Yep! :) That'd be me! LOL! Operators are standing by! Hee hee hee!

-Frank

"Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
news:e8yppRc9GHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Frankster wrote:
>> Waiting may be tricky for a lot of folks. Last I heard, MS was going to
>> "push" it out via automatic updates as a critical update.
>>
>> -Frank
>
> It'll be a banner day for repair techs.
>
> Alias
>>
>> "its_my_dime" <its_my_dime******.com.spam (hold the .spam)> wrote in
>> message news:u5ckNRY9GHA.3344@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> At least for some (including me), IE 7 has not worked. See
>>> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general.
>>>
>>> This program clearly has more than its fair share of problems.
>>>
>>> The newsgroup has not been helpful in dealing with issues.
>>>
>>> The microsoft phone help number is so busy that they ask you to call
>>> back later.
>>>
>>> Most (but not all) have been able to uninstall it (through the control
>>> panel) and return to IE 6.
>>>
>>> While it may well work for you without any difficulty, be aware that
>>> this upgrade clearly needs a great deal more work and waiting may be
>>> the best course.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

"Gordon" <gordon@gbpcomputing.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
> news:%23TeSbFd9GHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Gordon wrote:
> >> "its_my_dime" <its_my_dime******.com.spam (hold the .spam)> wrote in
> >> message news:uoRb1cZ9GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>> I just read Sandi's notes. There is, in my opinion, no
> >>> excuse...repeat....no excuse...to have to go thru all of this just to
> >>> install an IE upgrade. Come on, Microsoft. Get it fixed!!
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Umm it's NOT an upgrade.....
> >
> > Really? What would you call it, a disaster?
> >
>
> Possibly ;-) but it's not an upgrade from IE6, it's a completely NEW
> application....
>

Which, of course, will mean it's a totally
new codebase, full of mistakes. Just great.

The average user will NOT make the distinction between
"upgrade" and "completely new application" and will be
caught totally unaware when it borks his/her system. My guess
would be that as usual, nowhere on the MS site that the average
user would go (MSDN pages are NOT places the average
user ever wanders) is it explained that this is so.

MS rolled out betas of Windows Media Player this way,
WITHOUT making it VERY CLEAR that they were
BETA, and took a lot of heat on it, but did NOT significantly
change their M.O., apparently. They just push it as the
latest & greatest thing you GOTTA have.

IE, by its very nature, gets its hooks into all the deep, dark
corners of your OS. The potential for screwing up is high.

The users become the beta testers once again for an application
that is labeled as a gold release.

Perhaps pissed-off folks will jump to 3rd party browsers.

That would be a good thing.

>
>

"Gordon" <gordon@gbpcomputing.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23CNJLId9GHA.4964@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
> news:%23TeSbFd9GHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Gordon wrote:
> >> "its_my_dime" <its_my_dime******.com.spam (hold the .spam)> wrote in
> >> message news:uoRb1cZ9GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>> I just read Sandi's notes. There is, in my opinion, no
> >>> excuse...repeat....no excuse...to have to go thru all of this just to
> >>> install an IE upgrade. Come on, Microsoft. Get it fixed!!
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Umm it's NOT an upgrade.....
> >
> > Really? What would you call it, a disaster?
> >
>
> Possibly ;-) but it's not an upgrade from IE6, it's a completely NEW
> application....
>

Which, of course, will mean it's a totally
new codebase, full of mistakes. Just great.

The average user will NOT make the distinction between
"upgrade" and "completely new application" and will be
caught totally unaware when it borks his/her system. My guess
would be that as usual, nowhere on the MS site that the average
user would go (MSDN pages are NOT places the average
user ever wanders) is it explained that this is so.

MS rolled out betas of Windows Media Player this way,
WITHOUT making it VERY CLEAR that they were
BETA, and took a lot of heat on it, but did NOT significantly
change their M.O., apparently. They just push it as the
latest & greatest thing you GOTTA have.

IE, by its very nature, gets its hooks into all the deep, dark
corners of your OS. The potential for screwing up is high.

The users become the beta testers once again for an application
that is labeled as a gold release.

Perhaps pissed-off folks will jump to 3rd party browsers.

That would be a good thing.

>
>

> Possibly ;-) but it's not an upgrade from IE6, it's a completely NEW
> application....

Microsoft's website cheerfully implores us to "Upgrade With Confidence" to
IE7.

--
Regards

John Waller

> Possibly ;-) but it's not an upgrade from IE6, it's a completely NEW
> application....

Microsoft's website cheerfully implores us to "Upgrade With Confidence" to
IE7.

--
Regards

John Waller

Per Frankster:
>Last I heard, MS was going to
>"push" it out via automatic updates as a critical update.

Why would they do that? Fixing some sort of major security exposure?
--
PeteCresswell

Per Frankster:
>Last I heard, MS was going to
>"push" it out via automatic updates as a critical update.

Why would they do that? Fixing some sort of major security exposure?
--
PeteCresswell

"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in message
news:vd5oj25lpttsegu7ahg404i5cl2tljtorv@4ax.com...
> Per Frankster:
>>Last I heard, MS was going to
>>"push" it out via automatic updates as a critical update.
>
> Why would they do that? Fixing some sort of major security exposure?
> --
> PeteCresswell

From the MS website... (basically, security)

-Frank

--------------
Internet Explorer 7 provides security through a robust new architecture,
security features that help defend against malicious software (also known as
malware), and new ways to better protect against the theft of personal data
from fraudulent websites, a practice known as phishing. Click on the
features to learn more.
---------------

"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in message
news:vd5oj25lpttsegu7ahg404i5cl2tljtorv@4ax.com...
> Per Frankster:
>>Last I heard, MS was going to
>>"push" it out via automatic updates as a critical update.
>
> Why would they do that? Fixing some sort of major security exposure?
> --
> PeteCresswell

From the MS website... (basically, security)

-Frank

--------------
Internet Explorer 7 provides security through a robust new architecture,
security features that help defend against malicious software (also known as
malware), and new ways to better protect against the theft of personal data
from fraudulent websites, a practice known as phishing. Click on the
features to learn more.
---------------

"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
news:-fednQPUi7r1haHYnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in message
> news:vd5oj25lpttsegu7ahg404i5cl2tljtorv@4ax.com...
>> Per Frankster:
>>>Last I heard, MS was going to
>>>"push" it out via automatic updates as a critical update.
>>
>> Why would they do that? Fixing some sort of major security
>> exposure?
>> --
>> PeteCresswell
>
> From the MS website... (basically, security)
>
> -Frank
>
> --------------
> Internet Explorer 7 provides security through a robust new
> architecture, security features that help defend against
> malicious software (also known as malware), and new ways to
> better protect against the theft of personal data from
> fraudulent websites, a practice known as phishing. Click on
> the features to learn more.
> ---------------
>

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Uninstalled already. Learned enough in five minutes of fighting
with this beast.

Doug W.

"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
news:-fednQPUi7r1haHYnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in message
> news:vd5oj25lpttsegu7ahg404i5cl2tljtorv@4ax.com...
>> Per Frankster:
>>>Last I heard, MS was going to
>>>"push" it out via automatic updates as a critical update.
>>
>> Why would they do that? Fixing some sort of major security
>> exposure?
>> --
>> PeteCresswell
>
> From the MS website... (basically, security)
>
> -Frank
>
> --------------
> Internet Explorer 7 provides security through a robust new
> architecture, security features that help defend against
> malicious software (also known as malware), and new ways to
> better protect against the theft of personal data from
> fraudulent websites, a practice known as phishing. Click on
> the features to learn more.
> ---------------
>

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Uninstalled already. Learned enough in five minutes of fighting
with this beast.

Doug W.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:05:07 -0600, "Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com>
wrote:

>Waiting may be tricky for a lot of folks. Last I heard, MS was going to
>"push" it out via automatic updates as a critical update.

Hard cheese for them. I don't use automatic updates.
--
Top 10 Conservative Idiots:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:05:07 -0600, "Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com>
wrote:

>Waiting may be tricky for a lot of folks. Last I heard, MS was going to
>"push" it out via automatic updates as a critical update.

Hard cheese for them. I don't use automatic updates.
--
Top 10 Conservative Idiots:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10

>Last I heard, MS was going to "push" it out via automatic updates as a
>critical update.

It'll be a "high priority update" rather than a "critical update":
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...s/default.mspx


high priority update
A classification used on the Windows Update Web site and by the Windows
Update Service to recommend Microsoft software updates and drivers that help
protect against the latest publicly known security threats and reliability
issues.

critical update
A broadly released fix for a specific problem addressing a critical,
non-security-related bug.

http://www.microsoft.com/security/glossary.mspx

--
Regards

John Waller

>Last I heard, MS was going to "push" it out via automatic updates as a
>critical update.

It'll be a "high priority update" rather than a "critical update":
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...s/default.mspx


high priority update
A classification used on the Windows Update Web site and by the Windows
Update Service to recommend Microsoft software updates and drivers that help
protect against the latest publicly known security threats and reliability
issues.

critical update
A broadly released fix for a specific problem addressing a critical,
non-security-related bug.

http://www.microsoft.com/security/glossary.mspx

--
Regards

John Waller