i've heard some people say that the HP TC1100 is the compaq TC1000. But
I think that's wrong

looking at the specs, there are slight differences..

one guy I know is selling an HP machine with an Intel Centrino at
1.1GHz
another is selling a 1GHz compaq with a "Transmeta Crusoe " processor


I@ve heard that both are good but the Intel Centrino is more powerful..

I have 2 questions..

Do both come with no CD/DVD drive, and if so, do they both allow
booting from USB?

How do the temperatures compare between them?

How different is te situation of how soon into operation the cpu fan
come on and becomes audible? Like, what is the average cpu temp of each
and at what temp does the fan become audible..

suppose it's just idling, let it climb up.. what'd be the temp.. 'cos
if it takes another 10 degrees beyond that to set the fan on, then it's
pretty good in that the fan will probably almost never go on for me.

i found this sort of information on one of my laptops with the speedfan
program . Is usefuil in helping to determine things before purchase

<jameshanley39******.co.uk> wrote in message
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> i've heard some people say that the HP TC1100 is the compaq TC1000. But
> I think that's wrong
>
> looking at the specs, there are slight differences..
>
> one guy I know is selling an HP machine with an Intel Centrino at
> 1.1GHz
> another is selling a 1GHz compaq with a "Transmeta Crusoe " processor
>
>
> I@ve heard that both are good but the Intel Centrino is more powerful..
>
> I have 2 questions..
>
> Do both come with no CD/DVD drive, and if so, do they both allow
> booting from USB?
>
> How do the temperatures compare between them?
>
> How different is te situation of how soon into operation the cpu fan
> come on and becomes audible? Like, what is the average cpu temp of each
> and at what temp does the fan become audible..
>
> suppose it's just idling, let it climb up.. what'd be the temp.. 'cos
> if it takes another 10 degrees beyond that to set the fan on, then it's
> pretty good in that the fan will probably almost never go on for me.
>
> i found this sort of information on one of my laptops with the speedfan
> program . Is usefuil in helping to determine things before purchase
>
I have both the TC1000 and TC1100.

They do not come with a CD/DVD. I use a USB Sony CDROM/DVD/CDwriter.

The TC1100 is much faster in my opinion. Especially when switching between
programs etc.

On either machine more memory is a good idea.

I can't detect much difference in temperature bewteen the two or fan
operation. They are both quiet.

<jameshanley39******.co.uk> wrote in message
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> one guy I know is selling an HP machine with an Intel Centrino at
> 1.1GHz
> another is selling a 1GHz compaq with a "Transmeta Crusoe " processor

<opinion>

For anything beyond the simplest of applications I simply could not suggest
using the transmeta crusoe based computer - it is slow, power hungry
(relatively for what it is capable of doing ) and suffers from occasional
incompatiblties and poor bios support. You will find people with the TC1000
(that uses this chip) who will disagree, but this is after all an opinion -
mine. ;)

On the other hand, the TC1100 is a pleasant machine to use and is still in
league with machines today. I have one, and still use it daily. My
development machines (big laptops) have since been changed twice, but the
tc1100 tablet for my uses (OneNote2007, basic Rhino, office, simpler
animations, web, reading, etc. ) still works great.

I also like the battery life of the electrovaya and the form factor of some
of the Motion products (which coincidently was formed with some of the
people who worked on the tc1000/tc1100, or so I have read.), but so far I am
quite satisfied with the TC1100 until the next leap in technology comes
along (12 hours + indoor/outdoor screen + integrated rugged case in thin
design + <2.5lbs while under $1000). :)

If you do go with the TC1000/TC1100 I would suggest checking on ebay or
googling for a DK504A health care case, which I found for <$40. Nice
rubberized piece that "wraps" the back and corners of the unit, still light
but protects from bumps and gives you a good grip. Of course it works only
in slate mode, but that may or may not fit your intended use.

a review on the case:

http://81.5.185.34/tc-one-thousand/r...HealthCareCase


Good Luck

</opinion>

jameshanley39******.co.uk wrote:
> i've heard some people say that the HP TC1100 is the compaq TC1000. But
> I think that's wrong
>
> looking at the specs, there are slight differences..
>
> one guy I know is selling an HP machine with an Intel Centrino at
> 1.1GHz
> another is selling a 1GHz compaq with a "Transmeta Crusoe " processor
>
>
> I@ve heard that both are good but the Intel Centrino is more powerful..
>
> I have 2 questions..
>
> Do both come with no CD/DVD drive, and if so, do they both allow
> booting from USB?
>
> How do the temperatures compare between them?
>
> How different is te situation of how soon into operation the cpu fan
> come on and becomes audible? Like, what is the average cpu temp of each
> and at what temp does the fan become audible..
>
> suppose it's just idling, let it climb up.. what'd be the temp.. 'cos
> if it takes another 10 degrees beyond that to set the fan on, then it's
> pretty good in that the fan will probably almost never go on for me.
>
> i found this sort of information on one of my laptops with the speedfan
> program . Is usefuil in helping to determine things before purchase


thank you both for your responses, i'd just like to add..

in the event that i did want to undervolt the cpu to lower the
temperature

is there any difference between doing so on the TC1100 and the TC1000 ?
e.g. would one processor allow it and the other not? or is there good
software that does it, but that only works for one processor?
I imagine that the TC1100 has a better chance if it's possible..
Unless the TC1000's unusual processor has its own software to do it.

TIA

<jameshanley39******.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> thank you both for your responses, i'd just like to add..
>
> in the event that i did want to undervolt the cpu to lower the
> temperature
>
> is there any difference between doing so on the TC1100 and the TC1000 ?
> e.g. would one processor allow it and the other not? or is there good
> software that does it, but that only works for one processor?
> I imagine that the TC1100 has a better chance if it's possible..
> Unless the TC1000's unusual processor has its own software to do it.
>


Both processors do support Dynamic Thermal Management (DTM).

And if you mean underclocking the answer is yes quite possible with both
chips, as long as the bios and board are up to the task. However, I would
not like the experience of using an underclocked tc1000 with anything but
the simplest of applications - I'm not even sure if inking would be
worthwhile under such contraints. I'm not meaning to throw off on the
venerable transmeta chips, it's just that they seem underperform by half in
order to get a 10th of the greater battery life savings of the time. This
leaves very little wiggle room for dropping performance even more by
underclocking, not to mention that as far as processors go the crusoe is a
fairly cool chip to start with. However, with the right apps I am sure it
would work well enough...


If you are dropping temperature for a comfort issue (as well as battery
life, no doubt), keep in mind the DK504A thin rubber case I mentioned - it
helps for me. But this may be of no concern.

Good Luck.

jameshanley39******.co.uk shared these words of wisdom:

> i've heard some people say that the HP TC1100 is the compaq TC1000.
> But I think that's wrong looking at the specs, there are slight
> differences..

As has been already said:
They are similar. The form factor is the same. And all accessories are
the same.
But there's a huge difference: The CPU.

> one guy I know is selling an HP machine with an Intel Centrino at
> 1.1GHz another is selling a 1GHz compaq with a "Transmeta Crusoe "
> processor

Don't buy a tc1000.
The Transmeta Crusoe is bay far superior to the Intel Centrinos.
The high-end tc1100 came with a 1.2Ghz CPU.
Mine has a 1.1 CPU and there is not too much of a difference.
But I would not go below 1.0Ghz.

> I have 2 questions..
>
> Do both come with no CD/DVD drive, and if so, do they both allow
> booting from USB?

They both do not come with an optical drive.
But with both one use:
a) An optional docking station.
This comes really handy on the desktop.
The docking station has a multibay and one can use each and any device
with the 12.7mm COMPAQ multibay.

b) The USB Multibay Cradle.
The cradle hosts all kinds of 12.7mm multibay devices.
It can be used with any computer via the USB with an AC-adapter. If
used with a tc1000/tc1100 and some HP COMPAQ notebooks, no AC adapter
is needed as it comes with a special USB cable with an extra pin
providing the power from the computer.

c) With both all kinds of multibay devices can be used - be it a FDD,
an LS-120 hybrid drive, CD-ROM, DVD/CD-ROM,CD-RW, DVD/CD-RW and
DVD-burners (up to Double Layer and DVD-RAM) and even HDDs (with a
multibay adapter).
One can boot from all of these devices (including the FDD and the
LS-120 which is great for testing things without Windows).

d) As the 12.7mm mulibay standards has been around for many long years
and was taken over by HP (until they introduced the new 9.5mm Mulibay
II), there's literally tons of devices on eBay at really good prices.

e) Added: The new Multibay II USB cradle is not compatible in as far
as the power connection is concerned. The power pin is thicker and
does not fit.

f) Both models can use "normal" USB devices too and boot from them.
There were serious troubles, however, with using the "Recovery CDs"
for the tc1000 without a COMPAQ/HP cradle and CD-ROM. The system would
not detect third-party CD-drives properly and a workaround by manually
editing the files was not too easy. The latter does not apply to the
tc1100.

> How different is te situation of how soon into operation the cpu fan
> come on and becomes audible? Like, what is the average cpu temp of
> each and at what temp does the fan become audible..

I can not say for the tc1000.
The fan on my tc1100 is really silent and it does pop in only under
heavy usage.
The temperature breakpoints seam be set in a proper way.

HTH
Rainald