Hello !

Am I right in saying that restoring an image of a clean XP *oem*
installation onto a clean drive will not require activation on the same
computer ?

If not, will it require re-activation after 120 days when xp does an new
audit ?

Thank you lots.

Peter wrote:
> Hello !
>
> Am I right in saying that restoring an image of a clean XP *oem*
> installation onto a clean drive will not require activation on the same
> computer ?

Depends if the image was activated or not.

>
> If not, will it require re-activation after 120 days when xp does an new
> audit ?
>
> Thank you lots.

No such "audit". After 120 days, XP wipes the slate clean and,
effectively, you could install a generic OEM on an entirely different
computer and it would activate on line without any problems.

If you're sick of activation and genuine advantage in all of its
flavors, check out Linux Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com

Advantages over XP:

1. No activation.

2. No Windows Genuine Advantage scams.

3. No need for an anti virus or firewall. A router firewall is enough.

4. No need for anti spy/ad/mal ware programs such as Spybot or AdAware.

5. The Ubuntu update updates *everything* on your computer, not just the
operating system.

6. Thousands of programs to choose from and all are free.

7. Great support through on line forums, Usenet and IRC.

8. It's free and you can install it on as many computers as your little
heart desires.


Alias

Alias wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>> Hello !
>>
>> Am I right in saying that restoring an image of a clean XP *oem*
>> installation onto a clean drive will not require activation on the
>> same computer ?
>
> Depends if the image was activated or not.
>
>>
>> If not, will it require re-activation after 120 days when xp does an
>> new audit ?
>>
>> Thank you lots.
>
> No such "audit". After 120 days, XP wipes the slate clean and,
> effectively, you could install a generic OEM on an entirely different
> computer and it would activate on line without any problems.
>
> If you're sick of activation and genuine advantage in all of its
> flavors, check out Linux Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com
>
> Advantages over XP:
>
> 1. No activation.
>
> 2. No Windows Genuine Advantage scams.
>
> 3. No need for an anti virus or firewall. A router firewall is enough.
>
> 4. No need for anti spy/ad/mal ware programs such as Spybot or
> AdAware.
> 5. The Ubuntu update updates *everything* on your computer, not just
> the operating system.
>
> 6. Thousands of programs to choose from and all are free.
>
> 7. Great support through on line forums, Usenet and IRC.
>
> 8. It's free and you can install it on as many computers as your
> little heart desires.
>
>
> Alias

Those are the pros; now how about the very real cons? You're telling a
one-sided story without knowing what the OP would be trying to accomplish
and steering him to a whole new learning curve.

Hi Alias,

At least *you gave me some useful info...thx!

Yes I'll be trying Ubuntu. Already have a knoppix Live Cd but it's a bit too
slow for me.

I hope to activate XP and then make an image to avoid the B.S. of
'verifying' my ID to M$.

First M$ advised to flash the bios. This stops the oem product. Then they
insist on calling them and spewing out some 50 odd numbers. It's all numbers
to M$. People are just numbers, and numbers are $$$.

I have even been reading up on trying a crack but WHY should I ?


"Alias" <alsoknownas@maskedandanonymous.ru> wrote in message
news:uC0#yqvjHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Peter wrote:
>> Hello !
>>
>> Am I right in saying that restoring an image of a clean XP *oem*
>> installation onto a clean drive will not require activation on the same
>> computer ?
>
> Depends if the image was activated or not.




>> If not, will it require re-activation after 120 days when xp does an new
>> audit ?
>>
>> Thank you lots.
>
> No such "audit". After 120 days, XP wipes the slate clean and,
> effectively, you could install a generic OEM on an entirely different
> computer and it would activate on line without any problems.
>
> If you're sick of activation and genuine advantage in all of its flavors,
> check out Linux Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com
>
> Advantages over XP:
>
> 1. No activation.
>
> 2. No Windows Genuine Advantage scams.
>
> 3. No need for an anti virus or firewall. A router firewall is enough.
>
> 4. No need for anti spy/ad/mal ware programs such as Spybot or AdAware.
>
> 5. The Ubuntu update updates *everything* on your computer, not just the
> operating system.
>
> 6. Thousands of programs to choose from and all are free.
>
> 7. Great support through on line forums, Usenet and IRC.
>
> 8. It's free and you can install it on as many computers as your little
> heart desires.
>
>
> Alias

Poprivet wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Peter wrote:
>>> Hello !
>>>
>>> Am I right in saying that restoring an image of a clean XP *oem*
>>> installation onto a clean drive will not require activation on the
>>> same computer ?
>> Depends if the image was activated or not.
>>
>>> If not, will it require re-activation after 120 days when xp does an
>>> new audit ?
>>>
>>> Thank you lots.
>> No such "audit". After 120 days, XP wipes the slate clean and,
>> effectively, you could install a generic OEM on an entirely different
>> computer and it would activate on line without any problems.
>>
>> If you're sick of activation and genuine advantage in all of its
>> flavors, check out Linux Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com
>>
>> Advantages over XP:
>>
>> 1. No activation.
>>
>> 2. No Windows Genuine Advantage scams.
>>
>> 3. No need for an anti virus or firewall. A router firewall is enough.
>>
>> 4. No need for anti spy/ad/mal ware programs such as Spybot or
>> AdAware.
>> 5. The Ubuntu update updates *everything* on your computer, not just
>> the operating system.
>>
>> 6. Thousands of programs to choose from and all are free.
>>
>> 7. Great support through on line forums, Usenet and IRC.
>>
>> 8. It's free and you can install it on as many computers as your
>> little heart desires.
>>
>>
>> Alias
>
> Those are the pros; now how about the very real cons? You're telling a
> one-sided story without knowing what the OP would be trying to accomplish
> and steering him to a whole new learning curve.

Two questions were answered, one about XP and another about an
alternative to having to activate, become "genuine", etc.

If you have any cons you'd like to express, by all means, feel free. If
all you can do it spew "cons" about the messenger, I'm not really
surprised or interested.

Alias

Peter wrote:
> Hi Alias,
>
> At least *you gave me some useful info...thx!

You're welcome.

>
> Yes I'll be trying Ubuntu. Already have a knoppix Live Cd but it's a bit
> too slow for me.

Be sure and try Feisty Fawn 7.04.

>
> I hope to activate XP and then make an image to avoid the B.S. of
> 'verifying' my ID to M$.

That would do it.

>
> First M$ advised to flash the bios. This stops the oem product. Then
> they insist on calling them and spewing out some 50 odd numbers. It's
> all numbers to M$. People are just numbers, and numbers are $$$.

Activation, WGA, WGA/N, etc. is the main reason I'm learning Ubuntu.
That and not having to spend so much money. I have three computers and
to put Ulitmate on all of them will set me back $2,400 US Dollars. To
put Ubuntu on them costs me no money and far less time.

>
> I have even been reading up on trying a crack but WHY should I ?

Exactly.

Alias
>
>
> "Alias" <alsoknownas@maskedandanonymous.ru> wrote in message
> news:uC0#yqvjHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Peter wrote:
>>> Hello !
>>>
>>> Am I right in saying that restoring an image of a clean XP *oem*
>>> installation onto a clean drive will not require activation on the
>>> same computer ?
>>
>> Depends if the image was activated or not.
>
>
>
>
>>> If not, will it require re-activation after 120 days when xp does an
>>> new audit ?
>>>
>>> Thank you lots.
>>
>> No such "audit". After 120 days, XP wipes the slate clean and,
>> effectively, you could install a generic OEM on an entirely different
>> computer and it would activate on line without any problems.
>>
>> If you're sick of activation and genuine advantage in all of its
>> flavors, check out Linux Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com
>>
>> Advantages over XP:
>>
>> 1. No activation.
>>
>> 2. No Windows Genuine Advantage scams.
>>
>> 3. No need for an anti virus or firewall. A router firewall is enough.
>>
>> 4. No need for anti spy/ad/mal ware programs such as Spybot or AdAware.
>>
>> 5. The Ubuntu update updates *everything* on your computer, not just
>> the operating system.
>>
>> 6. Thousands of programs to choose from and all are free.
>>
>> 7. Great support through on line forums, Usenet and IRC.
>>
>> 8. It's free and you can install it on as many computers as your
>> little heart desires.
>>
>>
>> Alias
>

Alias wrote:
>
>
> No such "audit". After 120 days, XP wipes the slate clean ...


Is this a deliberate mis-statement, or are trying ignorant of the
actual process?


> ... and, effectively, you could install a generic OEM on an entirely different
> computer and it would activate on line without any problems.
>


Assuming the OP has no integrity....


Dishonest spam-vertisement snipped...


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Poprivet wrote:
>
>
> Those are the pros; now how about the very real cons? You're telling a
> one-sided story ....



And lying in much of that.


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Peter wrote:
> Hi Alias,
>
> At least *you gave me some useful info...thx!
>


It won't be as useful as one might think; much of it was simply untrue.


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Bruce Chambers wrote:
> Poprivet wrote:
>>
>>
>> Those are the pros; now how about the very real cons? You're telling
>> a one-sided story ....
>
>
>
> And lying in much of that.
>
>

Really? Like what?

Alias

Bruce Chambers wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>>
>>
>> No such "audit". After 120 days, XP wipes the slate clean ...
>
>
> Is this a deliberate mis-statement, or are trying ignorant of the
> actual process?

No, it's true.

>
>
>> ... and, effectively, you could install a generic OEM on an entirely
>> different computer and it would activate on line without any problems.
>>
>
>
> Assuming the OP has no integrity....

Not relevant. Technically, it can be done.

>
>
> Dishonest spam-vertisement snipped...

My, get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, Bruce? What was
dishonest?

Alias
>
>

"Peter" <Peter@nospam.net> wrote
> Hello !
>
> Am I right in saying that restoring an image of a clean XP *oem*
> installation onto a clean drive will not require activation on the same
> computer ?
>
> If not, will it require re-activation after 120 days when xp does an new
> audit ?

Do you mean the same drive it had been on or a new drive? Depending on what
other changes had been made to the system between the last time it was
activated and now, imaging to a different drive could swing the balance to
require activation. See this link for info on product activation and how to
save the vote based on the hard drive.

http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

Alias wrote:
> Bruce Chambers wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> No such "audit". After 120 days, XP wipes the slate clean ...
>>
>>
>> Is this a deliberate mis-statement, or are trying ignorant of the
>> actual process?
>
> No, it's true.

Nonsense. WinXP wipes no slates clean. Microsoft, however, does purge
old activation information from the servers after 120 days. So now we
know, you were ignorant of the true process. Try a little light reading
to prevent such future mistakes:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


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Alias wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> And lying in much of that.
>>
>>
>
> Really? Like what?
>

They've been pointed out to you before. We understand that you've no
interest in the facts.


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Bruce Chambers wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Bruce Chambers wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No such "audit". After 120 days, XP wipes the slate clean ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this a deliberate mis-statement, or are trying ignorant of the
>>> actual process?
>>
>> No, it's true.
>
> Nonsense. WinXP wipes no slates clean. Microsoft, however, does
> purge old activation information from the servers after 120 days.

Which is, of course, what I meant.

Alias
So
> now we know, you were ignorant of the true process. Try a little light
> reading to prevent such future mistakes:
>
> Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/
>
> Windows Product Activation (WPA)
> http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm
>
>