There was a time when users had an antivirus and an antispyware. Do
you think antivirus programs TODAY cover both things?

I used to have Spybot and then Lavasoft (Ad-Aware). They were okay
although they never found anything. When I upgraded my Kaspersky this
April, it FORCED me to remove these two spywares and all their
remnants.

If it's helpful to have an "antispyware" program, what do you
recommend?

Richard Fangnail wrote:
> There was a time when users had an antivirus and an antispyware. Do
> you think antivirus programs TODAY cover both things?

Of course not! Spyware isn't virus. Virus isn't spyware. However,
they both are malware.

Many unfortunates are throwing good money at antimalware suites.
Pity. One can hope you will see through this as an unwise escape.

> I used to have Spybot and then Lavasoft (Ad-Aware). They were okay
> although they never found anything. When I upgraded my Kaspersky this
> April, it FORCED me to remove these two antispywares and all their
> remnants.

That's most unfortunate. The very best antimalware comes in the form
of different applications.

> If it's helpful to have an "antispyware" program, what do you
> recommend?

Lurk the malware newsgroups and you will soon find the answer.
However, I have a liking for MBAM & SAS. Other excellent products are
available.

Regards,

Pete
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is not classified and Spyware or a Virus

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"Richard Fangnail" <richardfangnail@excite.com> wrote in message
news:88acdf00-9e7d-4098-92ff-daf7ac80ce18@y10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> There was a time when users had an antivirus and an antispyware. Do
> you think antivirus programs TODAY cover both things?
>
> I used to have Spybot and then Lavasoft (Ad-Aware). They were okay
> although they never found anything. When I upgraded my Kaspersky this
> April, it FORCED me to remove these two spywares and all their
> remnants.
>
> If it's helpful to have an "antispyware" program, what do you
> recommend?

I stopped using Spybot a few years ago because somebody ran tests on
it and it hardly found the spywares.
Ad-Aware seemed okay but I hated the interface.

Apparently Windows Defender is hard to download as it requires a
license and other things.

Do you have an opinion on Microsoft's Malicious Software thing that is
released every month?

Kaspersky with find both types but I suggest you also select "Other Malware"
in Kapersky's Threats & Exclusions / Threats settings to extend coverage.

But, as others suggest, it is a good idea to have a couple of antispyware
apps. Superantispyware and Malware Bytes, are both excellent and will run
without problems with Kaspersky.

"1PW" wrote:

> Richard Fangnail wrote:
> > There was a time when users had an antivirus and an antispyware. Do
> > you think antivirus programs TODAY cover both things?
>
> Of course not! Spyware isn't virus. Virus isn't spyware. However,
> they both are malware.
>
> Many unfortunates are throwing good money at antimalware suites.
> Pity. One can hope you will see through this as an unwise escape.
>
> > I used to have Spybot and then Lavasoft (Ad-Aware). They were okay
> > although they never found anything. When I upgraded my Kaspersky this
> > April, it FORCED me to remove these two antispywares and all their
> > remnants.
>
> That's most unfortunate. The very best antimalware comes in the form
> of different applications.
>
> > If it's helpful to have an "antispyware" program, what do you
> > recommend?
>
> Lurk the malware newsgroups and you will soon find the answer.
> However, I have a liking for MBAM & SAS. Other excellent products are
> available.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pete
> --
> 1PW @?6A62?FEH9:DE=6o2@=]4@> [r4o7t]
>

Correction - Kaspersky WILL find ....

"John A" wrote:

> Kaspersky with find both types but I suggest you also select "Other Malware"
> in Kapersky's Threats & Exclusions / Threats settings to extend coverage.
>
> But, as others suggest, it is a good idea to have a couple of antispyware
> apps. Superantispyware and Malware Bytes, are both excellent and will run
> without problems with Kaspersky.
>
> "1PW" wrote:
>
> > Richard Fangnail wrote:
> > > There was a time when users had an antivirus and an antispyware. Do
> > > you think antivirus programs TODAY cover both things?
> >
> > Of course not! Spyware isn't virus. Virus isn't spyware. However,
> > they both are malware.
> >
> > Many unfortunates are throwing good money at antimalware suites.
> > Pity. One can hope you will see through this as an unwise escape.
> >
> > > I used to have Spybot and then Lavasoft (Ad-Aware). They were okay
> > > although they never found anything. When I upgraded my Kaspersky this
> > > April, it FORCED me to remove these two antispywares and all their
> > > remnants.
> >
> > That's most unfortunate. The very best antimalware comes in the form
> > of different applications.
> >
> > > If it's helpful to have an "antispyware" program, what do you
> > > recommend?
> >
> > Lurk the malware newsgroups and you will soon find the answer.
> > However, I have a liking for MBAM & SAS. Other excellent products are
> > available.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Pete
> > --
> > 1PW @?6A62?FEH9:DE=6o2@=]4@> [r4o7t]
> >

On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:55:27 -0700 (PDT), Richard Fangnail
<richardfangnail@excite.com> wrote:

> There was a time when users had an antivirus and an antispyware. Do
> you think antivirus programs TODAY cover both things?


No they don't.


> I used to have Spybot and then Lavasoft (Ad-Aware). They were okay
> although they never found anything. When I upgraded my Kaspersky this
> April, it FORCED me to remove these two spywares and all their
> remnants.
>
> If it's helpful to have an "antispyware" program, what do you
> recommend?


It's more than helpful; it's practically required.

Two points:

1. The best free anti-spyware program, and it's excellent, is
Anti-Malware, by MalwareBytes. Get it at
http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam.php

2. In my view, no anti-spyware program is perfect, so no single
anti-spyware program is sufficient for protection. You should run at
least two. The second best is SuperAntiSpyware. Get it at
http://www.superantispyware.com/

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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

>On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:55:27 -0700 (PDT), Richard Fangnail
><richardfangnail@excite.com> wrote:
>
>> There was a time when users had an antivirus and an antispyware. Do
>> you think antivirus programs TODAY cover both things?
>
>
>No they don't.
>
>
>> I used to have Spybot and then Lavasoft (Ad-Aware). They were okay
>> although they never found anything. When I upgraded my Kaspersky this
>> April, it FORCED me to remove these two spywares and all their
>> remnants.
>>
>> If it's helpful to have an "antispyware" program, what do you
>> recommend?
>
>
>It's more than helpful; it's practically required.
>
>Two points:
>
>1. The best free anti-spyware program, and it's excellent, is
>Anti-Malware, by MalwareBytes. Get it at
>http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam.php
>
>2. In my view, no anti-spyware program is perfect, so no single
>anti-spyware program is sufficient for protection. You should run at
>least two. The second best is SuperAntiSpyware. Get it at
>http://www.superantispyware.com/

Both products look interesting. Is there any significant performance hit
to pay for the constant scanning or monitoring by using these
concurrently?

I recently updated SpybotS/D and AddAware to accompany nod32. I'm saddened
to read in this thread that both are of compromised quality.

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"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:55:27 -0700 (PDT), Richard Fangnail
> <richardfangnail@excite.com> wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> 1. The best free anti-spyware program, and it's excellent, is
> Anti-Malware, by MalwareBytes. Get it at
> http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam.php


Be careful if you google for MalwareBytes, as the top entry that is returned
is for another supposedly rogue spyware application called MalwareRemover
Pro (or something like that). I am at work now and that site is blocked, so
I cannot confirm the name.

Make sure that you download the one from the site Ken has listed above.
There are 2 versions: a free one and a more comprehensive paid one. Select
the one you want.

Martin

"Martin C" <martinC@invalid.com> wrote:

>Be careful if you google for MalwareBytes, as the top entry that is returned
>is for another supposedly rogue spyware application called MalwareRemover
>Pro (or something like that). I am at work now and that site is blocked, so
>I cannot confirm the name.

You are smoking something illegal. The top entry in either Google or
Bing is the correct site.

In Google, at least the top 10 are correct.

Richard Fangnail wrote:
> I stopped using Spybot a few years ago because somebody ran tests on
> it and it hardly found the spywares.
> Ad-Aware seemed okay but I hated the interface.

Things change.

Spybot-S&D is still well regarded by many. I'm afraid it's Ad-Aware
that's losing its followers right now.

> Apparently Windows Defender is hard to download as it requires a
> license and other things.

I'm afraid your information is erroneous. It won't give a spec of
trouble if you have a clean and legal system. Windows Defender
/itself/ requires no special licensing other than the usual agreements
we all agree to as we install applications.

> Do you have an opinion on Microsoft's Malicious Software thing that is
> released every month?

MRT.exe /is/ very limited in scope. However, what it does do, it does
well enough for many. However, MBAM & SAS, and good reputation
antivirus applications, overshadow MRT by a long shot.

You would do well to lurk the malware newsgroups for a while and get
updated. Much may have changed since you last looked at malware.

Warm regards,

Pete
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Ed Jay wrote:

> Both products look interesting. Is there any significant performance hit
> to pay for the constant scanning or monitoring by using these
> concurrently?

Hello Ed:

Your question forces a complicated answer. If the freeware versions
only are used, their footprint can be quite small even on a resource
starved system.

When you upgrade to the paid versions, realtime protection comes with
a small price to pay in resources. On a newer system with good
resources, the load will probably not even be noticed. Of course your
safety and spyware protection has then increased by many fold.

Coupled with timely OS & application updates, a good up to date
antivirus application, a NAT router, and safe internet practices,
your system stands a much better chance of keeping safe.

HTH

Pete
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"Nate Grossman" <nategrossmann@stvryn.com> wrote in message
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> "Martin C" <martinC@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>Be careful if you google for MalwareBytes, as the top entry that is
>>returned
>>is for another supposedly rogue spyware application called MalwareRemover
>>Pro (or something like that). I am at work now and that site is blocked,
>>so
>>I cannot confirm the name.
>
> You are smoking something illegal. The top entry in either Google or
> Bing is the correct site.
>
> In Google, at least the top 10 are correct.

I agree with Martin- by Googling "malwarebytes", the first link of the
5,840,000 hits is to malwaree.org/anti-malware (NOT the one you want). The
rest of the page appears to be valid links.

SC Tom

Richard Fangnail wrote:
> I stopped using Spybot a few years ago because somebody ran tests on
> it and it hardly found the spywares.
> Ad-Aware seemed okay but I hated the interface.
>
> Apparently Windows Defender is hard to download as it requires a
> license and other things.

Downloading Windows defender is no more difficult to download than any
other program that's available on the internet. The only difference is
that before the download starts, it runs an activex applet to ensure
that you have a legitimate installation of Windows. So unless you're
using a pirated copy of Windows, you won't have any problems.


--

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Windows XP Pro

1PW wrote:

>Ed Jay wrote:
>
>> Both products look interesting. Is there any significant performance hit
>> to pay for the constant scanning or monitoring by using these
>> concurrently?
>
>Hello Ed:
>
>Your question forces a complicated answer. If the freeware versions
>only are used, their footprint can be quite small even on a resource
>starved system.
>
>When you upgrade to the paid versions, realtime protection comes with
>a small price to pay in resources. On a newer system with good
>resources, the load will probably not even be noticed. Of course your
>safety and spyware protection has then increased by many fold.
>
>Coupled with timely OS & application updates, a good up to date
>antivirus application, a NAT router, and safe internet practices,
>your system stands a much better chance of keeping safe.
>
>HTH
>
It does help. Thank you.

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