Just tried Linux for the first and last time. How can they sell this
bloated crap is beyond reason. Is Linux tested before they release it?
None of my MP3 files would play. I could not used my DVD player either. I
looked on the web and found that this is a common problem with some
dubious solutions all of which involved many many updates to my system
which is nice except that I could not update my system because the
mechanism that updates the system, Zen, was broken as well!
I gave up and Ghosted Windows xp back on to my system.
If this is an example of Linux's finest to put in the ring against
Microsoft's Vista, then Microsoft is going to absolutely destroy Linux.
Linux needs less versions and more testing.

Asstroturfer Ken Johnson flatly wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:

> J

Don't listen to windopz zealot like 'Ken Johnson'
or you too would become a dumbo like him.

The fact of the matter is micoshaft have signalled they
are abandoning windopz users by distributing SuSE Linux
and seeking more Linux vendors to enter into partnership.

Why is that?
More than 75% of all new projects in major corporations is
now open source and Linux orientated. At this rate there
will be no demand for windopz products in 5 to 10 years time
hence they paid $300 million+ to Novel to distribute their
SuSE Linux.

So you see, windopz sys admins are now being instructed
all around the globe in major corporations to work with
Linux sys admins and learn and adapt.

The quickest way to learn is to boot up some
free Linux liveCDs from here
http://www.livecdlist.com
and meet the power of Linux running off of CDs
without having to install. e.g. knoppix, dsl, mepis etc..
Its quicker at networking and safer at browsing
than any windopz OS and software.

Secure your future by learning Linux now
and avoid listening to windopz zealotic bums ranting
anti-linux messages all day who get paid to
rant in forums on behalf of micoshaft corporation.

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:01:58 +0000, 7 wrote:

> Asstroturfer Ken Johnson flatly wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:
>
>> J
>
> Don't listen to windopz zealot like 'Ken Johnson'
> or you too would become a dumbo like him.
>
> The fact of the matter is micoshaft have signalled they
> are abandoning windopz users by distributing SuSE Linux
> and seeking more Linux vendors to enter into partnership.
>
> Why is that?
> More than 75% of all new projects in major corporations is
> now open source and Linux orientated. At this rate there
> will be no demand for windopz products in 5 to 10 years time
> hence they paid $300 million+ to Novel to distribute their
> SuSE Linux.
>
> So you see, windopz sys admins are now being instructed
> all around the globe in major corporations to work with
> Linux sys admins and learn and adapt.
>
> The quickest way to learn is to boot up some
> free Linux liveCDs from here
> http://www.livecdlist.com
> and meet the power of Linux running off of CDs
> without having to install. e.g. knoppix, dsl, mepis etc..
> Its quicker at networking and safer at browsing
> than any windopz OS and software.
>
> Secure your future by learning Linux now
> and avoid listening to windopz zealotic bums ranting
> anti-linux messages all day who get paid to
> rant in forums on behalf of micoshaft corporation.


Hire the "Mentally Challenged Linux Zealots".
They're fun to watch!

i run a dual boot linux-windows machine. have no problems with the linux. use
it most of the time.
there are some hardware issues but i have always been able to find a fix.
everything works for me.
keep the windows , mainly to help friends who have problems and need help.
as limited as i am in helping them. i come here for answers. thanks

"flatfish+++" wrote:

> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:01:58 +0000, 7 wrote:
>
> > Asstroturfer Ken Johnson flatly wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:
> >
> >> J
> >
> > Don't listen to windopz zealot like 'Ken Johnson'
> > or you too would become a dumbo like him.
> >
> > The fact of the matter is micoshaft have signalled they
> > are abandoning windopz users by distributing SuSE Linux
> > and seeking more Linux vendors to enter into partnership.
> >
> > Why is that?
> > More than 75% of all new projects in major corporations is
> > now open source and Linux orientated. At this rate there
> > will be no demand for windopz products in 5 to 10 years time
> > hence they paid $300 million+ to Novel to distribute their
> > SuSE Linux.
> >
> > So you see, windopz sys admins are now being instructed
> > all around the globe in major corporations to work with
> > Linux sys admins and learn and adapt.
> >
> > The quickest way to learn is to boot up some
> > free Linux liveCDs from here
> > http://www.livecdlist.com
> > and meet the power of Linux running off of CDs
> > without having to install. e.g. knoppix, dsl, mepis etc..
> > Its quicker at networking and safer at browsing
> > than any windopz OS and software.
> >
> > Secure your future by learning Linux now
> > and avoid listening to windopz zealotic bums ranting
> > anti-linux messages all day who get paid to
> > rant in forums on behalf of micoshaft corporation.
>
>
> Hire the "Mentally Challenged Linux Zealots".
> They're fun to watch!
>
>
>
>
>

Ken Johnson wrote:

>Just tried Linux for the first

Lying troll.

*plonk*

The racist, liar and software thief Ken Johnson (flatfish) nymshifted:

< snip flatfish droppings >

Hi Gary. Long time no see
--
This about sums it. Forget anything that idiot writes. It is garbage

i run a dual boot linux-windows machine. have no problems with the linux. use
it most of the time.
there are some hardware issues but i have always been able to find a fix.
everything works for me.
keep the windows , mainly to help friends who have problems and need help.
as limited as i am in helping them. i come here for answers. thanks

"flatfish+++" wrote:

> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:01:58 +0000, 7 wrote:
>
> > Asstroturfer Ken Johnson flatly wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:
> >
> >> J
> >
> > Don't listen to windopz zealot like 'Ken Johnson'
> > or you too would become a dumbo like him.
> >
> > The fact of the matter is micoshaft have signalled they
> > are abandoning windopz users by distributing SuSE Linux
> > and seeking more Linux vendors to enter into partnership.
> >
> > Why is that?
> > More than 75% of all new projects in major corporations is
> > now open source and Linux orientated. At this rate there
> > will be no demand for windopz products in 5 to 10 years time
> > hence they paid $300 million+ to Novel to distribute their
> > SuSE Linux.
> >
> > So you see, windopz sys admins are now being instructed
> > all around the globe in major corporations to work with
> > Linux sys admins and learn and adapt.
> >
> > The quickest way to learn is to boot up some
> > free Linux liveCDs from here
> > http://www.livecdlist.com
> > and meet the power of Linux running off of CDs
> > without having to install. e.g. knoppix, dsl, mepis etc..
> > Its quicker at networking and safer at browsing
> > than any windopz OS and software.
> >
> > Secure your future by learning Linux now
> > and avoid listening to windopz zealotic bums ranting
> > anti-linux messages all day who get paid to
> > rant in forums on behalf of micoshaft corporation.
>
>
> Hire the "Mentally Challenged Linux Zealots".
> They're fun to watch!
>
>
>
>
>

Ken Johnson wrote:

>Just tried Linux for the first

Lying troll.

*plonk*

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ken Johnson
<Johnson.bellatort@kinkos3.com>
wrote
on Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:28:54 -0500
<ekpvp6$rmb$1@aioe.org>:

[snip vague and unsubstantiated crud]

Nice try. You'd get far better mileage though if you did the following.

[1] Version numbers.
[2] Specific hardware descriptions: RAM, disk drives, CPU,
mobo, scanners, audio cards, videos, etc.
[3] Specific examples of audios and videos that "do not work".
[4] A slightly less suspicious audience, who is well aware that
a number of trolls wander through here trying to FUD it up. :-)
[5] No crossposting to Microsoft newsgroups.

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Linux. Because vaporware only goes so far.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

The racist, liar and software thief Ken Johnson (flatfish) nymshifted:

< snip flatfish droppings >

Hi Gary. Long time no see
--
This about sums it. Forget anything that idiot writes. It is garbage

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ken Johnson
<Johnson.bellatort@kinkos3.com>
wrote
on Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:28:54 -0500
<ekpvp6$rmb$1@aioe.org>:

[snip vague and unsubstantiated crud]

Nice try. You'd get far better mileage though if you did the following.

[1] Version numbers.
[2] Specific hardware descriptions: RAM, disk drives, CPU,
mobo, scanners, audio cards, videos, etc.
[3] Specific examples of audios and videos that "do not work".
[4] A slightly less suspicious audience, who is well aware that
a number of trolls wander through here trying to FUD it up. :-)
[5] No crossposting to Microsoft newsgroups.

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Linux. Because vaporware only goes so far.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Ken Johnson wrote:
> Just tried Linux for the first and last time.
And exactly how many SECONDS did you ACTUALLY spend
USING Linux?

Did you install it on "Linux Ready Hardware"?
Did you purchase a commercial version and use the provided support?
Or did you download some freebie debian release in beta form, and try
to install and configure it with absolutely no help whatsoever.

> How can they sell this bloated crap is beyond reason.

Did you actually BUY something?

> Is Linux tested before they release it?
> None of my MP3 files would play.

Didn't have any problems playng MP3 on SUSE 10.0 or 10.1

> I could not used my DVD player either.

You gotta buy a commercial version for DVD. Has something to do with
licenses, DRM laws, and DMCA laws. You can download the drivers from
Norway, or you can PURCHASE a licensed and supported version. Again,
no problem playing Videos on SUSE 10.1.

> I looked on the web and found that this is a common problem with some
> dubious solutions all of which involved many many updates to my system
> which is nice except that I could not update my system because the
> mechanism that updates the system,

Gee, when I installed SUSE I just clicked one button, it gave me a list
of what I needed and I clicked another button and all of the updates
were installed. But then I bought that support contract.

> Zen, was broken as well!

Zen (a Novell Netware product)

or Xen (virtual machine that lets you run Windows on Linux)?

Xen isn't trivial to set-up, but you can follow the documentation
provided and get it set up in about 30-60 minutes - if you are willing
to accept a little help.

> I gave up and Ghosted Windows xp back on to my system.

So after spending 30 minutes installing Linux, 30 minutes getting the
updates, and 30 minutes trying in vain to find Windows Media Player -
you decided "linux Sucks" and
went back to Windows.

You've been using Windows for what - 15-20 years?
You've gotten help from 200-300 people over those 15 years?
You had coworkers and support people holding your hand for 15 years?

Then you give Linux 2 hours with absolutely no support from anyone
and decide "Linux Sucks"

I'm SO IMPRESSED by your EXPERT OPINION!

> If this is an example of Linux's finest to put in the ring against
> Microsoft's Vista,

Just from your complete lack of information, I can only assume
that you had absolutely NO ACTUAL EXPERIENCE USING DESKTOP LINUX!

You don't even qualify as a "flatfish" posting. At least Flatfish
provided
valuable information, like Which unsupported hardware was used.

> then Microsoft is going to absolutely destroy Linux.
> Linux needs less versions and more testing.

Before you are qualified to give ANY OPINION whatsoever, even in this
group:
You must use Linux as a Desktop machine at least 4 hours a day for 90
days.
This does NOT include time spent trying to INSTALL or CONFIGURE
Linux.
You much PURCHASE a commercially supportetd version of Linux, such as
SUSE 10.1
You much obtain SUPPORT from the provider, and at least one Linux
users who can
give you personal attention, or at least answer questions over the
telephone.

When you can demonstrate that you have met ALL of the qualifications,
you can make a legitimate comparison between Linux and Windows (any
version you like that is in actual GA).

Keep in mind that you are addressing a group of users who HAVE used
Linux EXTENSIVELY, and have ALSO used Windows versions from Windows 3.0
to
Windows XP. Many of the readers and posters in COLA have ALSO used
Vista.

These are people who have opinions which I consider informed and
qualified to make
comparisons. Some think that Vista is quite nice, but they think that
Windows XP
is better than SUSE 10.1, even though the applications included in SUSE
10.1 for $60
would cost nearly $6,000 to legally aquire and license for Windows XP
if one purchased the Microsoft counterparts.

We have way too many people who are willing to compare a Windows
machine loaded with $3000 worth of software to a Linux "live-CD" that
they downloaded from some anonymous mirror site.

We have way too many people who are willing to compare 2-10 hours of
Linux experience with 30,000 hours of Windows experience and offer
their "EXPERT OPINION".

As for myself, I have nearly 40,000 hours of experience with Windows
(more than I'd like),
and around 40,000 hours of UNIX and Linux experience. I can tell you
right now that in terms of the total overall blend of power,
flexibility, security, stability, reliability, performance, TCO, and
ROI, Linux is vastly superior to Windows XP. Most companies are
reporting a MINIMUM savings of 70% and many are reporting ACTUAL
savings as high as 95% compared to Windows in comparable environments.

Keep in mind that these savings come from the COMBINATION of all of the
advantages
described above. Microsoft has some carefully doctored benchmarks
based on
hypothetical assumptions which show a "Dragster" version of Windows
beating Linux in a benchmark published 5 years ago, when it was Windows
NT 4.0 with SP 4 against Red Hat with a Linux 1.2 kernel in a special
configuration involving 4 processors, 4 ethernets, and for SCSI drives
connected to 4 separate SCSI controllers, using test data in exact
multiples of 4096 kbytes (to optimize Linux clusters).

And of course, there is the TCO comparison in which a company who had
refused to hire anyone who even had Linux on their resume, and fired
anyone who tried to install Linux on a workstation, and then estimated
their costs based on full retraining of each employee in courses
costing $6,000 in tuition that would be taken during normal working
hours by workers who never work overtime. Talk about a rigged
benchmark!!

Ironically, most companies are now only interested in new employees who
have BOTH Linux and Windows on their resume. I would suggest you
prepare for the day when not having both could mean mandatory
retirement.

Rex

Ken Johnson wrote:
> Just tried Linux for the first and last time.
And exactly how many SECONDS did you ACTUALLY spend
USING Linux?

Did you install it on "Linux Ready Hardware"?
Did you purchase a commercial version and use the provided support?
Or did you download some freebie debian release in beta form, and try
to install and configure it with absolutely no help whatsoever.

> How can they sell this bloated crap is beyond reason.

Did you actually BUY something?

> Is Linux tested before they release it?
> None of my MP3 files would play.

Didn't have any problems playng MP3 on SUSE 10.0 or 10.1

> I could not used my DVD player either.

You gotta buy a commercial version for DVD. Has something to do with
licenses, DRM laws, and DMCA laws. You can download the drivers from
Norway, or you can PURCHASE a licensed and supported version. Again,
no problem playing Videos on SUSE 10.1.

> I looked on the web and found that this is a common problem with some
> dubious solutions all of which involved many many updates to my system
> which is nice except that I could not update my system because the
> mechanism that updates the system,

Gee, when I installed SUSE I just clicked one button, it gave me a list
of what I needed and I clicked another button and all of the updates
were installed. But then I bought that support contract.

> Zen, was broken as well!

Zen (a Novell Netware product)

or Xen (virtual machine that lets you run Windows on Linux)?

Xen isn't trivial to set-up, but you can follow the documentation
provided and get it set up in about 30-60 minutes - if you are willing
to accept a little help.

> I gave up and Ghosted Windows xp back on to my system.

So after spending 30 minutes installing Linux, 30 minutes getting the
updates, and 30 minutes trying in vain to find Windows Media Player -
you decided "linux Sucks" and
went back to Windows.

You've been using Windows for what - 15-20 years?
You've gotten help from 200-300 people over those 15 years?
You had coworkers and support people holding your hand for 15 years?

Then you give Linux 2 hours with absolutely no support from anyone
and decide "Linux Sucks"

I'm SO IMPRESSED by your EXPERT OPINION!

> If this is an example of Linux's finest to put in the ring against
> Microsoft's Vista,

Just from your complete lack of information, I can only assume
that you had absolutely NO ACTUAL EXPERIENCE USING DESKTOP LINUX!

You don't even qualify as a "flatfish" posting. At least Flatfish
provided
valuable information, like Which unsupported hardware was used.

> then Microsoft is going to absolutely destroy Linux.
> Linux needs less versions and more testing.

Before you are qualified to give ANY OPINION whatsoever, even in this
group:
You must use Linux as a Desktop machine at least 4 hours a day for 90
days.
This does NOT include time spent trying to INSTALL or CONFIGURE
Linux.
You much PURCHASE a commercially supportetd version of Linux, such as
SUSE 10.1
You much obtain SUPPORT from the provider, and at least one Linux
users who can
give you personal attention, or at least answer questions over the
telephone.

When you can demonstrate that you have met ALL of the qualifications,
you can make a legitimate comparison between Linux and Windows (any
version you like that is in actual GA).

Keep in mind that you are addressing a group of users who HAVE used
Linux EXTENSIVELY, and have ALSO used Windows versions from Windows 3.0
to
Windows XP. Many of the readers and posters in COLA have ALSO used
Vista.

These are people who have opinions which I consider informed and
qualified to make
comparisons. Some think that Vista is quite nice, but they think that
Windows XP
is better than SUSE 10.1, even though the applications included in SUSE
10.1 for $60
would cost nearly $6,000 to legally aquire and license for Windows XP
if one purchased the Microsoft counterparts.

We have way too many people who are willing to compare a Windows
machine loaded with $3000 worth of software to a Linux "live-CD" that
they downloaded from some anonymous mirror site.

We have way too many people who are willing to compare 2-10 hours of
Linux experience with 30,000 hours of Windows experience and offer
their "EXPERT OPINION".

As for myself, I have nearly 40,000 hours of experience with Windows
(more than I'd like),
and around 40,000 hours of UNIX and Linux experience. I can tell you
right now that in terms of the total overall blend of power,
flexibility, security, stability, reliability, performance, TCO, and
ROI, Linux is vastly superior to Windows XP. Most companies are
reporting a MINIMUM savings of 70% and many are reporting ACTUAL
savings as high as 95% compared to Windows in comparable environments.

Keep in mind that these savings come from the COMBINATION of all of the
advantages
described above. Microsoft has some carefully doctored benchmarks
based on
hypothetical assumptions which show a "Dragster" version of Windows
beating Linux in a benchmark published 5 years ago, when it was Windows
NT 4.0 with SP 4 against Red Hat with a Linux 1.2 kernel in a special
configuration involving 4 processors, 4 ethernets, and for SCSI drives
connected to 4 separate SCSI controllers, using test data in exact
multiples of 4096 kbytes (to optimize Linux clusters).

And of course, there is the TCO comparison in which a company who had
refused to hire anyone who even had Linux on their resume, and fired
anyone who tried to install Linux on a workstation, and then estimated
their costs based on full retraining of each employee in courses
costing $6,000 in tuition that would be taken during normal working
hours by workers who never work overtime. Talk about a rigged
benchmark!!

Ironically, most companies are now only interested in new employees who
have BOTH Linux and Windows on their resume. I would suggest you
prepare for the day when not having both could mean mandatory
retirement.

Rex

Ken Johnson schreef:
> Just tried Linux for the first and last time.

That's to bad, why don't you give it a try a second time. You have to do
this with Windows every month. ;-)

How can they sell this
> bloated crap is beyond reason.

They don't. We just give it away among all interested. I asume you are not.

Is Linux tested before they release it?

Every Open SOurce producte is probably tested with 17.000 testing
people. That's about three times more our Redmond collegues do.

> None of my MP3 files would play.

Of course not. Microsoft (or equivalents) has 'protected' that.

I could not used my DVD player either.

Same reason.

I looked on the web and found that this is a common problem with some
> dubious solutions all of which involved many many updates to my system
> which is nice except that I could not update my system because the
> mechanism that updates the system, Zen, was broken as well!
> I gave up and Ghosted Windows xp back on to my system.
> If this is an example of Linux's finest to put in the ring against
> Microsoft's Vista, then Microsoft is going to absolutely destroy Linux.
> Linux needs less versions and more testing.

You are absolutely right. That's why you can send us this message thru
defenitely a Linux message server.
>

Ken Johnson schreef:
> Just tried Linux for the first and last time.

That's to bad, why don't you give it a try a second time. You have to do
this with Windows every month. ;-)

How can they sell this
> bloated crap is beyond reason.

They don't. We just give it away among all interested. I asume you are not.

Is Linux tested before they release it?

Every Open SOurce producte is probably tested with 17.000 testing
people. That's about three times more our Redmond collegues do.

> None of my MP3 files would play.

Of course not. Microsoft (or equivalents) has 'protected' that.

I could not used my DVD player either.

Same reason.

I looked on the web and found that this is a common problem with some
> dubious solutions all of which involved many many updates to my system
> which is nice except that I could not update my system because the
> mechanism that updates the system, Zen, was broken as well!
> I gave up and Ghosted Windows xp back on to my system.
> If this is an example of Linux's finest to put in the ring against
> Microsoft's Vista, then Microsoft is going to absolutely destroy Linux.
> Linux needs less versions and more testing.

You are absolutely right. That's why you can send us this message thru
defenitely a Linux message server.
>