Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've been
trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had the
problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a network.
there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the network
recognizing ink, from a MVP.

I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie, once
again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my remote
desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly invoked at
the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone again,
giving me back much needed screen real estate.

I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved recognition,
multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing, point
at a button to select it. Nice.

But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
"properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to access
a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that there
is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to a
certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such behaviors do
not boad well for the longevity of a system.

In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete shift in
how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something I've
been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic medical
record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat anchor
laptop.

Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a right
mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips, whether
we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other "improperly
written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got to
wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP iteration
could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
doc jon

PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS channel.
No reply.

You are right Doc Jon. The predictive input feature is neat, but if it
doesn't work with

-Virtual PC
-CMD.EXE
-regedit

and so on what good is it? And what about if I want to use the TIP for
alt-enter, ctrl-c/ctrl-v, etc. just in Explorer.exe?
I was using these before and it was so nice. Undocked you can't.
Besides I don't want to park my TIP up top. My eyes have to move away from
what I'm working on to type.
Why did they "lock out" the ability to just move the TIP?
And why is the TIP slower and taking more RAM? The experience for those of
us
who don't choose to recognize handwriting is not near as good as it was.
And in your case Dr. Jon, what infrastructure manager is going to approve
such a huge change to a production
Windows 2000 server just so that a limited amount of users can access a TS
session?
Try that at an i-bank. If I didn't have a tablet I would never consider it.

I guess it means "no soup for us!!!"

Please MS Tablet developers,
A true undockable TIP with keyboard would be nice. At least, let us
seasoned Windows folks launch softkbd and be happy.
You folks know at MS the tablet is awesome. It really is remarkable what
you've done with it. You all have one and use them all the time.
So that said you surely know what the user community is referring to.




"doc jon" <docjon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CF6B2ADC-764B-438F-8703-06ADA3AF3140@microsoft.com...
> Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've
> been
> trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had the
> problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a network.
> there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the network
> recognizing ink, from a MVP.
>
> I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie, once
> again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my remote
> desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly invoked at
> the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone
> again,
> giving me back much needed screen real estate.
>
> I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved
> recognition,
> multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing,
> point
> at a button to select it. Nice.
>
> But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
> "properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to
> access
> a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that
> there
> is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to a
> certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such behaviors
> do
> not boad well for the longevity of a system.
>
> In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete shift in
> how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something I've
> been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic
> medical
> record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat
> anchor
> laptop.
>
> Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a right
> mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips,
> whether
> we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other "improperly
> written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got to
> wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP
> iteration
> could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
> doc jon
>
> PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS
> channel.
> No reply.

I am looking for the same solution! I love the improved handwriting
recognition, but I wish we could add to the list of programs that recognize
TIP--or at least have a floating TIP.


"doc jon" wrote:

> Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've been
> trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had the
> problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a network.
> there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the network
> recognizing ink, from a MVP.
>
> I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie, once
> again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my remote
> desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly invoked at
> the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone again,
> giving me back much needed screen real estate.
>
> I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved recognition,
> multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing, point
> at a button to select it. Nice.
>
> But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
> "properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to access
> a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that there
> is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to a
> certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such behaviors do
> not boad well for the longevity of a system.
>
> In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete shift in
> how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something I've
> been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic medical
> record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat anchor
> laptop.
>
> Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a right
> mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips, whether
> we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other "improperly
> written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got to
> wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP iteration
> could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
> doc jon
>
> PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS channel.
> No reply.

If you want to see some really fun action, try doing Remote Desktop from
Tablet-to-Tablet. Of course, the interface doesn't transport/recognize the
digital pen input since nothing is triggering it on the machine you remote
into. So it basically is thinking the input is from a mouse, reacts slower
and with less accuracy. Like trying to "write" on a laptop via the mouse.
8-)

What this does exhibit is how great a jump there is from mouse to pen
recognition, or the emulation of "handwriting" to what we've discovered with
digital recognizers in the pure Tablet PC environment. Not good, of course,
but it is new technology which will become more refined as we move forward.

Do we need changes to accommodate this digital world? Of course we do.
However, it isn't going to happen overnight. But I can tell you this is a
great concern and a matter drawing attention among the Tablet folks at
Microsoft. Yet, it is something beyond just the Tablet people, since they
need to look at what could or should be done to rectify the situation.

As I've posted before, please submit your data and ideas via the Microsoft
Wish forms: http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp
Information gathered there goes directly to the proper teams involved.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"msnews.microsoft.com" <intranologydeveloper********.com> wrote in message
news:%23KnCtPMnEHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> You are right Doc Jon. The predictive input feature is neat, but if it
> doesn't work with
>
> -Virtual PC
> -CMD.EXE
> -regedit
>
> and so on what good is it? And what about if I want to use the TIP for
> alt-enter, ctrl-c/ctrl-v, etc. just in Explorer.exe?
> I was using these before and it was so nice. Undocked you can't.
> Besides I don't want to park my TIP up top. My eyes have to move away from
> what I'm working on to type.
> Why did they "lock out" the ability to just move the TIP?
> And why is the TIP slower and taking more RAM? The experience for those of
> us
> who don't choose to recognize handwriting is not near as good as it was.
> And in your case Dr. Jon, what infrastructure manager is going to approve
> such a huge change to a production
> Windows 2000 server just so that a limited amount of users can access a TS
> session?
> Try that at an i-bank. If I didn't have a tablet I would never consider
> it.
>
> I guess it means "no soup for us!!!"
>
> Please MS Tablet developers,
> A true undockable TIP with keyboard would be nice. At least, let us
> seasoned Windows folks launch softkbd and be happy.
> You folks know at MS the tablet is awesome. It really is remarkable what
> you've done with it. You all have one and use them all the time.
> So that said you surely know what the user community is referring to.
>
>
>
>
> "doc jon" <docjon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CF6B2ADC-764B-438F-8703-06ADA3AF3140@microsoft.com...
>> Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've
>> been
>> trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had
>> the
>> problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a network.
>> there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the
>> network
>> recognizing ink, from a MVP.
>>
>> I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie, once
>> again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my
>> remote
>> desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly invoked
>> at
>> the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone
>> again,
>> giving me back much needed screen real estate.
>>
>> I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved
>> recognition,
>> multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing,
>> point
>> at a button to select it. Nice.
>>
>> But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
>> "properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to
>> access
>> a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that
>> there
>> is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to a
>> certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such behaviors
>> do
>> not boad well for the longevity of a system.
>>
>> In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete shift
>> in
>> how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something
>> I've
>> been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic
>> medical
>> record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat
>> anchor
>> laptop.
>>
>> Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a right
>> mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips,
>> whether
>> we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other "improperly
>> written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got to
>> wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP
>> iteration
>> could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
>> doc jon
>>
>> PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS
>> channel.
>> No reply.
>
>

It all boils down to this:
I'm the lead IT doc in a 120 doc provider association. We're working on a
grand data strategy to improve real time collaborative patient care and lower
adverse events. This is the grail in American medicine today. The community
health network is the back end. The front end is an xml/SQL server based
medical record system with excellent real time documentation and decision
making support. the tablet and EMR (named Chartware) have actually put some
joy back into the practice of medicine for me. (Who would have thunk it could
happen again?)

How much longer will MS keep selling XP tablet with the old tips? I'll try
to avoid upgrading to SP 2 as long as I can; my office has a well organized
and properly secured network. But what about the new Doc Users? If they're
left to thrash around with a program whose use is impaired by loss of screen
real estate & forced to use a docked tips, it'll be bad.

Non medical personnel can hardly imagine how resistant the vast majority of
doctors are to employing new technology while in a patient encounter. Such a
complex decision making process is going on, so many actions must be
performed and adequately documented, especially with the chronically ill
elderly, that the mark of the best e. med record system-cum-hardware device
is that it least 'gets in the way' of the doc while still carrying all the
power of database integration, communication with other treating physicians,
labs, hospitals, and so on.

I wish upon a star: MS, give us back an undocked tips we can evoke with a
gesture and dismiss from our screen real estate with a point at a button! -->
happy clinicians.

Thanks. Jon Pierce


"Chris H." wrote:

> If you want to see some really fun action, try doing Remote Desktop from
> Tablet-to-Tablet. Of course, the interface doesn't transport/recognize the
> digital pen input since nothing is triggering it on the machine you remote
> into. So it basically is thinking the input is from a mouse, reacts slower
> and with less accuracy. Like trying to "write" on a laptop via the mouse.
> 8-)
>
> What this does exhibit is how great a jump there is from mouse to pen
> recognition, or the emulation of "handwriting" to what we've discovered with
> digital recognizers in the pure Tablet PC environment. Not good, of course,
> but it is new technology which will become more refined as we move forward.
> impaired
> Do we need changes to accommodate this digital world? Of course we do.
> However, it isn't going to happen overnight. But I can tell you this is a
> great concern and a matter drawing attention among the Tablet folks at
> Microsoft. Yet, it is something beyond just the Tablet people, since they
> need to look at what could or should be done to rectify the situation.
>
> As I've posted before, please submit your data and ideas via the Microsoft
> Wish forms: http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp
> Information gathered there goes directly to the proper teams involved.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "msnews.microsoft.com" <intranologydeveloper********.com> wrote in message
> news:%23KnCtPMnEHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > You are right Doc Jon. The predictive input feature is neat, but if it
> > doesn't work with
> >
> > -Virtual PC
> > -CMD.EXE
> > -regedit
> >
> > and so on what good is it? And what about if I want to use the TIP for
> > alt-enter, ctrl-c/ctrl-v, etc. just in Explorer.exe?
> > I was using these before and it was so nice. Undocked you can't.
> > Besides I don't want to park my TIP up top. My eyes have to move away from
> > what I'm working on to type.
> > Why did they "lock out" the ability to just move the TIP?
> > And why is the TIP slower and taking more RAM? The experience for those of
> > us
> > who don't choose to recognize handwriting is not near as good as it was.
> > And in your case Dr. Jon, what infrastructure manager is going to approve
> > such a huge change to a production
> > Windows 2000 server just so that a limited amount of users can access a TS
> > session?
> > Try that at an i-bank. If I didn't have a tablet I would never consider
> > it.
> >
> > I guess it means "no soup for us!!!"
> >
> > Please MS Tablet developers,
> > A true undockable TIP with keyboard would be nice. At least, let us
> > seasoned Windows folks launch softkbd and be happy.
> > You folks know at MS the tablet is awesome. It really is remarkable what
> > you've done with it. You all have one and use them all the time.
> > So that said you surely know what the user community is referring to.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "doc jon" <docjon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:CF6B2ADC-764B-438F-8703-06ADA3AF3140@microsoft.com...
> >> Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've
> >> been
> >> trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had
> >> the
> >> problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a network.
> >> there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the
> >> network
> >> recognizing ink, from a MVP.
> >>
> >> I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie, once
> >> again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my
> >> remote
> >> desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly invoked
> >> at
> >> the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone
> >> again,
> >> giving me back much needed screen real estate.
> >>
> >> I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved
> >> recognition,
> >> multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing,
> >> point
> >> at a button to select it. Nice.
> >>
> >> But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
> >> "properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to
> >> access
> >> a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that
> >> there
> >> is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to a
> >> certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such behaviors
> >> do
> >> not boad well for the longevity of a system.
> >>
> >> In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete shift
> >> in
> >> how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something
> >> I've
> >> been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic
> >> medical
> >> record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat
> >> anchor
> >> laptop.
> >>
> >> Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a right
> >> mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips,
> >> whether
> >> we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other "improperly
> >> written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got to
> >> wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP
> >> iteration
> >> could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
> >> doc jon
> >>
> >> PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS
> >> channel.
> >> No reply.
> >
> >
>
>
>

I totally understand. Please do submit your suggestion via the Microsoft
Wish mechanism to directly register the issue. Believe me, I agree, however
I'm just a user like you are - although not to that scale.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"doc jon" <docjon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DEC8ABC2-F670-4219-AE23-C81F9FA3186E@microsoft.com...
> It all boils down to this:
> I'm the lead IT doc in a 120 doc provider association. We're working on
> a
> grand data strategy to improve real time collaborative patient care and
> lower
> adverse events. This is the grail in American medicine today. The
> community
> health network is the back end. The front end is an xml/SQL server based
> medical record system with excellent real time documentation and decision
> making support. the tablet and EMR (named Chartware) have actually put
> some
> joy back into the practice of medicine for me. (Who would have thunk it
> could
> happen again?)
>
> How much longer will MS keep selling XP tablet with the old tips? I'll try
> to avoid upgrading to SP 2 as long as I can; my office has a well
> organized
> and properly secured network. But what about the new Doc Users? If they're
> left to thrash around with a program whose use is impaired by loss of
> screen
> real estate & forced to use a docked tips, it'll be bad.
>
> Non medical personnel can hardly imagine how resistant the vast majority
> of
> doctors are to employing new technology while in a patient encounter. Such
> a
> complex decision making process is going on, so many actions must be
> performed and adequately documented, especially with the chronically ill
> elderly, that the mark of the best e. med record system-cum-hardware
> device
> is that it least 'gets in the way' of the doc while still carrying all the
> power of database integration, communication with other treating
> physicians,
> labs, hospitals, and so on.
>
> I wish upon a star: MS, give us back an undocked tips we can evoke with a
> gesture and dismiss from our screen real estate with a point at a
> button! -->
> happy clinicians.
>
> Thanks. Jon Pierce
>
>
> "Chris H." wrote:
>
>> If you want to see some really fun action, try doing Remote Desktop from
>> Tablet-to-Tablet. Of course, the interface doesn't transport/recognize
>> the
>> digital pen input since nothing is triggering it on the machine you
>> remote
>> into. So it basically is thinking the input is from a mouse, reacts
>> slower
>> and with less accuracy. Like trying to "write" on a laptop via the
>> mouse.
>> 8-)
>>
>> What this does exhibit is how great a jump there is from mouse to pen
>> recognition, or the emulation of "handwriting" to what we've discovered
>> with
>> digital recognizers in the pure Tablet PC environment. Not good, of
>> course,
>> but it is new technology which will become more refined as we move
>> forward.
>> impaired
>> Do we need changes to accommodate this digital world? Of course we do.
>> However, it isn't going to happen overnight. But I can tell you this is
>> a
>> great concern and a matter drawing attention among the Tablet folks at
>> Microsoft. Yet, it is something beyond just the Tablet people, since
>> they
>> need to look at what could or should be done to rectify the situation.
>>
>> As I've posted before, please submit your data and ideas via the
>> Microsoft
>> Wish forms: http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp
>> Information gathered there goes directly to the proper teams involved.
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>
>> "msnews.microsoft.com" <intranologydeveloper********.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:%23KnCtPMnEHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> > You are right Doc Jon. The predictive input feature is neat, but if it
>> > doesn't work with
>> >
>> > -Virtual PC
>> > -CMD.EXE
>> > -regedit
>> >
>> > and so on what good is it? And what about if I want to use the TIP for
>> > alt-enter, ctrl-c/ctrl-v, etc. just in Explorer.exe?
>> > I was using these before and it was so nice. Undocked you can't.
>> > Besides I don't want to park my TIP up top. My eyes have to move away
>> > from
>> > what I'm working on to type.
>> > Why did they "lock out" the ability to just move the TIP?
>> > And why is the TIP slower and taking more RAM? The experience for those
>> > of
>> > us
>> > who don't choose to recognize handwriting is not near as good as it
>> > was.
>> > And in your case Dr. Jon, what infrastructure manager is going to
>> > approve
>> > such a huge change to a production
>> > Windows 2000 server just so that a limited amount of users can access a
>> > TS
>> > session?
>> > Try that at an i-bank. If I didn't have a tablet I would never consider
>> > it.
>> >
>> > I guess it means "no soup for us!!!"
>> >
>> > Please MS Tablet developers,
>> > A true undockable TIP with keyboard would be nice. At least, let us
>> > seasoned Windows folks launch softkbd and be happy.
>> > You folks know at MS the tablet is awesome. It really is remarkable
>> > what
>> > you've done with it. You all have one and use them all the time.
>> > So that said you surely know what the user community is referring to.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "doc jon" <docjon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:CF6B2ADC-764B-438F-8703-06ADA3AF3140@microsoft.com...
>> >> Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've
>> >> been
>> >> trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had
>> >> the
>> >> problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a
>> >> network.
>> >> there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the
>> >> network
>> >> recognizing ink, from a MVP.
>> >>
>> >> I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie,
>> >> once
>> >> again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my
>> >> remote
>> >> desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly
>> >> invoked
>> >> at
>> >> the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone
>> >> again,
>> >> giving me back much needed screen real estate.
>> >>
>> >> I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved
>> >> recognition,
>> >> multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing,
>> >> point
>> >> at a button to select it. Nice.
>> >>
>> >> But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
>> >> "properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to
>> >> access
>> >> a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that
>> >> there
>> >> is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to
>> >> a
>> >> certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such
>> >> behaviors
>> >> do
>> >> not boad well for the longevity of a system.
>> >>
>> >> In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete
>> >> shift
>> >> in
>> >> how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something
>> >> I've
>> >> been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic
>> >> medical
>> >> record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat
>> >> anchor
>> >> laptop.
>> >>
>> >> Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a
>> >> right
>> >> mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips,
>> >> whether
>> >> we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other
>> >> "improperly
>> >> written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got
>> >> to
>> >> wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP
>> >> iteration
>> >> could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
>> >> doc jon
>> >>
>> >> PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS
>> >> channel.
>> >> No reply.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

Maybe I'm missing something...

Are you using a tablet pc to remote desktop into another computer? For what
reason? Do the programs you're working with not function on the tablet?

If you're forced for some reason to use Remote Desktop/Terminal Services,
consider instead a Smart Display
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/smartdisplay/). This is basically a
Windows CE device with a minimal OS designed to run only the remote desktop
client.

Of course, a Smart Display does not provide handwriting recognition, but
neither does Remote Desktop/Terminal Services. If handwriting recognition is
a definite requirement then run the application directly on the Tablet
instead of remotely.

Someone mentioned the need for a floating keyboard when the floating TIP is
not available. The On-Screen Keyboard (Start>All
Programs>Accessories>Accessibility), though not as pretty, does work.

After having said all that, I do however agree that the TIP should be able
to float all the time rather than only when an input field is detected.

My $0.02

-Jim



"doc jon" <docjon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CF6B2ADC-764B-438F-8703-06ADA3AF3140@microsoft.com...
> Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've
been
> trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had the
> problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a network.
> there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the network
> recognizing ink, from a MVP.
>
> I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie, once
> again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my remote
> desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly invoked at
> the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone
again,
> giving me back much needed screen real estate.
>
> I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved
recognition,
> multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing,
point
> at a button to select it. Nice.
>
> But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
> "properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to
access
> a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that
there
> is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to a
> certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such behaviors
do
> not boad well for the longevity of a system.
>
> In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete shift in
> how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something I've
> been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic
medical
> record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat
anchor
> laptop.
>
> Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a right
> mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips,
whether
> we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other "improperly
> written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got to
> wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP
iteration
> could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
> doc jon
>
> PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS
channel.
> No reply.

Smart Displays were discontinued some time ago.

--
Terri Stratton
Editor / Owner
http://thetabletpc.net
http://themediacenterpc.net
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC


"Jim Duncan" <nospam@leavemealone.pls> wrote in message
news:OiShS0aoEHA.1800@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Maybe I'm missing something...
>
> Are you using a tablet pc to remote desktop into another computer? For
> what
> reason? Do the programs you're working with not function on the tablet?
>
> If you're forced for some reason to use Remote Desktop/Terminal Services,
> consider instead a Smart Display
> (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/smartdisplay/). This is basically a
> Windows CE device with a minimal OS designed to run only the remote
> desktop
> client.
>
> Of course, a Smart Display does not provide handwriting recognition, but
> neither does Remote Desktop/Terminal Services. If handwriting recognition
> is
> a definite requirement then run the application directly on the Tablet
> instead of remotely.
>
> Someone mentioned the need for a floating keyboard when the floating TIP
> is
> not available. The On-Screen Keyboard (Start>All
> Programs>Accessories>Accessibility), though not as pretty, does work.
>
> After having said all that, I do however agree that the TIP should be able
> to float all the time rather than only when an input field is detected.
>
> My $0.02
>
> -Jim
>
>
>
> "doc jon" <docjon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CF6B2ADC-764B-438F-8703-06ADA3AF3140@microsoft.com...
>> Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've
> been
>> trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had
>> the
>> problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a network.
>> there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the
>> network
>> recognizing ink, from a MVP.
>>
>> I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie, once
>> again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my
>> remote
>> desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly invoked
>> at
>> the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone
> again,
>> giving me back much needed screen real estate.
>>
>> I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved
> recognition,
>> multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing,
> point
>> at a button to select it. Nice.
>>
>> But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
>> "properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to
> access
>> a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that
> there
>> is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to a
>> certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such behaviors
> do
>> not boad well for the longevity of a system.
>>
>> In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete shift
>> in
>> how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something
>> I've
>> been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic
> medical
>> record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat
> anchor
>> laptop.
>>
>> Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a right
>> mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips,
> whether
>> we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other "improperly
>> written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got to
>> wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP
> iteration
>> could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
>> doc jon
>>
>> PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS
> channel.
>> No reply.
>
>

Jim, you really wouldn't want that floating TIP icon on-screen all the time.
Believe me, it would drive you buggy after a while. And Tablet PCs are much
more than a "Smart Display" machine, not only smaller and lighter, but
capable of a whole lot more. Smart Machines were basically a remote screen,
whereas Tablets have replaced the requirement of a desktop computer in a lot
of cases.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Jim Duncan" <nospam@leavemealone.pls> wrote in message
news:OiShS0aoEHA.1800@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Maybe I'm missing something...
>
> Are you using a tablet pc to remote desktop into another computer? For
> what
> reason? Do the programs you're working with not function on the tablet?
>
> If you're forced for some reason to use Remote Desktop/Terminal Services,
> consider instead a Smart Display
> (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/smartdisplay/). This is basically a
> Windows CE device with a minimal OS designed to run only the remote
> desktop
> client.
>
> Of course, a Smart Display does not provide handwriting recognition, but
> neither does Remote Desktop/Terminal Services. If handwriting recognition
> is
> a definite requirement then run the application directly on the Tablet
> instead of remotely.
>
> Someone mentioned the need for a floating keyboard when the floating TIP
> is
> not available. The On-Screen Keyboard (Start>All
> Programs>Accessories>Accessibility), though not as pretty, does work.
>
> After having said all that, I do however agree that the TIP should be able
> to float all the time rather than only when an input field is detected.
>
> My $0.02
>
> -Jim
>
>
>
> "doc jon" <docjon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CF6B2ADC-764B-438F-8703-06ADA3AF3140@microsoft.com...
>> Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've
> been
>> trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had
>> the
>> problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a network.
>> there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the
>> network
>> recognizing ink, from a MVP.
>>
>> I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie, once
>> again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my
>> remote
>> desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly invoked
>> at
>> the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone
> again,
>> giving me back much needed screen real estate.
>>
>> I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved
> recognition,
>> multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing,
> point
>> at a button to select it. Nice.
>>
>> But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
>> "properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to
> access
>> a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that
> there
>> is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to a
>> certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such behaviors
> do
>> not boad well for the longevity of a system.
>>
>> In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete shift
>> in
>> how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something
>> I've
>> been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic
> medical
>> record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat
> anchor
>> laptop.
>>
>> Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a right
>> mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips,
> whether
>> we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other "improperly
>> written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got to
>> wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP
> iteration
>> could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
>> doc jon
>>
>> PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS
> channel.
>> No reply.
>
>

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:eMclFYboEHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Jim, you really wouldn't want that floating TIP icon on-screen all the
> time. Believe me, it would drive you buggy after a while. And Tablet PCs
> are much more than a "Smart Display" machine, not only smaller and
> lighter, but capable of a whole lot more. Smart Machines were basically a
> remote screen, whereas Tablets have replaced the requirement of a desktop
> computer in a lot of cases.
> --

Hm, I had hoped that a smartdisplay would be lighter then the tabletPC (was
thinking of trying one) because it should have no need for a harddisk and
some of the network ports, which in my view should reduce some of the
weight...

And there is a good use for doing remote-desktop (or VNC): the tablet's
small formfactor (I'm talkning HP/Compaq's TC1000 here) does make it easier
to use while in a 'easy' chair then a labtop with keyboard (and hence the
'continuesly floating' TIP request(s) or the osk like I now use).

Alfred

The problem with a SmartDisplay was you couldn't just grab it and take it to
a basketball game to record stats, or out in the field to show the soccer
team graphic displays of how you want plays run. Or to the office with the
PowerPoint presentation. 8-)

I use mine a whole lot from an easy chair, couch or recliner while watch NFL
games now that the season has started. 8-)
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Smeenk, A.D." <alfreds@dbs-at-nospam-at-nl> wrote in message
news:uM14qUioEHA.3520@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
> Hm, I had hoped that a smartdisplay would be lighter then the tabletPC
> (was thinking of trying one) because it should have no need for a harddisk
> and some of the network ports, which in my view should reduce some of the
> weight...
>
> And there is a good use for doing remote-desktop (or VNC): the tablet's
> small formfactor (I'm talkning HP/Compaq's TC1000 here) does make it
> easier to use while in a 'easy' chair then a labtop with keyboard (and
> hence the 'continuesly floating' TIP request(s) or the osk like I now
> use).
>
> Alfred
>

I've been known to use mine sitting out under the arbor by the fish pond
because my kids were playing games and I didn't want to lsiten to them. Or
my husband has something on the TV I don't care to watch or listen to.
Granted I could have done the same with my laptop but the tablet's form
factor is much more conducive to sitting on a park bench or an easy chair.

Alternatively I use mine a lot at Starbucks sitting in one of the over
stuffed lounge chairs they have and few other places around here with
wireless intenet (either free or Tmobile). Amazing how many complete
strangers come up and ask me what kind of computer am I using. Spent 20
minutes grabbing email at a coffee bar near Rice University Campus and the
Houston Medical Center on Tuesday. 5 different people started asking
questions, one of which immediately emailed his corporate office saying how
much more useful a Tablet PC would be presenting to doctors than the Dell
laptops they currently use.

Hard to get much smaller and lighter than the NEC model.

--

Cheryl D Wise
Microsoft FrontPage MVP
http://mvp.WiserWays.com


"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:uh1i$EkoEHA.1712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> The problem with a SmartDisplay was you couldn't just grab it and take it
> to a basketball game to record stats, or out in the field to show the
> soccer team graphic displays of how you want plays run. Or to the office
> with the PowerPoint presentation. 8-)
>
> I use mine a whole lot from an easy chair, couch or recliner while watch
> NFL games now that the season has started. 8-)
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>

Hi, Jim. I run an electronic medical system in a thin client mode, which is
much faster and more reliable, possibly because the database is so large.
The tablet PCs' hand writing recognition algorithm does indeed work fine over
remote desktop/windows terminal services. In the beginning only input from
the tips keyboard would be recognized the server, but after installing a
small patch from MS, the handwriting recognition goes fine. Just need to
reinstate a proper floating tips in SP2.

I feel just like the others who have replied to this thread regarding the
utility of my tablet: indispensable. I wouldn't want a dumb terminal; I
carry my Motion tablet everywhere. In the lazy boy at home on my wireless
network, in the local library or Starbucks. Better then Dick Tracy's wrist
radio. Jon

"Jim Duncan" wrote:

> Maybe I'm missing something...
>
> Are you using a tablet pc to remote desktop into another computer? For what
> reason? Do the programs you're working with not function on the tablet?
>
> If you're forced for some reason to use Remote Desktop/Terminal Services,
> consider instead a Smart Display
> (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/smartdisplay/). This is basically a
> Windows CE device with a minimal OS designed to run only the remote desktop
> client.
>
> Of course, a Smart Display does not provide handwriting recognition, but
> neither does Remote Desktop/Terminal Services. If handwriting recognition is
> a definite requirement then run the application directly on the Tablet
> instead of remotely.
>
> Someone mentioned the need for a floating keyboard when the floating TIP is
> not available. The On-Screen Keyboard (Start>All
> Programs>Accessories>Accessibility), though not as pretty, does work.
>
> After having said all that, I do however agree that the TIP should be able
> to float all the time rather than only when an input field is detected.
>
> My $0.02
>
> -Jim
>
>
>
> "doc jon" <docjon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CF6B2ADC-764B-438F-8703-06ADA3AF3140@microsoft.com...
> > Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've
> been
> > trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had the
> > problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a network.
> > there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the network
> > recognizing ink, from a MVP.
> >
> > I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie, once
> > again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my remote
> > desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly invoked at
> > the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone
> again,
> > giving me back much needed screen real estate.
> >
> > I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved
> recognition,
> > multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing,
> point
> > at a button to select it. Nice.
> >
> > But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
> > "properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to
> access
> > a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that
> there
> > is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to a
> > certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such behaviors
> do
> > not boad well for the longevity of a system.
> >
> > In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete shift in
> > how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something I've
> > been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic
> medical
> > record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat
> anchor
> > laptop.
> >
> > Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a right
> > mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips,
> whether
> > we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other "improperly
> > written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got to
> > wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP
> iteration
> > could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
> > doc jon
> >
> > PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS
> channel.
> > No reply.
>
>
>

Have you tried Pen Office? Not sure if this will help your issue but there is
a free trial.

http://www.medicaltabletpc.com/index...=127&Itemid=26

"doc jon" wrote:

> Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've been
> trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had the
> problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a network.
> there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the network
> recognizing ink, from a MVP.
>
> I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie, once
> again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my remote
> desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly invoked at
> the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone again,
> giving me back much needed screen real estate.
>
> I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved recognition,
> multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing, point
> at a button to select it. Nice.
>
> But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
> "properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to access
> a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that there
> is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to a
> certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such behaviors do
> not boad well for the longevity of a system.
>
> In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete shift in
> how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something I've
> been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic medical
> record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat anchor
> laptop.
>
> Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a right
> mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips, whether
> we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other "improperly
> written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got to
> wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP iteration
> could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
> doc jon
>
> PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS channel.
> No reply.

thanks! interesting lead. Motion computing is now offering a medical
dictionary and forms completion bundle which looks good but requires SP2 and
MSOffice (I use Open Office). Jon Pierce

"Digitaldoc" wrote:

> Have you tried Pen Office? Not sure if this will help your issue but there is
> a free trial.
>
> http://www.medicaltabletpc.com/index...=127&Itemid=26
>
> "doc jon" wrote:
>
> > Hi. This posting is a follow up of an extensive thread from 8/27. I've been
> > trying to use SP2 On a Motion 1300 on a network in clinic and have had the
> > problem others have alluded to: one has to use tips docked on a network.
> > there were a number of knowledgeable replies -- here one about the network
> > recognizing ink, from a MVP.
> >
> > I have had to remove SP 2 just get the old functionality back, ie, once
> > again, I now have a thin, undocked tips bar across the bottom of my remote
> > desktop screen. With a simple wave the floating tips is quickly invoked at
> > the chosen screen location and I'm writing away. A tap and it's gone again,
> > giving me back much needed screen real estate.
> >
> > I loved the new SP2 floating tips in almost every way: improved recognition,
> > multiple lines would keep folding down letting me to keep on writing, point
> > at a button to select it. Nice.
> >
> > But why the choice to make all other programs to have to be written
> > "properly" so that tablet xp will recognize them and allow the user to access
> > a floating tips? For two weeks I've thought, and can only surmise that there
> > is a programming philosophy of forcing other programs to surrender to a
> > certain approach, the MS way or the highway. Historically such behaviors do
> > not boad well for the longevity of a system.
> >
> > In American medicine an absolute sea change is needed, a complete shift in
> > how we store data and communicate in realtime. Tablet XP is something I've
> > been waiting for since 1993 when I started with my first electronic medical
> > record system under MS Dos on a black and white, un-networked boat anchor
> > laptop.
> >
> > Please, MS, just a simple fix: Bring back the wave gesture (or a right
> > mouse click or something!) to allow users to invoke a floating tips, whether
> > we're using remote desk top, fire fox locally, or some other "improperly
> > written" software from your meanest competitor. Don't tell me I've got to
> > wait until Longhorn for the fix. What worked on the first tablet XP iteration
> > could be, surely, easily reinstated. --
> > doc jon
> >
> > PS - Chris H., I did write it all as a suggestion to the proper MS channel.
> > No reply.