On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:15:07 -0700, "Mark G." <askmefirst@comcast.net>
wrote:

>In the past with my hardware upgrades I have had a combination of IDE and
>SATA hard drives. Seems everytime I decide to do a fresh install of XP, I
>would run into an issue with trying to set a SATA drive as the first drive
>or the drive I in install windows on. With my new hardware, all I will be
>running is SATA drives, no more IDE's with the exception of plugging one in
>to retrieve some data after the initial reinstall. So with the newer
>motherboards and where XP is concerned, is this an issue with this new
>technology? What I mean is, do you still have to go through the route of
>providing the SIL drivers when you get to that point in the install? Just
>curious since it has been a couple of years since I have had a new
>motherboard and I do not recall if this was a limitation of windows or of
>the hardware itself. Thanks much for any input!
>
Sounds like you're talking about two different issues: setting the
first drive and having to load device drivers.

The motherboard BIOS arranges the disk drives in some default order,
but provides the ability to rearrange the drive order via BIOS setup.

You only have to load the SIL drivers during Windows setup if the SATA
disk is connected to a SIL SATA interface. If the drive is connected
to the chipset SATA interface, you most likely will not have to load
any driver during setup.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:15:07 -0700, "Mark G." <askmefirst@comcast.net>
wrote:

>In the past with my hardware upgrades I have had a combination of IDE and
>SATA hard drives. Seems everytime I decide to do a fresh install of XP, I
>would run into an issue with trying to set a SATA drive as the first drive
>or the drive I in install windows on. With my new hardware, all I will be
>running is SATA drives, no more IDE's with the exception of plugging one in
>to retrieve some data after the initial reinstall. So with the newer
>motherboards and where XP is concerned, is this an issue with this new
>technology? What I mean is, do you still have to go through the route of
>providing the SIL drivers when you get to that point in the install? Just
>curious since it has been a couple of years since I have had a new
>motherboard and I do not recall if this was a limitation of windows or of
>the hardware itself. Thanks much for any input!
>
Sounds like you're talking about two different issues: setting the
first drive and having to load device drivers.

The motherboard BIOS arranges the disk drives in some default order,
but provides the ability to rearrange the drive order via BIOS setup.

You only have to load the SIL drivers during Windows setup if the SATA
disk is connected to a SIL SATA interface. If the drive is connected
to the chipset SATA interface, you most likely will not have to load
any driver during setup.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:15:07 -0700, "Mark G." <askmefirst@comcast.net>
wrote:

>In the past with my hardware upgrades I have had a combination of IDE and
>SATA hard drives. Seems everytime I decide to do a fresh install of XP, I
>would run into an issue with trying to set a SATA drive as the first drive
>or the drive I in install windows on. With my new hardware, all I will be
>running is SATA drives, no more IDE's with the exception of plugging one in
>to retrieve some data after the initial reinstall. So with the newer
>motherboards and where XP is concerned, is this an issue with this new
>technology? What I mean is, do you still have to go through the route of
>providing the SIL drivers when you get to that point in the install? Just
>curious since it has been a couple of years since I have had a new
>motherboard and I do not recall if this was a limitation of windows or of
>the hardware itself. Thanks much for any input!
>
Sounds like you're talking about two different issues: setting the
first drive and having to load device drivers.

The motherboard BIOS arranges the disk drives in some default order,
but provides the ability to rearrange the drive order via BIOS setup.

You only have to load the SIL drivers during Windows setup if the SATA
disk is connected to a SIL SATA interface. If the drive is connected
to the chipset SATA interface, you most likely will not have to load
any driver during setup.

If the system chipset controls the SATA drives, then he won't need a floppy.
If the SATA controller is a third party chip, like Jmicron or Silicon Image
he probably will need the floppy.

F6 is easy to miss as it is at the beginning of the install process.

"peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:egebH$t9HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Yes to be on the safe side you will need to place your MoBo SATA drivers
> on a floppy and during the installation process let XP find and
> install..F6 need to be pushed for this to happen.
> peter
> "Mark G." <askmefirst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:uBw5Eap9HHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> In the past with my hardware upgrades I have had a combination of IDE and
>> SATA hard drives. Seems everytime I decide to do a fresh install of XP, I
>> would run into an issue with trying to set a SATA drive as the first
>> drive or the drive I in install windows on. With my new hardware, all I
>> will be running is SATA drives, no more IDE's with the exception of
>> plugging one in to retrieve some data after the initial reinstall. So
>> with the newer motherboards and where XP is concerned, is this an issue
>> with this new technology? What I mean is, do you still have to go through
>> the route of providing the SIL drivers when you get to that point in the
>> install? Just curious since it has been a couple of years since I have
>> had a new motherboard and I do not recall if this was a limitation of
>> windows or of the hardware itself. Thanks much for any input!
>>
>

If the system chipset controls the SATA drives, then he won't need a floppy.
If the SATA controller is a third party chip, like Jmicron or Silicon Image
he probably will need the floppy.

F6 is easy to miss as it is at the beginning of the install process.

"peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:egebH$t9HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Yes to be on the safe side you will need to place your MoBo SATA drivers
> on a floppy and during the installation process let XP find and
> install..F6 need to be pushed for this to happen.
> peter
> "Mark G." <askmefirst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:uBw5Eap9HHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> In the past with my hardware upgrades I have had a combination of IDE and
>> SATA hard drives. Seems everytime I decide to do a fresh install of XP, I
>> would run into an issue with trying to set a SATA drive as the first
>> drive or the drive I in install windows on. With my new hardware, all I
>> will be running is SATA drives, no more IDE's with the exception of
>> plugging one in to retrieve some data after the initial reinstall. So
>> with the newer motherboards and where XP is concerned, is this an issue
>> with this new technology? What I mean is, do you still have to go through
>> the route of providing the SIL drivers when you get to that point in the
>> install? Just curious since it has been a couple of years since I have
>> had a new motherboard and I do not recall if this was a limitation of
>> windows or of the hardware itself. Thanks much for any input!
>>
>

If the system chipset controls the SATA drives, then he won't need a floppy.
If the SATA controller is a third party chip, like Jmicron or Silicon Image
he probably will need the floppy.

F6 is easy to miss as it is at the beginning of the install process.

"peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:egebH$t9HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Yes to be on the safe side you will need to place your MoBo SATA drivers
> on a floppy and during the installation process let XP find and
> install..F6 need to be pushed for this to happen.
> peter
> "Mark G." <askmefirst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:uBw5Eap9HHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> In the past with my hardware upgrades I have had a combination of IDE and
>> SATA hard drives. Seems everytime I decide to do a fresh install of XP, I
>> would run into an issue with trying to set a SATA drive as the first
>> drive or the drive I in install windows on. With my new hardware, all I
>> will be running is SATA drives, no more IDE's with the exception of
>> plugging one in to retrieve some data after the initial reinstall. So
>> with the newer motherboards and where XP is concerned, is this an issue
>> with this new technology? What I mean is, do you still have to go through
>> the route of providing the SIL drivers when you get to that point in the
>> install? Just curious since it has been a couple of years since I have
>> had a new motherboard and I do not recall if this was a limitation of
>> windows or of the hardware itself. Thanks much for any input!
>>
>

If the system chipset controls the SATA drives, then he won't need a floppy.
If the SATA controller is a third party chip, like Jmicron or Silicon Image
he probably will need the floppy.

F6 is easy to miss as it is at the beginning of the install process.

"peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:egebH$t9HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Yes to be on the safe side you will need to place your MoBo SATA drivers
> on a floppy and during the installation process let XP find and
> install..F6 need to be pushed for this to happen.
> peter
> "Mark G." <askmefirst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:uBw5Eap9HHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> In the past with my hardware upgrades I have had a combination of IDE and
>> SATA hard drives. Seems everytime I decide to do a fresh install of XP, I
>> would run into an issue with trying to set a SATA drive as the first
>> drive or the drive I in install windows on. With my new hardware, all I
>> will be running is SATA drives, no more IDE's with the exception of
>> plugging one in to retrieve some data after the initial reinstall. So
>> with the newer motherboards and where XP is concerned, is this an issue
>> with this new technology? What I mean is, do you still have to go through
>> the route of providing the SIL drivers when you get to that point in the
>> install? Just curious since it has been a couple of years since I have
>> had a new motherboard and I do not recall if this was a limitation of
>> windows or of the hardware itself. Thanks much for any input!
>>
>

"peter" wrote:
> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>> "peter" wrote:
>>> "Homer J. Simpson" wrote:
>>>>> Hmmm.... "floppy"? What's a floppy? Maybe you meant "CD"?
>>>>
>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the F6 custom driver option *still* to
>>>> this day only look for floppies?
>>>>
>>> yes it does.....XP will only search the floppy drive during the
>>> installation.
>>> peter
>>
>> And what if there is no floppy drive (whatever THAT is). ;-)
>>
>> *TimDaniels*
>>
> Then you have a couple of choices........
> .go buy one or slipstream the SATA drivers into your XP CD
> Any thing else I can help you with ??
> peter


I'm not the OP who needs the help. The OP stated:
"So with the newer motherboards and where XP
is concerned, is this an issue with this new technology?"

With a "newer motherboard", there may be no floppy
controller. That's where he may need your advice.

*TimDaniels*

"peter" wrote:
> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>> "peter" wrote:
>>> "Homer J. Simpson" wrote:
>>>>> Hmmm.... "floppy"? What's a floppy? Maybe you meant "CD"?
>>>>
>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the F6 custom driver option *still* to
>>>> this day only look for floppies?
>>>>
>>> yes it does.....XP will only search the floppy drive during the
>>> installation.
>>> peter
>>
>> And what if there is no floppy drive (whatever THAT is). ;-)
>>
>> *TimDaniels*
>>
> Then you have a couple of choices........
> .go buy one or slipstream the SATA drivers into your XP CD
> Any thing else I can help you with ??
> peter


I'm not the OP who needs the help. The OP stated:
"So with the newer motherboards and where XP
is concerned, is this an issue with this new technology?"

With a "newer motherboard", there may be no floppy
controller. That's where he may need your advice.

*TimDaniels*

"peter" wrote:
> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>> "peter" wrote:
>>> "Homer J. Simpson" wrote:
>>>>> Hmmm.... "floppy"? What's a floppy? Maybe you meant "CD"?
>>>>
>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the F6 custom driver option *still* to
>>>> this day only look for floppies?
>>>>
>>> yes it does.....XP will only search the floppy drive during the
>>> installation.
>>> peter
>>
>> And what if there is no floppy drive (whatever THAT is). ;-)
>>
>> *TimDaniels*
>>
> Then you have a couple of choices........
> .go buy one or slipstream the SATA drivers into your XP CD
> Any thing else I can help you with ??
> peter


I'm not the OP who needs the help. The OP stated:
"So with the newer motherboards and where XP
is concerned, is this an issue with this new technology?"

With a "newer motherboard", there may be no floppy
controller. That's where he may need your advice.

*TimDaniels*

"peter" wrote:
> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>> "peter" wrote:
>>> "Homer J. Simpson" wrote:
>>>>> Hmmm.... "floppy"? What's a floppy? Maybe you meant "CD"?
>>>>
>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the F6 custom driver option *still* to
>>>> this day only look for floppies?
>>>>
>>> yes it does.....XP will only search the floppy drive during the
>>> installation.
>>> peter
>>
>> And what if there is no floppy drive (whatever THAT is). ;-)
>>
>> *TimDaniels*
>>
> Then you have a couple of choices........
> .go buy one or slipstream the SATA drivers into your XP CD
> Any thing else I can help you with ??
> peter


I'm not the OP who needs the help. The OP stated:
"So with the newer motherboards and where XP
is concerned, is this an issue with this new technology?"

With a "newer motherboard", there may be no floppy
controller. That's where he may need your advice.

*TimDaniels*

Mark did not give us the name of his mobo and by his question he still has a
mobo with both SATA and PATA connectors.
My latest install on a Gigabyte GA-N650SLI-DS4 which has 4 SATA and 2 PATA
required me to use the floppy method.
Yes...some of the newer mobo do not require you to use the floppy .......but
some still do and as such with a generic question such as posted by Mark it
is better to be prepared for the floppy than have the person attempt his
install only to find out he needs the floppy ...
peter
"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:uJph6f19HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:egebH$t9HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Yes to be on the safe side you will need to place your MoBo SATA drivers
>> on a floppy and during the installation process let XP find and
>> install..F6 need to be pushed for this to happen.
>> peter
>> "Mark G." <askmefirst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:uBw5Eap9HHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> In the past with my hardware upgrades I have had a combination of IDE
>>> and SATA hard drives. Seems everytime I decide to do a fresh install of
>>> XP, I would run into an issue with trying to set a SATA drive as the
>>> first drive or the drive I in install windows on. With my new hardware,
>>> all I will be running is SATA drives, no more IDE's with the exception
>>> of plugging one in to retrieve some data after the initial reinstall. So
>>> with the newer motherboards and where XP is concerned, is this an issue
>>> with this new technology? What I mean is, do you still have to go
>>> through the route of providing the SIL drivers when you get to that
>>> point in the install? Just curious since it has been a couple of years
>>> since I have had a new motherboard and I do not recall if this was a
>>> limitation of windows or of the hardware itself. Thanks much for any
>>> input!
>>>
> Are you sure that modern 'SATA' only motherboards require SATA drivers to
> be loaded from a floppy? It was my understanding that the SATA drivers
> are encoded in the chipset drivers.
>
> I acknowledge you did put 'on the safe side' in your response but I doubt
> if SATA drivers have to be loaded discretely for new boards that is.
>

Mark did not give us the name of his mobo and by his question he still has a
mobo with both SATA and PATA connectors.
My latest install on a Gigabyte GA-N650SLI-DS4 which has 4 SATA and 2 PATA
required me to use the floppy method.
Yes...some of the newer mobo do not require you to use the floppy .......but
some still do and as such with a generic question such as posted by Mark it
is better to be prepared for the floppy than have the person attempt his
install only to find out he needs the floppy ...
peter
"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:uJph6f19HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:egebH$t9HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Yes to be on the safe side you will need to place your MoBo SATA drivers
>> on a floppy and during the installation process let XP find and
>> install..F6 need to be pushed for this to happen.
>> peter
>> "Mark G." <askmefirst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:uBw5Eap9HHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> In the past with my hardware upgrades I have had a combination of IDE
>>> and SATA hard drives. Seems everytime I decide to do a fresh install of
>>> XP, I would run into an issue with trying to set a SATA drive as the
>>> first drive or the drive I in install windows on. With my new hardware,
>>> all I will be running is SATA drives, no more IDE's with the exception
>>> of plugging one in to retrieve some data after the initial reinstall. So
>>> with the newer motherboards and where XP is concerned, is this an issue
>>> with this new technology? What I mean is, do you still have to go
>>> through the route of providing the SIL drivers when you get to that
>>> point in the install? Just curious since it has been a couple of years
>>> since I have had a new motherboard and I do not recall if this was a
>>> limitation of windows or of the hardware itself. Thanks much for any
>>> input!
>>>
> Are you sure that modern 'SATA' only motherboards require SATA drivers to
> be loaded from a floppy? It was my understanding that the SATA drivers
> are encoded in the chipset drivers.
>
> I acknowledge you did put 'on the safe side' in your response but I doubt
> if SATA drivers have to be loaded discretely for new boards that is.
>

Mark did not give us the name of his mobo and by his question he still has a
mobo with both SATA and PATA connectors.
My latest install on a Gigabyte GA-N650SLI-DS4 which has 4 SATA and 2 PATA
required me to use the floppy method.
Yes...some of the newer mobo do not require you to use the floppy .......but
some still do and as such with a generic question such as posted by Mark it
is better to be prepared for the floppy than have the person attempt his
install only to find out he needs the floppy ...
peter
"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:uJph6f19HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:egebH$t9HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Yes to be on the safe side you will need to place your MoBo SATA drivers
>> on a floppy and during the installation process let XP find and
>> install..F6 need to be pushed for this to happen.
>> peter
>> "Mark G." <askmefirst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:uBw5Eap9HHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> In the past with my hardware upgrades I have had a combination of IDE
>>> and SATA hard drives. Seems everytime I decide to do a fresh install of
>>> XP, I would run into an issue with trying to set a SATA drive as the
>>> first drive or the drive I in install windows on. With my new hardware,
>>> all I will be running is SATA drives, no more IDE's with the exception
>>> of plugging one in to retrieve some data after the initial reinstall. So
>>> with the newer motherboards and where XP is concerned, is this an issue
>>> with this new technology? What I mean is, do you still have to go
>>> through the route of providing the SIL drivers when you get to that
>>> point in the install? Just curious since it has been a couple of years
>>> since I have had a new motherboard and I do not recall if this was a
>>> limitation of windows or of the hardware itself. Thanks much for any
>>> input!
>>>
> Are you sure that modern 'SATA' only motherboards require SATA drivers to
> be loaded from a floppy? It was my understanding that the SATA drivers
> are encoded in the chipset drivers.
>
> I acknowledge you did put 'on the safe side' in your response but I doubt
> if SATA drivers have to be loaded discretely for new boards that is.
>

Mark did not give us the name of his mobo and by his question he still has a
mobo with both SATA and PATA connectors.
My latest install on a Gigabyte GA-N650SLI-DS4 which has 4 SATA and 2 PATA
required me to use the floppy method.
Yes...some of the newer mobo do not require you to use the floppy .......but
some still do and as such with a generic question such as posted by Mark it
is better to be prepared for the floppy than have the person attempt his
install only to find out he needs the floppy ...
peter
"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:uJph6f19HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:egebH$t9HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Yes to be on the safe side you will need to place your MoBo SATA drivers
>> on a floppy and during the installation process let XP find and
>> install..F6 need to be pushed for this to happen.
>> peter
>> "Mark G." <askmefirst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:uBw5Eap9HHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> In the past with my hardware upgrades I have had a combination of IDE
>>> and SATA hard drives. Seems everytime I decide to do a fresh install of
>>> XP, I would run into an issue with trying to set a SATA drive as the
>>> first drive or the drive I in install windows on. With my new hardware,
>>> all I will be running is SATA drives, no more IDE's with the exception
>>> of plugging one in to retrieve some data after the initial reinstall. So
>>> with the newer motherboards and where XP is concerned, is this an issue
>>> with this new technology? What I mean is, do you still have to go
>>> through the route of providing the SIL drivers when you get to that
>>> point in the install? Just curious since it has been a couple of years
>>> since I have had a new motherboard and I do not recall if this was a
>>> limitation of windows or of the hardware itself. Thanks much for any
>>> input!
>>>
> Are you sure that modern 'SATA' only motherboards require SATA drivers to
> be loaded from a floppy? It was my understanding that the SATA drivers
> are encoded in the chipset drivers.
>
> I acknowledge you did put 'on the safe side' in your response but I doubt
> if SATA drivers have to be loaded discretely for new boards that is.
>