This is perhaps a more generic WinXP question, but it "gets me" the most =

when I'm using the tablet, with less screen space than other monitors. I =
am=20
forever scrolling around looking for things among cascaded windows or=20
too-small-windows.

When I sort a window by the modification date column, is there __any__ =
way=20
to get Windows to acknowledge that something __inside__ a folder was=20
modified more recently than the folder creation date (without opening =
the=20
folders or laboriously checking property sheets)? ---or that the folder =
is=20
newer than the contents?=20

I receive a lot of files from others, so I don't always know the =
specifics of I'm=20
looking for, such a name of file, or file format. And many times they =
are not=20
at all careful to send me only what is the final version. (Along with, I =
often=20
get copies, save-as documents, and related files that weren't actually=20
included in the final version.)

Having spent so many years in the Mac environment, as well, I am=20
continually aggravated by the difference between platforms in the file =
dating=20
default process. Within the MacOS, when I copy a file from a Mac to the=20
server, it does not get a new date, just because I copied it. But in =
WinXP, I=20
usually end up having to copy files enclosed in folders to prevent this =
from=20
happening. So when I sort by date, I get a folder date sort instead of a =

contents sort.

Any ideas are welcome!

There are several choices available (View/Details) when viewing folders or
files in Windows Explorer, including Date Modified, Date Created and Date
Accessed - all of which can be used at the same time for comparison.
Perhaps you haven't covered all the available selections?
--
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
In memory of a true friend, Windows MVP Alex Nichol

Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"romy" <roz@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:0b4601c54282$35890100$a501280a@phx.gbl...
This is perhaps a more generic WinXP question, but it "gets me" the most
when I'm using the tablet, with less screen space than other monitors. I am
forever scrolling around looking for things among cascaded windows or
too-small-windows.

When I sort a window by the modification date column, is there __any__ way
to get Windows to acknowledge that something __inside__ a folder was
modified more recently than the folder creation date (without opening the
folders or laboriously checking property sheets)? ---or that the folder is
newer than the contents?

I receive a lot of files from others, so I don't always know the specifics
of I'm
looking for, such a name of file, or file format. And many times they are
not
at all careful to send me only what is the final version. (Along with, I
often
get copies, save-as documents, and related files that weren't actually
included in the final version.)

Having spent so many years in the Mac environment, as well, I am
continually aggravated by the difference between platforms in the file
dating
default process. Within the MacOS, when I copy a file from a Mac to the
server, it does not get a new date, just because I copied it. But in WinXP,
I
usually end up having to copy files enclosed in folders to prevent this from
happening. So when I sort by date, I get a folder date sort instead of a
contents sort.

Any ideas are welcome!

I appreciate these suggestions; I am aware of these other options.=20

But actually, I think these choices are more of the problem than a =
solution.

The date accessed is no good to me at all because it picks up the last =
time=20
__I, myself__ was in the file (trying to figure out what it was) rather =
than the=20
last use of the person who sent it to me. And date created commonly =
turns=20
out to be more recent than date modified, if you save-as to another =
server=20
or location. It still seems utterly insane to me that a file could have =
been=20
"created" after it was modified, but save-as will do that to you.

Even when I __don't__ open a file, if it's in a folder that's copied to =
the=20
server, the file picks up the date and time of the move as the last time =
it's=20
accessed. To me, if I don't open a file (or try to) I did _NOT_ "access" =
it.

Is there __any__ way to move an item to a different drive or server =
without=20
changing its time stamp-- like a right-click or keyboard shortcut or =
some=20
such trick?

I dont know how the mac file system works but thats just a waste of extra
bits in the fat (how ever it's own alication table works..)
And thats where it would probably be! So to answer your question no..
windows does not save other data like that in the fat... (that I know of)...
and if you download the file anyway, that info isnt going to stay with the
file.
so I dont want this to sound as rude or blunt as it may... but deal with
it... thats just not somthing the FAT32 nor NTFS (as far as i know) saves
with the file info...
-James


"romy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:07b101c54481$c19c19b0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
I appreciate these suggestions; I am aware of these other options.

But actually, I think these choices are more of the problem than a solution.

The date accessed is no good to me at all because it picks up the last time
__I, myself__ was in the file (trying to figure out what it was) rather than
the
last use of the person who sent it to me. And date created commonly turns
out to be more recent than date modified, if you save-as to another server
or location. It still seems utterly insane to me that a file could have been
"created" after it was modified, but save-as will do that to you.

Even when I __don't__ open a file, if it's in a folder that's copied to the
server, the file picks up the date and time of the move as the last time
it's
accessed. To me, if I don't open a file (or try to) I did _NOT_ "access" it.

Is there __any__ way to move an item to a different drive or server without
changing its time stamp-- like a right-click or keyboard shortcut or some
such trick?

Unfortunately, I don't believe there's a way on XP beyond the choices I
mentioned, Romy. You may want to ask in one of the Windows XP newsgroups,
however, you mentioned a server so you may be talking about a different
animal. If you are storing files on a server, then perhaps there's a
different tracking system or perhaps the server is set up differently.
--
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
In memory of a true friend, Windows MVP Alex Nichol

Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"romy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:07b101c54481$c19c19b0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
I appreciate these suggestions; I am aware of these other options.

But actually, I think these choices are more of the problem than a solution.

The date accessed is no good to me at all because it picks up the last time
__I, myself__ was in the file (trying to figure out what it was) rather than
the
last use of the person who sent it to me. And date created commonly turns
out to be more recent than date modified, if you save-as to another server
or location. It still seems utterly insane to me that a file could have been
"created" after it was modified, but save-as will do that to you.

Even when I __don't__ open a file, if it's in a folder that's copied to the
server, the file picks up the date and time of the move as the last time
it's
accessed. To me, if I don't open a file (or try to) I did _NOT_ "access" it.

Is there __any__ way to move an item to a different drive or server without
changing its time stamp-- like a right-click or keyboard shortcut or some
such trick?