Paul Smith <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote:

> In my experience however I'd recommend sticking with the Windows
> Firewall, it's much less hassle than 3rd party ones.

Correct. Installing third-party toys like "Zone Alarm" means wasting
system resources. As for monitoring the outgoing traffic, this is
nothing but a bad joke! Malware that does not want to be detected
that way will use "tunneling" for instance in order to fool these toys
and the "smart" user as well who believes in them.

--
d-d

Paul Smith <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote:

> In my experience however I'd recommend sticking with the Windows
> Firewall, it's much less hassle than 3rd party ones.

Correct. Installing third-party toys like "Zone Alarm" means wasting
system resources. As for monitoring the outgoing traffic, this is
nothing but a bad joke! Malware that does not want to be detected
that way will use "tunneling" for instance in order to fool these toys
and the "smart" user as well who believes in them.

--
d-d

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:07:45 GMT, "Detlev Dreyer"
<detdreyer@flashmail.com> wrote:

>Paul Smith <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote:
>
>> In my experience however I'd recommend sticking with the Windows
>> Firewall, it's much less hassle than 3rd party ones.
>
>Correct. Installing third-party toys like "Zone Alarm" means wasting
>system resources. As for monitoring the outgoing traffic, this is
>nothing but a bad joke! Malware that does not want to be detected
>that way will use "tunneling" for instance in order to fool these toys
>and the "smart" user as well who believes in them.

Tunneling as you refer to includes the need to execute code.
ZA watches all services and applets and prevents their execution
unless otherwise instructed to allow them.

I doubt many would agree that decent firewalls are considered to be
"TOYS".

Trev

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:07:45 GMT, "Detlev Dreyer"
<detdreyer@flashmail.com> wrote:

>Paul Smith <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote:
>
>> In my experience however I'd recommend sticking with the Windows
>> Firewall, it's much less hassle than 3rd party ones.
>
>Correct. Installing third-party toys like "Zone Alarm" means wasting
>system resources. As for monitoring the outgoing traffic, this is
>nothing but a bad joke! Malware that does not want to be detected
>that way will use "tunneling" for instance in order to fool these toys
>and the "smart" user as well who believes in them.

Tunneling as you refer to includes the need to execute code.
ZA watches all services and applets and prevents their execution
unless otherwise instructed to allow them.

I doubt many would agree that decent firewalls are considered to be
"TOYS".

Trev

"Trevor" <Trevor@righthere.com> wrote:

> Tunneling as you refer to includes the need to execute code.
> ZA watches all services and applets and prevents their execution
> unless otherwise instructed to allow them.

"Entering through the Exits"
http://www.spirit.com/Network/net1103.html

> I doubt many would agree that decent firewalls are considered to be
> "TOYS".

ACK. Especially those users who wasted money for these toys will never
ever accept this to be a fact.

--
d-d

"Trevor" <Trevor@righthere.com> wrote:

> Tunneling as you refer to includes the need to execute code.
> ZA watches all services and applets and prevents their execution
> unless otherwise instructed to allow them.

"Entering through the Exits"
http://www.spirit.com/Network/net1103.html

> I doubt many would agree that decent firewalls are considered to be
> "TOYS".

ACK. Especially those users who wasted money for these toys will never
ever accept this to be a fact.

--
d-d

Dave C wrote:

> I've been advised to install the free edition of Zone Alarm firewall
> even though I still have XP Home Edition firewall installed. The
> person said they can both run at once. Is this true?


Yes.


> Is it a good idea?


No, it's a very bad idea. You achieve no extra protection, you incur the
extra overhead of running two firewalls, and you run the risk (probably
small, but not zero) of conflicts between them.

See http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu.../firewall.mspx which
includes the following:

"Q. Should I use both the built-in firewall and a software firewall from a
different company on my Windows XP computer?

"A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for typical home
computers, home networking, and small-business networking scenarios. Using
two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with connectivity to
the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One firewall, whether it is the
Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall or a different software firewall,
can provide substantial protection for your computer."

Also note that if you update your third-party firewall to a new version, the
update routine will probably turn it off first. If the Windows firewall
isn't running, you will temporarily be left with no running firewall, which
is very dangerous. So turn on the Windows firewall temporarily before doing
maintenance on your third-party firewall.

The Windows firewall monitors incoming traffic only. Almost any third-party
firewall will also monitor outbound traffic, stopping rogue programs trying
to call home, and is a better choice.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

Dave C wrote:

> I've been advised to install the free edition of Zone Alarm firewall
> even though I still have XP Home Edition firewall installed. The
> person said they can both run at once. Is this true?


Yes.


> Is it a good idea?


No, it's a very bad idea. You achieve no extra protection, you incur the
extra overhead of running two firewalls, and you run the risk (probably
small, but not zero) of conflicts between them.

See http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu.../firewall.mspx which
includes the following:

"Q. Should I use both the built-in firewall and a software firewall from a
different company on my Windows XP computer?

"A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for typical home
computers, home networking, and small-business networking scenarios. Using
two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with connectivity to
the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One firewall, whether it is the
Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall or a different software firewall,
can provide substantial protection for your computer."

Also note that if you update your third-party firewall to a new version, the
update routine will probably turn it off first. If the Windows firewall
isn't running, you will temporarily be left with no running firewall, which
is very dangerous. So turn on the Windows firewall temporarily before doing
maintenance on your third-party firewall.

The Windows firewall monitors incoming traffic only. Almost any third-party
firewall will also monitor outbound traffic, stopping rogue programs trying
to call home, and is a better choice.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

In some cases, both will run in congress without conflict. It can be a bad
idea though.
I just don't like all the messages ZA produces when its done its job. Kinda
like brown-nosing the boss alot. But, then again, its nice to know when
some intruders are blocked. Windows firewall does it all silently. Which
makes me wonder what its doing or not doing sometimes.
--
Jonny
"Dave C" <DaveC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CC5B3419-9FEA-4B11-B7B2-0136F597C19A@microsoft.com...
> I've been advised to install the free edition of Zone Alarm firewall even
> though I still have XP Home Edition firewall installed. The person said
> they
> can both run at once. Is this true? Is it a good idea?

In some cases, both will run in congress without conflict. It can be a bad
idea though.
I just don't like all the messages ZA produces when its done its job. Kinda
like brown-nosing the boss alot. But, then again, its nice to know when
some intruders are blocked. Windows firewall does it all silently. Which
makes me wonder what its doing or not doing sometimes.
--
Jonny
"Dave C" <DaveC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CC5B3419-9FEA-4B11-B7B2-0136F597C19A@microsoft.com...
> I've been advised to install the free edition of Zone Alarm firewall even
> though I still have XP Home Edition firewall installed. The person said
> they
> can both run at once. Is this true? Is it a good idea?

I install ZA on my computer but when I connect to internet, in my
network connections appear a gateway (Internet Connection). Why?

Rick ha escrito:

> Paul Smith wrote:
> > "Dave C" <DaveC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:CC5B3419-9FEA-4B11-B7B2-0136F597C19A@microsoft.com...
> >> I've been advised to install the free edition of Zone Alarm firewall even
> >> though I still have XP Home Edition firewall installed. The person
> >> said they
> >> can both run at once. Is this true? Is it a good idea?
> >
> > As Richard pointed out Zone Alarm will disable the Windows Firewall.
> >
> > In my experience however I'd recommend sticking with the Windows
> > Firewall, it's much less hassle than 3rd party ones.
> >
> Windows firewall will not stop your computer from going places that
> might be unwise to go to. ZA stops both directions in and out.
>
> Rick

I install ZA on my computer but when I connect to internet, in my
network connections appear a gateway (Internet Connection). Why?

Rick ha escrito:

> Paul Smith wrote:
> > "Dave C" <DaveC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:CC5B3419-9FEA-4B11-B7B2-0136F597C19A@microsoft.com...
> >> I've been advised to install the free edition of Zone Alarm firewall even
> >> though I still have XP Home Edition firewall installed. The person
> >> said they
> >> can both run at once. Is this true? Is it a good idea?
> >
> > As Richard pointed out Zone Alarm will disable the Windows Firewall.
> >
> > In my experience however I'd recommend sticking with the Windows
> > Firewall, it's much less hassle than 3rd party ones.
> >
> Windows firewall will not stop your computer from going places that
> might be unwise to go to. ZA stops both directions in and out.
>
> Rick

Are you using a router?

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Fra" <fralook******.com> wrote in message
news:1161491312.998325.112380@f16g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>I install ZA on my computer but when I connect to internet, in my
> network connections appear a gateway (Internet Connection). Why?
>
> Rick ha escrito:
>
>> Paul Smith wrote:
>> > "Dave C" <DaveC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:CC5B3419-9FEA-4B11-B7B2-0136F597C19A@microsoft.com...
>> >> I've been advised to install the free edition of Zone Alarm firewall
>> >> even
>> >> though I still have XP Home Edition firewall installed. The person
>> >> said they
>> >> can both run at once. Is this true? Is it a good idea?
>> >
>> > As Richard pointed out Zone Alarm will disable the Windows Firewall.
>> >
>> > In my experience however I'd recommend sticking with the Windows
>> > Firewall, it's much less hassle than 3rd party ones.
>> >
>> Windows firewall will not stop your computer from going places that
>> might be unwise to go to. ZA stops both directions in and out.
>>
>> Rick
>

Are you using a router?

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Fra" <fralook******.com> wrote in message
news:1161491312.998325.112380@f16g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>I install ZA on my computer but when I connect to internet, in my
> network connections appear a gateway (Internet Connection). Why?
>
> Rick ha escrito:
>
>> Paul Smith wrote:
>> > "Dave C" <DaveC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:CC5B3419-9FEA-4B11-B7B2-0136F597C19A@microsoft.com...
>> >> I've been advised to install the free edition of Zone Alarm firewall
>> >> even
>> >> though I still have XP Home Edition firewall installed. The person
>> >> said they
>> >> can both run at once. Is this true? Is it a good idea?
>> >
>> > As Richard pointed out Zone Alarm will disable the Windows Firewall.
>> >
>> > In my experience however I'd recommend sticking with the Windows
>> > Firewall, it's much less hassle than 3rd party ones.
>> >
>> Windows firewall will not stop your computer from going places that
>> might be unwise to go to. ZA stops both directions in and out.
>>
>> Rick
>

You absolutely CAN run ZA and WF simultaneously, but to no advantage. ZA
will turn off the WF, BUT ONLY IF IT IS CONFIGURED TO DO SO. Note that if
you DO allow it to turn off WF, it will automatically turn it back on should
you have a need to disable ZA. If you understand the two-way nature of a
good software firewall product and don't mind building allowed exception
tables, ZA is an excellent security enhancement tool and creates minimal
system overhead. Software firewalls can annoy the less experienced user
because they essentially block everything by default, prompting you to choose
to allow exceptions on a case-by-case or permanent basis. Once your table of
permitted exceptions is populated with your common programs, etc. the initial
annoyance is alleviated, however.

NOTE: Best security practice is to use BOTH a hardware and software (i.e.,
"host") firewall as well as good anti-virus software.

J


"Dave C" wrote:

> I've been advised to install the free edition of Zone Alarm firewall even
> though I still have XP Home Edition firewall installed. The person said they
> can both run at once. Is this true? Is it a good idea?