So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start the
tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech buttons are
gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the "welcome to speech..." crap
and wants me to train a new profile.

I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the name, it's
like it just lost the training files.

This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the profile and
later restore it after this happens. Any way to either make it stop, or
back it up to restore when it happens again? All this re-training is
starting to cut into my time pretty bad.

--
Jordan Mills

Jordan, there is a means to back up your speech information:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
I'm more concerned with the "lost" portion and why that is happening.

Could you please post back with more information, such as which Tablet PC
you're running, whether you're running Windows XP SP2 and the Tablet PC
Edition 2005 or not, and try to think back to when this condition first
started and whether or not you've installed a specific program just before
this started.

If you can pinpoint a specific point where you noticed the issue, you can
use a Restore Point from System Restore to move back before the problem
started.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
news:%23cUqdVwgFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start the
> tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech buttons are
> gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the "welcome to speech..."
> crap and wants me to train a new profile.
>
> I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the name,
> it's like it just lost the training files.
>
> This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the profile and
> later restore it after this happens. Any way to either make it stop, or
> back it up to restore when it happens again? All this re-training is
> starting to cut into my time pretty bad.
>
> --
> Jordan Mills
>

Windows xp sp2 tablet pc edition. No software installs.

Actually, I had just installed the fix to the ink memory leak (and despite
the disclamer, I did need it). I can't recall any software installs causing
it before. We have restore points turned off too. Thanks, I'll use the
link.

--
Jordan Mills
"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:eNUAMiwgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Jordan, there is a means to back up your speech information:
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
> I'm more concerned with the "lost" portion and why that is happening.
>
> Could you please post back with more information, such as which Tablet PC
> you're running, whether you're running Windows XP SP2 and the Tablet PC
> Edition 2005 or not, and try to think back to when this condition first
> started and whether or not you've installed a specific program just before
> this started.
>
> If you can pinpoint a specific point where you noticed the issue, you can
> use a Restore Point from System Restore to move back before the problem
> started.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
> news:%23cUqdVwgFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start the
>> tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech buttons are
>> gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the "welcome to speech..."
>> crap and wants me to train a new profile.
>>
>> I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the name,
>> it's like it just lost the training files.
>>
>> This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the profile and
>> later restore it after this happens. Any way to either make it stop, or
>> back it up to restore when it happens again? All this re-training is
>> starting to cut into my time pretty bad.
>>
>> --
>> Jordan Mills
>>
>
>

Thanks for the information. You're only using the built-in Tablet PC
speech, correct? There is no third-party speech program installed? Are you
using a separate User account, and not "the" Administrator account, correct?
Do you have multiple user accounts created, beside your account? If you
have the situation of your account and the Admin account, could you create
another User and do a short training session with it to see if that also
disappears?
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
news:uS6D3mwgFHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Windows xp sp2 tablet pc edition. No software installs.
>
> Actually, I had just installed the fix to the ink memory leak (and despite
> the disclamer, I did need it). I can't recall any software installs
> causing it before. We have restore points turned off too. Thanks, I'll
> use the link.
>
> --
> Jordan Mills
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:eNUAMiwgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Jordan, there is a means to back up your speech information:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
>> I'm more concerned with the "lost" portion and why that is happening.
>>
>> Could you please post back with more information, such as which Tablet PC
>> you're running, whether you're running Windows XP SP2 and the Tablet PC
>> Edition 2005 or not, and try to think back to when this condition first
>> started and whether or not you've installed a specific program just
>> before this started.
>>
>> If you can pinpoint a specific point where you noticed the issue, you can
>> use a Restore Point from System Restore to move back before the problem
>> started.
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>
>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23cUqdVwgFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start the
>>> tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech buttons are
>>> gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the "welcome to speech..."
>>> crap and wants me to train a new profile.
>>>
>>> I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the name,
>>> it's like it just lost the training files.
>>>
>>> This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the profile
>>> and later restore it after this happens. Any way to either make it
>>> stop, or back it up to restore when it happens again? All this
>>> re-training is starting to cut into my time pretty bad.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jordan Mills
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Correct on all:
Built in speech, nothing else added
Not using the administrator account (but I am an administrator, dumb work
policies)
There are other accounts on the computer, and it's in a domain with plenty
more (using local profile storage, no roaming profiles on the server)

I'll see about setting up another trained profile under another user

--
Jordan Mills
"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:eidK3twgFHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for the information. You're only using the built-in Tablet PC
> speech, correct? There is no third-party speech program installed? Are
> you using a separate User account, and not "the" Administrator account,
> correct? Do you have multiple user accounts created, beside your account?
> If you have the situation of your account and the Admin account, could you
> create another User and do a short training session with it to see if that
> also disappears?
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
> news:uS6D3mwgFHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Windows xp sp2 tablet pc edition. No software installs.
>>
>> Actually, I had just installed the fix to the ink memory leak (and
>> despite the disclamer, I did need it). I can't recall any software
>> installs causing it before. We have restore points turned off too.
>> Thanks, I'll use the link.
>>
>> --
>> Jordan Mills
>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>> news:eNUAMiwgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Jordan, there is a means to back up your speech information:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
>>> I'm more concerned with the "lost" portion and why that is happening.
>>>
>>> Could you please post back with more information, such as which Tablet
>>> PC you're running, whether you're running Windows XP SP2 and the Tablet
>>> PC Edition 2005 or not, and try to think back to when this condition
>>> first started and whether or not you've installed a specific program
>>> just before this started.
>>>
>>> If you can pinpoint a specific point where you noticed the issue, you
>>> can use a Restore Point from System Restore to move back before the
>>> problem started.
>>> --
>>> Chris H.
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23cUqdVwgFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start the
>>>> tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech buttons
>>>> are gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the "welcome to
>>>> speech..." crap and wants me to train a new profile.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the name,
>>>> it's like it just lost the training files.
>>>>
>>>> This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the profile
>>>> and later restore it after this happens. Any way to either make it
>>>> stop, or back it up to restore when it happens again? All this
>>>> re-training is starting to cut into my time pretty bad.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Thanks, Jordan. I honestly haven't heard of this issue before. Hopefully
we'll be able to figure out what has happened, and how to correct it.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
news:epMDe1wgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Correct on all:
> Built in speech, nothing else added
> Not using the administrator account (but I am an administrator, dumb work
> policies)
> There are other accounts on the computer, and it's in a domain with plenty
> more (using local profile storage, no roaming profiles on the server)
>
> I'll see about setting up another trained profile under another user
>
> --
> Jordan Mills
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:eidK3twgFHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks for the information. You're only using the built-in Tablet PC
>> speech, correct? There is no third-party speech program installed? Are
>> you using a separate User account, and not "the" Administrator account,
>> correct? Do you have multiple user accounts created, beside your account?
>> If you have the situation of your account and the Admin account, could
>> you create another User and do a short training session with it to see if
>> that also disappears?
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>
>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>> news:uS6D3mwgFHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Windows xp sp2 tablet pc edition. No software installs.
>>>
>>> Actually, I had just installed the fix to the ink memory leak (and
>>> despite the disclamer, I did need it). I can't recall any software
>>> installs causing it before. We have restore points turned off too.
>>> Thanks, I'll use the link.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jordan Mills
>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eNUAMiwgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> Jordan, there is a means to back up your speech information:
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
>>>> I'm more concerned with the "lost" portion and why that is happening.
>>>>
>>>> Could you please post back with more information, such as which Tablet
>>>> PC you're running, whether you're running Windows XP SP2 and the Tablet
>>>> PC Edition 2005 or not, and try to think back to when this condition
>>>> first started and whether or not you've installed a specific program
>>>> just before this started.
>>>>
>>>> If you can pinpoint a specific point where you noticed the issue, you
>>>> can use a Restore Point from System Restore to move back before the
>>>> problem started.
>>>> --
>>>> Chris H.
>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>> Associate Expert
>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23cUqdVwgFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>> So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start the
>>>>> tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech buttons
>>>>> are gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the "welcome to
>>>>> speech..." crap and wants me to train a new profile.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the
>>>>> name, it's like it just lost the training files.
>>>>>
>>>>> This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the profile
>>>>> and later restore it after this happens. Any way to either make it
>>>>> stop, or back it up to restore when it happens again? All this
>>>>> re-training is starting to cut into my time pretty bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Odd, it's happened on two separate computers on two separate networks (both
that I've bothered with speech training on). Thanks for looking at it.

--
Jordan Mills
"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:uTVy9AxgFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Thanks, Jordan. I honestly haven't heard of this issue before. Hopefully
> we'll be able to figure out what has happened, and how to correct it.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
> news:epMDe1wgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Correct on all:
>> Built in speech, nothing else added
>> Not using the administrator account (but I am an administrator, dumb work
>> policies)
>> There are other accounts on the computer, and it's in a domain with
>> plenty more (using local profile storage, no roaming profiles on the
>> server)
>>
>> I'll see about setting up another trained profile under another user
>>
>> --
>> Jordan Mills
>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>> news:eidK3twgFHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks for the information. You're only using the built-in Tablet PC
>>> speech, correct? There is no third-party speech program installed? Are
>>> you using a separate User account, and not "the" Administrator account,
>>> correct? Do you have multiple user accounts created, beside your
>>> account? If you have the situation of your account and the Admin
>>> account, could you create another User and do a short training session
>>> with it to see if that also disappears?
>>> --
>>> Chris H.
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uS6D3mwgFHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> Windows xp sp2 tablet pc edition. No software installs.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I had just installed the fix to the ink memory leak (and
>>>> despite the disclamer, I did need it). I can't recall any software
>>>> installs causing it before. We have restore points turned off too.
>>>> Thanks, I'll use the link.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eNUAMiwgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Jordan, there is a means to back up your speech information:
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
>>>>> I'm more concerned with the "lost" portion and why that is happening.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you please post back with more information, such as which Tablet
>>>>> PC you're running, whether you're running Windows XP SP2 and the
>>>>> Tablet PC Edition 2005 or not, and try to think back to when this
>>>>> condition first started and whether or not you've installed a specific
>>>>> program just before this started.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can pinpoint a specific point where you noticed the issue, you
>>>>> can use a Restore Point from System Restore to move back before the
>>>>> problem started.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris H.
>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23cUqdVwgFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start the
>>>>>> tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech buttons
>>>>>> are gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the "welcome to
>>>>>> speech..." crap and wants me to train a new profile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the
>>>>>> name, it's like it just lost the training files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the profile
>>>>>> and later restore it after this happens. Any way to either make it
>>>>>> stop, or back it up to restore when it happens again? All this
>>>>>> re-training is starting to cut into my time pretty bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

I did some more training, and now when I try to export the profile it gives
me this (I had to do an OCR of a screenshot, so it's all gunked up, but you
can probably get the general idea - the trailing keys are right):
ERROR: failed to read file (C: ocuments and Seftngsjcal SettngsApplicabon
Data 1icrosoftlpeech' esv1SASRP_F9E5549 1D397446095048F04069AA05A.dat) for
key (1033\L1033. tpc) Please insure that speech is installed and that no
programs which use speech (such as Office) are open, then try again.

ERROR: faded to read file (C: ocuments and Settngsj3ocal
Settngs\Applicaton...58035.dat) for key (AM031033.fpr)

Please insure that speech is installed and that no programs which use speech
(such as Office) are open, then try again.

ERROR: failed to read file (C: ocuments and Settil Seftngs,Applicabon Data
irosoftpeech'ilesYv1SASRP_C704007E42545D2A22 10E5DE9F25282.dat) for key
(AM03.1033am)

Please insure that speech is installed and that no programs which use speech
(such as Office) are open, then try again.

ERROR: speaker export failed.


--
Jordan Mills

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:uTVy9AxgFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Thanks, Jordan. I honestly haven't heard of this issue before. Hopefully
> we'll be able to figure out what has happened, and how to correct it.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
> news:epMDe1wgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Correct on all:
>> Built in speech, nothing else added
>> Not using the administrator account (but I am an administrator, dumb work
>> policies)
>> There are other accounts on the computer, and it's in a domain with
>> plenty more (using local profile storage, no roaming profiles on the
>> server)
>>
>> I'll see about setting up another trained profile under another user
>>
>> --
>> Jordan Mills
>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>> news:eidK3twgFHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks for the information. You're only using the built-in Tablet PC
>>> speech, correct? There is no third-party speech program installed? Are
>>> you using a separate User account, and not "the" Administrator account,
>>> correct? Do you have multiple user accounts created, beside your
>>> account? If you have the situation of your account and the Admin
>>> account, could you create another User and do a short training session
>>> with it to see if that also disappears?
>>> --
>>> Chris H.
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uS6D3mwgFHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> Windows xp sp2 tablet pc edition. No software installs.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I had just installed the fix to the ink memory leak (and
>>>> despite the disclamer, I did need it). I can't recall any software
>>>> installs causing it before. We have restore points turned off too.
>>>> Thanks, I'll use the link.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eNUAMiwgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Jordan, there is a means to back up your speech information:
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
>>>>> I'm more concerned with the "lost" portion and why that is happening.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you please post back with more information, such as which Tablet
>>>>> PC you're running, whether you're running Windows XP SP2 and the
>>>>> Tablet PC Edition 2005 or not, and try to think back to when this
>>>>> condition first started and whether or not you've installed a specific
>>>>> program just before this started.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can pinpoint a specific point where you noticed the issue, you
>>>>> can use a Restore Point from System Restore to move back before the
>>>>> problem started.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris H.
>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23cUqdVwgFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start the
>>>>>> tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech buttons
>>>>>> are gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the "welcome to
>>>>>> speech..." crap and wants me to train a new profile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the
>>>>>> name, it's like it just lost the training files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the profile
>>>>>> and later restore it after this happens. Any way to either make it
>>>>>> stop, or back it up to restore when it happens again? All this
>>>>>> re-training is starting to cut into my time pretty bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Okay, perhaps a false alarm. I had to restart, then log off and back on
again. It worked on the third try.

--
Jordan Mills
"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:uTVy9AxgFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Thanks, Jordan. I honestly haven't heard of this issue before. Hopefully
> we'll be able to figure out what has happened, and how to correct it.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
> news:epMDe1wgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Correct on all:
>> Built in speech, nothing else added
>> Not using the administrator account (but I am an administrator, dumb work
>> policies)
>> There are other accounts on the computer, and it's in a domain with
>> plenty more (using local profile storage, no roaming profiles on the
>> server)
>>
>> I'll see about setting up another trained profile under another user
>>
>> --
>> Jordan Mills
>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>> news:eidK3twgFHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks for the information. You're only using the built-in Tablet PC
>>> speech, correct? There is no third-party speech program installed? Are
>>> you using a separate User account, and not "the" Administrator account,
>>> correct? Do you have multiple user accounts created, beside your
>>> account? If you have the situation of your account and the Admin
>>> account, could you create another User and do a short training session
>>> with it to see if that also disappears?
>>> --
>>> Chris H.
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uS6D3mwgFHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> Windows xp sp2 tablet pc edition. No software installs.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I had just installed the fix to the ink memory leak (and
>>>> despite the disclamer, I did need it). I can't recall any software
>>>> installs causing it before. We have restore points turned off too.
>>>> Thanks, I'll use the link.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eNUAMiwgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Jordan, there is a means to back up your speech information:
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
>>>>> I'm more concerned with the "lost" portion and why that is happening.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you please post back with more information, such as which Tablet
>>>>> PC you're running, whether you're running Windows XP SP2 and the
>>>>> Tablet PC Edition 2005 or not, and try to think back to when this
>>>>> condition first started and whether or not you've installed a specific
>>>>> program just before this started.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can pinpoint a specific point where you noticed the issue, you
>>>>> can use a Restore Point from System Restore to move back before the
>>>>> problem started.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris H.
>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23cUqdVwgFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start the
>>>>>> tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech buttons
>>>>>> are gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the "welcome to
>>>>>> speech..." crap and wants me to train a new profile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the
>>>>>> name, it's like it just lost the training files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the profile
>>>>>> and later restore it after this happens. Any way to either make it
>>>>>> stop, or back it up to restore when it happens again? All this
>>>>>> re-training is starting to cut into my time pretty bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Oh boy, Jordan. Much better than those cryptic hieroglyphics! 8-) Are
things okay now with the newly created account?
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
news:%23kgqO1zgFHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Okay, perhaps a false alarm. I had to restart, then log off and back on
> again. It worked on the third try.
>
> --
> Jordan Mills
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:uTVy9AxgFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks, Jordan. I honestly haven't heard of this issue before.
>> Hopefully we'll be able to figure out what has happened, and how to
>> correct it.
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>
>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>> news:epMDe1wgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Correct on all:
>>> Built in speech, nothing else added
>>> Not using the administrator account (but I am an administrator, dumb
>>> work policies)
>>> There are other accounts on the computer, and it's in a domain with
>>> plenty more (using local profile storage, no roaming profiles on the
>>> server)
>>>
>>> I'll see about setting up another trained profile under another user
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jordan Mills
>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eidK3twgFHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> Thanks for the information. You're only using the built-in Tablet PC
>>>> speech, correct? There is no third-party speech program installed?
>>>> Are you using a separate User account, and not "the" Administrator
>>>> account, correct? Do you have multiple user accounts created, beside
>>>> your account? If you have the situation of your account and the Admin
>>>> account, could you create another User and do a short training session
>>>> with it to see if that also disappears?
>>>> --
>>>> Chris H.
>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>> Associate Expert
>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:uS6D3mwgFHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Windows xp sp2 tablet pc edition. No software installs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, I had just installed the fix to the ink memory leak (and
>>>>> despite the disclamer, I did need it). I can't recall any software
>>>>> installs causing it before. We have restore points turned off too.
>>>>> Thanks, I'll use the link.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eNUAMiwgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Jordan, there is a means to back up your speech information:
>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
>>>>>> I'm more concerned with the "lost" portion and why that is happening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you please post back with more information, such as which
>>>>>> Tablet PC you're running, whether you're running Windows XP SP2 and
>>>>>> the Tablet PC Edition 2005 or not, and try to think back to when this
>>>>>> condition first started and whether or not you've installed a
>>>>>> specific program just before this started.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you can pinpoint a specific point where you noticed the issue, you
>>>>>> can use a Restore Point from System Restore to move back before the
>>>>>> problem started.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Chris H.
>>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:%23cUqdVwgFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start
>>>>>>> the tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech
>>>>>>> buttons are gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the
>>>>>>> "welcome to speech..." crap and wants me to train a new profile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the
>>>>>>> name, it's like it just lost the training files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the
>>>>>>> profile and later restore it after this happens. Any way to either
>>>>>>> make it stop, or back it up to restore when it happens again? All
>>>>>>> this re-training is starting to cut into my time pretty bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Haven't had much time to test the new one. Got kinda busy at work today.
No losses yet. But I'll give it a few days before I stop watching it so
close.

It looks like the tool basically goes through some files (they look kinda
like registry hives?) in your profile and extracts certain files in them to
save elsewhere. It seemed to be having trouble making sense of the files.
I guess something had them locked, but it was pretty persistent.

--
Jordan Mills
"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:uaFYY70gFHA.2152@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Oh boy, Jordan. Much better than those cryptic hieroglyphics! 8-) Are
> things okay now with the newly created account?
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
> news:%23kgqO1zgFHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Okay, perhaps a false alarm. I had to restart, then log off and back on
>> again. It worked on the third try.
>>
>> --
>> Jordan Mills
>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>> news:uTVy9AxgFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks, Jordan. I honestly haven't heard of this issue before.
>>> Hopefully we'll be able to figure out what has happened, and how to
>>> correct it.
>>> --
>>> Chris H.
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>> news:epMDe1wgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> Correct on all:
>>>> Built in speech, nothing else added
>>>> Not using the administrator account (but I am an administrator, dumb
>>>> work policies)
>>>> There are other accounts on the computer, and it's in a domain with
>>>> plenty more (using local profile storage, no roaming profiles on the
>>>> server)
>>>>
>>>> I'll see about setting up another trained profile under another user
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eidK3twgFHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Thanks for the information. You're only using the built-in Tablet PC
>>>>> speech, correct? There is no third-party speech program installed?
>>>>> Are you using a separate User account, and not "the" Administrator
>>>>> account, correct? Do you have multiple user accounts created, beside
>>>>> your account? If you have the situation of your account and the Admin
>>>>> account, could you create another User and do a short training session
>>>>> with it to see if that also disappears?
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris H.
>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uS6D3mwgFHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Windows xp sp2 tablet pc edition. No software installs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, I had just installed the fix to the ink memory leak (and
>>>>>> despite the disclamer, I did need it). I can't recall any software
>>>>>> installs causing it before. We have restore points turned off too.
>>>>>> Thanks, I'll use the link.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eNUAMiwgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Jordan, there is a means to back up your speech information:
>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
>>>>>>> I'm more concerned with the "lost" portion and why that is
>>>>>>> happening.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you please post back with more information, such as which
>>>>>>> Tablet PC you're running, whether you're running Windows XP SP2 and
>>>>>>> the Tablet PC Edition 2005 or not, and try to think back to when
>>>>>>> this condition first started and whether or not you've installed a
>>>>>>> specific program just before this started.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you can pinpoint a specific point where you noticed the issue,
>>>>>>> you can use a Restore Point from System Restore to move back before
>>>>>>> the problem started.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Chris H.
>>>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:%23cUqdVwgFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start
>>>>>>>> the tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech
>>>>>>>> buttons are gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the
>>>>>>>> "welcome to speech..." crap and wants me to train a new profile.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the
>>>>>>>> name, it's like it just lost the training files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the
>>>>>>>> profile and later restore it after this happens. Any way to either
>>>>>>>> make it stop, or back it up to restore when it happens again? All
>>>>>>>> this re-training is starting to cut into my time pretty bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

I really don't know what that program does (and a lot of others, too), but
hopefully the situation will stabilize for you with the new user's data.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
news:u8c0Nj1gFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Haven't had much time to test the new one. Got kinda busy at work today.
> No losses yet. But I'll give it a few days before I stop watching it so
> close.
>
> It looks like the tool basically goes through some files (they look kinda
> like registry hives?) in your profile and extracts certain files in them
> to save elsewhere. It seemed to be having trouble making sense of the
> files. I guess something had them locked, but it was pretty persistent.
>
> --
> Jordan Mills
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:uaFYY70gFHA.2152@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Oh boy, Jordan. Much better than those cryptic hieroglyphics! 8-) Are
>> things okay now with the newly created account?
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>
>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23kgqO1zgFHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Okay, perhaps a false alarm. I had to restart, then log off and back on
>>> again. It worked on the third try.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jordan Mills
>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uTVy9AxgFHA.3868@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>> Thanks, Jordan. I honestly haven't heard of this issue before.
>>>> Hopefully we'll be able to figure out what has happened, and how to
>>>> correct it.
>>>> --
>>>> Chris H.
>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>> Associate Expert
>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:epMDe1wgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Correct on all:
>>>>> Built in speech, nothing else added
>>>>> Not using the administrator account (but I am an administrator, dumb
>>>>> work policies)
>>>>> There are other accounts on the computer, and it's in a domain with
>>>>> plenty more (using local profile storage, no roaming profiles on the
>>>>> server)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll see about setting up another trained profile under another user
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eidK3twgFHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Thanks for the information. You're only using the built-in Tablet PC
>>>>>> speech, correct? There is no third-party speech program installed?
>>>>>> Are you using a separate User account, and not "the" Administrator
>>>>>> account, correct? Do you have multiple user accounts created, beside
>>>>>> your account? If you have the situation of your account and the Admin
>>>>>> account, could you create another User and do a short training
>>>>>> session with it to see if that also disappears?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Chris H.
>>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:uS6D3mwgFHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Windows xp sp2 tablet pc edition. No software installs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, I had just installed the fix to the ink memory leak (and
>>>>>>> despite the disclamer, I did need it). I can't recall any software
>>>>>>> installs causing it before. We have restore points turned off too.
>>>>>>> Thanks, I'll use the link.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eNUAMiwgFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Jordan, there is a means to back up your speech information:
>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
>>>>>>>> I'm more concerned with the "lost" portion and why that is
>>>>>>>> happening.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you please post back with more information, such as which
>>>>>>>> Tablet PC you're running, whether you're running Windows XP SP2 and
>>>>>>>> the Tablet PC Edition 2005 or not, and try to think back to when
>>>>>>>> this condition first started and whether or not you've installed a
>>>>>>>> specific program just before this started.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you can pinpoint a specific point where you noticed the issue,
>>>>>>>> you can use a Restore Point from System Restore to move back before
>>>>>>>> the problem started.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Chris H.
>>>>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>>>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jordan Mills" <usenet@spam.me.later.jordanmills.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message news:%23cUqdVwgFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> So this is the fourth time this has happened in a month. I start
>>>>>>>>> the tablet, the input panel comes up like normal, but the speech
>>>>>>>>> buttons are gone. I do the tool/speech, and it gives me the
>>>>>>>>> "welcome to speech..." crap and wants me to train a new profile.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've tried setting up an alternate profile, and it still sees the
>>>>>>>>> name, it's like it just lost the training files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This wouldn't be so bad if there were some way to back up the
>>>>>>>>> profile and later restore it after this happens. Any way to
>>>>>>>>> either make it stop, or back it up to restore when it happens
>>>>>>>>> again? All this re-training is starting to cut into my time
>>>>>>>>> pretty bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jordan Mills
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>