I like to use the tablet to take notes, draw sketches, sometimes draft
articles in longhand. Journal is really good for that, with its
choices of pens and colors, and the smooth writing and nearly
full-screen page. But Journal is not typing friendly as far as I can
tell.

I would also like to be able to type things and keep them organized.
OneNote seems pretty good at that, although it is sort of
"pre-organized" in the sense that you have to go where you want things
to be, and then put them there, to use it smoothly. But even OneNote
2007 just treats ink as an afterthought, with scratchy pen response
and no decent pen tips.

EverNote is simple, in that it is mostly just a big stream.
Organization isn't impossible, and you can probalby use it in a
"pre-organized mode" if I understand ti. Its pens and pen response are
better than OneNote, but it doesn't want to give you a lot of space to
write and seems not to have a decent way of expanding the paper for
the pen.

Franklin TabletPlanner seems to have been replaced with a new product
(or product name). I haven't tried the new one but am fiddling with
the TabletPlanner. It is, as the name implies, organized more around
planning, which has some good aspects, as I am certainly not more
organized than I ought to be. But its ink handling is mostly weak.

It would be great to settle on one tool, but none of these seems to me
to have the right balance for me.

I'm interested to hear from other people who like to work in both ink
and typed text, and what you use and why. Especially if the right
product is out there and I just happen to have missed it.

Thanks,

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com

Have you looked at GoBinder by Agilix, Ron? Although it's made for
students, it's very easy to customize things for other types of
organization. There are also a lot of additional features.
--

Terri Stratton
Microsoft Featured Community
http://thetabletpc.net
Editor/Owner
http://writepc.net
Microsoft Windows MVP- Tablet PC

"Ron Jeffries" <ronjeffries@acm.org> wrote in message
news:4pnnt21r6232bi30etn3l6lmdb8arlg7t6@4ax.com...
>I like to use the tablet to take notes, draw sketches, sometimes draft
> articles in longhand. Journal is really good for that, with its
> choices of pens and colors, and the smooth writing and nearly
> full-screen page. But Journal is not typing friendly as far as I can
> tell.
>
> I would also like to be able to type things and keep them organized.
> OneNote seems pretty good at that, although it is sort of
> "pre-organized" in the sense that you have to go where you want things
> to be, and then put them there, to use it smoothly. But even OneNote
> 2007 just treats ink as an afterthought, with scratchy pen response
> and no decent pen tips.
>
> EverNote is simple, in that it is mostly just a big stream.
> Organization isn't impossible, and you can probalby use it in a
> "pre-organized mode" if I understand ti. Its pens and pen response are
> better than OneNote, but it doesn't want to give you a lot of space to
> write and seems not to have a decent way of expanding the paper for
> the pen.
>
> Franklin TabletPlanner seems to have been replaced with a new product
> (or product name). I haven't tried the new one but am fiddling with
> the TabletPlanner. It is, as the name implies, organized more around
> planning, which has some good aspects, as I am certainly not more
> organized than I ought to be. But its ink handling is mostly weak.
>
> It would be great to settle on one tool, but none of these seems to me
> to have the right balance for me.
>
> I'm interested to hear from other people who like to work in both ink
> and typed text, and what you use and why. Especially if the right
> product is out there and I just happen to have missed it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Jeffries
> www.XProgramming.com

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:56:26 -0800, "terri" <terri@no.mvps.spam.org>
wrote:

>Have you looked at GoBinder by Agilix, Ron? Although it's made for
>students, it's very easy to customize things for other types of
>organization. There are also a lot of additional features.

Thanks for the reminder, terri ... I've got a trial copy here and
haven't really given it the chance I've given the others.

I used EverNote exclusively today and with a zoomed ink screen it's
not bad. I do like Journal's "paper" handling a bit better but EN
isn't bad.

I can't help wondering why Microsoft can't plug the Journal paper
handling into OneNote. It's all one company, and Bill Gates was
supposed to be all hot for tablets. Oh well ...

Thanks, I'll dig into GoBinder a bit. Any particular hiddenish
features you'd call out to me?

Thanks again,

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com

Windows Journal has been an "exercise" to show the capabilities of Ink on a
Tablet PC running Windows XP, and not available on a regular laptop or
desktop installation. Totally separate developers and programmers, while
OneNote was designed for either Tablet or regular PC use from the ground up.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Ron Jeffries" <ronjeffries@acm.org> wrote in message
news:lmqpt29i4l12kcbqe8q585r30qr3i29c5r@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:56:26 -0800, "terri" <terri@no.mvps.spam.org>
> wrote:
>
>>Have you looked at GoBinder by Agilix, Ron? Although it's made for
>>students, it's very easy to customize things for other types of
>>organization. There are also a lot of additional features.
>
> Thanks for the reminder, terri ... I've got a trial copy here and
> haven't really given it the chance I've given the others.
>
> I used EverNote exclusively today and with a zoomed ink screen it's
> not bad. I do like Journal's "paper" handling a bit better but EN
> isn't bad.
>
> I can't help wondering why Microsoft can't plug the Journal paper
> handling into OneNote. It's all one company, and Bill Gates was
> supposed to be all hot for tablets. Oh well ...
>
> Thanks, I'll dig into GoBinder a bit. Any particular hiddenish
> features you'd call out to me?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Ron Jeffries
> www.XProgramming.com

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:04:48 -0800, "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com>
wrote:

>Windows Journal has been an "exercise" to show the capabilities of Ink on a
>Tablet PC running Windows XP, and not available on a regular laptop or
>desktop installation. Totally separate developers and programmers, while
>OneNote was designed for either Tablet or regular PC use from the ground up.

I understand that that's the story. However, OneNote's abilities with
ink pale in comparison wo those of Journal, or for that matter those
of GoBinder, now that I've played with it for a while. If the OneNote
people had a clue, or management did, they'd recognize that the
exercise beat the real thing, and demand a synthesis.

I wasn't there to watch OneNote being built but it behaves much more
as if ink was grafted on than designed in. I mean, come on, no control
over pen color, pressure, chisel vs rount point ... I don't mean to
rain on anyone's parade but this is no flagship tablet product.

I base this observation on very long experience with pen devices,
starting with the Momenta and moving through practically every other
pen-based device that has come along. The Tablet PC is better than
what has gone before in some ways, but I'd not consider OneNote to be
the pinnacle of the art so far.

Journal understands ink and paper much better than OneNote. Sketchbook
and ArtRage understand drawing better ... though not the pen as pen. A
random guy in Ann Arbor made the tablet understand pen UML, and I've
seen no Microsoft product that understands ink except to try to
convert it to typing.

It's great that the tablet is as good as it is: I'm glad I have mine,
and it's the second one I have had. It is also disappointing that
there is so little progress, and so little synthesis of what's out
there, to really take the tablet to the next level.

My guess is that there's no one really pushing a vision of what a
tablet should be. I'd be glad to write them a white paper if I thought
it would help ... :)

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com

Believe me, a lot of use have blue faces from talking with people about how
it "should" be. LOL!
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Ron Jeffries" <ronjeffries@acm.org> wrote in message
news:vcqst2djkgtra3ld9tgbtesnac2t1aomt6@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:04:48 -0800, "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Windows Journal has been an "exercise" to show the capabilities of Ink on
>>a
>>Tablet PC running Windows XP, and not available on a regular laptop or
>>desktop installation. Totally separate developers and programmers, while
>>OneNote was designed for either Tablet or regular PC use from the ground
>>up.
>
> I understand that that's the story. However, OneNote's abilities with
> ink pale in comparison wo those of Journal, or for that matter those
> of GoBinder, now that I've played with it for a while. If the OneNote
> people had a clue, or management did, they'd recognize that the
> exercise beat the real thing, and demand a synthesis.
>
> I wasn't there to watch OneNote being built but it behaves much more
> as if ink was grafted on than designed in. I mean, come on, no control
> over pen color, pressure, chisel vs rount point ... I don't mean to
> rain on anyone's parade but this is no flagship tablet product.
>
> I base this observation on very long experience with pen devices,
> starting with the Momenta and moving through practically every other
> pen-based device that has come along. The Tablet PC is better than
> what has gone before in some ways, but I'd not consider OneNote to be
> the pinnacle of the art so far.
>
> Journal understands ink and paper much better than OneNote. Sketchbook
> and ArtRage understand drawing better ... though not the pen as pen. A
> random guy in Ann Arbor made the tablet understand pen UML, and I've
> seen no Microsoft product that understands ink except to try to
> convert it to typing.
>
> It's great that the tablet is as good as it is: I'm glad I have mine,
> and it's the second one I have had. It is also disappointing that
> there is so little progress, and so little synthesis of what's out
> there, to really take the tablet to the next level.
>
> My guess is that there's no one really pushing a vision of what a
> tablet should be. I'd be glad to write them a white paper if I thought
> it would help ... :)
>
> Ron Jeffries
> www.XProgramming.com

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:37:13 -0800, "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com>
wrote:

>Believe me, a lot of use have blue faces from talking with people about how
>it "should" be. LOL!

I hear ya. It remains disappointing. There's a lot of potential here.

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com

On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffr...@acm.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:56:26 -0800, "terri" <t...@no.mvps.spam.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Have you looked at GoBinder by Agilix, Ron? Although it's made for
> >students, it's very easy to customize things for other types of
> >organization. There are also a lot of additional features.
>
> Thanks for the reminder, terri ... I've got a trial copy here and
> haven't really given it the chance I've given the others.
....
>
> Thanks, I'll dig into GoBinder a bit. Any particular hiddenish
> features you'd call out to me?

Note that the GoBinder product is exactly what the new Franklin
planner is similar to. Franklin took the GoBinder product and build
their new product around it. Thus it function is very Similar to
Gobinder but geared more to the base Franklin planner users.

Agilix, the creators of GoBinder, Blackboard Backpack, etc.,
(http://www.agilix.com/) is the software company behind the FranklinCovey
PlanPlus offering (among other things) so it isn't surprising things are
very similar.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Mike H" <mike8675309******.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffr...@acm.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:56:26 -0800, "terri" <t...@no.mvps.spam.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Have you looked at GoBinder by Agilix, Ron? Although it's made for
>> >students, it's very easy to customize things for other types of
>> >organization. There are also a lot of additional features.
>>
>> Thanks for the reminder, terri ... I've got a trial copy here and
>> haven't really given it the chance I've given the others.
> ...
>>
>> Thanks, I'll dig into GoBinder a bit. Any particular hiddenish
>> features you'd call out to me?
>
> Note that the GoBinder product is exactly what the new Franklin
> planner is similar to. Franklin took the GoBinder product and build
> their new product around it. Thus it function is very Similar to
> Gobinder but geared more to the base Franklin planner users.
>

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:58:47 -0800, "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com>
wrote:

>Agilix, the creators of GoBinder, Blackboard Backpack, etc.,
>(http://www.agilix.com/) is the software company behind the FranklinCovey
>PlanPlus offering (among other things) so it isn't surprising things are
>very similar.

Mike H, Chris H (are you guys related?),

Thanks, that's interesting. There are things I actually like better
about the Franklin trial product, and I imagine I might like PlanPlus,
which may or may not be just rebranded TabletPlanner (do you happen to
know what differences there are?)

I do like the pen handling of GoBinder -- used it a bunch yesterday
and it was pretty smooth. TabletPlanner is similar, of course.

Just tried to find a way to download a trial of PlanPlus but couldn't
find it, though I found where I could buy it. And the Franklin link to
support email is broken. Sometimes people make it so hard to spend
money ...

Thanks,

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com

Ron, try here -
http://www.franklincovey.com/fc/get_...download_trial
--

Terri Stratton
Microsoft Featured Community
http://thetabletpc.net
Editor/Owner
http://writepc.net
Microsoft Windows MVP- Tablet PC


"Ron Jeffries" <ronjeffries@acm.org> wrote in message
news:tl80u216do8vmrsf741rqej7p9g0ocqmr4@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:58:47 -0800, "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Agilix, the creators of GoBinder, Blackboard Backpack, etc.,
>>(http://www.agilix.com/) is the software company behind the FranklinCovey
>>PlanPlus offering (among other things) so it isn't surprising things are
>>very similar.
>
> Mike H, Chris H (are you guys related?),
>
> Thanks, that's interesting. There are things I actually like better
> about the Franklin trial product, and I imagine I might like PlanPlus,
> which may or may not be just rebranded TabletPlanner (do you happen to
> know what differences there are?)
>
> I do like the pen handling of GoBinder -- used it a bunch yesterday
> and it was pretty smooth. TabletPlanner is similar, of course.
>
> Just tried to find a way to download a trial of PlanPlus but couldn't
> find it, though I found where I could buy it. And the Franklin link to
> support email is broken. Sometimes people make it so hard to spend
> money ...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Jeffries
> www.XProgramming.com

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:49:32 -0800, "terri" <terri@no.mvps.spam.org>
wrote:

>Ron, try here -
>http://www.franklincovey.com/fc/get_...download_trial

Thanks, terri ... I dug all around ... how did you find that? ;->

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com

On Feb 25, 11:35 am, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffr...@acm.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:49:32 -0800, "terri" <t...@no.mvps.spam.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Ron, try here -
> >http://www.franklincovey.com/fc/get_...c_planning_sys...
>
> Thanks, terri ... I dug all around ... how did you find that? ;->
>
> Ron Jeffrieswww.XProgramming.com

Ron,

Not sure what the differences are between the gobinder and the
franklin product. But my impression when checking into the products
was that the gobinder was going to get updates a little faster than
the Franklin product. This due to the close relationship of the
software developer to the gobinder product. As well as the education
market being quite a bit more interactive.

I've purchased the Franklin product, and in general found it very
useful. The biggest thing I've asked them for and wish it had was the
recording capability like OneNote has. That has got to be the main
must have feature in One note for me, the ability to record a meeting
and tie it to the notes you take as the meeting goes along. If
Franklin had it, it would do everything I need.

But we can't always have everything we need.

On Feb 21, 1:04 am, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffr...@acm.org> wrote:
> I like to use the tablet to take notes, draw sketches, sometimes draft
> articles in longhand. Journal is really good for that, with its
> choices of pens and colors, and the smooth writing and nearly
> full-screen page. But Journal is not typing friendly as far as I can
> tell.
> Ron Jeffrieswww.XProgramming.com

Hmmm .. most post isn't showing ....

Try Googgy Twonote.
It has (1) better typing support, (2) URL grabbing when copy/pasting
from IE, (3) insert hyperlinks, (4) Grouping functions, (5) and it
works on tablets and desktops.

It also has TABS ! It's like windows Journal, but good.

Searched Google for PlanPlus demo. :)
--

Terri Stratton
Microsoft Featured Community
http://thetabletpc.net
Editor/Owner
http://writepc.net
Microsoft Windows MVP- Tablet PC


"Ron Jeffries" <ronjeffries@acm.org> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:49:32 -0800, "terri" <terri@no.mvps.spam.org>
> wrote:
>
>>Ron, try here -
>>http://www.franklincovey.com/fc/get_...download_trial
>
> Thanks, terri ... I dug all around ... how did you find that? ;->
>
> Ron Jeffries
> www.XProgramming.com