
> ''Real'' cost of smoking.doc
> __REAL___COST_OF_SMOKING.DOC
>
> The one with all CAPS and underscores has obviously resulted from
> conversion of all non-alphabet characters (e.g. like "m-dash" -, "n-
> dash" -, comma, parantheses, single quotes, double quotes using Alt
> +147 or Alt+148, etc.), and spaces to underscores. I know also that
> this has come about when I restored some files from back-up on CD or
> DVD. My question is, WHY does this happen, and how to avoid
> duplicating files in future.
> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>


The characters have not changed but their interpretation
by your application has. I suspect you're using a different
character set or country code. Best to ask the experts in
a Word newsgroup.

If you're still convinced that the backup/restoration process
changed the characters, do this:
1. Save a sample file to the hard disk.
2. Save it to a CD as well.
3. Restore it from the CD to a different folder.
4. Start a Command Prompt and run this command:
fc.exe /b d:\org.doc d:\restored.doc
fc.exe will most likely tell you that the files are identical.


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Old 03-23-2007, 07:00 PM
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Re: Characters in document file names changed on restoration

On Mar 23, 5:34 pm, "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I...@fly.com> wrote:
> "witan" <tsr1...******.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174652740.589230.178780@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > While checking some of my document folders for erasing unwanted files,
> > I came across a quite a few documents with identical contents, but
> > slightly different names, e.g.

>
> > ''Real'' cost of smoking.doc
> > __REAL___COST_OF_SMOKING.DOC

>
> > The one with all CAPS and underscores has obviously resulted from
> > conversion of all non-alphabet characters (e.g. like "m-dash" -, "n-
> > dash" -, comma, parantheses, single quotes, double quotes using Alt
> > +147 or Alt+148, etc.), and spaces to underscores. I know also that
> > this has come about when I restored some files from back-up on CD or
> > DVD. My question is, WHY does this happen, and how to avoid
> > duplicating files in future.
> > Any suggestions will be appreciated.

>
> The characters have not changed but their interpretation
> by your application has. I suspect you're using a different
> character set or country code. Best to ask the experts in
> a Word newsgroup.
>
> If you're still convinced that the backup/restoration process
> changed the characters, do this:
> 1. Save a sample file to the hard disk.
> 2. Save it to a CD as well.
> 3. Restore it from the CD to a different folder.
> 4. Start a Command Prompt and run this command:
> fc.exe /b d:\org.doc d:\restored.doc
> fc.exe will most likely tell you that the files are identical.


Thank you, Pegasus, for your prompt response.
It has nothing to do with (Microsoft) Word. Thinking back, I have an
explanation. Prior to reinstalling Windows-XP (needed because of a
failing HD) I had backed-up important document files on to a DVD.
Somewhat earlier, I had also copied three entire folders to a Linux
(Mandriva 10.1) partition, using utilities in Linux. After
reinstalling Windows-XP, I copied the files (using Linux again) in
Linux partition to a CD-RW, then booted back to Windows-XP and copied
the files back to Windows partition. (This round-about procedure is
required because Linux cannot write to NTFS volumes). Linux had
converted the non-alpha-numeric characters in file names to
underscores, and the alphabets to upper case.
I haven't tried fc, but it is obvious that Windows considers the files
with the converted names as different from the distal originals, as
otherwise they cannot exist in the same folder.

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Old 03-23-2007, 09:00 PM
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Re: Characters in document file names changed on restoration


"witan" <tsr1936******.com> wrote in message
news:1174704847.806173.198750@e65g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
> On Mar 23, 5:34 pm, "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I...@fly.com> wrote:
> > "witan" <tsr1...******.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1174652740.589230.178780@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > While checking some of my document folders for erasing unwanted files,
> > > I came across a quite a few documents with identical contents, but
> > > slightly different names, e.g.

> >
> > > ''Real'' cost of smoking.doc
> > > __REAL___COST_OF_SMOKING.DOC

> >
> > > The one with all CAPS and underscores has obviously resulted from
> > > conversion of all non-alphabet characters (e.g. like "m-dash" -, "n-
> > > dash" -, comma, parantheses, single quotes, double quotes using Alt
> > > +147 or Alt+148, etc.), and spaces to underscores. I know also that
> > > this has come about when I restored some files from back-up on CD or
> > > DVD. My question is, WHY does this happen, and how to avoid
> > > duplicating files in future.
> > > Any suggestions will be appreciated.

> >
> > The characters have not changed but their interpretation
> > by your application has. I suspect you're using a different
> > character set or country code. Best to ask the experts in
> > a Word newsgroup.
> >
> > If you're still convinced that the backup/restoration process
> > changed the characters, do this:
> > 1. Save a sample file to the hard disk.
> > 2. Save it to a CD as well.
> > 3. Restore it from the CD to a different folder.
> > 4. Start a Command Prompt and run this command:
> > fc.exe /b d:\org.doc d:\restored.doc
> > fc.exe will most likely tell you that the files are identical.

>
> Thank you, Pegasus, for your prompt response.
> It has nothing to do with (Microsoft) Word. Thinking back, I have an
> explanation. Prior to reinstalling Windows-XP (needed because of a
> failing HD) I had backed-up important document files on to a DVD.
> Somewhat earlier, I had also copied three entire folders to a Linux
> (Mandriva 10.1) partition, using utilities in Linux. After
> reinstalling Windows-XP, I copied the files (using Linux again) in
> Linux partition to a CD-RW, then booted back to Windows-XP and copied
> the files back to Windows partition. (This round-about procedure is
> required because Linux cannot write to NTFS volumes). Linux had
> converted the non-alpha-numeric characters in file names to
> underscores, and the alphabets to upper case.
> I haven't tried fc, but it is obvious that Windows considers the files
> with the converted names as different from the distal originals, as
> otherwise they cannot exist in the same folder.
>


I misread your original post. I thought your post was about
modified file content. I now realise it's about modified file names.
My mistake. The explanation you supply is probably correct.


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