Hi, I need to mark up pdfs, the only problem is journals printer sucks
in terms of having such a low resolution. Is there a hack or something
I can use so I can bumb up the resolution to 300*300 or something? At
the moment I don't have many options, I can either copy, paste & resize
everysingle page into journal, and tehre is still some quality lost in
the cut and paste. I can buy onenote and use that powertool printer
which works perfectly, but I don't like onenotes interface and how
everything is integrated and how saving seems obsolete etc, I just
don't like trusting the program with all my notes.
There is an early version of a pdf anotator but that can't even read
pds properly.

Please can someone help.

$50 for anyone who can give me a working pdf to journal printer so the
output is of a higher quality, without useing stupid amounts of
resources.

The problem is not necessarily with Windows Journal, but the Adobe product
itself which doesn't natively support Ink and mark-ups. You might take a
look at PDF Annotator from Grahl Software Design:
http://www.ograhl.com/en/pdfannotator/ They've figured out how to save the
Ink in PDF without "printing" it.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"JohnDoe" <maps@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1106839174.822821.140130@c13g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi, I need to mark up pdfs, the only problem is journals printer sucks
> in terms of having such a low resolution. Is there a hack or something
> I can use so I can bumb up the resolution to 300*300 or something? At
> the moment I don't have many options, I can either copy, paste & resize
> everysingle page into journal, and tehre is still some quality lost in
> the cut and paste. I can buy onenote and use that powertool printer
> which works perfectly, but I don't like onenotes interface and how
> everything is integrated and how saving seems obsolete etc, I just
> don't like trusting the program with all my notes.
> There is an early version of a pdf anotator but that can't even read
> pds properly.
>
> Please can someone help.
>
> $50 for anyone who can give me a working pdf to journal printer so the
> output is of a higher quality, without useing stupid amounts of
> resources.
>

It looks like I'm going to have to switch over to onenote, so I'll
cancell that reward if people don't mind.
It is a problem with microsoft journal printer, as they don't offer any
option to increase quality. They offer very crap, and crap. One could
complain to adobe but pdfs are a very general format and there is no
real reason for them to give tablet pc's support, whereas microsoft
could do what I want just like that if they could be asked, I'm sure
all ready have a version which does what I want.

Like I said I have tried PDF Annotator, but it can't read pdfs properly
so...

JohnDoe wrote:
> Hi, I need to mark up pdfs, the only problem is journals printer sucks
> in terms of having such a low resolution.

Reprinting PDFs is lossy - it's not a format designed for repurposing to
a new format: it's an end-state output.

> Is there a hack or something
> I can use so I can bumb up the resolution to 300*300 or something? At
> the moment I don't have many options, I can either copy, paste & resize
> everysingle page into journal, and tehre is still some quality lost in
> the cut and paste. I can buy onenote and use that powertool printer
> which works perfectly, but I don't like onenotes interface and how
> everything is integrated and how saving seems obsolete etc, I just
> don't like trusting the program with all my notes.
> There is an early version of a pdf anotator but that can't even read
> pds properly.
>
> Please can someone help.
>
> $50 for anyone who can give me a working pdf to journal printer so the
> output is of a higher quality, without useing stupid amounts of
> resources.

There's the rub - going to higher DPI would use much higher resources.
NB: Journal Note Writer compresses b&w and colour differently.

JohnDoe wrote:
> One could
> complain to adobe but pdfs are a very general format and there is no
> real reason for them to give tablet pc's support,

Adobe could help create a whole new market by supporting ink properly.

> whereas microsoft
> could do what I want just like that if they could be asked, I'm sure
> all ready have a version which does what I want.

Not so easily, there is a resource cost to increasing the DPI capture
resolution. PDF was the format that produced the most (maybe all of
them) headaches when testing the driver. Trying to patch issues in other
people's software is ultimately not very productive. Adobe have had two
major product releases to add the Tablet PC "support" they claim to
provide ... which in fact seems to mean "old features run, doesn't
crash" rather than "supports new features of the platform".

How about the fact that there is no printer driver for OneNote. One
person hacked together a printer so you can print anything into
onenote. I tried it at first and the output was identical to the
journal printer, then I found the options to bump up the resolution and
it prints fine. Yeh 10 pages takes up about 4megs but who cares it's
not the end of the world when a files is 4 megs. I thought about the
resource issue and it seems pretty much bunk, if I can copy and past
every page from a pdf file into journal and it works ok I'm sure
Microsoft can put together a printer with reasnable resolution.

It is a joke atm, try printing a journal files with the journal
printer, so journal to journal and look how crap it is.

Reprinting PDF to onenote works perfectly, there is no loss viewable
and I have found no performance issues at all. I'm sure it would be
even easier in journal

JohnDoe wrote:
> How about the fact that there is no printer driver for OneNote. One
> person hacked together a printer so you can print anything into
> onenote.

Virtual print-drivers are a dime-a-dozen on the net.

I tried it at first and the output was identical to the
> journal printer, then I found the options to bump up the resolution and
> it prints fine. Yeh 10 pages takes up about 4megs but who cares it's
> not the end of the world when a files is 4 megs. I thought about the
> resource issue and it seems pretty much bunk, if I can copy and past
> every page from a pdf file into journal and it works ok I'm sure
> Microsoft can put together a printer with reasnable resolution.

Copy and paste is not even close to the same thing as taking the output
from a program's print stream.

> It is a joke atm, try printing a journal files with the journal
> printer, so journal to journal and look how crap it is.

You're taking vector graphics and turning them into bitmaps for the most
part, so of course it looks crappy. The target input for the JNW is an
editable productivity app document, not a previously printed document
like PDF. The results of working with PDF will also vary according to
how it was created especially when considering the distinction between
one created via a print driver or by assembling images of screen-shots.

The real ideal is for applications (like Acrobat) to work with ink
natively. Creating lots of intermediate formats for mark-up isn't going
to speed that effort along.

> Reprinting PDF to onenote works perfectly, there is no loss viewable
> and I have found no performance issues at all. I'm sure it would be
> even easier in journal

Well, you're not likely to see any more work done on Journal, so you
will have to get over it and try something else.

Do you have "print to image" chosen in the printer options? The Journal
NoteWriter normally stores stuff as vector, giving the best quality.

"JohnDoe" <maps@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1106866046.707137.227000@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> How about the fact that there is no printer driver for OneNote. One
> person hacked together a printer so you can print anything into
> onenote. I tried it at first and the output was identical to the
> journal printer, then I found the options to bump up the resolution and
> it prints fine. Yeh 10 pages takes up about 4megs but who cares it's
> not the end of the world when a files is 4 megs. I thought about the
> resource issue and it seems pretty much bunk, if I can copy and past
> every page from a pdf file into journal and it works ok I'm sure
> Microsoft can put together a printer with reasnable resolution.
>
> It is a joke atm, try printing a journal files with the journal
> printer, so journal to journal and look how crap it is.
>
> Reprinting PDF to onenote works perfectly, there is no loss viewable
> and I have found no performance issues at all. I'm sure it would be
> even easier in journal
>

> Copy and paste is not even close to the same thing as >taking the
output
> from a program's print stream.
I was just showing the performance issue is bunk, having loads of
pictures will not be better than the native format of the program.

> > It is a joke atm, try printing a journal files with the journal
> > printer, so journal to journal and look how crap it is.
>
> You're taking vector graphics and turning them into bitmaps for the
most
> part, so of course it looks crappy. The target input for the JNW is
an
> editable productivity app document, not a previously printed document

> like PDF. The results of working with PDF will also vary according to

> how it was created especially when considering the distinction
between
> one created via a print driver or by assembling images of
screen-shots.
The reason it doesn't look the same is simply the low resolution, not
any of this other crap you are talking about, well everything else can
be overcome by upping the resolution.

> The real ideal is for applications (like Acrobat) to work with ink
> natively. Creating lots of intermediate formats for mark-up isn't
going
> to speed that effort along.
>
> Well, you're not likely to see any more work done on Journal, so you
> will have to get over it and try something else.
I don't need anymore real work done, I just want an option to up the
resolution for the journal printer, which would take less than 10min by
someone who was involved making it in the first place...

I don't want half my notes in journal and the other half in pdf, I want
them all to be the same format... Stop blaming adobe, this is 100% a
problem with the journal printer being crap. Hey I know what half my
notes are in .ps format, now why don't you blame another group of
people instead and say how great microsoft are.

JohnDoe wrote:
>>Copy and paste is not even close to the same thing as >taking the
>
> output
>
>>from a program's print stream.
>
> I was just showing the performance issue is bunk, having loads of
> pictures will not be better than the native format of the program.

Your analogy does not demonstrate anything about the performance of printing

>>Well, you're not likely to see any more work done on Journal, so you
>>will have to get over it and try something else.
>
> I don't need anymore real work done, I just want an option to up the
> resolution for the journal printer, which would take less than 10min by
> someone who was involved making it in the first place...



> I don't want half my notes in journal and the other half in pdf,

Then (1) stop using PDF; and/or (2) create JNTs from original documents,
not PDFs.

I want
> them all to be the same format... Stop blaming adobe, this is 100% a
> problem with the journal printer being crap. Hey I know what half my
> notes are in .ps format, now why don't you blame another group of
> people instead and say how great microsoft are.

I'm not going to say that. Here's what I've written on the print driver
issue before: http://msmvps.com/thinice/archive/2004/08/22/12199.aspx

Tito wrote:
> Do you have "print to image" chosen in the printer options? The Journal
> NoteWriter normally stores stuff as vector, giving the best quality.

It can if the output is provided thus, but I doubt that Acrobat's print
output code is optimized for another printer driver. That would not be
good business for them.

> > I don't want half my notes in journal and the other half in pdf,
>
> Then (1) stop using PDF; and/or (2) create JNTs from original documents,
> not PDFs.
I don't have the original documents and even if I had, I don't know how to
or have the ability to read them. They are lecture notes. If I only have
access to the pdf files, why can't I have the option of creating JNTs from
the pds or ps files? Like I have said it is not impossible to get good
looking files from these pdfs or .ps.

> I want
> > them all to be the same format... Stop blaming adobe, this is 100% a
> > problem with the journal printer being crap. Hey I know what half my
> > notes are in .ps format, now why don't you blame another group of
> > people instead and say how great microsoft are.
>
> I'm not going to say that. Here's what I've written on the print driver
> issue before: http://msmvps.com/thinice/archive/2004/08/22/12199.aspx
>
I don't understand what your saying there... "virtial printer drivers are
bad cause they are not native to windows and there are lots of them¿"

If you helped develop the journal note writer, I'm sure you can tell me if
it would be easy to double the quality/resolution etc from the "treat as a
picture option."

"Mike Williams [MVP]" wrote:

> Tito wrote:
> > Do you have "print to image" chosen in the printer options? The Journal
> > NoteWriter normally stores stuff as vector, giving the best quality.
>
> It can if the output is provided thus, but I doubt that Acrobat's print
> output code is optimized for another printer driver. That would not be
> good business for them.
>
Is someone can put together "another print driver" and it will work
perfectly then it doesn't matter about if they havn't optimised their output.

Unparagoned wrote:
> "Mike Williams [MVP]" wrote:
>
>
>>Tito wrote:
>>
>>>Do you have "print to image" chosen in the printer options? The Journal
>>>NoteWriter normally stores stuff as vector, giving the best quality.
>>
>>It can if the output is provided thus, but I doubt that Acrobat's print
>>output code is optimized for another printer driver. That would not be
>>good business for them.
>>
>
> Is someone can put together "another print driver" and it will work
> perfectly then it doesn't matter about if they havn't optimised their output.

Then use it. As I said, you're not likely to see another revision of the
JNW driver.

Unparagoned wrote:
>>>I don't want half my notes in journal and the other half in pdf,
>>
>>Then (1) stop using PDF; and/or (2) create JNTs from original documents,
>>not PDFs.
>
> I don't have the original documents and even if I had, I don't know how to
> or have the ability to read them.

There are products around to recreate original documents from PDF, e.g.
from Scansoft.

> They are lecture notes. If I only have
> access to the pdf files, why can't I have the option of creating JNTs from
> the pds or ps files? Like I have said it is not impossible to get good
> looking files from these pdfs or .ps.

May not be impossible, but the effort to work with all the painful
sub-varieties of PDF was not worth the effort for a v1 product like
Journal/Note Writer. With finite resources you have to draw the line
somewhere.

> I don't understand what your saying there... "virtial printer drivers are
> bad cause they are not native to windows and there are lots of them¿"

The "lots of them" and very little mutual compatibility is the problem.
I can see JNT format getting little to no support in the future (and
probably being orphaned altogether, as happened with the MIX/FPX image
format), whereas PDF is likely to be around for a long time. Another
good reason to have native ink support in Acrobat. Note, there is
nothing to stop having the right ink support in PDF but you would need a
special plug-in to render the ink.

> If you helped develop the journal note writer, I'm sure you can tell
me if
> it would be easy to double the quality/resolution etc from the "treat as a
> picture option."

IIRC an output quality option slider was there in an early
implementation, but for most documents it was overkill (especially with
the bi-level compression techniques used), and don't actually solve the
major problems of re-processing PDFs.