I would love to have a TabletPC, but the prices just are not coming down. The
original Acer machines are priced within $100 of their intro price two years
ago. Compare any TabletPC to an "equivalent" laptop (same processor, clock
speed, memory, accessories), and the TabletPC is 80% or more higher in price.

Example--
HP Compaq TC1100, 1.1 GHz Pentium M, 512 MB, 40 GB drive, no software
bundle, no optical drive: $2199.
HP Pavilion ze2000, 1.5 GHz Pentium M, 512 MB, 40 GB drive, DVD/CD-RW drive,
software bundle: $1023.

One of our biggest area retailers stopped carrying TabletPC's because it
took 16 months to sell 12 of them. Gee, I wonder why, when you can buy a 2.2
GHz Athlon64 laptop, or a 2.4 GHz Intel M laptop, with 1GB of RAM and
built-in DVD/CD-RW, for $1500.

I know that Microsoft has no control over the selling price of these
machines, but from a hardware point of view, they can't be that expensive to
produce any more. Does Microsoft have any comment on this? After all,
Microsoft continues to push TabletPC's.

"D'Hag" <DHag@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:37D9EC75-7040-4138-9ED2-DD9346290A99@microsoft.com...
>I would love to have a TabletPC, but the prices just are not coming down.
>The
> original Acer machines are priced within $100 of their intro price two
> years
> ago. Compare any TabletPC to an "equivalent" laptop (same processor, clock
> speed, memory, accessories), and the TabletPC is 80% or more higher in
> price.

> One of our biggest area retailers stopped carrying TabletPC's because it
> took 16 months to sell 12 of them. Gee, I wonder why, when you can buy a
> 2.2
> GHz Athlon64 laptop, or a 2.4 GHz Intel M laptop, with 1GB of RAM and
> built-in DVD/CD-RW, for $1500.

Yeah very few places stock any in the UK, and the stock they have is usually
limited to one of two models - ones which are obviously high margin for
them. Which does suck.

I was just looking at the Averatec C3500, which is around the price I'd be
willing to pay - but the poor battery life, I mean is it really hard to
include a high capacity battery with the things?

Does a convertible really cost much more to manufacture then a laptop? £100
may be, for the screen, the extra markups are just silly, and are seriously
getting old.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://www.dasmirnov.net/
http://windows.dasmirnov.net/ Windows XP Resource Site.

*Replace nospam with smirnov to reply by e-mail*

In article <Opl7K14DFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,=20
Paul@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
> "D'Hag" <DHag@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message=20
> news:37D9EC75-7040-4138-9ED2-DD9346290A99@microsoft.com...
> >I would love to have a TabletPC, but the prices just are not coming down=
..=20
> >The
> > original Acer machines are priced within $100 of their intro price two=
=20
> > years
> > ago. Compare any TabletPC to an "equivalent" laptop (same processor, cl=
ock
> > speed, memory, accessories), and the TabletPC is 80% or more higher in=
=20
> > price.
>=20
> > One of our biggest area retailers stopped carrying TabletPC's because i=
t
> > took 16 months to sell 12 of them. Gee, I wonder why, when you can buy =
a=20
> > 2.2
> > GHz Athlon64 laptop, or a 2.4 GHz Intel M laptop, with 1GB of RAM and
> > built-in DVD/CD-RW, for $1500.
>=20
> Does a convertible really cost much more to manufacture then a laptop? =
=A3100=20
> may be, for the screen, the extra markups are just silly, and are serious=
ly=20
> getting old.

I would have thought that yes, a convertible does cost more to=20
manufacture, especially as a normal laptop case is a commodity item and=20
sells in large numbers.

Also from the original poster, he is not comparing like for like -=20
comparing the top TC1100 with one of the budget laptops which doesn't=20
have the high quality screen, the 3 year warrantee and is probably built=20
down to a price.

Probably better to compare with a TC4200, which should be cheaper (and=20
has the same processor).

Yes, they are a bit more expensive, but you are paying for a lower=20
volume manufactured item, so it will be.

Coo - someone else in Yeovil,UK interested in a tablet? Didn't think I=20
would see that!

--=20
Woody
Played Yagol for tabletPC yet?
http://www.alienrat.com/games

I doubt you'll ever see an official response from Microsoft. I believe the
prices have come down somewhat, and as other entries - like Averatec - enter
the market we will be seeing pricing nearer the $1,000 range.

While the prices haven't exactly plummeted, each new entry (even from
original OEMs) seems to be slightly less in price and better, more refined
hardware. Have you priced a plasma TV screen lately? 8-) I remember when
a hand-held calculator from Texas Instruments cost a prohibitive amount, and
now they're about $3.95 in Wal-Mart - and solar powered to boot so no
batteries required. 8-)

Remember, too, the Tablet PCs have been on the market less than two and a
half years. How much did computers or laptops drop when they first became
available to the general public? Not much. A lot of these companies
involved in Tablets have been working many years in research and development
before even thinking about entering the market place. It just takes time.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"D'Hag" <DHag@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:37D9EC75-7040-4138-9ED2-DD9346290A99@microsoft.com...
>I would love to have a TabletPC, but the prices just are not coming down.
>The
> original Acer machines are priced within $100 of their intro price two
> years
> ago. Compare any TabletPC to an "equivalent" laptop (same processor, clock
> speed, memory, accessories), and the TabletPC is 80% or more higher in
> price.
>
> Example--
> HP Compaq TC1100, 1.1 GHz Pentium M, 512 MB, 40 GB drive, no software
> bundle, no optical drive: $2199.
> HP Pavilion ze2000, 1.5 GHz Pentium M, 512 MB, 40 GB drive, DVD/CD-RW
> drive,
> software bundle: $1023.
>
> One of our biggest area retailers stopped carrying TabletPC's because it
> took 16 months to sell 12 of them. Gee, I wonder why, when you can buy a
> 2.2
> GHz Athlon64 laptop, or a 2.4 GHz Intel M laptop, with 1GB of RAM and
> built-in DVD/CD-RW, for $1500.
>
> I know that Microsoft has no control over the selling price of these
> machines, but from a hardware point of view, they can't be that expensive
> to
> produce any more. Does Microsoft have any comment on this? After all,
> Microsoft continues to push TabletPC's.

I too remember paying $300 in 1974 for a 4 function calculator that I could
carry around in my brief case.

--
howard


"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:OzZqpy5DFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

<snip>
I remember when a hand-held calculator from Texas Instruments cost a
prohibitive amount, and now they're about $3.95 in Wal-Mart - and solar
powered to boot so no batteries required. 8-)
</snip>

> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>

In the long run smaller tablets could be less expensive, but one sees no
evidence for this so far judging by pseudo-tablets such as the Sony U750P.

"Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Opl7K14DFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Does a convertible really cost much more to manufacture then a laptop?
> £100 may be, for the screen, the extra markups are just silly, and are
> seriously getting old.

I am a student and can see, on paper at least, to terrific advantages of
a Tablet PC. The price differential between Tablet PCs and regular
laptops is, however, significant. The primary problem though is there
really isn't any way for me to determine if the price differential is
going to be worth it.

I know of no other students on campus who have them so I can’t get a
hands-on demonstration or borrow one to use. There are two CompUSA
stores in town. One has a Toshiba M205. Unfortunately, there is no
stylus, so you really can’t get a demonstration or try them out for
yourself. I mentioned this to the salesman, and he uninterestedly said:
“Yea, I know. They keep getting stolen and we don’t have any more.”
The other CompUSA store has an Averatec. Unfortunately, it is bolted to
the display table and none of the salesmen know how to use it. None of
the Franklin Covey stores here carry them anymore.

It’s tough to justify paying the premium on a hope and a prayer that it
will be worth it.

What’s one to do?


Mickey Segal wrote:
> In the long run smaller tablets could be less expensive, but one sees no
> evidence for this so far judging by pseudo-tablets such as the Sony U750P.
>
> "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Opl7K14DFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
>>Does a convertible really cost much more to manufacture then a laptop?
>>£100 may be, for the screen, the extra markups are just silly, and are
>>seriously getting old.
>
>
>

What city are you in, Frank, and could you post the addresses for the
CompUSA stores please?
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Frank Berryman" <rumford@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:TUPOd.13491$mu6.6931@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
>I am a student and can see, on paper at least, to terrific advantages of a
>Tablet PC. The price differential between Tablet PCs and regular laptops
>is, however, significant. The primary problem though is there really isn't
>any way for me to determine if the price differential is going to be worth
>it.
>
> I know of no other students on campus who have them so I can’t get a
> hands-on demonstration or borrow one to use. There are two CompUSA stores
> in town. One has a Toshiba M205. Unfortunately, there is no stylus, so
> you really can’t get a demonstration or try them out for yourself. I
> mentioned this to the salesman, and he uninterestedly said: “Yea, I know.
> They keep getting stolen and we don’t have any more.” The other CompUSA
> store has an Averatec. Unfortunately, it is bolted to the display table
> and none of the salesmen know how to use it. None of the Franklin Covey
> stores here carry them anymore.
>
> It’s tough to justify paying the premium on a hope and a prayer that it
> will be worth it.
>
> What’s one to do?
>
>
> Mickey Segal wrote:
>> In the long run smaller tablets could be less expensive, but one sees no
>> evidence for this so far judging by pseudo-tablets such as the Sony
>> U750P.
>>
>> "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:Opl7K14DFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Does a convertible really cost much more to manufacture then a laptop?
>>>£100 may be, for the screen, the extra markups are just silly, and are
>>>seriously getting old.
>>
>>

Woody--
When I wrote "TC1100," it was a mistake. The specs and price I listed WERE
for the TC4200, taken off of HP's own sales site. Thought I should clarifiy
that.

"Woody" wrote:

> In article <Opl7K14DFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
> Paul@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
> > "D'Hag" <DHag@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:37D9EC75-7040-4138-9ED2-DD9346290A99@microsoft.com...
> > >I would love to have a TabletPC, but the prices just are not coming down..
> > >The
> > > original Acer machines are priced within $100 of their intro price two
> > > years
> > > ago. Compare any TabletPC to an "equivalent" laptop (same processor, clock
> > > speed, memory, accessories), and the TabletPC is 80% or more higher in
> > > price.
> >
> > > One of our biggest area retailers stopped carrying TabletPC's because it
> > > took 16 months to sell 12 of them. Gee, I wonder why, when you can buy a
> > > 2.2
> > > GHz Athlon64 laptop, or a 2.4 GHz Intel M laptop, with 1GB of RAM and
> > > built-in DVD/CD-RW, for $1500.
> >
> > Does a convertible really cost much more to manufacture then a laptop? £100
> > may be, for the screen, the extra markups are just silly, and are seriously
> > getting old.
>
> I would have thought that yes, a convertible does cost more to
> manufacture, especially as a normal laptop case is a commodity item and
> sells in large numbers.
>
> Also from the original poster, he is not comparing like for like -
> comparing the top TC1100 with one of the budget laptops which doesn't
> have the high quality screen, the 3 year warrantee and is probably built
> down to a price.
>
> Probably better to compare with a TC4200, which should be cheaper (and
> has the same processor).
>
> Yes, they are a bit more expensive, but you are paying for a lower
> volume manufactured item, so it will be.
>
> Coo - someone else in Yeovil,UK interested in a tablet? Didn't think I
> would see that!
>
> --
> Woody
> Played Yagol for tabletPC yet?
> http://www.alienrat.com/games
>

In article <3F6455C9-AFB3-4726-A9EF-4364052FF5E4@microsoft.com>,
D'Hag@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> Woody--
> When I wrote "TC1100," it was a mistake. The specs and price I listed WERE
> for the TC4200, taken off of HP's own sales site. Thought I should clarifiy
> that.


If the specs you listed for the TC4200 then you got them a bit wrong. So
to recap:

Example--
HP Compaq TC1100, 1.1 GHz Pentium M, 512 MB, 40 GB drive, no software
bundle, no optical drive: $2199.
HP Pavilion ze2000, 1.5 GHz Pentium M, 512 MB, 40 GB drive, DVD/CD-RW
drive,
software bundle: $1023.


Changing this to:
HP Compaq TC4200, 12", 1.8GHz Pentium M, 512Mb, 60 GB drive, software
unknown, no optical drive: $2179

so need a new comparable laptop of the same size to compare against..
HP Compaq NC4010, 12", 1.7GHz Pentium M, 512Mb, 40 GB drive, software
unknown, no optical drive: $2,049.00

Wacom A4 graphics tablet: $449

(a HP NC4200 would be a better comparison but I couldn't find a price on
that)

If you compare like with like, you end up with them not being as
expensive as they first seem.

Yes, you can always finder a cheaper laptop somewhere but you are
getting what you pay for.


--
Woody
Played Yagol for tabletPC yet?
http://www.alienrat.com/games

"D'Hag" <DHag@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I know that Microsoft has no control over the selling price of these=20
>machines, but from a hardware point of view, they can't be that =
expensive to=20
>produce any more. Does Microsoft have any comment on this? After all,=20
>Microsoft continues to push TabletPC's.

See http://www.tabletpcreviewspot.com/de...p?newsID=3D169

Regards,
Steffen

I went back to CompUSA. Unbelievable - they had a stylus for the
Toshiba 205 and a salesman who has had actual experience with Tablet PCs
gave me a demonstration! I was very impressed.

The new Toshiba and (especially) HP look enticing. What is the pricing
for the HP tc4200. I saw one place it was going to be $1599 and another
place $1999. Rbushways .doc file shows half a dozen processor options,
so it may just depend on which processor you choose. Surely with half a
dozen options, the processor is socketed. Hard to imagine manufacturing
half a dozen motherboards, although I guess a socketed processor would
be unique on a laptop.

Frank Berryman wrote:
> I am a student and can see, on paper at least, to terrific advantages of
> a Tablet PC. The price differential between Tablet PCs and regular
> laptops is, however, significant. The primary problem though is there
> really isn't any way for me to determine if the price differential is
> going to be worth it.
>
> I know of no other students on campus who have them so I can’t get a
> hands-on demonstration or borrow one to use. There are two CompUSA
> stores in town. One has a Toshiba M205. Unfortunately, there is no
> stylus, so you really can’t get a demonstration or try them out for
> yourself. I mentioned this to the salesman, and he uninterestedly said:
> “Yea, I know. They keep getting stolen and we don’t have any more.”
> The other CompUSA store has an Averatec. Unfortunately, it is bolted to
> the display table and none of the salesmen know how to use it. None of
> the Franklin Covey stores here carry them anymore.
>
> It’s tough to justify paying the premium on a hope and a prayer that it
> will be worth it.
>
> What’s one to do?
>
>
> Mickey Segal wrote:
>
>> In the long run smaller tablets could be less expensive, but one sees
>> no evidence for this so far judging by pseudo-tablets such as the Sony
>> U750P.
>>
>> "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:Opl7K14DFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Does a convertible really cost much more to manufacture then a
>>> laptop? £100 may be, for the screen, the extra markups are just
>>> silly, and are seriously getting old.
>>
>>
>>
>>

Well,

I've used a few different kinds of tablet PC's since they first came
out--going on 3 years now. I am in a position to not have to worry
about costs, so I really have my choice about what kind of notebook to
buy: I would NEVER go back to a regular notebook. In fact, I find it
hard to go to a different tablet computing form factor than the TC1xxx
series (the TC4200 doesn't appeal to me for several reasons).

I bought my college-going son a tablet computer. The Electrovaya
scribbler. It's an AWESOME tablet PC. Sure the TC1xxx is better for
me, but the Scribbler has a battery that goes for about 11 hours
without a recharge; almost essential for someone who goes to college
and uses the tablet to take notes.

Both of us use TC's for different reasons, but for the same purpose: as
a general computing platform (word processing, powerpoint, websurfing,
etc.) and as a note-taker. Seriously, after sitting down at a seminar
ONCE with a tablet PC to scribble notes with, you'll never want a
standard notebook again. Imagine taking notes at a lecture where the
speaker goes off on a tangent, then goes back to the original
topic--with a tablet PC, you just "move" the text you just wrote aside
to make room for the new notes. You have to experience it to
understand how useful this is.

As for handwriting recognition. Don't think about it--in practice it's
not that good... you'll end up doing more editing than if you simply
keyboarded the thing in. BUT I've only used HWR to demo that it's
possible to do--and I never really use it. The notes I take are saved
as vector graphics--and when I print them out, they look like college
ruled paper. After all, how many people would actually use verbatim
something they jotted down in haste?

I've owned the Electrovaya and Viewsonic slates. I've owned the TC1000
and the TC1100 convertibles. OF all the slates I've used, Electrovaya
is the best (long battery life which more than makes up for the lack of
the built in keyboard). The TC1000 was way too slow. The TC1100 is
perfect (even with the small screen size).


Frank Berryman wrote:
> I am a student and can see, on paper at least, to terrific advantages
of
> a Tablet PC. The price differential between Tablet PCs and regular
> laptops is, however, significant. The primary problem though is
there
> really isn't any way for me to determine if the price differential is

> going to be worth it.
>
> I know of no other students on campus who have them so I can't get
a
> hands-on demonstration or borrow one to use. There are two CompUSA
> stores in town. One has a Toshiba M205. Unfortunately, there is no
> stylus, so you really can't get a demonstration or try them out for

> yourself. I mentioned this to the salesman, and he uninterestedly
said:
> "Yea, I know. They keep getting stolen and we don't have any
more."
> The other CompUSA store has an Averatec. Unfortunately, it is bolted
to
> the display table and none of the salesmen know how to use it. None
of
> the Franklin Covey stores here carry them anymore.
>
> It's tough to justify paying the premium on a hope and a prayer
that it
> will be worth it.
>
> What's one to do?
>
>
> Mickey Segal wrote:
> > In the long run smaller tablets could be less expensive, but one
sees no
> > evidence for this so far judging by pseudo-tablets such as the Sony
U750P.
> >
> > "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:Opl7K14DFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >
> >>Does a convertible really cost much more to manufacture then a
laptop?
> >>=A3100 may be, for the screen, the extra markups are just silly, and
are=20
> >>seriously getting old.
> >=20
> >=20
> >

Just curious, are you running Windows XP SP2 and the Tablet PC Edition 2005?
I've found the recognition quite excellent. If you take a lot of notes, you
might want to use Windows Journal, which is designed for the Tablet PC
exclusively, and take a look at Microsoft's OneNote program which has a
nice, 45-minute demonstration here:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/as...423061033.aspx
--
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
In memory of a true friend, Windows MVP Alex Nichol

Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Dai Ichi" <daiichi@googlenews.test.xhome.us> wrote in message
news:1111618348.975032.124450@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...

Well,

I've used a few different kinds of tablet PC's since they first came
out--going on 3 years now. I am in a position to not have to worry
about costs, so I really have my choice about what kind of notebook to
buy: I would NEVER go back to a regular notebook. In fact, I find it
hard to go to a different tablet computing form factor than the TC1xxx
series (the TC4200 doesn't appeal to me for several reasons).

I bought my college-going son a tablet computer. The Electrovaya
scribbler. It's an AWESOME tablet PC. Sure the TC1xxx is better for
me, but the Scribbler has a battery that goes for about 11 hours
without a recharge; almost essential for someone who goes to college
and uses the tablet to take notes.

Both of us use TC's for different reasons, but for the same purpose: as
a general computing platform (word processing, powerpoint, websurfing,
etc.) and as a note-taker. Seriously, after sitting down at a seminar
ONCE with a tablet PC to scribble notes with, you'll never want a
standard notebook again. Imagine taking notes at a lecture where the
speaker goes off on a tangent, then goes back to the original
topic--with a tablet PC, you just "move" the text you just wrote aside
to make room for the new notes. You have to experience it to
understand how useful this is.

As for handwriting recognition. Don't think about it--in practice it's
not that good... you'll end up doing more editing than if you simply
keyboarded the thing in. BUT I've only used HWR to demo that it's
possible to do--and I never really use it. The notes I take are saved
as vector graphics--and when I print them out, they look like college
ruled paper. After all, how many people would actually use verbatim
something they jotted down in haste?

I've owned the Electrovaya and Viewsonic slates. I've owned the TC1000
and the TC1100 convertibles. OF all the slates I've used, Electrovaya
is the best (long battery life which more than makes up for the lack of
the built in keyboard). The TC1000 was way too slow. The TC1100 is
perfect (even with the small screen size).


Frank Berryman wrote:
> I am a student and can see, on paper at least, to terrific advantages
of
> a Tablet PC. The price differential between Tablet PCs and regular
> laptops is, however, significant. The primary problem though is
there
> really isn't any way for me to determine if the price differential is

> going to be worth it.
>
> I know of no other students on campus who have them so I can't get
a
> hands-on demonstration or borrow one to use. There are two CompUSA
> stores in town. One has a Toshiba M205. Unfortunately, there is no
> stylus, so you really can't get a demonstration or try them out for

> yourself. I mentioned this to the salesman, and he uninterestedly
said:
> "Yea, I know. They keep getting stolen and we don't have any
more."
> The other CompUSA store has an Averatec. Unfortunately, it is bolted
to
> the display table and none of the salesmen know how to use it. None
of
> the Franklin Covey stores here carry them anymore.
>
> It's tough to justify paying the premium on a hope and a prayer
that it
> will be worth it.
>
> What's one to do?
>
>
> Mickey Segal wrote:
> > In the long run smaller tablets could be less expensive, but one
sees no
> > evidence for this so far judging by pseudo-tablets such as the Sony
U750P.
> >
> > "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:Opl7K14DFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >
> >>Does a convertible really cost much more to manufacture then a
laptop?
> >>£100 may be, for the screen, the extra markups are just silly, and
are
> >>seriously getting old.
> >
> >
> >

Yes, I'm using XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 Service Pack 2.

And yes, the handwriting recognition is quite good... but (at least to
me) quite useless. It has nothing to do with the technology (although
99% effectiveness means that you have to correct, for example, one out
of every 20 words or so). The REAL problem with handwriting
recognition is the whole nature of "note taking."

Take for example, a note I took at the last board meeting--if
recognized (100% correctly) it says:

Quote:

Email - Director/Manager PMR
BD - Always Present
Contracts
Finance

Endquote

The email I wrote:

To All Directors and Managers

The Program Management Review for the Board of Directors, must always
include your issues and goals for Business Development, a status of
contracts, and your program financial status.


---
Going from notes to finished product is easy when your reviewing your
notes and interpreting as you go. Because of the brevity of my notes
(they are meant to jog my memory, not replace it), it's practically
useless to do OCR. I am not alone here, two of my employees and my son
do exactly the same thing

I tried OneNote for its organizational capabilities, but I found I was
more content with Journal and its quick startup time. I can organize
notes by saving them in proper folders.

Perhaps I am just part of the minority... but I find I type a lot
faster than I write--so I never compose finished product freehand.
Instead, I reserve freehand for notetaking and drawing.



Chris H. wrote:
> Just curious, are you running Windows XP SP2 and the Tablet PC
Edition 2005?
> I've found the recognition quite excellent. If you take a lot of
notes, you
> might want to use Windows Journal, which is designed for the Tablet
PC
> exclusively, and take a look at Microsoft's OneNote program which has
a
> nice, 45-minute demonstration here:
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/as...423061033.aspx
> --
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> In memory of a true friend, Windows MVP Alex Nichol
>
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Dai Ichi" <daiichi@googlenews.test.xhome.us> wrote in message
> news:1111618348.975032.124450@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Well,
>
> I've used a few different kinds of tablet PC's since they first came
> out--going on 3 years now. I am in a position to not have to worry
> about costs, so I really have my choice about what kind of notebook
to
> buy: I would NEVER go back to a regular notebook. In fact, I find it
> hard to go to a different tablet computing form factor than the
TC1xxx
> series (the TC4200 doesn't appeal to me for several reasons).
>
> I bought my college-going son a tablet computer. The Electrovaya
> scribbler. It's an AWESOME tablet PC. Sure the TC1xxx is better for
> me, but the Scribbler has a battery that goes for about 11 hours
> without a recharge; almost essential for someone who goes to college
> and uses the tablet to take notes.
>
> Both of us use TC's for different reasons, but for the same purpose:
as
> a general computing platform (word processing, powerpoint,
websurfing,
> etc.) and as a note-taker. Seriously, after sitting down at a
seminar
> ONCE with a tablet PC to scribble notes with, you'll never want a
> standard notebook again. Imagine taking notes at a lecture where the
> speaker goes off on a tangent, then goes back to the original
> topic--with a tablet PC, you just "move" the text you just wrote
aside
> to make room for the new notes. You have to experience it to
> understand how useful this is.
>
> As for handwriting recognition. Don't think about it--in practice
it's
> not that good... you'll end up doing more editing than if you simply
> keyboarded the thing in. BUT I've only used HWR to demo that it's
> possible to do--and I never really use it. The notes I take are
saved
> as vector graphics--and when I print them out, they look like college
> ruled paper. After all, how many people would actually use verbatim
> something they jotted down in haste?
>
> I've owned the Electrovaya and Viewsonic slates. I've owned the
TC1000
> and the TC1100 convertibles. OF all the slates I've used,
Electrovaya
> is the best (long battery life which more than makes up for the lack
of
> the built in keyboard). The TC1000 was way too slow. The TC1100 is
> perfect (even with the small screen size).
>
>
> Frank Berryman wrote:
> > I am a student and can see, on paper at least, to terrific
advantages
> of
> > a Tablet PC. The price differential between Tablet PCs and regular
> > laptops is, however, significant. The primary problem though is
> there
> > really isn't any way for me to determine if the price differential
is
>
> > going to be worth it.
> >
> > I know of no other students on campus who have them so I can't get
> a
> > hands-on demonstration or borrow one to use. There are two CompUSA
> > stores in town. One has a Toshiba M205. Unfortunately, there is
no
> > stylus, so you really can't get a demonstration or try them out for
>
> > yourself. I mentioned this to the salesman, and he uninterestedly
> said:
> > "Yea, I know. They keep getting stolen and we don't have any
> more."
> > The other CompUSA store has an Averatec. Unfortunately, it is
bolted
> to
> > the display table and none of the salesmen know how to use it. None
> of
> > the Franklin Covey stores here carry them anymore.
> >
> > It's tough to justify paying the premium on a hope and a prayer
> that it
> > will be worth it.
> >
> > What's one to do?
> >
> >
> > Mickey Segal wrote:
> > > In the long run smaller tablets could be less expensive, but one
> sees no
> > > evidence for this so far judging by pseudo-tablets such as the
Sony
> U750P.
> > >
> > > "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:Opl7K14DFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > >
> > >>Does a convertible really cost much more to manufacture then a
> laptop?
> > >>=A3100 may be, for the screen, the extra markups are just silly,
and
> are
> > >>seriously getting old.
> > >
> > >
> > >