Jonathan Sachs <llm040903@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:27:32 +0000, usenet@alienrat.co.uk (Woody)
> wrote:
>
> >> If you mean the display device's coordinates, that would be most
> >> astonishing, since Windows (and probably every other modern GUI) uses
> >> device-independent coordinates for all of its internal operations in
> >> both applications and in the OS itself.
> >
> >No it doesn't - maybe for print operations or other devices, but it
> >addresses the screen directly pixel for pixel...
>
> Not so. Windows applications represent postions in Graphics Device
> Independent (GDI) coordinates, and convert to device coordinates only
> for input and output operations. Here's an explanation of how it works
> and why:
>
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de.../en-us/dngdi/h
tml/msdn_gdiover2.asp

Yes, I am aware of the theory of device independance, I have been
programming the GDI for many years. However, within normal GDI
operations you almost never scale gdi coordinates (which is why they are
not floating point) down, and I doubt office does for its handwriting
recognition.

However, I don't know what method (and whether it is the same) that
office uses for its handwriting, but assume it isn't the same as OneNote
doesn't appear to do handwriting without a tablet.

--
Woody

www.alienrat.com

Please note there are different specifications on Tablet PCs than on a
laptop or desktop, including the type of integrated active digitizer monitor
which must be shipped by OEMs. A few bits of information from the URLs
which I've previously posted for your information:
=====
- Among the specifications on Tablet PCs is that digitizers have resolutions
in the 10000 x 10000 range, which is 10 times greater than the resolution of
a mouse. The higher resolution allows the ink to look much smoother, because
more data results in better Bezier smoothing and more accurate anti-aliasing
of the ink that is collected. In addition, the handwriting recognizers on a
Tablet PC have more information to use for perform recognition, which
improves recognition accuracy.
- Digitizers also provide much more information about the users' actions. A
mouse or analog device can provide only X and Y coordinates. A digitizer can
provide up to 17 properties that the Tablet PC platform API supports. These
properties include Pressure, Angle, and Rotation.
- Digitizers run at throughput rates above 120 samples per second
(recommended is 133 samples per second) -approximately four times faster
than the average mouse. Combined with the higher resolution, the result is
10 times as much data retrieved, four times as often by using the digitizer.
The digitizer's increased throughput also increases the smoothness of the
ink and improves recognition accuracy.

And as a side note, one of my favorite games is Dungeon Siege. It is
designed to use analog mouse input, not the digitized recognition of the
pens on Tablet PCs. You know what it does when one uses a pen instead of a
mouse? The game's screen spins in circles. 8-) (It does play well on a
Tablet PC with a mouse, however.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Jonathan Sachs" <llm040903@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:27:32 +0000, usenet@alienrat.co.uk (Woody)
> wrote:
>
>>> If you mean the display device's coordinates, that would be most
>>> astonishing, since Windows (and probably every other modern GUI) uses
>>> device-independent coordinates for all of its internal operations in
>>> both applications and in the OS itself.
>>
>>No it doesn't - maybe for print operations or other devices, but it
>>addresses the screen directly pixel for pixel...
>
> Not so. Windows applications represent postions in Graphics Device
> Independent (GDI) coordinates, and convert to device coordinates only
> for input and output operations. Here's an explanation of how it works
> and why:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...n_gdiover2.asp
>
>>To be honest, I don't really care... All sources available to me are also
>>available to you, so it would be pointless me looking for info which you
>>could find just as easily.
>
> I am inviting you to substantiate statements you made which are
> inconsistent with what I know about Microsoft Windows's GUI
> architecture.
>
> I have cited an authority (Microsoft) which confirms what I said. The
> ball's in your court. If you want to drop it, OK; but it's not clear
> to me why you made those statements in the first place if you're not
> prepared to substantiate them.
>
> My email address is llm040903 at earthlink dot net.

Is the OP's Wacom Intuous2 analog? I went to the Wacom web site,
but didn't find a clue. If the info was in subsequent posts,
I've overlooked it.

--
TCPW
The Miniature Mage
"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
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> Tablet PCs are unrelated to the Office "handwriting" structure,
> Tom, using digital recognizers behind the Tablet screen to
> sample the user's Ink strokes at roughly three to four times
> that which you're currently doing with the analog connection.
>
> On a Tablet PC, especially with XP SP2 and the Tablet PC
> Edition 2005 installed, the Office 2003 versions are much
> improved, and generally don't rely on the office version of
> "handwriting" for Ink input/conversion to text. As for the
> specific character input, that would be a matter of your own
> handwriting and perhaps using an additional dictionary or even
> the PowerToys Dictionary for Tablet PC.
>
> Tablet PC MVP Fritz Switzer has several SPIDs on his web site:
> www.abletfactory.com which may be of assistance to you, too.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Tom Doster" <TomDoster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> news:399253FD-D4C5-41B1-ADE9-5C54CCF5AC99@microsoft.com...
>> Hi All,
>> I hope this is an appropriate location for this posting. (I
>> mistakenly
>> posted this on Office - and I don't know how to delete it.)
>>
>> I am using the base handwriting recognition software that came
>> with Windows
>> XP Pro on a vanilla laptop. Is there improved handwriting
>> recognition
>> software available for this operating system?
>>
>> I am running Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 1 on a
>> vanilla IBM
>> ThinkPad T30 (not any kind of pen tablet).
>>
>> In 2003 I was told that something better for Excel, perhaps
>> from the Tablet
>> PC world, would be available in mid-2004. I'm looking for
>> better control in
>> Excel, but I'm also looking for better handwriting recognition
>> for everyday
>> words, and especially for certain unusual character sequences
>> such as 10 GbE,
>> VLAN, and eSTI-M.
>>
>> I have Excel 2002.
>>
>> I use a Wacom Intuos2 graphics tablet.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Tom Doster
>
>

We don't support Office "handwriting" input via a writing pad on laptops
here. I explained the Tablet PC portion.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"MiniMage" <minimage@REMOVEstdio.com> wrote in message
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> Is the OP's Wacom Intuous2 analog? I went to the Wacom web site, but
> didn't find a clue. If the info was in subsequent posts, I've overlooked
> it.
>
> --
> TCPW
> The Miniature Mage