"The biggest — and currently unresolved — fight hinges on vendors' claims
they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel, of higher-end,
64-bit versions of Vista.

A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most sensitive
information in the guts of the system. While blocking out hackers,
PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have traditionally been
allowed inside to retrieve necessary information.

Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced security features for
64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are likely to get does not
include PatchGuard and thus offers access to the disputed data). "

So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going to have
a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults? GNU/Linux has
managed to separate the kernel space from the user space since its
inception and all these years later Microsoft still can't or won't offer
this to its ordinary customers?


--
Linux is ready for the desktop! More ready than Windoze XP.
http://tinyurl.com/ldm9d

"Computer users around the globe recognize that the most serious threats to
security exist because of inherent weaknesses in the Microsoft operating
system." McAfee

Maybe they're trying to stop exploits like this one.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta=

By the way your newsreader is misconfigured. You should change your
followup. Or maybe you are just trolling?

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MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


NoStop wrote:
> "The biggest - and currently unresolved - fight hinges on vendors'
> claims they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel, of
> higher-end, 64-bit versions of Vista.
>
> A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most sensitive
> information in the guts of the system. While blocking out hackers,
> PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have traditionally
> been allowed inside to retrieve necessary information.
>
> Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced security features
> for 64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are likely to get
> does not include PatchGuard and thus offers access to the disputed
> data). "
>
> So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going
> to have a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults?
> GNU/Linux has managed to separate the kernel space from the user
> space since its inception and all these years later Microsoft still
> can't or won't offer this to its ordinary customers?

Maybe they're trying to stop exploits like this one.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta=

By the way your newsreader is misconfigured. You should change your
followup. Or maybe you are just trolling?

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


NoStop wrote:
> "The biggest - and currently unresolved - fight hinges on vendors'
> claims they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel, of
> higher-end, 64-bit versions of Vista.
>
> A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most sensitive
> information in the guts of the system. While blocking out hackers,
> PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have traditionally
> been allowed inside to retrieve necessary information.
>
> Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced security features
> for 64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are likely to get
> does not include PatchGuard and thus offers access to the disputed
> data). "
>
> So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going
> to have a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults?
> GNU/Linux has managed to separate the kernel space from the user
> space since its inception and all these years later Microsoft still
> can't or won't offer this to its ordinary customers?

NoStop wrote:

> "The biggest — and currently unresolved — fight hinges on vendors' claims
> they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel, of higher-end,
> 64-bit versions of Vista.
>
> A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most sensitive
> information in the guts of the system. While blocking out hackers,
> PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have traditionally been
> allowed inside to retrieve necessary information.
>
> Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced security features for
> 64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are likely to get does not
> include PatchGuard and thus offers access to the disputed data). "
>
> So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going to
> have a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults? GNU/Linux
> has managed to separate the kernel space from the user space since its
> inception and all these years later Microsoft still can't or won't offer
> this to its ordinary customers?
>
>
Oops, sorry. Forgot to post the link to this article. Here it is ...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home

And for those using deficient newsreaders, here's a TinyURL link to the
article ...

http://tinyurl.com/y8c7gk

Cheers.


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http://tinyurl.com/ldm9d

"Computer users around the globe recognize that the most serious threats to
security exist because of inherent weaknesses in the Microsoft operating
system." McAfee

NoStop wrote:

> "The biggest — and currently unresolved — fight hinges on vendors' claims
> they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel, of higher-end,
> 64-bit versions of Vista.
>
> A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most sensitive
> information in the guts of the system. While blocking out hackers,
> PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have traditionally been
> allowed inside to retrieve necessary information.
>
> Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced security features for
> 64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are likely to get does not
> include PatchGuard and thus offers access to the disputed data). "
>
> So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going to
> have a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults? GNU/Linux
> has managed to separate the kernel space from the user space since its
> inception and all these years later Microsoft still can't or won't offer
> this to its ordinary customers?
>
>
Oops, sorry. Forgot to post the link to this article. Here it is ...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home

And for those using deficient newsreaders, here's a TinyURL link to the
article ...

http://tinyurl.com/y8c7gk

Cheers.


--
Linux is ready for the desktop! More ready than Windoze XP.
http://tinyurl.com/ldm9d

"Computer users around the globe recognize that the most serious threats to
security exist because of inherent weaknesses in the Microsoft operating
system." McAfee

It's very strange that only the linux advocates have a problem with setting
the followup option properly in their newsreaders. Here's a link to the
KNode documentation that will help you configure this option.

http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdepim...-features.html

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


NoStop wrote:
> NoStop wrote:
>
>> "The biggest - and currently unresolved - fight hinges on vendors'
>> claims they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel,
>> of higher-end, 64-bit versions of Vista.
>>
>> A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most
>> sensitive information in the guts of the system. While blocking out
>> hackers, PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have
>> traditionally been allowed inside to retrieve necessary information.
>>
>> Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced security
>> features for 64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are
>> likely to get does not include PatchGuard and thus offers access to
>> the disputed data). "
>>
>> So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going
>> to have a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults?
>> GNU/Linux has managed to separate the kernel space from the user
>> space since its inception and all these years later Microsoft still
>> can't or won't offer this to its ordinary customers?
>>
>>
> Oops, sorry. Forgot to post the link to this article. Here it is ...
>
> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home
>
> And for those using deficient newsreaders, here's a TinyURL link to
> the article ...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y8c7gk
>
> Cheers.

It's very strange that only the linux advocates have a problem with setting
the followup option properly in their newsreaders. Here's a link to the
KNode documentation that will help you configure this option.

http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdepim...-features.html

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


NoStop wrote:
> NoStop wrote:
>
>> "The biggest - and currently unresolved - fight hinges on vendors'
>> claims they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel,
>> of higher-end, 64-bit versions of Vista.
>>
>> A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most
>> sensitive information in the guts of the system. While blocking out
>> hackers, PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have
>> traditionally been allowed inside to retrieve necessary information.
>>
>> Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced security
>> features for 64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are
>> likely to get does not include PatchGuard and thus offers access to
>> the disputed data). "
>>
>> So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going
>> to have a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults?
>> GNU/Linux has managed to separate the kernel space from the user
>> space since its inception and all these years later Microsoft still
>> can't or won't offer this to its ordinary customers?
>>
>>
> Oops, sorry. Forgot to post the link to this article. Here it is ...
>
> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home
>
> And for those using deficient newsreaders, here's a TinyURL link to
> the article ...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y8c7gk
>
> Cheers.

Not really, IMO<g>: Many 'nixers, especially those who know enough to be
dangerous, just get used to not having what they need to do anything and
don't think it can be done unless they've spent hours researching a resource
and/or maybe even writing/assembling their own little objects.
Don't get me wrong: Linux is GREAT and Open Source is GREAT! It's just
that I've noticed a lot of the 'nix snobs don't do much other than reinvent
wheels. There's a visual block for anything that's lower than their noses.

Pop`


Kerry Brown wrote:
> It's very strange that only the linux advocates have a problem with
> setting the followup option properly in their newsreaders. Here's a
> link to the KNode documentation that will help you configure this
> option.
> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdepim...-features.html
>
>
> NoStop wrote:
>> NoStop wrote:
>>
>>> "The biggest - and currently unresolved - fight hinges on vendors'
>>> claims they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel,
>>> of higher-end, 64-bit versions of Vista.
>>>
>>> A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most
>>> sensitive information in the guts of the system. While blocking out
>>> hackers, PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have
>>> traditionally been allowed inside to retrieve necessary information.
>>>
>>> Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced security
>>> features for 64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are
>>> likely to get does not include PatchGuard and thus offers access to
>>> the disputed data). "
>>>
>>> So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going
>>> to have a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults?
>>> GNU/Linux has managed to separate the kernel space from the user
>>> space since its inception and all these years later Microsoft still
>>> can't or won't offer this to its ordinary customers?
>>>
>>>
>> Oops, sorry. Forgot to post the link to this article. Here it is ...
>>
>> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home
>>
>> And for those using deficient newsreaders, here's a TinyURL link to
>> the article ...
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/y8c7gk
>>
>> Cheers.

Not really, IMO<g>: Many 'nixers, especially those who know enough to be
dangerous, just get used to not having what they need to do anything and
don't think it can be done unless they've spent hours researching a resource
and/or maybe even writing/assembling their own little objects.
Don't get me wrong: Linux is GREAT and Open Source is GREAT! It's just
that I've noticed a lot of the 'nix snobs don't do much other than reinvent
wheels. There's a visual block for anything that's lower than their noses.

Pop`


Kerry Brown wrote:
> It's very strange that only the linux advocates have a problem with
> setting the followup option properly in their newsreaders. Here's a
> link to the KNode documentation that will help you configure this
> option.
> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdepim...-features.html
>
>
> NoStop wrote:
>> NoStop wrote:
>>
>>> "The biggest - and currently unresolved - fight hinges on vendors'
>>> claims they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel,
>>> of higher-end, 64-bit versions of Vista.
>>>
>>> A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most
>>> sensitive information in the guts of the system. While blocking out
>>> hackers, PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have
>>> traditionally been allowed inside to retrieve necessary information.
>>>
>>> Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced security
>>> features for 64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are
>>> likely to get does not include PatchGuard and thus offers access to
>>> the disputed data). "
>>>
>>> So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going
>>> to have a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults?
>>> GNU/Linux has managed to separate the kernel space from the user
>>> space since its inception and all these years later Microsoft still
>>> can't or won't offer this to its ordinary customers?
>>>
>>>
>> Oops, sorry. Forgot to post the link to this article. Here it is ...
>>
>> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home
>>
>> And for those using deficient newsreaders, here's a TinyURL link to
>> the article ...
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/y8c7gk
>>
>> Cheers.

Most linux users ignore the cola crowd. I like to bait them once in a while
:-)

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


Pop` wrote:
> Not really, IMO<g>: Many 'nixers, especially those who know enough
> to be dangerous, just get used to not having what they need to do
> anything and don't think it can be done unless they've spent hours
> researching a resource and/or maybe even writing/assembling their own
> little objects. Don't get me wrong: Linux is GREAT and Open Source
> is GREAT! It's just that I've noticed a lot of the 'nix snobs don't
> do much other than reinvent wheels. There's a visual block for
> anything that's lower than their noses.
> Pop`
>
>
> Kerry Brown wrote:
>> It's very strange that only the linux advocates have a problem with
>> setting the followup option properly in their newsreaders. Here's a
>> link to the KNode documentation that will help you configure this
>> option.
>> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdepim...-features.html
>>
>>
>> NoStop wrote:
>>> NoStop wrote:
>>>
>>>> "The biggest - and currently unresolved - fight hinges on vendors'
>>>> claims they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel,
>>>> of higher-end, 64-bit versions of Vista.
>>>>
>>>> A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most
>>>> sensitive information in the guts of the system. While blocking out
>>>> hackers, PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have
>>>> traditionally been allowed inside to retrieve necessary
>>>> information. Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced
>>>> security
>>>> features for 64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are
>>>> likely to get does not include PatchGuard and thus offers access to
>>>> the disputed data). "
>>>>
>>>> So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going
>>>> to have a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults?
>>>> GNU/Linux has managed to separate the kernel space from the user
>>>> space since its inception and all these years later Microsoft still
>>>> can't or won't offer this to its ordinary customers?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Oops, sorry. Forgot to post the link to this article. Here it is ...
>>>
>>> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home
>>>
>>> And for those using deficient newsreaders, here's a TinyURL link to
>>> the article ...
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/y8c7gk
>>>
>>> Cheers.

Most linux users ignore the cola crowd. I like to bait them once in a while
:-)

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


Pop` wrote:
> Not really, IMO<g>: Many 'nixers, especially those who know enough
> to be dangerous, just get used to not having what they need to do
> anything and don't think it can be done unless they've spent hours
> researching a resource and/or maybe even writing/assembling their own
> little objects. Don't get me wrong: Linux is GREAT and Open Source
> is GREAT! It's just that I've noticed a lot of the 'nix snobs don't
> do much other than reinvent wheels. There's a visual block for
> anything that's lower than their noses.
> Pop`
>
>
> Kerry Brown wrote:
>> It's very strange that only the linux advocates have a problem with
>> setting the followup option properly in their newsreaders. Here's a
>> link to the KNode documentation that will help you configure this
>> option.
>> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdepim...-features.html
>>
>>
>> NoStop wrote:
>>> NoStop wrote:
>>>
>>>> "The biggest - and currently unresolved - fight hinges on vendors'
>>>> claims they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel,
>>>> of higher-end, 64-bit versions of Vista.
>>>>
>>>> A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most
>>>> sensitive information in the guts of the system. While blocking out
>>>> hackers, PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have
>>>> traditionally been allowed inside to retrieve necessary
>>>> information. Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced
>>>> security
>>>> features for 64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are
>>>> likely to get does not include PatchGuard and thus offers access to
>>>> the disputed data). "
>>>>
>>>> So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going
>>>> to have a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults?
>>>> GNU/Linux has managed to separate the kernel space from the user
>>>> space since its inception and all these years later Microsoft still
>>>> can't or won't offer this to its ordinary customers?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Oops, sorry. Forgot to post the link to this article. Here it is ...
>>>
>>> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...echnology/home
>>>
>>> And for those using deficient newsreaders, here's a TinyURL link to
>>> the article ...
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/y8c7gk
>>>
>>> Cheers.

try to keep up
MS has already announced they will be making access to certain parts available.
was done days ago.
..



mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com



"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Qnq_g.167191$5R2.155978@pd7urf3no...
"The biggest — and currently unresolved — fight hinges on vendors' claims
they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel, of higher-end,
64-bit versions of Vista.

A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most sensitive
information in the guts of the system. While blocking out hackers,
PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have traditionally been
allowed inside to retrieve necessary information.

Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced security features for
64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are likely to get does not
include PatchGuard and thus offers access to the disputed data). "

So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going to have
a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults? GNU/Linux has
managed to separate the kernel space from the user space since its
inception and all these years later Microsoft still can't or won't offer
this to its ordinary customers?


--
Linux is ready for the desktop! More ready than Windoze XP.
http://tinyurl.com/ldm9d

"Computer users around the globe recognize that the most serious threats to
security exist because of inherent weaknesses in the Microsoft operating
system." McAfee

try to keep up
MS has already announced they will be making access to certain parts available.
was done days ago.
..



mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com



"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Qnq_g.167191$5R2.155978@pd7urf3no...
"The biggest — and currently unresolved — fight hinges on vendors' claims
they have been locked out of access to the core, or kernel, of higher-end,
64-bit versions of Vista.

A new feature called PatchGuard is meant to protect the most sensitive
information in the guts of the system. While blocking out hackers,
PatchGuard also keeps out security vendors that have traditionally been
allowed inside to retrieve necessary information.

Vendors said their products will thus lack advanced security features for
64-bit users (The 32-bit version that consumers are likely to get does not
include PatchGuard and thus offers access to the disputed data). "

So, does this mean that ordinary home users/consumers are not going to have
a version of Vista that protects the kernel from assaults? GNU/Linux has
managed to separate the kernel space from the user space since its
inception and all these years later Microsoft still can't or won't offer
this to its ordinary customers?


--
Linux is ready for the desktop! More ready than Windoze XP.
http://tinyurl.com/ldm9d

"Computer users around the globe recognize that the most serious threats to
security exist because of inherent weaknesses in the Microsoft operating
system." McAfee

In article <Qnq_g.167191$5R2.155978@pd7urf3no>, nospam@nospam.com
says...
> From: NoStop <nospam@nospam.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy, microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
> Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy

Why post this to Nix and Win groups and then break the path by setting
follow-up to only the Nix group.

I fixed the follow-up.

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In article <Qnq_g.167191$5R2.155978@pd7urf3no>, nospam@nospam.com
says...
> From: NoStop <nospam@nospam.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy, microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
> Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy

Why post this to Nix and Win groups and then break the path by setting
follow-up to only the Nix group.

I fixed the follow-up.

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