I posted this in the XP board, but I'm also looking for a perspective from
the tablet crowd, so if you had to read this twice I apologize. Anyways......

I am about to inherit a small army (actually about 10) of 'thin client'
Tablet PC's running on Windows XP Embedded. I am looking to to use these
strictly as 'terminals' which are wirelessly connected to a 'server' (Running
XP Pro SP2 for the time being). The main goal is to access and use
applications/files/other resources ON the server, and use the clients as
video display and I/O ONLY....as there is no storage capability on the
tablets.

I have tried configuring a smaller series of remote desktop connections (3-6
using VNC), with only moderate success.....the resources on the host were
being stretched very thin.

File security is a big concern, likewise is the ability to display files
from larger applications on the terminals. Simple file sharing isn't going
to solve my problem, so how do I configure a network that uses resources
strictly off the host/server.

I am a newbie to networking...forgive me if this is a really easy question.
I have done several searches on the microsoft site, but without knowing
exactly what I'm searching for I'm at a loss.

If someone could provide an explanation, or a link to information I would be
forever
grateful.

Regards,

Dominik

Sorry, Dominik, but the Tablet PCs we help users with in this newsgroup
don't run "embedded," they all run the full-blown Windows XP Pro operating
system. The hardware you have is not the same as the Tablet PCs supported
here.

You should post to either the microsoft.public.windowsxp.embedded or
microsoft.public.windowsce.embedded newsgroup, depending on which is being
run. They'll be better equipped to assist you in the specific newsgroup,
either for Windows XP or CE.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"dkaminski" <dkaminski@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:889262E8-BB54-48AC-A3C2-2007794519E4@microsoft.com...
>I posted this in the XP board, but I'm also looking for a perspective from
> the tablet crowd, so if you had to read this twice I apologize.
> Anyways......
>
> I am about to inherit a small army (actually about 10) of 'thin client'
> Tablet PC's running on Windows XP Embedded. I am looking to to use these
> strictly as 'terminals' which are wirelessly connected to a 'server'
> (Running
> XP Pro SP2 for the time being). The main goal is to access and use
> applications/files/other resources ON the server, and use the clients as
> video display and I/O ONLY....as there is no storage capability on the
> tablets.
>
> I have tried configuring a smaller series of remote desktop connections
> (3-6
> using VNC), with only moderate success.....the resources on the host were
> being stretched very thin.
>
> File security is a big concern, likewise is the ability to display files
> from larger applications on the terminals. Simple file sharing isn't
> going
> to solve my problem, so how do I configure a network that uses resources
> strictly off the host/server.
>
> I am a newbie to networking...forgive me if this is a really easy
> question.
> I have done several searches on the microsoft site, but without knowing
> exactly what I'm searching for I'm at a loss.
>
> If someone could provide an explanation, or a link to information I would
> be
> forever
> grateful.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dominik
>

Thanks for your quick response Chris...from reading this forum I can see
you've been a great help to many users.

I realize that XP embedded is a stripped version of a combination of XP Pro
and/or Tablet XP, however I don't believe my problem exists in the operating
system itself. I did however post to the embedded newsgroup also. Keep in
mind I am experiencing this problem on multiple 'XP' platforms (including
full-blown Tablet XP and XP pro)

In my opinion, my problem more than likely lies with a poor understanding of
what I know as 'Terminal Services' and how it functions within Windows XP(any
platform).

I am trying to find a way to connect multiple terminals to an application
server(XP based), without the need for storing any of the application/file
data on multiple hard drives on multiple machines, just centrally on one
machine.

"Chris H." wrote:

> Sorry, Dominik, but the Tablet PCs we help users with in this newsgroup
> don't run "embedded," they all run the full-blown Windows XP Pro operating
> system. The hardware you have is not the same as the Tablet PCs supported
> here.
>
> You should post to either the microsoft.public.windowsxp.embedded or
> microsoft.public.windowsce.embedded newsgroup, depending on which is being
> run. They'll be better equipped to assist you in the specific newsgroup,
> either for Windows XP or CE.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "dkaminski" <dkaminski@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:889262E8-BB54-48AC-A3C2-2007794519E4@microsoft.com...
> >I posted this in the XP board, but I'm also looking for a perspective from
> > the tablet crowd, so if you had to read this twice I apologize.
> > Anyways......
> >
> > I am about to inherit a small army (actually about 10) of 'thin client'
> > Tablet PC's running on Windows XP Embedded. I am looking to to use these
> > strictly as 'terminals' which are wirelessly connected to a 'server'
> > (Running
> > XP Pro SP2 for the time being). The main goal is to access and use
> > applications/files/other resources ON the server, and use the clients as
> > video display and I/O ONLY....as there is no storage capability on the
> > tablets.
> >
> > I have tried configuring a smaller series of remote desktop connections
> > (3-6
> > using VNC), with only moderate success.....the resources on the host were
> > being stretched very thin.
> >
> > File security is a big concern, likewise is the ability to display files
> > from larger applications on the terminals. Simple file sharing isn't
> > going
> > to solve my problem, so how do I configure a network that uses resources
> > strictly off the host/server.
> >
> > I am a newbie to networking...forgive me if this is a really easy
> > question.
> > I have done several searches on the microsoft site, but without knowing
> > exactly what I'm searching for I'm at a loss.
> >
> > If someone could provide an explanation, or a link to information I would
> > be
> > forever
> > grateful.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dominik
> >
>
>
>

What you're trying to do requires Server. XP Pro does Remote Desktop, but
only a single session. And using VNC instead of Remote Desktop has all sorts
of security issues. Thin clients are perfect for using against a Windows
Server 2003 or Windows 2000 Server machine running Terminal Services in
Application Mode. That's exactly what it's designed for. But XP is not a
server.

--
Charlie.

dkaminski wrote:
> Thanks for your quick response Chris...from reading this forum I can
> see you've been a great help to many users.
>
> I realize that XP embedded is a stripped version of a combination of
> XP Pro and/or Tablet XP, however I don't believe my problem exists in
> the operating system itself. I did however post to the embedded
> newsgroup also. Keep in mind I am experiencing this problem on
> multiple 'XP' platforms (including full-blown Tablet XP and XP pro)
>
> In my opinion, my problem more than likely lies with a poor
> understanding of what I know as 'Terminal Services' and how it
> functions within Windows XP(any platform).
>
> I am trying to find a way to connect multiple terminals to an
> application server(XP based), without the need for storing any of the
> application/file data on multiple hard drives on multiple machines,
> just centrally on one machine.
>
> "Chris H." wrote:
>
>> Sorry, Dominik, but the Tablet PCs we help users with in this
>> newsgroup don't run "embedded," they all run the full-blown Windows
>> XP Pro operating system. The hardware you have is not the same as
>> the Tablet PCs supported here.
>>
>> You should post to either the microsoft.public.windowsxp.embedded or
>> microsoft.public.windowsce.embedded newsgroup, depending on which is
>> being run. They'll be better equipped to assist you in the specific
>> newsgroup, either for Windows XP or CE.
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>
>> "dkaminski" <dkaminski@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:889262E8-BB54-48AC-A3C2-2007794519E4@microsoft.com...
>>> I posted this in the XP board, but I'm also looking for a
>>> perspective from the tablet crowd, so if you had to read this twice
>>> I apologize. Anyways......
>>>
>>> I am about to inherit a small army (actually about 10) of 'thin
>>> client' Tablet PC's running on Windows XP Embedded. I am looking
>>> to to use these strictly as 'terminals' which are wirelessly
>>> connected to a 'server' (Running
>>> XP Pro SP2 for the time being). The main goal is to access and use
>>> applications/files/other resources ON the server, and use the
>>> clients as video display and I/O ONLY....as there is no storage
>>> capability on the tablets.
>>>
>>> I have tried configuring a smaller series of remote desktop
>>> connections (3-6
>>> using VNC), with only moderate success.....the resources on the
>>> host were being stretched very thin.
>>>
>>> File security is a big concern, likewise is the ability to display
>>> files from larger applications on the terminals. Simple file
>>> sharing isn't going
>>> to solve my problem, so how do I configure a network that uses
>>> resources strictly off the host/server.
>>>
>>> I am a newbie to networking...forgive me if this is a really easy
>>> question.
>>> I have done several searches on the microsoft site, but without
>>> knowing exactly what I'm searching for I'm at a loss.
>>>
>>> If someone could provide an explanation, or a link to information I
>>> would be
>>> forever
>>> grateful.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dominik

Charlie,

Thank you so much for making that clear, I knew the VNC's would get me in
all sorts of trouble, that's why I stopped pursuing that route.

Can you answer me this.....

Is there another means of establishing an XP-based network that will allow
me to do what I want with Terminal Services in server edition? By that I
mean hosting applications on a remote disk. Is it any more difficult to
setup than the remote web connection offered by XP?

Also, can someone explain how licensing server 2000/2003 for my setup works?
(10 thin clients; less than 10 users currently, but may expand into 1 user
or more per device-not in the near future).
It's not that I'm against investing in server edition OS, but it is more a
fear of the unknown as I am simply a networking/server novice, but fairly
comfortable with XP systems.

Again, Thanks for the direction.

-Dominik

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> What you're trying to do requires Server. XP Pro does Remote Desktop, but
> only a single session. And using VNC instead of Remote Desktop has all sorts
> of security issues. Thin clients are perfect for using against a Windows
> Server 2003 or Windows 2000 Server machine running Terminal Services in
> Application Mode. That's exactly what it's designed for. But XP is not a
> server.
>
> --
> Charlie.
>
> dkaminski wrote:
> > Thanks for your quick response Chris...from reading this forum I can
> > see you've been a great help to many users.
> >
> > I realize that XP embedded is a stripped version of a combination of
> > XP Pro and/or Tablet XP, however I don't believe my problem exists in
> > the operating system itself. I did however post to the embedded
> > newsgroup also. Keep in mind I am experiencing this problem on
> > multiple 'XP' platforms (including full-blown Tablet XP and XP pro)
> >
> > In my opinion, my problem more than likely lies with a poor
> > understanding of what I know as 'Terminal Services' and how it
> > functions within Windows XP(any platform).
> >
> > I am trying to find a way to connect multiple terminals to an
> > application server(XP based), without the need for storing any of the
> > application/file data on multiple hard drives on multiple machines,
> > just centrally on one machine.
> >
> > "Chris H." wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, Dominik, but the Tablet PCs we help users with in this
> >> newsgroup don't run "embedded," they all run the full-blown Windows
> >> XP Pro operating system. The hardware you have is not the same as
> >> the Tablet PCs supported here.
> >>
> >> You should post to either the microsoft.public.windowsxp.embedded or
> >> microsoft.public.windowsce.embedded newsgroup, depending on which is
> >> being run. They'll be better equipped to assist you in the specific
> >> newsgroup, either for Windows XP or CE.
> >> --
> >> Chris H.
> >> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> >> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> >> Associate Expert
> >> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >>
> >>
> >> "dkaminski" <dkaminski@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:889262E8-BB54-48AC-A3C2-2007794519E4@microsoft.com...
> >>> I posted this in the XP board, but I'm also looking for a
> >>> perspective from the tablet crowd, so if you had to read this twice
> >>> I apologize. Anyways......
> >>>
> >>> I am about to inherit a small army (actually about 10) of 'thin
> >>> client' Tablet PC's running on Windows XP Embedded. I am looking
> >>> to to use these strictly as 'terminals' which are wirelessly
> >>> connected to a 'server' (Running
> >>> XP Pro SP2 for the time being). The main goal is to access and use
> >>> applications/files/other resources ON the server, and use the
> >>> clients as video display and I/O ONLY....as there is no storage
> >>> capability on the tablets.
> >>>
> >>> I have tried configuring a smaller series of remote desktop
> >>> connections (3-6
> >>> using VNC), with only moderate success.....the resources on the
> >>> host were being stretched very thin.
> >>>
> >>> File security is a big concern, likewise is the ability to display
> >>> files from larger applications on the terminals. Simple file
> >>> sharing isn't going
> >>> to solve my problem, so how do I configure a network that uses
> >>> resources strictly off the host/server.
> >>>
> >>> I am a newbie to networking...forgive me if this is a really easy
> >>> question.
> >>> I have done several searches on the microsoft site, but without
> >>> knowing exactly what I'm searching for I'm at a loss.
> >>>
> >>> If someone could provide an explanation, or a link to information I
> >>> would be
> >>> forever
> >>> grateful.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Dominik
>
>
>

We probably ought to move this over to one of the server newsgroups, but I
don't mind if Chris doesn't. ;)

You can certainly host applications on a remote disk. That part is easy,
really -- though not with thin clients. You set up everyone's XP machine to
map \\xphost\sharepoint to the same drive letter on their XP machine. The
problem is that there's really no way to do this and keep things "clean" and
even moderately secure without Terminal Services or some other tool. And the
thin client can't actually function like that, it needs a real host I
believe. And that takes server.

So, licensing is a whole different kettle of fish, and not my area of
expertise. BUT, that being said, there are 3 basic ways to license -- per
user, per server (connection) or per device. And Terminal Services requires
an additional license. Which basic licensing you should choose depends
entirely on how you actually use your network. Actually one of your best
resources here is your software vendor. They generally have a clear
understanding of how licensing works and can help you minimize your
expenditures while still remaining legal.

You will gain a lot moving to a server based environment, and you don't even
_have_ to move off of workgroup security, though there's a lot to be said for
the additional functionality that a domain gives you.


--
Charlie.

dkaminski wrote:
> Charlie,
>
> Thank you so much for making that clear, I knew the VNC's would get
> me in all sorts of trouble, that's why I stopped pursuing that route.
>
> Can you answer me this.....
>
> Is there another means of establishing an XP-based network that will
> allow me to do what I want with Terminal Services in server edition?
> By that I mean hosting applications on a remote disk. Is it any more
> difficult to setup than the remote web connection offered by XP?
>
> Also, can someone explain how licensing server 2000/2003 for my setup
> works? (10 thin clients; less than 10 users currently, but may expand
> into 1 user or more per device-not in the near future).
> It's not that I'm against investing in server edition OS, but it is
> more a fear of the unknown as I am simply a networking/server novice,
> but fairly comfortable with XP systems.
>
> Again, Thanks for the direction.
>
> -Dominik
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
>
>> What you're trying to do requires Server. XP Pro does Remote
>> Desktop, but only a single session. And using VNC instead of Remote
>> Desktop has all sorts of security issues. Thin clients are perfect
>> for using against a Windows Server 2003 or Windows 2000 Server
>> machine running Terminal Services in Application Mode. That's
>> exactly what it's designed for. But XP is not a server.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>>
>> dkaminski wrote:
>>> Thanks for your quick response Chris...from reading this forum I can
>>> see you've been a great help to many users.
>>>
>>> I realize that XP embedded is a stripped version of a combination of
>>> XP Pro and/or Tablet XP, however I don't believe my problem exists
>>> in the operating system itself. I did however post to the embedded
>>> newsgroup also. Keep in mind I am experiencing this problem on
>>> multiple 'XP' platforms (including full-blown Tablet XP and XP pro)
>>>
>>> In my opinion, my problem more than likely lies with a poor
>>> understanding of what I know as 'Terminal Services' and how it
>>> functions within Windows XP(any platform).
>>>
>>> I am trying to find a way to connect multiple terminals to an
>>> application server(XP based), without the need for storing any of
>>> the application/file data on multiple hard drives on multiple
>>> machines, just centrally on one machine.
>>>
>>> "Chris H." wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, Dominik, but the Tablet PCs we help users with in this
>>>> newsgroup don't run "embedded," they all run the full-blown Windows
>>>> XP Pro operating system. The hardware you have is not the same as
>>>> the Tablet PCs supported here.
>>>>
>>>> You should post to either the microsoft.public.windowsxp.embedded
>>>> or microsoft.public.windowsce.embedded newsgroup, depending on
>>>> which is being run. They'll be better equipped to assist you in
>>>> the specific newsgroup, either for Windows XP or CE.
>>>> --
>>>> Chris H.
>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>> Associate Expert
>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dkaminski" <dkaminski@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:889262E8-BB54-48AC-A3C2-2007794519E4@microsoft.com...
>>>>> I posted this in the XP board, but I'm also looking for a
>>>>> perspective from the tablet crowd, so if you had to read this
>>>>> twice I apologize. Anyways......
>>>>>
>>>>> I am about to inherit a small army (actually about 10) of 'thin
>>>>> client' Tablet PC's running on Windows XP Embedded. I am looking
>>>>> to to use these strictly as 'terminals' which are wirelessly
>>>>> connected to a 'server' (Running
>>>>> XP Pro SP2 for the time being). The main goal is to access and
>>>>> use applications/files/other resources ON the server, and use the
>>>>> clients as video display and I/O ONLY....as there is no storage
>>>>> capability on the tablets.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried configuring a smaller series of remote desktop
>>>>> connections (3-6
>>>>> using VNC), with only moderate success.....the resources on the
>>>>> host were being stretched very thin.
>>>>>
>>>>> File security is a big concern, likewise is the ability to display
>>>>> files from larger applications on the terminals. Simple file
>>>>> sharing isn't going
>>>>> to solve my problem, so how do I configure a network that uses
>>>>> resources strictly off the host/server.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a newbie to networking...forgive me if this is a really easy
>>>>> question.
>>>>> I have done several searches on the microsoft site, but without
>>>>> knowing exactly what I'm searching for I'm at a loss.
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone could provide an explanation, or a link to information
>>>>> I would be
>>>>> forever
>>>>> grateful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dominik

8-) I like to read and learn. I just figured the newsgroup which supports
the embedded would be a good(er) choice for support. Maybe I should have
read one of your books more closely. 8-)

It is still all geek to me!
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:eAVp1utGFHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> We probably ought to move this over to one of the server newsgroups, but I
> don't mind if Chris doesn't. ;)
>
> You can certainly host applications on a remote disk. That part is easy,
> really -- though not with thin clients. You set up everyone's XP machine
> to map \\xphost\sharepoint to the same drive letter on their XP machine.
> The problem is that there's really no way to do this and keep things
> "clean" and even moderately secure without Terminal Services or some other
> tool. And the thin client can't actually function like that, it needs a
> real host I believe. And that takes server.
>
> So, licensing is a whole different kettle of fish, and not my area of
> expertise. BUT, that being said, there are 3 basic ways to license -- per
> user, per server (connection) or per device. And Terminal Services
> requires an additional license. Which basic licensing you should choose
> depends entirely on how you actually use your network. Actually one of
> your best resources here is your software vendor. They generally have a
> clear understanding of how licensing works and can help you minimize your
> expenditures while still remaining legal.
>
> You will gain a lot moving to a server based environment, and you don't
> even _have_ to move off of workgroup security, though there's a lot to be
> said for the additional functionality that a domain gives you.
>
>
> --
> Charlie.
>
> dkaminski wrote:
>> Charlie,
>>
>> Thank you so much for making that clear, I knew the VNC's would get
>> me in all sorts of trouble, that's why I stopped pursuing that route.
>>
>> Can you answer me this.....
>>
>> Is there another means of establishing an XP-based network that will
>> allow me to do what I want with Terminal Services in server edition?
>> By that I mean hosting applications on a remote disk. Is it any more
>> difficult to setup than the remote web connection offered by XP?
>>
>> Also, can someone explain how licensing server 2000/2003 for my setup
>> works? (10 thin clients; less than 10 users currently, but may expand
>> into 1 user or more per device-not in the near future).
>> It's not that I'm against investing in server edition OS, but it is
>> more a fear of the unknown as I am simply a networking/server novice,
>> but fairly comfortable with XP systems.
>>
>> Again, Thanks for the direction.
>>
>> -Dominik
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
>>
>>> What you're trying to do requires Server. XP Pro does Remote
>>> Desktop, but only a single session. And using VNC instead of Remote
>>> Desktop has all sorts of security issues. Thin clients are perfect
>>> for using against a Windows Server 2003 or Windows 2000 Server
>>> machine running Terminal Services in Application Mode. That's
>>> exactly what it's designed for. But XP is not a server.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>>
>>> dkaminski wrote:
>>>> Thanks for your quick response Chris...from reading this forum I can
>>>> see you've been a great help to many users.
>>>>
>>>> I realize that XP embedded is a stripped version of a combination of
>>>> XP Pro and/or Tablet XP, however I don't believe my problem exists
>>>> in the operating system itself. I did however post to the embedded
>>>> newsgroup also. Keep in mind I am experiencing this problem on
>>>> multiple 'XP' platforms (including full-blown Tablet XP and XP pro)
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, my problem more than likely lies with a poor
>>>> understanding of what I know as 'Terminal Services' and how it
>>>> functions within Windows XP(any platform).
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to find a way to connect multiple terminals to an
>>>> application server(XP based), without the need for storing any of
>>>> the application/file data on multiple hard drives on multiple
>>>> machines, just centrally on one machine.
>>>>
>>>> "Chris H." wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, Dominik, but the Tablet PCs we help users with in this
>>>>> newsgroup don't run "embedded," they all run the full-blown Windows
>>>>> XP Pro operating system. The hardware you have is not the same as
>>>>> the Tablet PCs supported here.
>>>>>
>>>>> You should post to either the microsoft.public.windowsxp.embedded
>>>>> or microsoft.public.windowsce.embedded newsgroup, depending on
>>>>> which is being run. They'll be better equipped to assist you in
>>>>> the specific newsgroup, either for Windows XP or CE.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris H.
>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "dkaminski" <dkaminski@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:889262E8-BB54-48AC-A3C2-2007794519E4@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> I posted this in the XP board, but I'm also looking for a
>>>>>> perspective from the tablet crowd, so if you had to read this
>>>>>> twice I apologize. Anyways......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am about to inherit a small army (actually about 10) of 'thin
>>>>>> client' Tablet PC's running on Windows XP Embedded. I am looking
>>>>>> to to use these strictly as 'terminals' which are wirelessly
>>>>>> connected to a 'server' (Running
>>>>>> XP Pro SP2 for the time being). The main goal is to access and
>>>>>> use applications/files/other resources ON the server, and use the
>>>>>> clients as video display and I/O ONLY....as there is no storage
>>>>>> capability on the tablets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have tried configuring a smaller series of remote desktop
>>>>>> connections (3-6
>>>>>> using VNC), with only moderate success.....the resources on the
>>>>>> host were being stretched very thin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> File security is a big concern, likewise is the ability to display
>>>>>> files from larger applications on the terminals. Simple file
>>>>>> sharing isn't going
>>>>>> to solve my problem, so how do I configure a network that uses
>>>>>> resources strictly off the host/server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a newbie to networking...forgive me if this is a really easy
>>>>>> question.
>>>>>> I have done several searches on the microsoft site, but without
>>>>>> knowing exactly what I'm searching for I'm at a loss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone could provide an explanation, or a link to information
>>>>>> I would be
>>>>>> forever
>>>>>> grateful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dominik
>
>

License plate I once had: "OS GEEK"

:)

the problem is, I've forgotten more than I ever learned about OS's. ;)

--
Charlie.

Chris H. wrote:
> 8-) I like to read and learn. I just figured the newsgroup which
> supports the embedded would be a good(er) choice for support. Maybe
> I should have read one of your books more closely. 8-)
>
> It is still all geek to me!
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
> message news:eAVp1utGFHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> We probably ought to move this over to one of the server newsgroups,
>> but I don't mind if Chris doesn't. ;)
>>
>> You can certainly host applications on a remote disk. That part is
>> easy, really -- though not with thin clients. You set up everyone's
>> XP machine to map \\xphost\sharepoint to the same drive letter on
>> their XP machine. The problem is that there's really no way to do
>> this and keep things "clean" and even moderately secure without
>> Terminal Services or some other tool. And the thin client can't
>> actually function like that, it needs a real host I believe. And
>> that takes server. So, licensing is a whole different kettle of fish, and
>> not my area of
>> expertise. BUT, that being said, there are 3 basic ways to license
>> -- per user, per server (connection) or per device. And Terminal
>> Services requires an additional license. Which basic licensing you
>> should choose depends entirely on how you actually use your network.
>> Actually one of your best resources here is your software vendor.
>> They generally have a clear understanding of how licensing works and
>> can help you minimize your expenditures while still remaining legal.
>>
>> You will gain a lot moving to a server based environment, and you
>> don't even _have_ to move off of workgroup security, though there's
>> a lot to be said for the additional functionality that a domain
>> gives you. --
>> Charlie.
>>
>> dkaminski wrote:
>>> Charlie,
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for making that clear, I knew the VNC's would get
>>> me in all sorts of trouble, that's why I stopped pursuing that
>>> route. Can you answer me this.....
>>>
>>> Is there another means of establishing an XP-based network that will
>>> allow me to do what I want with Terminal Services in server edition?
>>> By that I mean hosting applications on a remote disk. Is it any
>>> more difficult to setup than the remote web connection offered by
>>> XP? Also, can someone explain how licensing server 2000/2003 for my
>>> setup works? (10 thin clients; less than 10 users currently, but
>>> may expand into 1 user or more per device-not in the near future).
>>> It's not that I'm against investing in server edition OS, but it is
>>> more a fear of the unknown as I am simply a networking/server
>>> novice, but fairly comfortable with XP systems.
>>>
>>> Again, Thanks for the direction.
>>>
>>> -Dominik
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
>>>
>>>> What you're trying to do requires Server. XP Pro does Remote
>>>> Desktop, but only a single session. And using VNC instead of Remote
>>>> Desktop has all sorts of security issues. Thin clients are perfect
>>>> for using against a Windows Server 2003 or Windows 2000 Server
>>>> machine running Terminal Services in Application Mode. That's
>>>> exactly what it's designed for. But XP is not a server.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charlie.
>>>>
>>>> dkaminski wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for your quick response Chris...from reading this forum I
>>>>> can see you've been a great help to many users.
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize that XP embedded is a stripped version of a combination
>>>>> of XP Pro and/or Tablet XP, however I don't believe my problem
>>>>> exists in the operating system itself. I did however post to the
>>>>> embedded newsgroup also. Keep in mind I am experiencing this
>>>>> problem on multiple 'XP' platforms (including full-blown Tablet
>>>>> XP and XP pro) In my opinion, my problem more than likely lies with a
>>>>> poor
>>>>> understanding of what I know as 'Terminal Services' and how it
>>>>> functions within Windows XP(any platform).
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to find a way to connect multiple terminals to an
>>>>> application server(XP based), without the need for storing any of
>>>>> the application/file data on multiple hard drives on multiple
>>>>> machines, just centrally on one machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Chris H." wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, Dominik, but the Tablet PCs we help users with in this
>>>>>> newsgroup don't run "embedded," they all run the full-blown
>>>>>> Windows XP Pro operating system. The hardware you have is not
>>>>>> the same as the Tablet PCs supported here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should post to either the microsoft.public.windowsxp.embedded
>>>>>> or microsoft.public.windowsce.embedded newsgroup, depending on
>>>>>> which is being run. They'll be better equipped to assist you in
>>>>>> the specific newsgroup, either for Windows XP or CE.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Chris H.
>>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "dkaminski" <dkaminski@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> news:889262E8-BB54-48AC-A3C2-2007794519E4@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> I posted this in the XP board, but I'm also looking for a
>>>>>>> perspective from the tablet crowd, so if you had to read this
>>>>>>> twice I apologize. Anyways......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am about to inherit a small army (actually about 10) of 'thin
>>>>>>> client' Tablet PC's running on Windows XP Embedded. I am
>>>>>>> looking to to use these strictly as 'terminals' which are
>>>>>>> wirelessly connected to a 'server' (Running
>>>>>>> XP Pro SP2 for the time being). The main goal is to access and
>>>>>>> use applications/files/other resources ON the server, and use
>>>>>>> the clients as video display and I/O ONLY....as there is no
>>>>>>> storage capability on the tablets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have tried configuring a smaller series of remote desktop
>>>>>>> connections (3-6
>>>>>>> using VNC), with only moderate success.....the resources on the
>>>>>>> host were being stretched very thin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> File security is a big concern, likewise is the ability to
>>>>>>> display files from larger applications on the terminals. Simple file
>>>>>>> sharing isn't going
>>>>>>> to solve my problem, so how do I configure a network that uses
>>>>>>> resources strictly off the host/server.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am a newbie to networking...forgive me if this is a really
>>>>>>> easy question.
>>>>>>> I have done several searches on the microsoft site, but without
>>>>>>> knowing exactly what I'm searching for I'm at a loss.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If someone could provide an explanation, or a link to
>>>>>>> information I would be
>>>>>>> forever
>>>>>>> grateful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dominik

Thanks again guys....i'll pursue my further questions in the appropriate
newsgroup. I just had to start somewhere ;)

-Dominik

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> License plate I once had: "OS GEEK"
>
> :)
>
> the problem is, I've forgotten more than I ever learned about OS's. ;)
>
> --
> Charlie.
>
> Chris H. wrote:
> > 8-) I like to read and learn. I just figured the newsgroup which
> > supports the embedded would be a good(er) choice for support. Maybe
> > I should have read one of your books more closely. 8-)
> >
> > It is still all geek to me!
> >
> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
> > message news:eAVp1utGFHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> We probably ought to move this over to one of the server newsgroups,
> >> but I don't mind if Chris doesn't. ;)
> >>
> >> You can certainly host applications on a remote disk. That part is
> >> easy, really -- though not with thin clients. You set up everyone's
> >> XP machine to map \\xphost\sharepoint to the same drive letter on
> >> their XP machine. The problem is that there's really no way to do
> >> this and keep things "clean" and even moderately secure without
> >> Terminal Services or some other tool. And the thin client can't
> >> actually function like that, it needs a real host I believe. And
> >> that takes server. So, licensing is a whole different kettle of fish, and
> >> not my area of
> >> expertise. BUT, that being said, there are 3 basic ways to license
> >> -- per user, per server (connection) or per device. And Terminal
> >> Services requires an additional license. Which basic licensing you
> >> should choose depends entirely on how you actually use your network.
> >> Actually one of your best resources here is your software vendor.
> >> They generally have a clear understanding of how licensing works and
> >> can help you minimize your expenditures while still remaining legal.
> >>
> >> You will gain a lot moving to a server based environment, and you
> >> don't even _have_ to move off of workgroup security, though there's
> >> a lot to be said for the additional functionality that a domain
> >> gives you. --
> >> Charlie.
> >>
> >> dkaminski wrote:
> >>> Charlie,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you so much for making that clear, I knew the VNC's would get
> >>> me in all sorts of trouble, that's why I stopped pursuing that
> >>> route. Can you answer me this.....
> >>>
> >>> Is there another means of establishing an XP-based network that will
> >>> allow me to do what I want with Terminal Services in server edition?
> >>> By that I mean hosting applications on a remote disk. Is it any
> >>> more difficult to setup than the remote web connection offered by
> >>> XP? Also, can someone explain how licensing server 2000/2003 for my
> >>> setup works? (10 thin clients; less than 10 users currently, but
> >>> may expand into 1 user or more per device-not in the near future).
> >>> It's not that I'm against investing in server edition OS, but it is
> >>> more a fear of the unknown as I am simply a networking/server
> >>> novice, but fairly comfortable with XP systems.
> >>>
> >>> Again, Thanks for the direction.
> >>>
> >>> -Dominik
> >>>
> >>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> What you're trying to do requires Server. XP Pro does Remote
> >>>> Desktop, but only a single session. And using VNC instead of Remote
> >>>> Desktop has all sorts of security issues. Thin clients are perfect
> >>>> for using against a Windows Server 2003 or Windows 2000 Server
> >>>> machine running Terminal Services in Application Mode. That's
> >>>> exactly what it's designed for. But XP is not a server.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Charlie.
> >>>>
> >>>> dkaminski wrote:
> >>>>> Thanks for your quick response Chris...from reading this forum I
> >>>>> can see you've been a great help to many users.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I realize that XP embedded is a stripped version of a combination
> >>>>> of XP Pro and/or Tablet XP, however I don't believe my problem
> >>>>> exists in the operating system itself. I did however post to the
> >>>>> embedded newsgroup also. Keep in mind I am experiencing this
> >>>>> problem on multiple 'XP' platforms (including full-blown Tablet
> >>>>> XP and XP pro) In my opinion, my problem more than likely lies with a
> >>>>> poor
> >>>>> understanding of what I know as 'Terminal Services' and how it
> >>>>> functions within Windows XP(any platform).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am trying to find a way to connect multiple terminals to an
> >>>>> application server(XP based), without the need for storing any of
> >>>>> the application/file data on multiple hard drives on multiple
> >>>>> machines, just centrally on one machine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Chris H." wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Sorry, Dominik, but the Tablet PCs we help users with in this
> >>>>>> newsgroup don't run "embedded," they all run the full-blown
> >>>>>> Windows XP Pro operating system. The hardware you have is not
> >>>>>> the same as the Tablet PCs supported here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You should post to either the microsoft.public.windowsxp.embedded
> >>>>>> or microsoft.public.windowsce.embedded newsgroup, depending on
> >>>>>> which is being run. They'll be better equipped to assist you in
> >>>>>> the specific newsgroup, either for Windows XP or CE.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Chris H.
> >>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> >>>>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> >>>>>> Associate Expert
> >>>>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "dkaminski" <dkaminski@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >>>>>> message
> >>>>>> news:889262E8-BB54-48AC-A3C2-2007794519E4@microsoft.com...
> >>>>>>> I posted this in the XP board, but I'm also looking for a
> >>>>>>> perspective from the tablet crowd, so if you had to read this
> >>>>>>> twice I apologize. Anyways......
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am about to inherit a small army (actually about 10) of 'thin
> >>>>>>> client' Tablet PC's running on Windows XP Embedded. I am
> >>>>>>> looking to to use these strictly as 'terminals' which are
> >>>>>>> wirelessly connected to a 'server' (Running
> >>>>>>> XP Pro SP2 for the time being). The main goal is to access and
> >>>>>>> use applications/files/other resources ON the server, and use
> >>>>>>> the clients as video display and I/O ONLY....as there is no
> >>>>>>> storage capability on the tablets.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have tried configuring a smaller series of remote desktop
> >>>>>>> connections (3-6
> >>>>>>> using VNC), with only moderate success.....the resources on the
> >>>>>>> host were being stretched very thin.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> File security is a big concern, likewise is the ability to
> >>>>>>> display files from larger applications on the terminals. Simple file
> >>>>>>> sharing isn't going
> >>>>>>> to solve my problem, so how do I configure a network that uses
> >>>>>>> resources strictly off the host/server.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am a newbie to networking...forgive me if this is a really
> >>>>>>> easy question.
> >>>>>>> I have done several searches on the microsoft site, but without
> >>>>>>> knowing exactly what I'm searching for I'm at a loss.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If someone could provide an explanation, or a link to
> >>>>>>> information I would be
> >>>>>>> forever
> >>>>>>> grateful.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dominik
>
>
>