SUSE IS JUNK !!!!!!

Ever since Novell bought out Suse, the quality has gone way down hill.
The last release 10.1 is so full of bugs that it is almost unusable.
They actually released this pile of crap with a broken package manager
!!
Get on the Ubuntu train and you'll never look at Suse again.
Babcock Latreen



Kinglen Wang wrote:
> I am trying to decide whether to load up Slack 11 or if I should try one
> of the more modern, full featured versions of Linux. I am considering SuSE
> 10.1 as well as Ubuntu with the KDE Libs.
> I have heard that SuSE 10.1 is very buggy and that 10.2 will be addressing
> the shortcomings of 10.1.
> Is this true?
> Has anybody compared Ubuntu to SuSE 10.1 with regards to speed and
> features?
> Thanks for any pointers.
> Kinglen Wang
> wangk@entermail.org

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:12:43 -0700, babcock.latreen wrote:

> SUSE IS JUNK !!!!!!
>
> Ever since Novell bought out Suse, the quality has gone way down hill.
> The last release 10.1 is so full of bugs that it is almost unusable.
> They actually released this pile of crap with a broken package manager
> !!
> Get on the Ubuntu train and you'll never look at Suse again.
> Babcock Latreen




Thanks Babcock that's what I suspected. I'm downloading both Ubuntu and
kUbuntu as I write this.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:12:43 -0700, babcock.latreen wrote:

> SUSE IS JUNK !!!!!!
>
> Ever since Novell bought out Suse, the quality has gone way down hill.
> The last release 10.1 is so full of bugs that it is almost unusable.
> They actually released this pile of crap with a broken package manager
> !!
> Get on the Ubuntu train and you'll never look at Suse again.
> Babcock Latreen




Thanks Babcock that's what I suspected. I'm downloading both Ubuntu and
kUbuntu as I write this.

You will love it.....I did the SUSE 10.1 and am back with 9.1 on one machine,
Ubuntu on 2 others Fedora on another; all dual boot. I've tried dozens of
distros and still think Ubuntu is among the top two or three - maybe 1st.

"Kinglen Wang" wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:12:43 -0700, babcock.latreen wrote:
>
> > SUSE IS JUNK !!!!!!
> >
> > Ever since Novell bought out Suse, the quality has gone way down hill.
> > The last release 10.1 is so full of bugs that it is almost unusable.
> > They actually released this pile of crap with a broken package manager
> > !!
> > Get on the Ubuntu train and you'll never look at Suse again.
> > Babcock Latreen
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Babcock that's what I suspected. I'm downloading both Ubuntu and
> kUbuntu as I write this.
>

You will love it.....I did the SUSE 10.1 and am back with 9.1 on one machine,
Ubuntu on 2 others Fedora on another; all dual boot. I've tried dozens of
distros and still think Ubuntu is among the top two or three - maybe 1st.

"Kinglen Wang" wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:12:43 -0700, babcock.latreen wrote:
>
> > SUSE IS JUNK !!!!!!
> >
> > Ever since Novell bought out Suse, the quality has gone way down hill.
> > The last release 10.1 is so full of bugs that it is almost unusable.
> > They actually released this pile of crap with a broken package manager
> > !!
> > Get on the Ubuntu train and you'll never look at Suse again.
> > Babcock Latreen
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Babcock that's what I suspected. I'm downloading both Ubuntu and
> kUbuntu as I write this.
>

babcock.latreen******.com wrote:
> SUSE IS JUNK !!!!!!

Keep in mind that Novell offers OpenSUSE and SUSE Linux Enterprise
Desktop.

OpenSUSE is bare-bones, minimally supported, and contains ONLY OSS
software.

SLED is very well supported, uses a DVD full of software, and has
binary only drivers, patented technology, and other enhancements that
improve the overall quality. For $50, SLED is an outstanding value.
And for an additional annual fee, which is also pretty good, the
support is pretty good.

> Ever since Novell bought out Suse, the quality has gone way down hill.

Something similar happened when Red Hat released version 5.0. Red Hat
4.0 was so good it got awarded product of the year, in a tie with
Windows NT 4.0. Then 4.1 and 4.0 came out and each was so good that NT
4.0 didn't even come close. And 4.3 was so good that it looked for a
while like Microsoft might be in serious trouble.

Then Red Hat got greedy. They released a "Master" CD image that had a
bug. It was a minor bug, and a call to Red Hat could fix it in about 4
minutes. The problem was that if you DIDN'T contact Red Hat, you could
spend days trying to figure out what was wrong.

It's quitel likely that Red Hat was trying to get a better count of how
many people were using Red Hat Linux, and to generate some revnue. The
problem was that when users couldn't get their cheap-bytes CD to
install, Linux users began looking at alternatives such as Mandrake,
TurboLinux, Caldera, and SUSE.

> The last release 10.1 is so full of bugs that it is almost unusable.

Now you have me curious. Since you provide no specifics, the simplest
assumption is that you purchased or assembled a "Linux Hostile"
machine, installed "OpenSUSE" and did it using a LiveCD.

> They actually released this pile of crap with a broken package manager !!

I purchased a commercial copy of SLED, and had no problems getting it
installed on a thinkpad T40. I also had no problem installing the
packages I wanted.

> Get on the Ubuntu train and you'll never look at Suse again.
> Babcock Latreen

Ubuntu is definitely an emerging player. They are doing a lot of
things right.
Many people who want ONLY OSS software on the machine, really like
UBUNU. In many ways, UBUNTU is te fulfillment of Richard Stallman's
dream of an ALL OSS system that functions as well or better than a
proprietary system.

> Kinglen Wang wrote:
> > I am trying to decide whether to load up Slack 11 or if I should try one
> > of the more modern, full featured versions of Linux.

Slack is very popular among those who like their Linux lean and light.
Pat Volkerding elected to create a number of different customized
kernels that provide core drivers and minimal modprobes, providing a
very lean kernel which can run well on even older computers with very
little memory.

> > I am considering SuSE 10.1

I've had VERY good experiences with SUSE 10.0. I haven't had the bug
problems when running SuSE 10.1 in a VM, and there are some nice new
features, especially XGL.

> > as well as Ubuntu with the KDE Libs.

Ubuntu is also very good. I use the VMWare Appliance version, but it's
a good "basic" Linux system.

You might also want to look at LinSpire. They have a nice busness
model, and support program.

With ANY version of Linux, the "Freebie" versions (free as in beer) are
often very good, but usualy involve a lot of manual tweaking and tuning
that isn't required in the "commercial" versions. There are often
better drivers, especially for Video Cards, Printers, USB devices, and
WiFi cards.


> > Kinglen Wang
> > wangk@entermail.org

babcock.latreen******.com wrote:
> SUSE IS JUNK !!!!!!

Keep in mind that Novell offers OpenSUSE and SUSE Linux Enterprise
Desktop.

OpenSUSE is bare-bones, minimally supported, and contains ONLY OSS
software.

SLED is very well supported, uses a DVD full of software, and has
binary only drivers, patented technology, and other enhancements that
improve the overall quality. For $50, SLED is an outstanding value.
And for an additional annual fee, which is also pretty good, the
support is pretty good.

> Ever since Novell bought out Suse, the quality has gone way down hill.

Something similar happened when Red Hat released version 5.0. Red Hat
4.0 was so good it got awarded product of the year, in a tie with
Windows NT 4.0. Then 4.1 and 4.0 came out and each was so good that NT
4.0 didn't even come close. And 4.3 was so good that it looked for a
while like Microsoft might be in serious trouble.

Then Red Hat got greedy. They released a "Master" CD image that had a
bug. It was a minor bug, and a call to Red Hat could fix it in about 4
minutes. The problem was that if you DIDN'T contact Red Hat, you could
spend days trying to figure out what was wrong.

It's quitel likely that Red Hat was trying to get a better count of how
many people were using Red Hat Linux, and to generate some revnue. The
problem was that when users couldn't get their cheap-bytes CD to
install, Linux users began looking at alternatives such as Mandrake,
TurboLinux, Caldera, and SUSE.

> The last release 10.1 is so full of bugs that it is almost unusable.

Now you have me curious. Since you provide no specifics, the simplest
assumption is that you purchased or assembled a "Linux Hostile"
machine, installed "OpenSUSE" and did it using a LiveCD.

> They actually released this pile of crap with a broken package manager !!

I purchased a commercial copy of SLED, and had no problems getting it
installed on a thinkpad T40. I also had no problem installing the
packages I wanted.

> Get on the Ubuntu train and you'll never look at Suse again.
> Babcock Latreen

Ubuntu is definitely an emerging player. They are doing a lot of
things right.
Many people who want ONLY OSS software on the machine, really like
UBUNU. In many ways, UBUNTU is te fulfillment of Richard Stallman's
dream of an ALL OSS system that functions as well or better than a
proprietary system.

> Kinglen Wang wrote:
> > I am trying to decide whether to load up Slack 11 or if I should try one
> > of the more modern, full featured versions of Linux.

Slack is very popular among those who like their Linux lean and light.
Pat Volkerding elected to create a number of different customized
kernels that provide core drivers and minimal modprobes, providing a
very lean kernel which can run well on even older computers with very
little memory.

> > I am considering SuSE 10.1

I've had VERY good experiences with SUSE 10.0. I haven't had the bug
problems when running SuSE 10.1 in a VM, and there are some nice new
features, especially XGL.

> > as well as Ubuntu with the KDE Libs.

Ubuntu is also very good. I use the VMWare Appliance version, but it's
a good "basic" Linux system.

You might also want to look at LinSpire. They have a nice busness
model, and support program.

With ANY version of Linux, the "Freebie" versions (free as in beer) are
often very good, but usualy involve a lot of manual tweaking and tuning
that isn't required in the "commercial" versions. There are often
better drivers, especially for Video Cards, Printers, USB devices, and
WiFi cards.


> > Kinglen Wang
> > wangk@entermail.org

In article <eh9bqp$b1f$1@nntp.aioe.org>,
Kinglen Wang <wangk@entermail.org> wrote:
> Thanks Babcock that's what I suspected. I'm downloading both Ubuntu and
> kUbuntu as I write this.

There's no need to download both of those. You can turn an Ubuntu
installation into a Kubuntu installation with

apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

or by installing the kubuntu-desktop package from synaptic.

--
--Tim Smith

In article <eh9bqp$b1f$1@nntp.aioe.org>,
Kinglen Wang <wangk@entermail.org> wrote:
> Thanks Babcock that's what I suspected. I'm downloading both Ubuntu and
> kUbuntu as I write this.

There's no need to download both of those. You can turn an Ubuntu
installation into a Kubuntu installation with

apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

or by installing the kubuntu-desktop package from synaptic.

--
--Tim Smith

The racist, liar and software thief babcock.latreen (flatfish) nymshifted:

> SUSE IS JUNK !!!!!!
>
> Ever since Novell bought out Suse, the quality has gone way down hill.
> The last release 10.1 is so full of bugs that it is almost unusable.
> They actually released this pile of crap with a broken package manager
> !!
> Get on the Ubuntu train and you'll never look at Suse again.
> Babcock Latreen

Hi flatfish,
still that SuSE-FUD? You've got to use a new record, this one is broken

How's that open relay in Santo Domingo working? Good throughput?

< snip >

--
Anyone can make an omelet with eggs. The trick is to make one with
none.

The racist, liar and software thief babcock.latreen (flatfish) nymshifted:

> SUSE IS JUNK !!!!!!
>
> Ever since Novell bought out Suse, the quality has gone way down hill.
> The last release 10.1 is so full of bugs that it is almost unusable.
> They actually released this pile of crap with a broken package manager
> !!
> Get on the Ubuntu train and you'll never look at Suse again.
> Babcock Latreen

Hi flatfish,
still that SuSE-FUD? You've got to use a new record, this one is broken

How's that open relay in Santo Domingo working? Good throughput?

< snip >

--
Anyone can make an omelet with eggs. The trick is to make one with
none.

Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> writes:

> In article <eh9bqp$b1f$1@nntp.aioe.org>,
> Kinglen Wang <wangk@entermail.org> wrote:
>> Thanks Babcock that's what I suspected. I'm downloading both Ubuntu and
>> kUbuntu as I write this.
>
> There's no need to download both of those. You can turn an Ubuntu
> installation into a Kubuntu installation with
>
> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
>
> or by installing the kubuntu-desktop package from synaptic.

But you might have to go through some hoops to return to gdm/kdm
regardless of the desktop in use. Google has the answers.

--
The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned.
-- Bruce Ediger, bediger@teal.csn.org, on X interfaces

Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> writes:

> In article <eh9bqp$b1f$1@nntp.aioe.org>,
> Kinglen Wang <wangk@entermail.org> wrote:
>> Thanks Babcock that's what I suspected. I'm downloading both Ubuntu and
>> kUbuntu as I write this.
>
> There's no need to download both of those. You can turn an Ubuntu
> installation into a Kubuntu installation with
>
> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
>
> or by installing the kubuntu-desktop package from synaptic.

But you might have to go through some hoops to return to gdm/kdm
regardless of the desktop in use. Google has the answers.

--
The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned.
-- Bruce Ediger, bediger@teal.csn.org, on X interfaces

babcock.latreen******.com (flatfish) wrote:

>SUSE IS JUNK !!!!!!

*plonk*

babcock.latreen******.com (flatfish) wrote:

>SUSE IS JUNK !!!!!!

*plonk*