modem question and modem string wanted

Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same
time?

I have a dual boot system.

98se and xp.

98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx
cirrus logic)

Windows xp does not.

However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card.
I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will
recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick


As far as the string wanted

For 98se
What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection
speed, not the port speed.


Greg

Greg wrote:
> modem question and modem string wanted
>
> Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same
> time?
>
> I have a dual boot system.
>
> 98se and xp.
>
> 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx
> cirrus logic)
>
> Windows xp does not.
>
> However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card.
> I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will
> recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick
>
>
> As far as the string wanted
>
> For 98se
> What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection
> speed, not the port speed.
>
>
> Greg



XP should work with a standard ISA modem

the built-in "genric" drive should work

It may be an IRQ conflict

have a look in the control panel...
and if there is a conflict...try re-assigning the resources.

It may be a bit of trial and error but within a try or two
you should resolve the conflict

(if there is one)

Greg wrote:

(...)

You have a motherboard with ISA slots. You are running XP on said
computer.

You are indicating that you have internet access via dial-up modem.

You are one hurting unit.

Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured this
decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.

98 Guy wrote:
> Greg wrote:
>
> (...)
>
> You have a motherboard with ISA slots. You are running XP on said
> computer.
>
> You are indicating that you have internet access via dial-up modem.
>
> You are one hurting unit.
>
> Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured this
> decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.

As evidenced recently some of our more rural cousins do not have the
luxury of broadband access.

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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:16:20 -0500, 98 Guy <98@Guy.com> wrote:

>Greg wrote:
>
>(...)
>
>You have a motherboard with ISA slots. You are running XP on said
>computer.
>
>You are indicating that you have internet access via dial-up modem.
>
>You are one hurting unit.
>
>Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured this
>decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.


My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory, because of tech broke
one the plastic plug. It can only handle 256 mb stick at the most.
The stick order does not matter, from what I have read.

My computer was a business system built by Compaq and was giving to
me, when the business upgraded to xp.

However, this system has 2 isa slots. 5 pci slots
2 on board 1.1 USB slot

1 pci slot is using a ragepro pci graphic card.
1 pci slot is using a usb 2.0 pci card
1 pci slot is for a pci modem that went bad I order another one.
1 pci using is used for a Network Adapter
1 pcl slot empty (This maybe a AGP slot, not sure)
1 ISA slot is used for an E1868 ISA sound card
1 ISA slot is used for an cl-md56xx cirrus modem currently.
5 bay drive (Never could get a second hard drive or a second cd drive
to work correctly).


I have been running xp and 98se for a long while.

Xp is a little slow, but that because of my memory. That does not
bug me. I am used to slow systems.

As far is getting a computer, do you want to send me $500.00 walmart
gift card? I am kidding of course. I will be glad to get a
computer if you did that. I still would have to buy a USB modem and
install a floppy drive.


My system I would love to have
Would be W7 (I hate the new desktop and start menu, that is a turn
off) or Vista
With a floppy drive, DVD/cdrw burner drive

Access to the Bios menu needed. So, I can choose the boot order.

One site said xp does not have ISA bus. If that was the case, my
ISA sound card wouldn't work.

The only reason I got xp, is so I can use flash to pay my bills.



Greg

GbH wrote:

> > Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured this
> > decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.
>
> As evidenced recently some of our more rural cousins do not have
> the luxury of broadband access.

Evidence points to lack of spending $$$ and not necessarily lack of
broadband coverage, as indicated by running XP on ancient hardware.

Greg wrote:

> > Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured
> > this decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.
>
> My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory,

Even PC's made 10 years ago can handle 512 mb memory. Doesn't mean
their suitable for XP.

CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such
ancient hardware.

And you're only running with 256 mb to boot.

Like I said, do yourself a favor and get newer hardware.

And messing with modems these days is just nonsense.

> However, this system has 2 isa slots. 5 pci slots
> 2 on board 1.1 USB slot

Not even AGP?

And USB 1.1?

(shakes my head)

> Xp is a little slow, but that because of my memory.

Trust me. It's slow mainly because of your CPU.

If you had a P4 or even a Celeron running 2 or 3 ghz, then I'd say your
256 mb ram is the problem.

What do you have - a Pentium 1 running at 133 mhz? Maybe a P-2 running
at 250 mhz?

> As far is getting a computer, do you want to send me
> $500.00 walmart gift card? I am kidding of course.
> I will be glad to get a computer if you did that.

Go to one of those discount / surplus tech stores and pick up a
5-year-old HP or IBM PC that just came off lease from a call center for
$150.

> I still would have to buy a USB modem and

USB modem? (shakes head again)

> One site said xp does not have ISA bus.

XP can handle ISA bus cards just fine. Just don't expect hardware
auto-detection.

> The only reason I got xp, is so I can use flash to pay
> my bills.

Win-98 runs flash-9 no problem, and flash-10 if you know what you're
doing.

Adobe is still supporting flash-9.

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:42:36 -0500, 98 Guy <98@Guy.com> wrote:

>Greg wrote:
>
>> > Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured
>> > this decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.
>>
>> My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory,
>
>Even PC's made 10 years ago can handle 512 mb memory. Doesn't mean
>their suitable for XP.
>
>CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such
>ancient hardware.
>
>And you're only running with 256 mb to boot.
>

I am actual running with less memory than that. I am not much of a
gamer. I use it mainly for paying bills, newsgroups, forums,
shopping, TV guide (Titan.com)

My computer CPU is P3 running at 500 mhz

on the pci slots maybe be an AGP slot.



Greg

Greg wrote:
<Snip
> As far is getting a computer, do you want to send me $500.00 walmart
> gift card?
>
> Greg

Greg:

While I sympathize with your low cost philosophy ( I have several PI
~300 Mhz machines) $500 is gross overkill for a much more capable
system. Refurbished business class machines can be had for absurdly
low prices these days.

Look Here:

http://www.electrocomputerwarehouse....exd.asp?id=326

HTH & GL

John


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In message <4AF5F7DC.8D24D23D@Guy.com>, 98 Guy <98@Guy.com> writes:
>Greg wrote:
>
>> > Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured
>> > this decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.
>>
>> My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory,
>
>Even PC's made 10 years ago can handle 512 mb memory. Doesn't mean
>their suitable for XP.

Or that they're not.
>
>CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such
>ancient hardware.

Amount of RAM is far more important. I agree, 256M isn't really enough
for XP though, especially SP2 or 3.
>
>And you're only running with 256 mb to boot.
>
>Like I said, do yourself a favor and get newer hardware.
>
>And messing with modems these days is just nonsense.

Well a lot of the web does seem to assume you have BB, yes. For just
email and text newsgroups, provided no idiot sends you a huge
attachment, it's OK.
>
>> However, this system has 2 isa slots. 5 pci slots
>> 2 on board 1.1 USB slot
>
>Not even AGP?

You don't need AGP. (Or even PCI, though I don't know if XP knows about
ISA when it comes to graphics cards.)
[]
>> I still would have to buy a USB modem and
>
>USB modem? (shakes head again)

Most desktop machines have a serial port (unless you only have one and
the mouse is in it!).
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:31:04 -0500, Greg <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:42:36 -0500, 98 Guy <98@Guy.com> wrote:
>
> >Greg wrote:
> >
> >> > Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured
> >> > this decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.
> >>
> >> My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory,
> >
> >Even PC's made 10 years ago can handle 512 mb memory. Doesn't mean
> >their suitable for XP.
> >
> >CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such
> >ancient hardware.
> >
> >And you're only running with 256 mb to boot.
> >
>
> I am actual running with less memory than that. I am not much of a
> gamer. I use it mainly for paying bills, newsgroups, forums,
> shopping, TV guide (Titan.com)


If you have less than 256MB, you have less RAM than most people need
for adequate performance. But you reinforce the view that how much
memory you need depends on what apps you run.

--
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Greg wrote:
> modem question and modem string wanted
>
> Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same
> time?
>
> I have a dual boot system.
>
> 98se and xp.

Sure, note that both will take a comm port, so it would be best to
disable any onboard comm ports via BIOS. You may have conflicts which
might take some manual configuration in 9X.

>
> 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx
> cirrus logic)
>
> Windows xp does not.
>
> However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card.
> I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will
> recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick
>
>
> As far as the string wanted
>
> For 98se
> What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection
> speed, not the port speed.
>
>
> Greg

ISA isn't directly addressed in XP, and the modem may not "talk"
properly to XP for it to be installed [requiring XP drivers]. If you're
interested look for how to get ISA to work properly, and for an XP
driver for the ISA modem. Note, however, that this modem doesn't seem to
work in XP [or well from what I have found], its a softmodem.

The cl-md56xx Cirrus modem is an EARLY implementation of a Win-modem
[controllerless] meaning it is a SOFTWARE modem [and works better with
the 6.04 or later firmware upgrade, and many were under product
recall]. It also uses Cirrus Logic's special set of AT commands, so
standard Hayes commands may not work properly.

Command Output

AT i1 Reports the modem chip firmware revision.

AT i3 Reports the chipset name.

AT i7 Gives the version of the board manufacturer firmware.

AT i21 Gives the Cirrus Logic firmware revision.

AT i22 Gives the Cirrus Logic manufacturer name.

AT i23 Gives the Cirrus Logic product model.

AT +GMI? Identifies the modem manufacturer.

AT +GMM? Identifies the product model.

AT +GMR? Identifies the product revision.

AT&V may provide some information of commands available

Ln - Speaker Volume
The modem sets the speaker volume control according to the parameter
supplied. The parameter value, if valid, is written to S22 bits 0 and 1.
L0
Low volume.
L1
Low volume. (Default.)
L2
Medium volume.
L3
High volume.
Result Codes:

OK n = 0 to 3.
ERROR Otherwise.

Mn - Speaker Control
This command selects when the speaker will be on or off. The parameter
value, if valid, is written to S22 bits 2 and 3.
M0
Speaker is always off.
M1
Speaker is on during call establishment, but off when receiving carrier.
(Default.)
M2
Speaker is always on.
M3
Speaker is off when receiving carrier and during dialing, but on during
answering.
Result Codes:

OK n = 0 to 3.
ERROR Otherwise.
[from a discussion on the particular modem]


Xn - Extended Result Codes:
This command selects which subset of the result messages will be used by
the modem to inform the DTE of the results of commands.
Blind dialling is enabled or disabled by country parameters. If the user
wishes to enforce dial tone detection, a "W" can be placed in the dial
string (see D command). Note that the information below is based upon
the default implementation of the X results table. Table 3-1 indicates
the messages which are enabled for each X value.
If the modem is in facsimile mode (+FCLASS=1 or 2), the only message
sent to indicate a connection is CONNECT without a speed indication.
X0
Disables monitoring of busy tones unless forced otherwise by country
requirements; send only OK, CONNECT, RING, NO CARRIER, ERROR, and NO
ANSWER result codes. Blind dialling enabled/disabled by country
parameters. If busy tone detection is enforced and busy tone is
detected, NO CARRIER will be reported. If dial tone detection is
enforced or selected and dial tone is not detected, NO CARRIER will be
reported instead of NO DIAL TONE. The value 000b is written to S22 bits
6, 5, and 4, respectively.
X1
Disables monitoring of busy tones unless forced otherwise by country
requirements; send only OK, CONNECT, RING, NO CARRIER, ERROR, NO ANSWER,
and CONNECT XXXX (XXXX = rate). Blind dialling enabled/disabled by
country parameters. If busy tone detection is enforced and busy tone is
detected, NO CARRIER will be reported instead of BUSY. If dial tone
detection is enforced or selected and dial tone is not detected, NO
CARRIER will be reported instead of NO DIAL TONE. The value 100b is
written to S22 bits 6, 5, and 4, respectively.
X2
Disables monitoring of busy tones unless forced otherwise by country
requirements; send only OK, CONNECT, RING, NO CARRIER, ERROR, NO
DIALTONE, NO ANSWER, and CONNECT XXXX. If busy tone detection is
enforced and busy tone is detected, NO CARRIER will be reported instead
of BUSY. If dial tone detection is enforced or selected and dial tone is
not detected, NO DIAL TONE will be reported instead of NO CARRIER . The
value 101b is written to S22 bits 6, 5, and 4, respectively.
X3
Enables monitoring of busy tones; send only OK, CONNECT, RING, NO
CARRIER, ERROR, NO ANSWER, and CONNECT XXXX. Blind dialling
enabled/disabled by country parameters. If dial tone detection is
enforced and dial tone is not detected, NO CARRIER will be reported. The
value 110b is written to S22 bits 6, 5, and 4, respectively.
X4
Enables monitoring of busy tones; send all messages. The value 111b is
written to S22 bits 6, 5, and 4, respectively. (Default.)
Result Codes:

OK n = 0 to 4.
ERROR Otherwise.
Table 3-1. Result Codes

Short Form Long Form | n Value in ATXn Command
------------------------------+-----------------------------------
0 1 2 3 4
0 OK x x x x x
1 CONNECT x x x x x
2 RING x x x x x
3 NO CARRIER x x x x x
4 ERROR x x x x x
5 CONNECT 1200 1 x x x x
6 NO DIALTONE 3 3 x x x
7 BUSY 3 3 3 x x
8 NO ANSWER x x x x x
9 CONNECT 0600 1 x x x x
10 CONNECT 2400 1 x x x x
11 CONNECT 4800 1 x x x x
12 CONNECT 9600 1 x x x x
13 CONNECT 7200 1 x x x x
14 CONNECT 12000 1 x x x x
15 CONNECT 14400 1 x x x x
16 CONNECT 19200 1 x x x x
17 CONNECT 38400 1 x x x x
18 CONNECT 57600 1 x x x x
22 CONNECT 1200TX/75RX 1 x x x x
23 CONNECT 75TX/1200RX 1 x x x x
24 DELAYED 4 4 4 4 x
32 BLACKLISTED 4 4 4 4 x
40 CARRIER 300 x
44 CARRIER 1200/75 x
45 CARRIER 75/1200 x
46 CARRIER 1200 x
47 CARRIER 2400 x
48 CARRIER 4800 x
49 CARRIER 7200 x
50 CARRIER 9600 x
51 CARRIER 12000 x
52 CARRIER 14400 x
66 COMPRESSION: CLASS 5 x
67 COMPRESSION: V.42 bis x
69 COMPRESSION: NONE x
76 PROTOCOL: NONE x
77 PROTOCOL: LAPM x
80 PROTOCOL: ALT x
81 PROTOCOL: ALT-CELLULAR x
33 FAX x x x x x
+F4 +FCERROR x x x x x
35 DATA x x x x x

Note: An 'X' in a column indicates that the message (either the long
form if verbose, or the value only for short form) will be generated
when that particular value of 'n' (shown at the top of the column)
has been selected by the use of ATXn. If the column is blank, then
no message will be generated for that X option. A numeral indicates
which less explicit message (verbose or short form) will be output
[from Rockwell/Hayes command set information]

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Greg <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in
news:7llhakF3dkb0oU1@mid.individual.net:

<SNIP>

> The only reason I got xp, is so I can use flash to pay my
> bills.

I believe javascript is used for such transactions, and not
always - I can use PayPal with the OffByOne browser which does
not do either javascript or flash.

Opera10USB runs flash9 perfectly on 98SE. AND javascript.


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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 03:32:34 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid
<waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote:

>Greg <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in
>news:7llhakF3dkb0oU1@mid.individual.net:
>
><SNIP>
>
>> The only reason I got xp, is so I can use flash to pay my
>> bills.
>
>I believe javascript is used for such transactions, and not
>always - I can use PayPal with the OffByOne browser which does
>not do either javascript or flash.
>
>Opera10USB runs flash9 perfectly on 98SE. AND javascript.


I read paypal is/was going to restrict browsers and some operating
systems. It caused Versign to issue a greenbrowers plug in for
firefox. I think paypal delayed because of the Linux and Mac crowd.
It would cause major problems with them.


Greg

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:14:45 -0500, MEB <MEB-not-here********.com>
wrote:

>
>Greg wrote:
>> modem question and modem string wanted
>>
>> Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same
>> time?
>>
>> I have a dual boot system.
>>
>> 98se and xp.
>
> Sure, note that both will take a comm port, so it would be best to
>disable any onboard comm ports via BIOS. You may have conflicts which
>might take some manual configuration in 9X.
>
>>
>> 98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx
>> cirrus logic)
>>
>> Windows xp does not.
>>
>> However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card.
>> I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will
>> recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick
>>
>>
>> As far as the string wanted
>>
>> For 98se
>> What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection
>> speed, not the port speed.
>>
>>
>> Greg
>
> ISA isn't directly addressed in XP, and the modem may not "talk"
>properly to XP for it to be installed [requiring XP drivers]. If you're
>interested look for how to get ISA to work properly, and for an XP
>driver for the ISA modem. Note, however, that this modem doesn't seem to
>work in XP [or well from what I have found], its a softmodem.
>
> The cl-md56xx Cirrus modem is an EARLY implementation of a Win-modem
>[controllerless] meaning it is a SOFTWARE modem [and works better with
>the 6.04 or later firmware upgrade, and many were under product
>recall]. It also uses Cirrus Logic's special set of AT commands, so
>standard Hayes commands may not work properly.
>

I just ordered a modem again. This time, I made sure it would have
drivers for both 98se and xp.

I think the only way xp would recognize it, is to do a reinstall or
repair install of xp.


I think you might be write about the com ports.

98se
Com port 1 (Maybe the mouse)
Com port 2 (ISA modem)
Com port 3 (maybe it was used for the old pci modem)

Xp
Com port 1 (Maybe the mouse)
Com port 2 (Unknown)

AT+M0,S22 (Put this in the extra modem settings)

I think the S code forces to show the connection speed, not the port
speed. Not sure if I remember if that is correct.




To all,
Does it hurt to have an ISA modem and a PCI modem installed at the
same time? I would like to keep it installed for Puppy Linux.





Greg