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| Using Power Button to Shut Down I recently bought a new hard drive for my pc and installed XP fresh on that drive. I had problems with ACPI in the setup and eventually figured out how to get around these issues, but in the process, I'd reset my BIOS. My issue now is that I can't just press my power button to properly shut down and turn off the computer anymore. Is there a power setting in Windows or a setting in the BIOS that allows me to do this? Thanks for advance for any and all help!!! |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down LoganYoung wrote: > I recently bought a new hard drive for my pc and installed XP fresh on that > drive. I had problems with ACPI in the setup and eventually figured out how > to get around these issues, but in the process, I'd reset my BIOS. > > My issue now is that I can't just press my power button to properly shut > down and turn off the computer anymore. Is there a power setting in Windows > or a setting in the BIOS that allows me to do this? > > Thanks for advance for any and all help!!! Control Panel:Power Options:Advanced ? "When I press the power button on my computer" [Do nothing, Ask me what to do, Stand by, Hibernate, Shut down] Mine is set to shut down, and it does work, because I triggered it by accident yesterday. But that may depend on whether the ACPI is working or not. I don't know what happens to the options with some other HAL present. I've never been in that menu before. Re-enabling ACPI in the BIOS, may not magically return everything to normal in Windows. You may need the magic of "dumppo.exe" as well. ******* To check the HAL, one way is 1) Open Device Manager. 2) Click the (+) next to the word "Computer" 3) Read the description. Mine is "ACPI Multiprocessor PC" and my processor is a Core2 dual core. Transitions to other HALs are possible, some easier than others. "Standard PC" would be a pretty nasty one to deal with. One way to Device Manager, is Start:Run and type devmgmt.msc then hit enter. Just a guess, Paul |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down The only option in the Advanced tab is "Always show icon in Task Bar" |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down Paul will need to know if your computer is ACPI, follow his instructions, go in the Device Manager and see what type of "Computer" you have. If the computer is not shown as an ACPI PC the power options will not work, they will not be available. John LoganYoung wrote: > The only option in the Advanced tab is "Always show icon in Task Bar" |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down LoganYoung wrote: > The only option in the Advanced tab is "Always show icon in Task Bar" Does yours look like this ? This one is set to "Shut down" option, just like mine is right now. Are you missing the lower section or something ? http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...15shu01_02.gif Have you checked your Device Manager "Computer" entry yet ? Paul |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down I used to be able to do this, so it must've been ACPI, but when I tried installing XP on the new hard drive, for some reason, XP setup would blue screen efore starting the installation because of "ACPI non-compliance" I thought this might be a problem, but I just bypassed the ACPI and ran the setup using the standard HAL anyway. I guess that answers the question about the power button... Does anyone know how I can switch over to using the ACPI HAL instead? Preferably without re-installing XP. "Paul" wrote: > LoganYoung wrote: > > The only option in the Advanced tab is "Always show icon in Task Bar" > > Does yours look like this ? This one is set to "Shut down" option, > just like mine is right now. Are you missing the lower section > or something ? > > http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...15shu01_02.gif > > Have you checked your Device Manager "Computer" entry yet ? > > Paul > . > |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down You cannot change from a Non-ACPI HAL to an ACPI HAL, you must reinstall the operating system if you want to switch to an ACPI HAL. John LoganYoung wrote: > I used to be able to do this, so it must've been ACPI, but when I tried > installing XP on the new hard drive, for some reason, XP setup would blue > screen efore starting the installation because of "ACPI non-compliance" > I thought this might be a problem, but I just bypassed the ACPI and ran the > setup using the standard HAL anyway. > > I guess that answers the question about the power button... Does anyone know > how I can switch over to using the ACPI HAL instead? Preferably without > re-installing XP. > > "Paul" wrote: > >> LoganYoung wrote: >>> The only option in the Advanced tab is "Always show icon in Task Bar" >> Does yours look like this ? This one is set to "Shut down" option, >> just like mine is right now. Are you missing the lower section >> or something ? >> >> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...15shu01_02.gif >> >> Have you checked your Device Manager "Computer" entry yet ? >> >> Paul >> . >> |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down On Nov 27, 3:20*am, LoganYoung <LoganYo...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > I used to be able to do this, so it must've been ACPI, but when I tried > installing XP on the new hard drive, for some reason, XP setup would blue > screen efore starting the installation because of "ACPI non-compliance" > I thought this might be a problem, but I just bypassed the ACPI and ran the > setup using the standard HAL anyway. > > I guess that answers the question about the power button... Does anyone know > how I can switch over to using the ACPI HAL instead? Preferably without > re-installing XP. > > > > "Paul" wrote: > > LoganYoung wrote: > > > The only option in the Advanced tab is "Always show icon in Task Bar" > > > Does yours look like this ? This one is set to "Shut down" option, > > just like mine is right now. Are you missing the lower section > > or something ? > > >http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...cs/r0062002111... > > > Have you checked your Device Manager "Computer" entry yet ? > > > * * Paul > > . I would back up a step or two and take a look at your BIOS - ACPI starts there. XP will choose the appropriate hal.dll at installation time from a table based on what it finds in the BIOS. No ACPI BIOS = no ACPI compliant hal.dll. No match at all = generic hal.dll. If there is a mismatch, you will likely get a BSOD (A5) at installation with a message to update your BIOS (sounds like you did). You can choose to not upgrade your BIOS and force a basic hal.dll at installation, but why not just update your BIOS and know everything is fine instead of trying to shoehorn some hal.dll in later? Who know what other BIOS updates you are missing? There are only 7 (?) hal.dlls to choose from so you could certainly easily replace yours by hand if you knew the right one, but I don't know what the consequences would be. Let us know how that works out! |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down LoganYoung wrote: > I used to be able to do this, so it must've been ACPI, but when I tried > installing XP on the new hard drive, for some reason, XP setup would blue > screen efore starting the installation because of "ACPI non-compliance" > I thought this might be a problem, but I just bypassed the ACPI and ran the > setup using the standard HAL anyway. > > I guess that answers the question about the power button... Does anyone know > how I can switch over to using the ACPI HAL instead? Preferably without > re-installing XP. I think Jose is spot on, and you need to take a look in your BIOS. There is some "F5" option during install, which is offered as a means for the user to "pick the HAL". But obviously, you can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If the BIOS is telling the computer it isn't ACPI, then all the fiddling with F5 isn't going to change the results. So F5 would be more of a curiosity, rather than a solution. I had one computer, where ACPI *was* enabled, but the installer still took a dislike. It took a BIOS update to fix that old machine. On some retail motherboards, some amateur BIOS maintainer at the factory, will break a feature like that, for one or two releases of BIOS (out of perhaps a dozen of them). If you're patient, and the hardware gods smile on your endeavor, you can fix it. Flashing the BIOS is not without risks, and I'd only do that as a last resort (there is plenty of trivia associated with flashing, enough for a separate posting). If the motherboard is known to have a flash chip in a socket, if you brick the computer in the attempt, a site like badflash.com can sell you a replacement EEPROM. There are the odd cheesy motherboards, where the chip is soldered directly to the motherboard, which makes triage a bit difficult for a home user. My guess, a trip to the BIOS and setting "ACPI 2.0" may help you. The BIOS passes "tables" to the OS or installer CD booting the machine, and it is the cryptic contents of those tables that determine the OS response. If the right "features" aren't in the table, you end up with "Standard PC" or the like. The Linux OS lists the tables, during a boot sequence, if you're curious as to what the 4 character table names are. Flavors of HAL. Just so you know what the options are. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309283 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314063 "Method 1: Specify the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) Use this method first to try to resolve the Stop error message. 1. During the installation startup, press F5 when the "Setup is inspecting your computer's hardware configuration" message is displayed." So it could be a very easy fix. One trip to the BIOS, enable ACPI 2.0 or later, save and exit. Then work through the details of reinstall. HTH, Paul > > "Paul" wrote: > >> LoganYoung wrote: >>> The only option in the Advanced tab is "Always show icon in Task Bar" >> Does yours look like this ? This one is set to "Shut down" option, >> just like mine is right now. Are you missing the lower section >> or something ? >> >> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...15shu01_02.gif >> >> Have you checked your Device Manager "Computer" entry yet ? >> >> Paul >> . >> |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down So what you're saying is that there's a setting I can change in my bios that'll sort out the ACPI non-compliance and then I just have to re-install Windows? I fully intend to update my BIOS, but there's a little issue about getting the update installed as I don't have a 3.5" floppy drive installed in the box or disks to use... I did check the Device Manager and it does say something like "Standard Computer" I'll have my brother look around in the BIOS to see if he can find the ACPI2.0 setting if it exists. "Paul" wrote: > LoganYoung wrote: > > I used to be able to do this, so it must've been ACPI, but when I tried > > installing XP on the new hard drive, for some reason, XP setup would blue > > screen efore starting the installation because of "ACPI non-compliance" > > I thought this might be a problem, but I just bypassed the ACPI and ran the > > setup using the standard HAL anyway. > > > > I guess that answers the question about the power button... Does anyone know > > how I can switch over to using the ACPI HAL instead? Preferably without > > re-installing XP. > > I think Jose is spot on, and you need to take a look in your BIOS. > > There is some "F5" option during install, which is offered as a means > for the user to "pick the HAL". But obviously, you can't fit a square > peg in a round hole. If the BIOS is telling the computer it isn't ACPI, > then all the fiddling with F5 isn't going to change the results. So > F5 would be more of a curiosity, rather than a solution. > > I had one computer, where ACPI *was* enabled, but the installer still > took a dislike. It took a BIOS update to fix that old machine. On some > retail motherboards, some amateur BIOS maintainer at the factory, will > break a feature like that, for one or two releases of BIOS (out of perhaps > a dozen of them). If you're patient, and the hardware gods smile on your > endeavor, you can fix it. Flashing the BIOS is not without risks, and > I'd only do that as a last resort (there is plenty of trivia associated > with flashing, enough for a separate posting). If the motherboard is known > to have a flash chip in a socket, if you brick the computer in the > attempt, a site like badflash.com can sell you a replacement EEPROM. > There are the odd cheesy motherboards, where the chip is soldered > directly to the motherboard, which makes triage a bit difficult for > a home user. > > My guess, a trip to the BIOS and setting "ACPI 2.0" may help you. > The BIOS passes "tables" to the OS or installer CD booting the > machine, and it is the cryptic contents of those tables that > determine the OS response. If the right "features" aren't in the > table, you end up with "Standard PC" or the like. The Linux OS > lists the tables, during a boot sequence, if you're curious as > to what the 4 character table names are. > > Flavors of HAL. Just so you know what the options are. > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309283 > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314063 > > "Method 1: Specify the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) > Use this method first to try to resolve the Stop error message. > > 1. During the installation startup, press F5 when the "Setup is > inspecting your computer's hardware configuration" message is displayed." > > So it could be a very easy fix. One trip to the BIOS, enable > ACPI 2.0 or later, save and exit. Then work through the details > of reinstall. > > HTH, > Paul > > > > > "Paul" wrote: > > > >> LoganYoung wrote: > >>> The only option in the Advanced tab is "Always show icon in Task Bar" > >> Does yours look like this ? This one is set to "Shut down" option, > >> just like mine is right now. Are you missing the lower section > >> or something ? > >> > >> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...15shu01_02.gif > >> > >> Have you checked your Device Manager "Computer" entry yet ? > >> > >> Paul > >> . > >> > > . > |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down LoganYoung wrote: > So what you're saying is that there's a setting I can change in my bios > that'll sort out the ACPI non-compliance and then I just have to re-install > Windows? > > I fully intend to update my BIOS, but there's a little issue about getting > the update installed as I don't have a 3.5" floppy drive installed in the box > or disks to use... > > I did check the Device Manager and it does say something like "Standard > Computer" > I'll have my brother look around in the BIOS to see if he can find the > ACPI2.0 setting if it exists. > "Standard PC" means you don't have a working ACPI at the moment. To summarize: 1) There is (usually) a setting in the BIOS with "ACPI" in the name. Sometimes it allows a setting of version 1 or 2, which are versions of the standard. Try setting it to version 2.0, or at least ascertain that some kind of ACPI is enabled. Try your install again, and either verify the F5 HAL selection now allows ACPI, or complete the installation and verify the Computer entry in Device Manager now has ACPI in the Properties name. To make standby work, while you're there, you can look for a setting for standby. It should include "S3" at least, because "S3" is the name of the Standby Suspend To RAM state. That is the state that allows all the fans to go off, but keeps the state of your computer session stored in system RAM. You can wake the computer and pick up where you left off. That won't work, if ACPI isn't working. S3 is part of ACPI. Finding and fixing that isn't absolutely essential, but is all part of setting up the computer properly. (It means less work to do with "dumppo.exe" at some date in the future. Nicer to get it right the first time.) The ACPI technical site is here, but this isn't meant to help end users. http://www.acpi.info/ 2) Even if the BIOS setting is present, it can be broken. If you try an install, after setting up what appears to be a valid ACPI setting, and you're still not getting an ACPI install, it could be a BIOS issue. A motherboard that might have an issue, might be say seven years old. The more modern a motherboard gets, the less likely the BIOS contains a broken ACPI implementation. If you suspect the BIOS is broken, and is preventing the OS install from working properly, then you would go looking for a different version of that BIOS. I would not do that, unless all other possibilities had been exhausted. HTH, Paul |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down As it turns out, my motherboard isn't on the manufacturer's list anymore. It's a Gigabyte GA-8i945PM-RH board. Because it's not on Gigabyte's website, I can't find any BIOS updates or basic information for it... At what point during Windows setup do I press F5 to see the available HALs I can use? "Paul" wrote: > LoganYoung wrote: > > So what you're saying is that there's a setting I can change in my bios > > that'll sort out the ACPI non-compliance and then I just have to re-install > > Windows? > > > > I fully intend to update my BIOS, but there's a little issue about getting > > the update installed as I don't have a 3.5" floppy drive installed in the box > > or disks to use... > > > > I did check the Device Manager and it does say something like "Standard > > Computer" > > I'll have my brother look around in the BIOS to see if he can find the > > ACPI2.0 setting if it exists. > > > > "Standard PC" means you don't have a working ACPI at the moment. > > To summarize: > > 1) There is (usually) a setting in the BIOS with "ACPI" in the name. > Sometimes it allows a setting of version 1 or 2, which are versions of > the standard. Try setting it to version 2.0, or at least > ascertain that some kind of ACPI is enabled. Try your install again, > and either verify the F5 HAL selection now allows ACPI, or complete > the installation and verify the Computer entry in Device Manager > now has ACPI in the Properties name. > > To make standby work, while you're there, you can look for a setting > for standby. It should include "S3" at least, because "S3" is the > name of the Standby Suspend To RAM state. That is the state that > allows all the fans to go off, but keeps the state of your computer > session stored in system RAM. You can wake the computer and pick up where > you left off. That won't work, if ACPI isn't working. S3 is part > of ACPI. Finding and fixing that isn't absolutely essential, but > is all part of setting up the computer properly. (It means less > work to do with "dumppo.exe" at some date in the future. Nicer to > get it right the first time.) > > The ACPI technical site is here, but this isn't meant to help end users. > > http://www.acpi.info/ > > 2) Even if the BIOS setting is present, it can be broken. If you > try an install, after setting up what appears to be a valid ACPI > setting, and you're still not getting an ACPI install, it could be > a BIOS issue. A motherboard that might have an issue, might be > say seven years old. The more modern a motherboard gets, the less > likely the BIOS contains a broken ACPI implementation. If you suspect > the BIOS is broken, and is preventing the OS install from working properly, > then you would go looking for a different version of that BIOS. I > would not do that, unless all other possibilities had been exhausted. > > HTH, > Paul > . > |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down On Dec 1, 6:40*am, LoganYoung <LoganYo...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > As it turns out, my motherboard isn't on the manufacturer's list anymore. > It's a Gigabyte GA-8i945PM-RH board. Because it's not on Gigabyte's website, > I can't find any BIOS updates or basic information for it... > At what point during Windows setup do I press F5 to see the available HALs I > can use? > > > > "Paul" wrote: > > LoganYoung wrote: > > > So what you're saying is that there's a setting I can change in my bios > > > that'll sort out the ACPI non-compliance and then I just have to re-install > > > Windows? > > > > I fully intend to update my BIOS, but there's a little issue about getting > > > the update installed as I don't have a 3.5" floppy drive installed inthe box > > > or disks to use... > > > > I did check the Device Manager and it does say something like "Standard > > > Computer" > > > I'll have my brother look around in the BIOS to see if he can find the > > > ACPI2.0 setting if it exists. > > > "Standard PC" means you don't have a working ACPI at the moment. > > > To summarize: > > > 1) There is (usually) a setting in the BIOS with "ACPI" in the name. > > * * Sometimes it allows a setting of version 1 or 2, which are versions of > > * * the standard. Try setting it to version 2.0, or at least > > * * ascertain that some kind of ACPI is enabled. Try your install again, > > * * and either verify the F5 HAL selection now allows ACPI, or complete > > * * the installation and verify the Computer entry in Device Manager > > * * now has ACPI in the Properties name. > > > * * To make standby work, while you're there, you can look for a setting > > * * for standby. It should include "S3" at least, because "S3" is the > > * * name of the Standby Suspend To RAM state. That is the state that > > * * allows all the fans to go off, but keeps the state of your computer > > * * session stored in system RAM. You can wake the computer and pick up where > > * * you left off. That won't work, if ACPI isn't working. S3 is part > > * * of ACPI. Finding and fixing that isn't absolutely essential, but > > * * is all part of setting up the computer properly. (It means less > > * * work to do with "dumppo.exe" at some date in the future. Nicer to > > * * get it right the first time.) > > > * * The ACPI technical site is here, but this isn't meant to help end users. > > > * *http://www.acpi.info/ > > > 2) Even if the BIOS setting is present, it can be broken. If you > > * * try an install, after setting up what appears to be a valid ACPI > > * * setting, and you're still not getting an ACPI install, it couldbe > > * * a BIOS issue. A motherboard that might have an issue, might be > > * * say seven years old. The more modern a motherboard gets, the less > > * * likely the BIOS contains a broken ACPI implementation. If you suspect > > * * the BIOS is broken, and is preventing the OS install from working properly, > > * * then you would go looking for a different version of that BIOS.I > > * * would not do that, unless all other possibilities had been exhausted. > > > HTH, > > * * * Paul > > . Please provide additional information about your system. Click Start, Run and in the box enter: msinfo32 Click OK, and when the System Summary info appears, click Edit, Select All, Copy and then paste the information back here. There will be some personal information (like System Name and User Name), and whatever appears to be private information to you, just delete it from the pasted information. This will minimize back and forth Q&A and eliminate guesswork. |
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| Re: Using Power Button to Shut Down LoganYoung wrote: > As it turns out, my motherboard isn't on the manufacturer's list anymore. > It's a Gigabyte GA-8i945PM-RH board. Because it's not on Gigabyte's website, > I can't find any BIOS updates or basic information for it... > At what point during Windows setup do I press F5 to see the available HALs I > can use? That is an OEM board. Gigabyte makes it, under contract, for a major computer maker. You need to go to the major computer maker web site, and look under the model number of the computer. Boards made under contract, are not supported directly by Gigabyte. They're not responsible to provide a manual or BIOS updates on the Gigabyte site. On occasion, your computer maker may have a BIOS update or they may not. Generally, there are fewer BIOS updates for OEM boards. So you'd also need to post the make and model number of the computer, to make it possible to trace down more info. (Picture of OEM GA-8I945PM-RH Socket 775 Motherboard) http://yamaha.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=79406 In a search engine, it looks like your computer might be a Packard Bell of some sort. The motherboard part number shows up here. http://support.packardbell.com/globa...platform_ibiza BIOS screens are documented here. No signs of ACPI, so it must be enabled permanently. The board is of a recent enough vintage, to have a good ACPI implementation. http://support.packardbell.com/globa...platform_ibiza If you disable "Full Screen Logo" as shown here, you'll be able to see more text fly by as the computer is starting. Do a "Save and Exit" to save the change you made to the BIOS. Then, the computer should start again. http://common.packardbell.com/itemnr...nf4/BIOS11.gif The next time the computer starts, you'll see some initial text, instead of the logo screen. Maybe you'll even see a BIOS ID string with release number. Press the "pause" key to hold the text screen for a moment, then press another key to let the boot process continue. These could be the BIOS updates. While there are four lines of text here, they're not all for the same product! I think your machine is Mexico NF4, and there is only the one release number of 1.0J. Maybe when you see a BIOS ID string on the screen, you'll be able to see the BIOS is already at revision 1.0J. http://support.packardbell.com/globa...m_ibiza&t=2006 Mexico NF4 BIOS Update for SmartTV 10J Windows XP 20-06-2007 Warning: Using an incorrect BIOS version might cause system failures. Do not install this software unless you are certain that it has been designed for your motherboard. So tell us, just exactly what the computer looks like. For example, maybe somebody could buy a left-over OEM GA-8I945PM-RH from axiontech and slap it into a generic computer case. In which case, that would leave you very confused. If it is a Packard Bell branded computer or "SmartTV", maybe you can give some details. In any case, don't flash it quite yet. Paul > > "Paul" wrote: > >> LoganYoung wrote: >>> So what you're saying is that there's a setting I can change in my bios >>> that'll sort out the ACPI non-compliance and then I just have to re-install >>> Windows? >>> >>> I fully intend to update my BIOS, but there's a little issue about getting >>> the update installed as I don't have a 3.5" floppy drive installed in the box >>> or disks to use... >>> >>> I did check the Device Manager and it does say something like "Standard >>> Computer" >>> I'll have my brother look around in the BIOS to see if he can find the >>> ACPI2.0 setting if it exists. >>> >> "Standard PC" means you don't have a working ACPI at the moment. >> >> To summarize: >> >> 1) There is (usually) a setting in the BIOS with "ACPI" in the name. >> Sometimes it allows a setting of version 1 or 2, which are versions of >> the standard. Try setting it to version 2.0, or at least >> ascertain that some kind of ACPI is enabled. Try your install again, >> and either verify the F5 HAL selection now allows ACPI, or complete >> the installation and verify the Computer entry in Device Manager >> now has ACPI in the Properties name. >> >> To make standby work, while you're there, you can look for a setting >> for standby. It should include "S3" at least, because "S3" is the >> name of the Standby Suspend To RAM state. That is the state that >> allows all the fans to go off, but keeps the state of your computer >> session stored in system RAM. You can wake the computer and pick up where >> you left off. That won't work, if ACPI isn't working. S3 is part >> of ACPI. Finding and fixing that isn't absolutely essential, but >> is all part of setting up the computer properly. (It means less >> work to do with "dumppo.exe" at some date in the future. Nicer to >> get it right the first time.) >> >> The ACPI technical site is here, but this isn't meant to help end users. >> >> http://www.acpi.info/ >> >> 2) Even if the BIOS setting is present, it can be broken. If you >> try an install, after setting up what appears to be a valid ACPI >> setting, and you're still not getting an ACPI install, it could be >> a BIOS issue. A motherboard that might have an issue, might be >> say seven years old. The more modern a motherboard gets, the less >> likely the BIOS contains a broken ACPI implementation. If you suspect >> the BIOS is broken, and is preventing the OS install from working properly, >> then you would go looking for a different version of that BIOS. I >> would not do that, unless all other possibilities had been exhausted. >> >> HTH, >> Paul >> . >> |
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