Mickey, I believe we've talked before, but which graphics drivers are you
using? Have you tried reinstalling the latest ones again, and used Safe
Mode for the process, since installing the Experience Pack? I'm just
curious if that might kick the display in the tail for you.
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Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote in message
news:OnhcYr8PFHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> The orange screen is back again. On my current re-boot it was up for 17
> seconds, ending when the Ink Desktop icon appeared. Does the duration of
> the orange depend on the sequencing of startup items? Sometimes the
> orange doesn't appear at all - is there some way to sequence startup items
> to avoid seeing the orange? It looks pretty tacky when you are booting up
> the computer to show something to someone and the screen turns some
> electric color.
>
> Few people will find the help files describing the known issues with the
> orange desktop.
>
> "Victoria Kruse [MS]" <vhamil@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:%23Zb0Mv7PFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> The orange screen appears when Ink Desktop is trying to refresh its
>> display. You'll most often see it right when you boot and occasionally
>> when you rotate the screen or change your screen resolution. It usually
>> goes away quickly once Ink Desktop has finished loading, but sometimes
>> you need to help it along. Hitting F5 (if the desktop has focus) or
>> opening and closing the docked Input Panel will often do the trick. See
>> the readme for more information (readme can be opened from Explore the
>> Experience Pack > Home > Read more about the pack > View the Readme
>> File).
>
>

I have Wacom serial pen tablet driver version 5.1.2600.2180. I'm not sure
how to check whether than is current other than trying to update
automatically.

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:ukwGhx8PFHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Mickey, I believe we've talked before, but which graphics drivers are you
> using? Have you tried reinstalling the latest ones again, and used Safe
> Mode for the process, since installing the Experience Pack? I'm just
> curious if that might kick the display in the tail for you.

That's not the graphics driver, Mickey. 8-) In Device Manager, my Wacom
Penabled HID MiniDriver is listed as:
Provider: Wacom
Driver Date: 11/16/2004
Driver Version: 2.3.0.0

I've got a M200 on my lap right now, and for the Display adapter in Device
Manager, it shows:
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 32M/64M
with:
Provider: NVIDIA
Driver Date: 4/15/2004
Driver Version: 4.6.44

Even if you have these showing, you can reinstall those drivers again in
Safe Mode. It won't do any harm. In Safe Mode, only "generic" drivers are
loaded, and the method of installing new (or the same, in case of
corruption) ones has nothing to interfere with the installation (including
no AV program running).
--
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In memory of a true friend, Windows MVP Alex Nichol

Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote in message
news:OYJwSlFQFHA.1392@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I have Wacom serial pen tablet driver version 5.1.2600.2180. I'm not sure
>how to check whether than is current other than trying to update
>automatically.
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:ukwGhx8PFHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Mickey, I believe we've talked before, but which graphics drivers are you
>> using? Have you tried reinstalling the latest ones again, and used Safe
>> Mode for the process, since installing the Experience Pack? I'm just
>> curious if that might kick the display in the tail for you.
>
>

I have Intel 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller
Driver Date: 4/15/2003
Driver version 6.13.10.3510

Okay, that's the original for the Motion 1300 (still the only one), although
the 5-27-03 version on Motion's site is listed as 6.13.01.3510. You might
try downloading that one fresh
(http://www.motioncomputing.com/suppo...nload_1300.asp) and do a
reinstall with the fresh download in Safe Mode.

The 4.82-9a Wacom driver, updated last December, is available for download
here: http://www.wacom.com/tabletpc/driver.cfm .

One of the reasons I recommend reinstalling the newer drivers (or
reinstalling the only available ones) in Safe Mode is that XP SP2 make a
huge amount of changes in the Registry when we updated to that, and not all
drivers reacted properly after coming through the upgrade.
--
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
In memory of a true friend, Windows MVP Alex Nichol

Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote in message
news:uL8y0zGQFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>I have Intel 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller
> Driver Date: 4/15/2003
> Driver version 6.13.10.3510
>

I'm always nervous about fiddling around with drivers and safe mode.

I wonder if something time-dependent in the boot process accounts for the
delay, for example logging into our wireless network.

Another approach is not to use Ink Desktop until Microsoft gets it working
properly. From the various references in the documentation to the orange
screen it is clear they are talking their way around a glitch, but I don't
know enough to know why this was nontrivial to fix.

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:eLB0UIHQFHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Okay, that's the original for the Motion 1300 (still the only one),
> although the 5-27-03 version on Motion's site is listed as 6.13.01.3510.
> You might try downloading that one fresh
> (http://www.motioncomputing.com/suppo...nload_1300.asp) and do a
> reinstall with the fresh download in Safe Mode.
>
> The 4.82-9a Wacom driver, updated last December, is available for download
> here: http://www.wacom.com/tabletpc/driver.cfm .
>
> One of the reasons I recommend reinstalling the newer drivers (or
> reinstalling the only available ones) in Safe Mode is that XP SP2 make a
> huge amount of changes in the Registry when we updated to that, and not
> all drivers reacted properly after coming through the upgrade.

Safe Mode is what it implies - safety. What it does is remove unnecessary
items from possibly interfering with the clean installation of the driver.
It gives us the best possible method of installing a new driver. You don't
need to worry about the network being on at all, because you don't need it.
Safe Mode offers whether you want networking or not. Since you don't need
to do anything on the LAN so unless you're getting your file from a
different machine, select Without Networking.

Remember, Windows XP is much different from perhaps one of the Windows 9x
operating systems. In Device Manager, there's Roll Back Driver, which is a
safety net (in addition to System Restore) for moving to a previously good
driver, in case a "beta version" one goes belly up.

Mickey, my thinking is if you haven't tried reinstalling the drivers, you
don't know if there's a bit of corruption in there which might be fixed. If
it doesn't fix the issue, then at least we'll know the drivers are very good
for your system, and there's something else amiss. Then you can go to the
"wait" mode. 8-)
--
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In memory of a true friend, Windows MVP Alex Nichol

Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote in message
news:OQpHumHQFHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> I'm always nervous about fiddling around with drivers and safe mode.
>
> I wonder if something time-dependent in the boot process accounts for the
> delay, for example logging into our wireless network.
>
> Another approach is not to use Ink Desktop until Microsoft gets it working
> properly. From the various references in the documentation to the orange
> screen it is clear they are talking their way around a glitch, but I don't
> know enough to know why this was nontrivial to fix.
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:eLB0UIHQFHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Okay, that's the original for the Motion 1300 (still the only one),
>> although the 5-27-03 version on Motion's site is listed as 6.13.01.3510.
>> You might try downloading that one fresh
>> (http://www.motioncomputing.com/suppo...nload_1300.asp) and do a
>> reinstall with the fresh download in Safe Mode.
>>
>> The 4.82-9a Wacom driver, updated last December, is available for
>> download here: http://www.wacom.com/tabletpc/driver.cfm .
>>
>> One of the reasons I recommend reinstalling the newer drivers (or
>> reinstalling the only available ones) in Safe Mode is that XP SP2 make a
>> huge amount of changes in the Registry when we updated to that, and not
>> all drivers reacted properly after coming through the upgrade.
>
>

It has nothing to do with graphics drivers. As Victoria has pointed out,
it's an artifact of using Active Desktop. Whilst your desktop is refreshing,
you will see the orange screen. Once Ink Desktop is fully loaded, the orange
screen will be replaced with your ink notes. How long the orange screen will
be there depends on the performance of your Tablet, and how many other
things happen to be loading.

Cheers
Ken

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"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:ukwGhx8PFHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: Mickey, I believe we've talked before, but which graphics drivers are you
: using? Have you tried reinstalling the latest ones again, and used Safe
: Mode for the process, since installing the Experience Pack? I'm just
: curious if that might kick the display in the tail for you.
: --
: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
: In memory of a true friend, Windows MVP Alex Nichol
:
: Chris H.
: Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
: Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
: Associate Expert
: Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
:
:
: "Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote in message
: news:OnhcYr8PFHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: > The orange screen is back again. On my current re-boot it was up for 17
: > seconds, ending when the Ink Desktop icon appeared. Does the duration
of
: > the orange depend on the sequencing of startup items? Sometimes the
: > orange doesn't appear at all - is there some way to sequence startup
items
: > to avoid seeing the orange? It looks pretty tacky when you are booting
up
: > the computer to show something to someone and the screen turns some
: > electric color.
: >
: > Few people will find the help files describing the known issues with the
: > orange desktop.
: >
: > "Victoria Kruse [MS]" <vhamil@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
: > news:%23Zb0Mv7PFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: >> The orange screen appears when Ink Desktop is trying to refresh its
: >> display. You'll most often see it right when you boot and occasionally
: >> when you rotate the screen or change your screen resolution. It usually
: >> goes away quickly once Ink Desktop has finished loading, but sometimes
: >> you need to help it along. Hitting F5 (if the desktop has focus) or
: >> opening and closing the docked Input Panel will often do the trick. See
: >> the readme for more information (readme can be opened from Explore the
: >> Experience Pack > Home > Read more about the pack > View the Readme
: >> File).
: >
: >
:
:

That is why I was hoping to influence startup order. Sometimes the orange
screen is only there momentarily, possibly due to a different order of
things starting up.

"Ken Schaefer" <kenREMOVE@THISadOpenStatic.com> wrote in message
news:%23lbufJJQFHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> It has nothing to do with graphics drivers. As Victoria has pointed out,
> it's an artifact of using Active Desktop. Whilst your desktop is
> refreshing,
> you will see the orange screen. Once Ink Desktop is fully loaded, the
> orange
> screen will be replaced with your ink notes. How long the orange screen
> will
> be there depends on the performance of your Tablet, and how many other
> things happen to be loading.

I've never seen an orange screen here, Ken, on my Motion 1300, which is one
of the reasons I suggested checking the drivers. But I also reinstalled the
drivers after updating to XP SP2 and the Tablet PC Edition 2005.
--
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In memory of a true friend, Windows MVP Alex Nichol

Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Ken Schaefer" <kenREMOVE@THISadOpenStatic.com> wrote in message
news:%23lbufJJQFHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> It has nothing to do with graphics drivers. As Victoria has pointed out,
> it's an artifact of using Active Desktop. Whilst your desktop is
> refreshing,
> you will see the orange screen. Once Ink Desktop is fully loaded, the
> orange
> screen will be replaced with your ink notes. How long the orange screen
> will
> be there depends on the performance of your Tablet, and how many other
> things happen to be loading.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> --
> Blog: www.adopenstatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/
> Web: www.adopenstatic.com
>
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:ukwGhx8PFHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> : Mickey, I believe we've talked before, but which graphics drivers are
> you
> : using? Have you tried reinstalling the latest ones again, and used Safe
> : Mode for the process, since installing the Experience Pack? I'm just
> : curious if that might kick the display in the tail for you.
> : --
> : http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
> : In memory of a true friend, Windows MVP Alex Nichol
> :
> : Chris H.
> : Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> : Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> : Associate Expert
> : Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> :
> :
> : "Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote in message
> : news:OnhcYr8PFHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> : > The orange screen is back again. On my current re-boot it was up for
> 17
> : > seconds, ending when the Ink Desktop icon appeared. Does the duration
> of
> : > the orange depend on the sequencing of startup items? Sometimes the
> : > orange doesn't appear at all - is there some way to sequence startup
> items
> : > to avoid seeing the orange? It looks pretty tacky when you are
> booting
> up
> : > the computer to show something to someone and the screen turns some
> : > electric color.
> : >
> : > Few people will find the help files describing the known issues with
> the
> : > orange desktop.
> : >
> : > "Victoria Kruse [MS]" <vhamil@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> : > news:%23Zb0Mv7PFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> : >> The orange screen appears when Ink Desktop is trying to refresh its
> : >> display. You'll most often see it right when you boot and
> occasionally
> : >> when you rotate the screen or change your screen resolution. It
> usually
> : >> goes away quickly once Ink Desktop has finished loading, but
> sometimes
> : >> you need to help it along. Hitting F5 (if the desktop has focus) or
> : >> opening and closing the docked Input Panel will often do the trick.
> See
> : >> the readme for more information (readme can be opened from Explore
> the
> : >> Experience Pack > Home > Read more about the pack > View the Readme
> : >> File).
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

I'm not entirely sure you can influence this. As I understand Ink Desktop,
it's just a type of Active Desktop (Active Desktop is a bit like setting
your desktop wallpaper), so the initialisation process is part of
initialising your desktop.

Cheers
Ken

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"Mickey Segal" <not_monitored@example.com> wrote in message
news:%23ynFUNJQFHA.2136@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: That is why I was hoping to influence startup order. Sometimes the orange
: screen is only there momentarily, possibly due to a different order of
: things starting up.
:
: "Ken Schaefer" <kenREMOVE@THISadOpenStatic.com> wrote in message
: news:%23lbufJJQFHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: > It has nothing to do with graphics drivers. As Victoria has pointed out,
: > it's an artifact of using Active Desktop. Whilst your desktop is
: > refreshing,
: > you will see the orange screen. Once Ink Desktop is fully loaded, the
: > orange
: > screen will be replaced with your ink notes. How long the orange screen
: > will
: > be there depends on the performance of your Tablet, and how many other
: > things happen to be loading.
:
: