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Old 12-17-2004, 01:16 PM
Mickey Segal
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Need external screen blanking while entering password

While giving a talk today using a slate Tablet PC I had to go through
contortions to log into our software on the Web without revealing my
password. It would be helpful if there were a good way to do this.

When I got to the password textfield I had to press the hardware button on
the Motion Computing M1300 bringing up the "Dashboard" program and disable
the external display. After entering the password I had to reverse the
process. Since it takes a few seconds for the Dashboard to appear the whole
process was awkward.

Is there a better way of doing this?

It is not hard to imagine OS support that could make this easier. If there
were a property to designate for a textfield that turned off the external
display when that textfield was displaying the TIP that would work, though
the programmer would have to know of such a capability. A better solution
would be to recognize textfields that replace characters with asterisks and
assume those require external display blanking (possibly with some override
for demos of signing in).

Are such capabilities already available or are these the sort of things that
get done properly only in version 3 or 4 of the Tablet OS?


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Mickey Segal
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Re: Need external screen blanking while entering password

I noticed something that may be relevant. Right-clicking the tray icon that
brings up the Tablet and Pen Settings pops up a menu that has a "Turn off
screen" entry. Recklessly I tried it, and it blanked out my screen for a
few seconds and then the display came back, seemingly having done nothing of
any use. Does this do something useful with a projector attached such a
turn off the projector? I don't have a projector to test.

I wrote:
> Are such capabilities already available or are these the sort of things
> that get done properly only in version 3 or 4 of the Tablet OS?



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Old 12-17-2004, 01:16 PM
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Re: Need external screen blanking while entering password

Are you running Tablet PC Edition 2005?
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Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
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"Mickey Segal" <ignored@example.com> wrote in message
news:exdpWiH5EHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> While giving a talk today using a slate Tablet PC I had to go through
> contortions to log into our software on the Web without revealing my
> password. It would be helpful if there were a good way to do this.
>
> When I got to the password textfield I had to press the hardware button on
> the Motion Computing M1300 bringing up the "Dashboard" program and disable
> the external display. After entering the password I had to reverse the
> process. Since it takes a few seconds for the Dashboard to appear the
> whole process was awkward.
>
> Is there a better way of doing this?
>
> It is not hard to imagine OS support that could make this easier. If
> there were a property to designate for a textfield that turned off the
> external display when that textfield was displaying the TIP that would
> work, though the programmer would have to know of such a capability. A
> better solution would be to recognize textfields that replace characters
> with asterisks and assume those require external display blanking
> (possibly with some override for demos of signing in).
>
> Are such capabilities already available or are these the sort of things
> that get done properly only in version 3 or 4 of the Tablet OS?
>



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Old 12-17-2004, 02:15 PM
Mickey Segal
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Re: Need external screen blanking while entering password

Yes, I'm running Tablet PC Edition 2005.

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
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> Are you running Tablet PC Edition 2005?



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Old 12-17-2004, 02:15 PM
Mickey Segal
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Re: Need external screen blanking while entering password

I figured out what this does and it was not what I am looking for. It
blanks out the screen until the next time you touch the screen with the pen.
It would be nice to have a "Blank external screen" item on this popup.

"Mickey Segal" <ignored@example.com> wrote in message
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>I noticed something that may be relevant. Right-clicking the tray icon
>that brings up the Tablet and Pen Settings pops up a menu that has a "Turn
>off screen" entry. Recklessly I tried it, and it blanked out my screen for
>a few seconds and then the display came back, seemingly having done nothing
>of any use.



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Re: Need external screen blanking while entering password

Can't you log on to the system before attaching it to the display? When you
tap the passcode in, Tablet PC Edition 2005 does not display the depressed
keys.
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Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Mickey Segal" <ignored@example.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, I'm running Tablet PC Edition 2005.
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:uR0S6xH5EHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Are you running Tablet PC Edition 2005?

>
>



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Old 12-17-2004, 02:15 PM
Mickey Segal
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Re: Need external screen blanking while entering password

The problem is in running our software from the Web, which requires a log-in
on the Web site.

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
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> Can't you log on to the system before attaching it to the display? When
> you tap the passcode in, Tablet PC Edition 2005 does not display the
> depressed keys.



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Old 12-17-2004, 02:15 PM
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Re: Need external screen blanking while entering password

Oops. 8-) Sorry, there isn't a way to blank that in Tablet PC Edition
2005. I'm pretty sure Microsoft was looking into that at one point, but
probably won't do anything about it until the next operating system.
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Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Mickey Segal" <ignored@example.com> wrote in message
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> The problem is in running our software from the Web, which requires a
> log-in on the Web site.
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:OpqJB8H5EHA.4092@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Can't you log on to the system before attaching it to the display? When
>> you tap the passcode in, Tablet PC Edition 2005 does not display the
>> depressed keys.

>
>



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Old 12-17-2004, 02:15 PM
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Re: Need external screen blanking while entering password

Mickey,

You may get some of the variations I just used to work. It will depend on
the requirements of the exact system your logging into.

For logging on to a couple web-sites. After I entered name, I had
previously, put my password in the Clipboard. Then I would simply put my
pen on the password edit field, when the floating icon for the TIP appeared,
I would right-click the pen barrel and select the Paste option rather than
using the TIP. Voila, My password would be inserted, and putting in a
cr/lf would logon. Fast and easy. This is basically what most of the
type-text-macros would do.

Try it, it may work for you the next time you present. YMMV

Hope this helps,

Fritz

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"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
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> Oops. 8-) Sorry, there isn't a way to blank that in Tablet PC Edition
> 2005. I'm pretty sure Microsoft was looking into that at one point, but
> probably won't do anything about it until the next operating system.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Mickey Segal" <ignored@example.com> wrote in message
> news:uDEiz%23H5EHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> The problem is in running our software from the Web, which requires a
>> log-in on the Web site.
>>
>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>> news:OpqJB8H5EHA.4092@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Can't you log on to the system before attaching it to the display? When
>>> you tap the passcode in, Tablet PC Edition 2005 does not display the
>>> depressed keys.

>>
>>

>
>



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Old 12-17-2004, 03:15 PM
Mickey Segal
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Re: Need external screen blanking while entering password

Good thought. This works for Java TextFields in Sun's Java but
unfortunately it doesn't work at all for Java TextFields in Microsoft's
Java, even when the TIP appears as expected (intermittently it doesn't
appear as detailed at www.segal.org/java/tablet_events/). TextFields in
Microsoft's Java don't even respond to right clicks with a mouse, though
CTRL-V pasting works if you happen to have a keyboard.

"Fritz Switzer" <fritz.switzer@abletfactory.com> wrote in message
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>
> For logging on to a couple web-sites. After I entered name, I had
> previously, put my password in the Clipboard. Then I would simply put my
> pen on the password edit field, when the floating icon for the TIP
> appeared, I would right-click the pen barrel and select the Paste option
> rather than using the TIP.



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Old 12-17-2004, 04:17 PM
Fritz Switzer
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Re: Need external screen blanking while entering password

Mickey,

Yes, I can see how it wouldn't be a "universal" solution. I don't know if
that exists anymore anyway. It will work in some situations, hence the YMMV
needs to apply. :)

Good luck nevetheless. At least it's better than booting a computer while
the audience shuffles in their seats while you tap keys on the TIP.

Fritz


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Microsoft MVP Tablet PC
www.abletfactory.com



"Mickey Segal" <ignored@example.com> wrote in message
news:%23OcDUlI5EHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Good thought. This works for Java TextFields in Sun's Java but
> unfortunately it doesn't work at all for Java TextFields in Microsoft's
> Java, even when the TIP appears as expected (intermittently it doesn't
> appear as detailed at www.segal.org/java/tablet_events/). TextFields in
> Microsoft's Java don't even respond to right clicks with a mouse, though
> CTRL-V pasting works if you happen to have a keyboard.
>
> "Fritz Switzer" <fritz.switzer@abletfactory.com> wrote in message
> news:%2389KpSI5EHA.3120@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>
>> For logging on to a couple web-sites. After I entered name, I had
>> previously, put my password in the Clipboard. Then I would simply put my
>> pen on the password edit field, when the floating icon for the TIP
>> appeared, I would right-click the pen barrel and select the Paste option
>> rather than using the TIP.

>
>



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