http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...openent_1.html

"Management is critical in complex environments, and the management
capabilities of open source software are often pretty poor."

Kinglen Wang (flastfish) wrote:

>(snip troll)

*plonk*

Kinglen Wang (flastfish) wrote:

>(snip troll)

*plonk*

begin Kinglen Wang wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:

> http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...openent_1.html
>
> "Management is critical in complex environments, and the management
> capabilities of open source software are often pretty poor."


Closed source windope expee homo edition is a superior product.
Ask clippy.

70%+ of the world's spam is generated using windope infected
p2p bot networks.

Personally, I would recommend Linux
Try before you buy.
Hundreds of livecds here...
http://www.livecdlist.com
All free and all boot and run from CDs.
Superior micoshaft products of course can't do that.

begin Kinglen Wang wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:

> http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...openent_1.html
>
> "Management is critical in complex environments, and the management
> capabilities of open source software are often pretty poor."


Closed source windope expee homo edition is a superior product.
Ask clippy.

70%+ of the world's spam is generated using windope infected
p2p bot networks.

Personally, I would recommend Linux
Try before you buy.
Hundreds of livecds here...
http://www.livecdlist.com
All free and all boot and run from CDs.
Superior micoshaft products of course can't do that.

chrisv wrote:
> Kinglen Wang (flastfish) wrote:
>
>> (snip troll)
>
> *plonk*
>

I am always amused by this '*plonk*' put-down by nobodies on this
newsgroup. Like is anyone on the planet going to care that someone
called 'chrisv' is not going to read his/her posts ?

It is obvious that 'chrisv' did not read the linked article. If so, the
last sentences "So if open, standards-based alternatives truly don't
exist, I don't see that as a failure of the open source community.
Rather, it's a tremendous opportunity." might have changed his/her opinion.

chrisv wrote:
> Kinglen Wang (flastfish) wrote:
>
>> (snip troll)
>
> *plonk*
>

I am always amused by this '*plonk*' put-down by nobodies on this
newsgroup. Like is anyone on the planet going to care that someone
called 'chrisv' is not going to read his/her posts ?

It is obvious that 'chrisv' did not read the linked article. If so, the
last sentences "So if open, standards-based alternatives truly don't
exist, I don't see that as a failure of the open source community.
Rather, it's a tremendous opportunity." might have changed his/her opinion.

Kinglen Wang wrote:
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...openent_1.html
>
> "Management is critical in complex environments, and the management
> capabilities of open source software are often pretty poor."

This is pure ignorance.

Hasn't he heard of LDAP?

Most corporate users and corporations use some form of LDAP to manage
user accounts and provisioning. I can use openLDAP to provision the
accounts directly, and with proper patches, Active Directory clients or
servers can actually be brought into compliance with industry standard
LDAP.

If you want to add a commercial front-end to that, so that you can have
cute GUI interfaces, you can use IBM Directory Server, Novell's NDS,
Tivoli Access Manager, Tivoli Identity Manager, or some of the
commercial packages mentioned above.

Yet, directory server is basically a web interface to LDAP.

On the other hand, most of the time, the information related to the
person needing access is already in the HR database (it had better be).
It's a simple scripting process to select from the database into a
perl script that generates the LDIF file. The LDIF file can be
imported using ldapupdate or insert.

Articles like this make numerous erroneous assumptions. Yes, Linux
admins make more money, usually because they also take on other
responsibilities as well, such as UNIX system administration, or
mentoring others in the transition from Windows to Linux.

Many Linux administrators also have Windows skills, which means that
they can back-fill Windows Admin responsibilities as well.

So I can hire a Windows Only "Box Booter", or I can hire a
switch-hitting multiposition player who can support admin, script
automated admin tools, and even participate in integration projects.
If the premium is reasonable, I can get that money back ten-fold in
increased productivity, and 100-fold in productivity of the entire
organization.

Kinglen Wang wrote:
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...openent_1.html
>
> "Management is critical in complex environments, and the management
> capabilities of open source software are often pretty poor."

This is pure ignorance.

Hasn't he heard of LDAP?

Most corporate users and corporations use some form of LDAP to manage
user accounts and provisioning. I can use openLDAP to provision the
accounts directly, and with proper patches, Active Directory clients or
servers can actually be brought into compliance with industry standard
LDAP.

If you want to add a commercial front-end to that, so that you can have
cute GUI interfaces, you can use IBM Directory Server, Novell's NDS,
Tivoli Access Manager, Tivoli Identity Manager, or some of the
commercial packages mentioned above.

Yet, directory server is basically a web interface to LDAP.

On the other hand, most of the time, the information related to the
person needing access is already in the HR database (it had better be).
It's a simple scripting process to select from the database into a
perl script that generates the LDIF file. The LDIF file can be
imported using ldapupdate or insert.

Articles like this make numerous erroneous assumptions. Yes, Linux
admins make more money, usually because they also take on other
responsibilities as well, such as UNIX system administration, or
mentoring others in the transition from Windows to Linux.

Many Linux administrators also have Windows skills, which means that
they can back-fill Windows Admin responsibilities as well.

So I can hire a Windows Only "Box Booter", or I can hire a
switch-hitting multiposition player who can support admin, script
automated admin tools, and even participate in integration projects.
If the premium is reasonable, I can get that money back ten-fold in
increased productivity, and 100-fold in productivity of the entire
organization.

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:18:37 -0400, Kinglen Wang wrote:

> http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...openent_1.html
>
> "Management is critical in complex environments, and the management
> capabilities of open source software are often pretty poor."

Hogwash! You can manage 1000's of Linux/Unix systems via scripts and the
command line and have complete control over your enviroment. Trying to do
the same in Windows will cost you millions in piss poor addon management
products in which you spend more time managing the management application!

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:18:37 -0400, Kinglen Wang wrote:

> http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...openent_1.html
>
> "Management is critical in complex environments, and the management
> capabilities of open source software are often pretty poor."

Hogwash! You can manage 1000's of Linux/Unix systems via scripts and the
command line and have complete control over your enviroment. Trying to do
the same in Windows will cost you millions in piss poor addon management
products in which you spend more time managing the management application!

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:58:44 -0700, Rex Ballard wrote:

> This is pure ignorance.
>
> Hasn't he heard of LDAP?

"Neil McAllister is a senior editor at InfoWorld."
You would think that a "senior editor" would have just a bit more
knowledge or would at least do some research before making an ass out of
himself.




http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/
http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/directory/

"Active Directory user and group synchronization"

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:58:44 -0700, Rex Ballard wrote:

> This is pure ignorance.
>
> Hasn't he heard of LDAP?

"Neil McAllister is a senior editor at InfoWorld."
You would think that a "senior editor" would have just a bit more
knowledge or would at least do some research before making an ass out of
himself.




http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/
http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/directory/

"Active Directory user and group synchronization"

Kinglen Wang <wangk@entermail.org> wrote in
news:ehoda5$7gf$1@chiara.aioe.org:

> http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...openent_1.html

Let me add the complete text to your fragmented one:

| A couple of weeks ago, I took BEA to task for insinuating
| that the open source community wasn't capable of delivering
| good management tools for its software. A few readers leapt
| to the defense: BEA is right, they said.

> "Management is critical in complex environments, and the
> management capabilities of open source software are often
> pretty poor."

| Maybe so. But if that's true, it's all the more reason to
| make some noise about it and get open source developers
| more interested in delivering those tools. Because the
| alternative -- turning to proprietary software for the
| management piece -- could have fairly unpalatable side
| effects.

Article conclusion:

| Which brings us back again to the topic of open source
| management tools. Should we really manage open source
| software with tools and protocols that are closed and
| proprietary? One could argue that this is, in fact, the
| last place you'd want to use a proprietary solution. So if
| open, standards-based alternatives truly don't exist, I
| don't see that as a failure of the open source community.
| Rather, it's a tremendous opportunity.

--
HPT

High Plains Thumper wrote:

> Kinglen Wang <wangk@entermail.org> wrote in

< snip >

You are aware that you answered a flatfish post, are you?
--
Microsoft software doesn't get released - it escapes, leaving
a trail of destruction behind it.