Hi,

I am a developer with an MSDN developer license.
My personal computer is using Windows Vista Ultimate and I have been using
Virtual PC to install Windows XP professional.

I now want to install that copy of windows XP onto my laptop.
Of course I will remove it from the Virtual Machine.

But I am sure that when the Laptop will try to register the copy it will
report that the copy has already been registered.

So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).

Simon

Simon,

>>>>So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).<<<<

I'm afraid not my friend, at least not legally. Although the word Virtual is
a little confusing to many as it appears to be like something temporary, it
is indeed in this case Real. Once you register it to a PC, Virtual or not,
it is tied to that machine.

I do believe MS should indeed write up something on the download page and
explain to users before they download and install this program. I'm sure
several have done what you have thinking they will try it out for testing
purposes or whatever only to find out later they have now lost their copy
they thought they could use on a new machine later on.


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"Simon" <spambucket@example.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I am a developer with an MSDN developer license.
> My personal computer is using Windows Vista Ultimate and I have been using
> Virtual PC to install Windows XP professional.
>
> I now want to install that copy of windows XP onto my laptop.
> Of course I will remove it from the Virtual Machine.
>
> But I am sure that when the Laptop will try to register the copy it will
> report that the copy has already been registered.
>
> So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).
>
> Simon

>
>>>>>So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).<<<<
>
> I'm afraid not my friend, at least not legally. Although the word Virtual
> is a little confusing to many as it appears to be like something
> temporary, it is indeed in this case Real. Once you register it to a PC,
> Virtual or not, it is tied to that machine.
>
> I do believe MS should indeed write up something on the download page and
> explain to users before they download and install this program. I'm sure
> several have done what you have thinking they will try it out for testing
> purposes or whatever only to find out later they have now lost their copy
> they thought they could use on a new machine later on.
>
>

That seems a bit hard to believe.
What would happen if I upgraded my hardware, (new motherboard, Hard drive
and so on).
Are you saying that I cannot re-use my legally owned copy of WinXP? MS is
forcing me to purchase another copy.

I would be quite curious to see where it says on any copy of Windows XP, (or
any of their software), that you can only use your copy once and once only.
And I would also be curious to see where it says that upgrading hardware
will mean that you need to purchase a new copy of the OS.
I am not talking about using 2 copies of one OS, but I mean to move the OS
to another machine, (as you pointed out, virtual or not, it does not
matter).

Also, I did not download it, Microsoft sent me a folder with about 50 DVDs.
So I installed my XP from a DVD, not a download.

Simon

"Simon" <spambucket@example.com> wrote in message
news:5rcc7fF142en5U1@mid.individual.net...
> Hi,
>
> I am a developer with an MSDN developer license.
> My personal computer is using Windows Vista Ultimate and I have been using
> Virtual PC to install Windows XP professional.
>
> I now want to install that copy of windows XP onto my laptop.
> Of course I will remove it from the Virtual Machine.
>
> But I am sure that when the Laptop will try to register the copy it will
> report that the copy has already been registered.
>
> So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).
>
> Simon

I don't know how the Developer license reads,
but if it is similar to retail versions of XP,
then the worst that you might expect would be
a need to activate via telephone.
Steve

"SG" <nomail@sorry.com> wrote in message
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> Simon,
>
>>>>>So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).<<<<
>
> I'm afraid not my friend, at least not legally. Although the word Virtual
> is a little confusing to many as it appears to be like something
> temporary, it is indeed in this case Real. Once you register it to a PC,
> Virtual or not, it is tied to that machine.
>
> I do believe MS should indeed write up something on the download page and
> explain to users before they download and install this program. I'm sure
> several have done what you have thinking they will try it out for testing
> purposes or whatever only to find out later they have now lost their copy
> they thought they could use on a new machine later on.
>
>
> --
> All the best,
> SG
> How to Write a Newsgroup Post:
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Usenet
>

You seem to have mis-read the OP's post.
You are describing an OEM license;
the OP specified an MSDN license.
Steve

>
>
> "Simon" <spambucket@example.com> wrote in message
> news:5rcc7fF142en5U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am a developer with an MSDN developer license.
>> My personal computer is using Windows Vista Ultimate and I have been
>> using Virtual PC to install Windows XP professional.
>>
>> I now want to install that copy of windows XP onto my laptop.
>> Of course I will remove it from the Virtual Machine.
>>
>> But I am sure that when the Laptop will try to register the copy it will
>> report that the copy has already been registered.
>>
>> So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).
>>
>> Simon
>
>

>> Hi,
>>
>> I am a developer with an MSDN developer license.
>> My personal computer is using Windows Vista Ultimate and I have been
>> using Virtual PC to install Windows XP professional.
>>
>> I now want to install that copy of windows XP onto my laptop.
>> Of course I will remove it from the Virtual Machine.
>>
>> But I am sure that when the Laptop will try to register the copy it will
>> report that the copy has already been registered.
>>
>> So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).
>>
>> Simon
>
> I don't know how the Developer license reads,
> but if it is similar to retail versions of XP,
> then the worst that you might expect would be
> a need to activate via telephone.
> Steve

Thanks I will give them a call once I have done the install.
I am just not sure if I should 'uninstall' the virtual PC or if I can just
delete the Virtual Drive.
Maybe the Uninstall will 'call home' to identify this OS as uninstalled.

In any case I have a few days to enter my activation key so I could run the
install now and see what happens.

Simon

"Simon" <spambucket@example.com> wrote in message
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>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am a developer with an MSDN developer license.
>>> My personal computer is using Windows Vista Ultimate and I have been
>>> using Virtual PC to install Windows XP professional.
>>>
>>> I now want to install that copy of windows XP onto my laptop.
>>> Of course I will remove it from the Virtual Machine.
>>>
>>> But I am sure that when the Laptop will try to register the copy it will
>>> report that the copy has already been registered.
>>>
>>> So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).
>>>
>>> Simon
>>
>> I don't know how the Developer license reads,
>> but if it is similar to retail versions of XP,
>> then the worst that you might expect would be
>> a need to activate via telephone.
>> Steve
>
> Thanks I will give them a call once I have done the install.
> I am just not sure if I should 'uninstall' the virtual PC or if I can just
> delete the Virtual Drive.
> Maybe the Uninstall will 'call home' to identify this OS as uninstalled.
>
> In any case I have a few days to enter my activation key so I could run
> the install now and see what happens.
>
> Simon

Surely you know the answer to this - you have an MSDN Licence and don't know
what the restrictions are?
But then when it comes to moving OEM OS from one pc to another, it is a
matter of interpretation - as well discussed and argued in this group over
the last three years - it can all get very confusing.

http://www.it247.com/Product/41-G71-...aediaReference

And here

https://partner.microsoft.com/UK/licensing

I can't make 'head nor tail' out of it.

A full Retail should cause no problems being moved from one computer to
another.
OEM you cannot, but there are 'ways & means' i.e telling lies when you try
for activation.
I would suspect that your licence/EULA conditions are similar to OEM.
You may also get caught up in the WGA/WGAVT/WGAN - depends if you have it
already installed.

I wish you luck
Rgds
Antioch

>>>OP specified an MSDN license<<<

I don't see that he did or it wasn't clear to me. He stated he was a MSDN
Developer, but I do not see where he says the copy of XP is a MSDN version.
Not to be critical by no means, but his post is as confusing as the MS
EULA's...well not that bad. VBG


Somon,

Go ahead and give it a try, the worse case is it will not activate and MS
may not let you, but leave the one on the Virtual Machine until you find
out. I'd also search the MSDN forms and website to see if you can get a
definite answer there.

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"Og" <Og@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "SG" <nomail@sorry.com> wrote in message
> news:uUgZMnANIHA.292@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Simon,
>>
>>>>>>So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).<<<<
>>
>> I'm afraid not my friend, at least not legally. Although the word Virtual
>> is a little confusing to many as it appears to be like something
>> temporary, it is indeed in this case Real. Once you register it to a PC,
>> Virtual or not, it is tied to that machine.
>>
>> I do believe MS should indeed write up something on the download page and
>> explain to users before they download and install this program. I'm sure
>> several have done what you have thinking they will try it out for testing
>> purposes or whatever only to find out later they have now lost their copy
>> they thought they could use on a new machine later on.
>>
>>
>> --
>> All the best,
>> SG
>> How to Write a Newsgroup Post:
>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Usenet
>>
>
> You seem to have mis-read the OP's post.
> You are describing an OEM license;
> the OP specified an MSDN license.
> Steve
>
>>
>>
>> "Simon" <spambucket@example.com> wrote in message
>> news:5rcc7fF142en5U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am a developer with an MSDN developer license.
>>> My personal computer is using Windows Vista Ultimate and I have been
>>> using Virtual PC to install Windows XP professional.
>>>
>>> I now want to install that copy of windows XP onto my laptop.
>>> Of course I will remove it from the Virtual Machine.
>>>
>>> But I am sure that when the Laptop will try to register the copy it will
>>> report that the copy has already been registered.
>>>
>>> So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).
>>>
>>> Simon
>>
>>
>
>

Simon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am a developer with an MSDN developer license.
> My personal computer is using Windows Vista Ultimate and I have been
> using Virtual PC to install Windows XP professional.
>
> I now want to install that copy of windows XP onto my laptop.
> Of course I will remove it from the Virtual Machine.
>
> But I am sure that when the Laptop will try to register the copy it will
> report that the copy has already been registered.
>
> So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).
>
> Simon


Assuming a retail or MSDN WinXP license (OEM licenses are not
legitimately transferable), simply remove WinXP from the computer it is
currently on and then install it on the new computer. (For licensing
purposes, Microsoft considers a Virtual Machine as a distinct computer.)
If it's been more than 120 days since you last activated that specific
Product Key, the you'll most likely be able to activate via the Internet
without problem. If it's been less, you might have to make a 5 minute
phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


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SG wrote:
> Simon,
>
>>>>> So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).<<<<
>
> I'm afraid not my friend, at least not legally. Although the word Virtual is
> a little confusing to many as it appears to be like something temporary, it
> is indeed in this case Real. Once you register it to a PC, Virtual or not,
> it is tied to that machine.
>


That is only true of OEM license. If the OP has an MSDN or retail
license for WinXP, he can move it about as he chooses, just so long as
it's installed on only one computer at a time.


> I do believe MS should indeed write up something on the download page and
> explain to users before they download and install this program.


Why? It's clearly spelled out in the EULA that one must agree to
before installing the OS.



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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

And if everyone/anyone reads the EULA, we wouldn't have so many of the
questions.

BTW, the link you provided is no good....
Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation

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"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
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> SG wrote:
>> Simon,
>>
>>>>>> So I can I move from one PC, (Virtual), to a real PC, (Laptop).<<<<
>>
>> I'm afraid not my friend, at least not legally. Although the word Virtual
>> is a little confusing to many as it appears to be like something
>> temporary, it is indeed in this case Real. Once you register it to a PC,
>> Virtual or not, it is tied to that machine.
>>
>
>
> That is only true of OEM license. If the OP has an MSDN or retail license
> for WinXP, he can move it about as he chooses, just so long as it's
> installed on only one computer at a time.
>
>
>> I do believe MS should indeed write up something on the download page and
>> explain to users before they download and install this program.
>
>
> Why? It's clearly spelled out in the EULA that one must agree to before
> installing the OS.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
> Russell
>
> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
> killed a great many philosophers.
> ~ Denis Diderot