Here we go again :(
So much for Linux *killing* Microsoft Vista.

What a joke.
So how long has Linux been around? Maybe 12 years or more?
So why is Linux still as user unfriendly and hostile as it was 12
years ago?

When tech journalists can't even get Linux, in this case Ubuntu, to
work there is something seriously wrong with Linux.

Of course we all know the Linux cultists will blame the user, call him
an idiot etc.

With Linux, it always seems to be the users fault.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37742

"Quite an impressive start for a piece of free software, I think
you'll agree. But (and you just knew there was a 'but' coming, didn't
you?) then the wheels started to come off. Despite it being the latest
ISO image I could find, the first thing the system did when it saw the
Web was to download 104 updates - roughly 60 per cent more than a new
install of Windows XP SP2 asks for."

"Well, I've only been playing with computers since 1972 and I couldn't
make it work. Linux can see the Windows boxes and vice versa, but any
attempt to access files is met with a login dialogue box that refuses
any username and password I enter. Now my learned friends tell me I
should be using something called Wine. I've been a heavy user of wine
for many years and it certainly helped relax me but did absolutely
nothing for my connectivity dilemma."

"So I've done what any normal person would do in the circumstances -
give up. If the awfully-clever people who write bits of open source
code can't make it work automatically, I stand absolutely no chance of
fixing it. It looks very much to me as if people clever enough to
write an entire operating system can't make a simple bit of networking
work, it has to be a deliberate marketing decision rather than a lack
of ability."

"The Ubuntu box now awaits rebirth as another Windows XP machine. I
have neither the time nor the inclination to persevere with its
perversity. Maybe I'll try Linux again in another ten years. Maybe by
then it will have grown up. µ
"


And another Linux Distribution ends up as a coaster.
This seems to be all to common an experience and it might account for
the fact that Linux still hovers around less than 1 percent of the
desktop market share.

On Feb 20, 11:46 am, royschestow...******.com wrote:
> Here we go again :(
> So much for Linux *killing* Microsoft Vista.
>
> What a joke.
> So how long has Linux been around? Maybe 12 years or more?
> So why is Linux still as user unfriendly and hostile as it was 12
> years ago?
>
> When tech journalists can't even get Linux, in this case Ubuntu, to
> work there is something seriously wrong with Linux.

Calculus has been around what, 300 years and it's no more user-
friendly, but does that make it any less useful and valuable?
;)
I've installed Ubuntu twice, and yeah, it's a modicum harder than
installing Windows in that you have to select a drive to install it
to--other than that, pretty gosh darn easy!
It's a matter of who your market is, Mr. Troll. Until Ubuntu, I don't
think any distro itself has ever advocated that it's meant for the
ordinary user, although some fans have tried to do so.
Linux, until Ubuntu, has always been for more tech savvy people.

So, yeah, Mr. Troll, if you can't install Ubuntu, I'm afraid it's not
the distro that sucks, but....

royschestowitz******.com wrote:

>
> When tech journalists can't even get Linux, in this case Ubuntu, to
> work there is something seriously wrong with Linux.

Or with the "tech" journalist?

How does that explain how I, a complete Linux noob, managed to install
and set-up my Ubuntu without a single problem, on my Athlon x64 3400/2
x SATA hard-drives/2Gb DDR2 machine? And later to install both Gnome
and KDE, selectable at login, and later add an XFCE desktop?

The only thing I had to do which involved doing a bit of thinking was
setting-up my Laserjet 5Si LPT1 printer and my networked Konica-Minolta
colour laser printer, however both were added easily and with native
drivers.

And although I have years of experience with Windows, from 3.11 to XP
Pro, I have less than 2 months experience of Linux.

The journo must be a total idiot!

--
Paul-B

One thing that might help. Vista requires a password on an account with
enough privilege to access the share (such as an administrator), unlike XP
which does not require passwords for shares. If you don't have a password on
an account it will still ask for a password but not accept anything you put
in. This is the case even with an XP machine trying to access a Vista machine
(unless both have an account with the same username/pass that has priveledges
on the Vista machine or connected to the same domain server.)

Hope that helps.

"royschestowitz******.com" wrote:

> Here we go again :(
> So much for Linux *killing* Microsoft Vista.
>
> What a joke.
> So how long has Linux been around? Maybe 12 years or more?
> So why is Linux still as user unfriendly and hostile as it was 12
> years ago?
>
> When tech journalists can't even get Linux, in this case Ubuntu, to
> work there is something seriously wrong with Linux.
>
> Of course we all know the Linux cultists will blame the user, call him
> an idiot etc.
>
> With Linux, it always seems to be the users fault.
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37742
>
> "Quite an impressive start for a piece of free software, I think
> you'll agree. But (and you just knew there was a 'but' coming, didn't
> you?) then the wheels started to come off. Despite it being the latest
> ISO image I could find, the first thing the system did when it saw the
> Web was to download 104 updates - roughly 60 per cent more than a new
> install of Windows XP SP2 asks for."
>
> "Well, I've only been playing with computers since 1972 and I couldn't
> make it work. Linux can see the Windows boxes and vice versa, but any
> attempt to access files is met with a login dialogue box that refuses
> any username and password I enter. Now my learned friends tell me I
> should be using something called Wine. I've been a heavy user of wine
> for many years and it certainly helped relax me but did absolutely
> nothing for my connectivity dilemma."
>
> "So I've done what any normal person would do in the circumstances -
> give up. If the awfully-clever people who write bits of open source
> code can't make it work automatically, I stand absolutely no chance of
> fixing it. It looks very much to me as if people clever enough to
> write an entire operating system can't make a simple bit of networking
> work, it has to be a deliberate marketing decision rather than a lack
> of ability."
>
> "The Ubuntu box now awaits rebirth as another Windows XP machine. I
> have neither the time nor the inclination to persevere with its
> perversity. Maybe I'll try Linux again in another ten years. Maybe by
> then it will have grown up. µ
> "
>
>
> And another Linux Distribution ends up as a coaster.
> This seems to be all to common an experience and it might account for
> the fact that Linux still hovers around less than 1 percent of the
> desktop market share.
>
>

Oh boy. I've worked with Linux, and Ubuntu is about the EASIEST to use. If
he can't figure it out, then there IS something wrong with the user,
especially if he calls himself a tech journalist. He needs a new job. He
sounds more like a Linux basher, and the media usually wins in things like
this.

I prefer Windows, as Linux isn't ready for the desktop or gaming, but for a
server it has it's purpose.



--
Dustin Harper
dharper@vistarip.com
http://www.vistarip.com

--
<royschestowitz******.com> wrote in message
news:1171993587.208455.132750@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
Here we go again :(
So much for Linux *killing* Microsoft Vista.

What a joke.
So how long has Linux been around? Maybe 12 years or more?
So why is Linux still as user unfriendly and hostile as it was 12
years ago?

When tech journalists can't even get Linux, in this case Ubuntu, to
work there is something seriously wrong with Linux.

Of course we all know the Linux cultists will blame the user, call him
an idiot etc.

With Linux, it always seems to be the users fault.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37742

"Quite an impressive start for a piece of free software, I think
you'll agree. But (and you just knew there was a 'but' coming, didn't
you?) then the wheels started to come off. Despite it being the latest
ISO image I could find, the first thing the system did when it saw the
Web was to download 104 updates - roughly 60 per cent more than a new
install of Windows XP SP2 asks for."

"Well, I've only been playing with computers since 1972 and I couldn't
make it work. Linux can see the Windows boxes and vice versa, but any
attempt to access files is met with a login dialogue box that refuses
any username and password I enter. Now my learned friends tell me I
should be using something called Wine. I've been a heavy user of wine
for many years and it certainly helped relax me but did absolutely
nothing for my connectivity dilemma."

"So I've done what any normal person would do in the circumstances -
give up. If the awfully-clever people who write bits of open source
code can't make it work automatically, I stand absolutely no chance of
fixing it. It looks very much to me as if people clever enough to
write an entire operating system can't make a simple bit of networking
work, it has to be a deliberate marketing decision rather than a lack
of ability."

"The Ubuntu box now awaits rebirth as another Windows XP machine. I
have neither the time nor the inclination to persevere with its
perversity. Maybe I'll try Linux again in another ten years. Maybe by
then it will have grown up. µ
"


And another Linux Distribution ends up as a coaster.
This seems to be all to common an experience and it might account for
the fact that Linux still hovers around less than 1 percent of the
desktop market share.

royschestowitz******.com wrote:

> Here we go again :(
> So much for Linux *killing* Microsoft Vista.

Troll.

I don't think the problem is that it isn't easy, the problem is he couldn't
get Ubuntu to access his windows boxes, which I think Ubuntu/Linux claims it
can do.

I had Ubuntu installed, I wanted to run it on my 1080p HDTV, but could not
get it to output to 1080p without figuring out the whole modeline thing. It
was a real pain. I switched to FC6, and the system booted into 1080p mode
with no tinkering.

One problem resolved.

I bought a PVR-150 card for TV Capture, turns out Hauppauge now ships
HVR-1600 cards in place of the old PVR-150 card. Unfortunatly ivtv (the
linux driver for these cards) does not support the card (dispite the
striking similarities to the pvr-150 from an outside POV), and the driver
writters have stated they aren't planning to write a driver for the card.
(took me a good day of tinkering and internet searching to figure out what
the problem was). What to do, what to do. Well I finally bought a second
PVR-150 card, and used the newer HVR-1600 card in my Vista machine.

Point being, Linux is just a pain in the ass to setup. Sure you can install
the thing easily enough assuming you're using common hardware, but as soon
as you get some weird/new hardware, even if the hardware is similar to other
hardware, you are just outta luck.

I wish I was a better programmer so I could write my own drivers, but I'm
not. Vista doesn't require that I know how to program to get everything
working. Microsoft has gone quite far in that area I guess.

Yes, I like Linux, it's cool and fun to play around with, and i'd give
anything if Linux would just work as easily as it is to install, but it
doesn't (for me at my skill level), which is too bad. Oh, and i'm a gamer,
and i'm sorry folks, but Wine doesn't cut it either. (yet) Maybe some new
libs to combat the DirectX dominance would help?

-A.

"Dustin Harper" <dharper@vistarip.com> wrote in message
news:eSoSitRVHHA.996@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Oh boy. I've worked with Linux, and Ubuntu is about the EASIEST to use. If
> he can't figure it out, then there IS something wrong with the user,
> especially if he calls himself a tech journalist. He needs a new job. He
> sounds more like a Linux basher, and the media usually wins in things like
> this.
>
> I prefer Windows, as Linux isn't ready for the desktop or gaming, but for
> a server it has it's purpose.
>
>
>
> --
> Dustin Harper
> dharper@vistarip.com
> http://www.vistarip.com
>
> --
> <royschestowitz******.com> wrote in message
> news:1171993587.208455.132750@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Here we go again :(
> So much for Linux *killing* Microsoft Vista.
>
> What a joke.
> So how long has Linux been around? Maybe 12 years or more?
> So why is Linux still as user unfriendly and hostile as it was 12
> years ago?
>
> When tech journalists can't even get Linux, in this case Ubuntu, to
> work there is something seriously wrong with Linux.
>
> Of course we all know the Linux cultists will blame the user, call him
> an idiot etc.
>
> With Linux, it always seems to be the users fault.
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37742
>
> "Quite an impressive start for a piece of free software, I think
> you'll agree. But (and you just knew there was a 'but' coming, didn't
> you?) then the wheels started to come off. Despite it being the latest
> ISO image I could find, the first thing the system did when it saw the
> Web was to download 104 updates - roughly 60 per cent more than a new
> install of Windows XP SP2 asks for."
>
> "Well, I've only been playing with computers since 1972 and I couldn't
> make it work. Linux can see the Windows boxes and vice versa, but any
> attempt to access files is met with a login dialogue box that refuses
> any username and password I enter. Now my learned friends tell me I
> should be using something called Wine. I've been a heavy user of wine
> for many years and it certainly helped relax me but did absolutely
> nothing for my connectivity dilemma."
>
> "So I've done what any normal person would do in the circumstances -
> give up. If the awfully-clever people who write bits of open source
> code can't make it work automatically, I stand absolutely no chance of
> fixing it. It looks very much to me as if people clever enough to
> write an entire operating system can't make a simple bit of networking
> work, it has to be a deliberate marketing decision rather than a lack
> of ability."
>
> "The Ubuntu box now awaits rebirth as another Windows XP machine. I
> have neither the time nor the inclination to persevere with its
> perversity. Maybe I'll try Linux again in another ten years. Maybe by
> then it will have grown up. µ
> "
>
>
> And another Linux Distribution ends up as a coaster.
> This seems to be all to common an experience and it might account for
> the fact that Linux still hovers around less than 1 percent of the
> desktop market share.
>

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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:46:27 -0800, someone pretending to be royschestowitz wrote:


> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37742
>
> "Quite an impressive start for a piece of free software, I think you'll
> agree. But (and you just knew there was a 'but' coming, didn't you?) then
> the wheels started to come off. Despite it being the latest ISO image I
> could find, the first thing the system did when it saw the Web was to
> download 104 updates - roughly 60 per cent more than a new install of
> Windows XP SP2 asks for."

Ubuntu isn't just a bare OS like Windows. The basic install includes
hundreds of top GUI applications that are also updated at the same time as
the kernel. If the author had bothered to look at the updates, he'd have
found that nearly all were for those applications.

> "Well, I've only been playing with computers since 1972 and I couldn't
> make it work. Linux can see the Windows boxes and vice versa, but any
> attempt to access files is met with a login dialogue box that refuses
> any username and password I enter. Now my learned friends tell me I
> should be using something called Wine. I've been a heavy user of wine
> for many years and it certainly helped relax me but did absolutely
> nothing for my connectivity dilemma."

Many different operating systems that have no trouble at all talking to
each other over a network, hit a brick wall when it comes to Windows.
Instead of blaming them, blame Microsoft for deliberately violating widely
accepted networking standards and then refusing to fully document their
own custom API's in an attempt to thwart OS competition.

In article <1171993587.208455.132750@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>,
royschestowitz******.com says...
> What a joke.

My guess would be that the tech was one of the same that said Defragging
doesn't have any benefit.

Oh, and Ub doesn't support WPA out of the box.

--
spam999free@rrohio.com - remove 999 to reply to me.
Using Gravity on Vista for your pleasure :)

nym shifting asstroturfer royschestowitz******.com wrote on behalf of
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> H


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On Feb 20, 12:46 pm, royschestow...******.com wrote:
> Here we go again :(

Yes, here we go again with a cowardly jerk falisfying someone else's
name. Apparently the real Roy has far more credibility than you do, or
you wouldn't need to steal his name.

Until such a time as you can behave like a grown up, you can sit in
the corner an be ignored.

Dean G.

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> writes:

> Imposter/troll warning. I have nothing whatsoever to do with the OP.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Roy Schestowitz

How do we know you are real? The nym you are posting from now is forever
spamming this NG with copies of other peoples work and with misleading
"comments".

This might be surprise to you roy, but posters here do know how to find
the linux sites themselves.

But no. You like the sound of your own voice too much to cease.

"Dustin Harper" <dharper@vistarip.com> writes:

> Oh boy. I've worked with Linux, and Ubuntu is about the EASIEST to
> use. If he can't figure it out, then there IS something wrong with the

yet you cant figure out not to top post or remove signatures?

http://www.vistarip.com/news.php

??? Is that your childish attempt to dissuading people from vista? LOL.


> user, especially if he calls himself a tech journalist. He needs a new
> job. He sounds more like a Linux basher, and the media usually wins in
> things like this.

Andy wrote:

> I don't think the problem is that it isn't easy, the problem is he
> couldn't get Ubuntu to access his windows boxes, which I think
> Ubuntu/Linux claims it can do.

It does. Straight out of the box. At least it does /here/ .......