Hi, there,

I have some problem with the new tablet pc 2005 and would
like to go back to the basic tablet pc OS, but I was not
able to reinstall the os unless I use the recovery CD and
reformat my HD, is there anyway I can reinstalling the OS
but not reformatting my HD.

Many thks for your advise in advance.

Regards,
Ralph

On 12/3/2004 4:03:21 AM, "Ralph Yeung" wrote:
>Hi, there,
>
>I have some problem with the new tablet pc 2005 and would
>like to go back to the basic tablet pc OS, but I was not
>able to reinstall the os unless I use the recovery CD and
>reformat my HD, is there anyway I can reinstalling the OS
>but not reformatting my HD.
>
>Many thks for your advise in advance.
>
>Regards,
>Ralph
>

the new functionality was part of SP2's install. Do you have the option in
add/remove components to uninstall SP2? I can't test here because I'm using a
build that had SP2 integrated with the install, so for me the 2005 tablet
*is* the "original" now.


--
John

What are your problems? We should fix those rather than have you miss all
the improvements with Tablet PC Edition 2005 and the XP SP2 security
features.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Ralph Yeung" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0d8f01c4d91f$51279a60$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> Hi, there,
>
> I have some problem with the new tablet pc 2005 and would
> like to go back to the basic tablet pc OS, but I was not
> able to reinstall the os unless I use the recovery CD and
> reformat my HD, is there anyway I can reinstalling the OS
> but not reformatting my HD.
>
> Many thks for your advise in advance.
>
> Regards,
> Ralph

Sure, piece of cake. You simply blow the Ghost image that you made before
you installed SP2 onto a new laptop drive, and install this new drive into
your Tablet PC. You did make a Ghost image of the drive didn't you? The
easiest way to do this is to use a desktop you can boot into DOS. Install
your new 2.5" drive into the desktop via IDE adapters that are available to
connect 2.5" drives in a desktop system. Ignore all the warnings about a
partition not being formatted correctly, etc. You get these messages when
copying a recovery partition. In my experience using Ghost 6.5, the
partition copy is made correctly.

If you did not make a Ghost backup (now you know to do that periodically),
then you can uninstall SP2. You can do this by the Install/Uninstall
programs dialog, and also from the $SP2 directory, but you will have to
ignore a lot of warnings that your system may never work again. This is the
Plug-n-Pray part of the repair.

The advice given by others is completely correct. You do want SP2, and all
the current updates from windowsupdate. You do want the .Net Framework 1.1
and its SP. You do not really want to go back to the original release. In
fact, you shouldn't even think of going back to the original Tablet PC
version.

Did I mention that you do not really want to roll back to the original
release? If you are short on disk space, then go to the first paragraph and
think 80GB notebook drive. That's the only really reliable way I know to
preserve your installed applications and registry settings. I haven't ever
been able to successfully get everything back from a windows backup file.
Besides you have to have a working system to use the backup file, and that's
difficult if you have hosed up the Tablet's OS. The only really good backup
is a partition copy that you can slap into a fresh, new drive.


M. T. Sandford

PS: Don't even think about trying to Ghost the drive using Symantec's
network option. Symantec will fiddle around with your MBR and you will be
completely hosed and left without a working system. Please do not ask me
how I know this. Use the method above and DO NOT write to the drive that
you are going to image.

>
> I have some problem with the new tablet pc 2005 and would
> like to go back to the basic tablet pc OS, but I was not
> able to reinstall the os unless I use the recovery CD and
> reformat my HD, is there anyway I can reinstalling the OS
> but not reformatting my HD.
>
> Many thks for your advise in advance.
>
> Regards,
> Ralph

Okay, I just uninstalled SP2 a couple days ago and now you are scaring me.
Where can I go to learn exactly what SP2 the Tablet Edition does for my
computer? I am not computer-literate enough to understand what you just
explained. I need to be able to explain to our Novell network administrator
why I need SP2. He told me I shouldn't have downloaded SP2 in the first
place. I suppose I could copy what you just wrote...

I understand I will have the lost security while I am on the network.
However, I also use my tablet outside of the workplace. Please explain this
to me, so I can explain it to him.

Thanks!

Debbie


"Maxwell Sandford" wrote:

> Sure, piece of cake. You simply blow the Ghost image that you made before
> you installed SP2 onto a new laptop drive, and install this new drive into
> your Tablet PC. You did make a Ghost image of the drive didn't you? The
> easiest way to do this is to use a desktop you can boot into DOS. Install
> your new 2.5" drive into the desktop via IDE adapters that are available to
> connect 2.5" drives in a desktop system. Ignore all the warnings about a
> partition not being formatted correctly, etc. You get these messages when
> copying a recovery partition. In my experience using Ghost 6.5, the
> partition copy is made correctly.
>
> If you did not make a Ghost backup (now you know to do that periodically),
> then you can uninstall SP2. You can do this by the Install/Uninstall
> programs dialog, and also from the $SP2 directory, but you will have to
> ignore a lot of warnings that your system may never work again. This is the
> Plug-n-Pray part of the repair.
>
> The advice given by others is completely correct. You do want SP2, and all
> the current updates from windowsupdate. You do want the .Net Framework 1.1
> and its SP. You do not really want to go back to the original release. In
> fact, you shouldn't even think of going back to the original Tablet PC
> version.
>
> Did I mention that you do not really want to roll back to the original
> release? If you are short on disk space, then go to the first paragraph and
> think 80GB notebook drive. That's the only really reliable way I know to
> preserve your installed applications and registry settings. I haven't ever
> been able to successfully get everything back from a windows backup file.
> Besides you have to have a working system to use the backup file, and that's
> difficult if you have hosed up the Tablet's OS. The only really good backup
> is a partition copy that you can slap into a fresh, new drive.
>
>
> M. T. Sandford
>
> PS: Don't even think about trying to Ghost the drive using Symantec's
> network option. Symantec will fiddle around with your MBR and you will be
> completely hosed and left without a working system. Please do not ask me
> how I know this. Use the method above and DO NOT write to the drive that
> you are going to image.
>
> >
> > I have some problem with the new tablet pc 2005 and would
> > like to go back to the basic tablet pc OS, but I was not
> > able to reinstall the os unless I use the recovery CD and
> > reformat my HD, is there anyway I can reinstalling the OS
> > but not reformatting my HD.
> >
> > Many thks for your advise in advance.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ralph
>
>
>

You need XP SP2 and the Tablet PC Edition 2005 because they're improvements,
fixes and additional security for your computer. As I mentioned in your
other thread, if you prepare properly, you should not have issues.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Debbie" <Debbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6C7CC71C-3A7B-4879-93B6-1F898AB53014@microsoft.com...
> Okay, I just uninstalled SP2 a couple days ago and now you are scaring me.
> Where can I go to learn exactly what SP2 the Tablet Edition does for my
> computer? I am not computer-literate enough to understand what you just
> explained. I need to be able to explain to our Novell network
> administrator
> why I need SP2. He told me I shouldn't have downloaded SP2 in the first
> place. I suppose I could copy what you just wrote...
>
> I understand I will have the lost security while I am on the network.
> However, I also use my tablet outside of the workplace. Please explain
> this
> to me, so I can explain it to him.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Debbie
>
>
> "Maxwell Sandford" wrote:
>
>> Sure, piece of cake. You simply blow the Ghost image that you made
>> before
>> you installed SP2 onto a new laptop drive, and install this new drive
>> into
>> your Tablet PC. You did make a Ghost image of the drive didn't you? The
>> easiest way to do this is to use a desktop you can boot into DOS.
>> Install
>> your new 2.5" drive into the desktop via IDE adapters that are available
>> to
>> connect 2.5" drives in a desktop system. Ignore all the warnings about a
>> partition not being formatted correctly, etc. You get these messages
>> when
>> copying a recovery partition. In my experience using Ghost 6.5, the
>> partition copy is made correctly.
>>
>> If you did not make a Ghost backup (now you know to do that
>> periodically),
>> then you can uninstall SP2. You can do this by the Install/Uninstall
>> programs dialog, and also from the $SP2 directory, but you will have to
>> ignore a lot of warnings that your system may never work again. This is
>> the
>> Plug-n-Pray part of the repair.
>>
>> The advice given by others is completely correct. You do want SP2, and
>> all
>> the current updates from windowsupdate. You do want the .Net Framework
>> 1.1
>> and its SP. You do not really want to go back to the original release.
>> In
>> fact, you shouldn't even think of going back to the original Tablet PC
>> version.
>>
>> Did I mention that you do not really want to roll back to the original
>> release? If you are short on disk space, then go to the first paragraph
>> and
>> think 80GB notebook drive. That's the only really reliable way I know to
>> preserve your installed applications and registry settings. I haven't
>> ever
>> been able to successfully get everything back from a windows backup file.
>> Besides you have to have a working system to use the backup file, and
>> that's
>> difficult if you have hosed up the Tablet's OS. The only really good
>> backup
>> is a partition copy that you can slap into a fresh, new drive.
>>
>>
>> M. T. Sandford
>>
>> PS: Don't even think about trying to Ghost the drive using Symantec's
>> network option. Symantec will fiddle around with your MBR and you will
>> be
>> completely hosed and left without a working system. Please do not ask me
>> how I know this. Use the method above and DO NOT write to the drive that
>> you are going to image.
>>
>> >
>> > I have some problem with the new tablet pc 2005 and would
>> > like to go back to the basic tablet pc OS, but I was not
>> > able to reinstall the os unless I use the recovery CD and
>> > reformat my HD, is there anyway I can reinstalling the OS
>> > but not reformatting my HD.
>> >
>> > Many thks for your advise in advance.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Ralph
>>
>>
>>

On 12/5/2004 8:49:03 PM, =?Utf-8?B?RGViYmll?= wrote:
>Okay, I just uninstalled SP2 a couple days ago and now you are scaring me.
>Where can I go to learn exactly what SP2 the Tablet Edition does for my
>computer? I am not computer-literate enough to understand what you just
>explained. I need to be able to explain to our Novell network administrator
>why I need SP2. He told me I shouldn't have downloaded SP2 in the first
>place. I suppose I could copy what you just wrote...
>
>I understand I will have the lost security while I am on the network.
>However, I also use my tablet outside of the workplace. Please explain this
>to me, so I can explain it to him.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Debbie

Corporate environments often control how / when service pack updates get
rolled out, so you may need to not try this again until the IT department
where you work has it in their plans. Is the tablet PC your own personal
machine, or is it owned by the company? That will also come into play in the
discussion.

The problem they're looking at isn't what security you have in place, it's
what support issues they'll have to deal with. Corporate IT departments
prefer to keep everything as close to the same level as possible so that
they're troubleshooting a known platform. Often there are proprietary issues
within their network, whether it's simple security settings or speical
applications that were written or modified specifically for that company.
Service packs often cause problems with things like that - hence the reason
that your admin is likely saying that you shouldn't have downloaded SP2 in
the first place.

If it's your own personal PC, you certainly have the right to install SP2 if
you desire, but by the same token, I've worked at large companies that simply
disabled user accounts and ports when the users did things to their computers
that they weren't supposed to do. It's the corporate way of "maintaining
integrity of the network"...

So the next step for you will be to have a talk with the administrator and
find out what their plans are for SP2. I know many corporate environments are
keeping it from happening until they finish evaluating it's impact on their
networks. You could be in one of those places.

I know this doesn't do much to help you through the technical issues you were
having with the install and it's results, but hopefully it helps to explain
why you're not getting the support you'd expect from your network admin

--
John

Thanks, John. We have SP2 downloaded on our servers, but I am not a network
person, and I really don't know how that impacts me as I use my tablet.

I am piloting the tablet where I work. I am supposed to use it much like
our potential users would. So, they give me lots of latitude, which is nice.
However, like you said, our network administrator isn't exactly on board, if
you know what I mean. He wasn't pleased that we decided to pilot the tablets.

Don't get me wrong. He is a nice guy. I'm sure he is overworked like most
people working in IT. That's why I'm searching and researching so I can help
him out and try to move forward with the tablets. I am fascinated with this
"new" technology and all the possibilities for its use.

Debbie






"JDThree [MVP]" wrote:

> On 12/5/2004 8:49:03 PM, =?Utf-8?B?RGViYmll?= wrote:
> >Okay, I just uninstalled SP2 a couple days ago and now you are scaring me.
> >Where can I go to learn exactly what SP2 the Tablet Edition does for my
> >computer? I am not computer-literate enough to understand what you just
> >explained. I need to be able to explain to our Novell network administrator
> >why I need SP2. He told me I shouldn't have downloaded SP2 in the first
> >place. I suppose I could copy what you just wrote...
> >
> >I understand I will have the lost security while I am on the network.
> >However, I also use my tablet outside of the workplace. Please explain this
> >to me, so I can explain it to him.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Debbie
>
> Corporate environments often control how / when service pack updates get
> rolled out, so you may need to not try this again until the IT department
> where you work has it in their plans. Is the tablet PC your own personal
> machine, or is it owned by the company? That will also come into play in the
> discussion.
>
> The problem they're looking at isn't what security you have in place, it's
> what support issues they'll have to deal with. Corporate IT departments
> prefer to keep everything as close to the same level as possible so that
> they're troubleshooting a known platform. Often there are proprietary issues
> within their network, whether it's simple security settings or speical
> applications that were written or modified specifically for that company.
> Service packs often cause problems with things like that - hence the reason
> that your admin is likely saying that you shouldn't have downloaded SP2 in
> the first place.
>
> If it's your own personal PC, you certainly have the right to install SP2 if
> you desire, but by the same token, I've worked at large companies that simply
> disabled user accounts and ports when the users did things to their computers
> that they weren't supposed to do. It's the corporate way of "maintaining
> integrity of the network"...
>
> So the next step for you will be to have a talk with the administrator and
> find out what their plans are for SP2. I know many corporate environments are
> keeping it from happening until they finish evaluating it's impact on their
> networks. You could be in one of those places.
>
> I know this doesn't do much to help you through the technical issues you were
> having with the install and it's results, but hopefully it helps to explain
> why you're not getting the support you'd expect from your network admin
>
> --
> John
>

On 12/6/2004 7:01:03 PM, =?Utf-8?B?RGViYmll?= wrote:
>Thanks, John. We have SP2 downloaded on our servers, but I am not a network
>person, and I really don't know how that impacts me as I use my tablet.
>
>I am piloting the tablet where I work. I am supposed to use it much like
>our potential users would. So, they give me lots of latitude, which is nice.
> However, like you said, our network administrator isn't exactly on board, if
>you know what I mean. He wasn't pleased that we decided to pilot the tablets.
>
>Don't get me wrong. He is a nice guy. I'm sure he is overworked like most
>people working in IT. That's why I'm searching and researching so I can help
>him out and try to move forward with the tablets. I am fascinated with this
>"new" technology and all the possibilities for its use.
>
>Debbie
>

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/default.mspx

You can have him start here. He'll get a great deal of info about what SP2
includes and changes.

Do you know offhand if they've deployed SP2 to any Windows XP Pro machines?
Or if they're running XP Pro on any of the workstations?

If so, you'll probably find it easier to help them support you and your
tablet on SP2 if they're already doing it elsewhere in the company.

The changes to the tablet input panel in 2005 are quite radical compared to
the TIP in the original tablet version. For people starting out with a new
tablet, I'd recommend starting them out on SP2's version just so they don't
have to go through a "re-learning" process when they eventually *do* get SP2.
Everything is changed and some things were removed altogether, so it would be
good to start out with what's there now so they don't feel like they've lost
functionality when they finally do upgrade. That could be another point you
can use to help get the IT staff's support. Less retraining. Less phone calls
to the help desk when people have to do a 180 degree turn in how they enter
text with a pen.

Does your IT person use usenet? You can always have him pop in here as well
and ask questions directly, both in this group or just in the windows xp
group where he can get specific non-tablet SP2 info as well. The more
information he has, the more prepared he'll likely feel for a tablet rollout.

I've been rolling out networks in large corporations for a long time, so I
know where he's coming from and what he's up against. :)


--
John