What do you mean by "2000 series"?
Which manufacturer?

Rainald

Sven schrieb:

> And in fact the 2000 series does both. It has a touch screen that
> responds to my PPC stylii, my finger, chopsticks etc, but also
> comes with an active digitizer, which lets you move the cursor
> around while hovering over the screen a bit, no contact, and
> responds to pressure differences, which might matter to me if I had
> any artistic talent. Plus responding to the buttons on the stylus,
> for right clicks or whatever, which a touch screen would not do.
>
>> To clarify, a "touch screen" responds to any pressure... i.e. a
>> stylus pen, finger, chopstick, etc...
>>
>> Touch screens work great on any small screen device such as a
>> pocketpc since, when using a small device, the stylus or finger is
>> the only thing touching the screen at the one time.
>>
>> On the larger "tablet" screens, it is difficult to use a stylus
>> without resting the heel of your hand on the screen itself, and,
>> when you do so, the additional contact of that part of the hand
>> also generates unwanted screen inputs.
>>
>> With an active digitizer, you can comfortably rest your hand or
>> touch any other part of the screen and only the tip of the stylus
>> will generate a recognized input.
>>
>> Beverly Howard [Microsoft MVP-Mobile Devices]

Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote:

> fwiw, from my viewpoint, makes sense if you need to send sketches,
> but, personally, I feel it tends to generate a negative reaction
> when someone sends handwriting instead of text... more than once ;-)

Different experience on my side.
I used to send replies to mail with Outlook 2003, handwritten and
commenting in the text.

Almost everyone saw this as the more *personal* way and felt to have
been given more attention.
Unfortunately it does not really work it should anymore in Outlook 2007
:-( :-( and I have not yet got Josh Einstein's TEO.

Rainald

Sven wrote:

>>>> All in all: Don't go for a touch-screen device.
>>>> Go for the beef and get a really working tablet device.
>>>
>>> Why settle for either/or? I was looking at an HP tx2525nr tablet
>>> PC at Best Buy the other day. It does both touch screen and pen
>>> input. Take a look...
>>>
>>>
>>
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1211587729489
>>
>> This is a touch-screen model.
>> It has no digitizer.
>> And there is no combination of two things.
>> It's just a touch-screen.
>> And in fact it really is either/or.
>
> No, it is both, I can use the stylus that came with it, over the
> screen and the cursor follows it without touching the screen. I can
> use buttons on the stylus to affect different actions, like right
> click. Those are marks of an active digitizer. I can also poke
> things with my finger, like in the MCE interface, and have it
> respond..touch screen.
> The 2000 series is both touch and digitizer. The touch is not super
> sensitive, so I have not had the issue of it reacting to the heel
> of my hand when writing, but it is a touch sensitive screen.

Thanks for letting me know.
The specs are quite bad.
I'll check deeper into it.

Rainald

"Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in
message news:O7fmqvOUJHA.5344@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> CrapUSA <<
>
> They are gone... online only and really it's tigerdirect.
>
> That said, before you jump, would try to get some "hands on" time with the
> units you are considering.
>
> >> I think I want to get a larger one this time. Something with DVD <<
>
> hmmm... tread carefully... I made the same choice with the T4215 but,
> after my beloved Vaio Picturebook, it's proving to be "too much" hardware
> to lug around in comparison. If I traveled regularly, the dvd might be
> worth the weight and size, but think I would be happier with an 8.5"
> screen and a docking station.
>
> Beverly Howard [Microsoft MVP-Mobile Devices]
>

It would be nice if they provided a way for you to Sit down and use the
touch screen. what can you tell about how it will Work for you standing up
for a minute or two.-Also I think it Could prove difficult to use a
graphics program with the screen straight up and down.

--
Writing-not typing-on my UMPC - please ignore any "writos."
diane whatever

The HPs HP tx2525 and the like. I noticed when I was looking, every big box
store seemed to have their own particular build with just a slightly
different number. Some with 64B OS, some with more or less memory, drive
space, etc, I actually have one of the older TX1327s that had only the touch
screen, and the difference is remarkable, though physically the devices look
virtually identical. I have a gut feel that the 64B OS makes a lot of
difference in how Vista runs. I have noticed that on a couple of new
machines, though I have not yet taken a box loaded with 32B and rebuilt it
with 64 to see if I could see a difference.

"Rainald Taesler" <taesler@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:ONyLMIXUJHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> What do you mean by "2000 series"?
> Which manufacturer?
>
> Rainald
>
> Sven schrieb:
>
>> And in fact the 2000 series does both. It has a touch screen that
>> responds to my PPC stylii, my finger, chopsticks etc, but also
>> comes with an active digitizer, which lets you move the cursor
>> around while hovering over the screen a bit, no contact, and
>> responds to pressure differences, which might matter to me if I had
>> any artistic talent. Plus responding to the buttons on the stylus,
>> for right clicks or whatever, which a touch screen would not do.
>>
>>> To clarify, a "touch screen" responds to any pressure... i.e. a
>>> stylus pen, finger, chopstick, etc...
>>>
>>> Touch screens work great on any small screen device such as a
>>> pocketpc since, when using a small device, the stylus or finger is
>>> the only thing touching the screen at the one time.
>>>
>>> On the larger "tablet" screens, it is difficult to use a stylus
>>> without resting the heel of your hand on the screen itself, and,
>>> when you do so, the additional contact of that part of the hand
>>> also generates unwanted screen inputs.
>>>
>>> With an active digitizer, you can comfortably rest your hand or
>>> touch any other part of the screen and only the tip of the stylus
>>> will generate a recognized input.
>>>
>>> Beverly Howard [Microsoft MVP-Mobile Devices]

You need to go play with one. Mine is actually a tx2525nr, AMD 2GHz, 3G Ram,
machine and it is very responsive. This is the second machine I have that is
using the 64B OS, and they run circles around machines I have running 32B
Vista. My desktop is a Quad processor, 2.4GHz box with 4G of RAM, but the
32B OS (yea I know what that does to my 4G of RAM), but still the little
lappy is much more responsive. Go play with one. Not sure where you are, but
around here, BestBuy, Circuit City and OfficeDepot had them sitting out.
Make them find you a stylus, or bring your own, (yes, digital).

"Rainald Taesler" <taesler@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:efZBdIXUJHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Sven wrote:
>
>>>>> All in all: Don't go for a touch-screen device.
>>>>> Go for the beef and get a really working tablet device.
>>>>
>>>> Why settle for either/or? I was looking at an HP tx2525nr tablet
>>>> PC at Best Buy the other day. It does both touch screen and pen
>>>> input. Take a look...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1211587729489
>>>
>>> This is a touch-screen model.
>>> It has no digitizer.
>>> And there is no combination of two things.
>>> It's just a touch-screen.
>>> And in fact it really is either/or.
>>
>> No, it is both, I can use the stylus that came with it, over the
>> screen and the cursor follows it without touching the screen. I can
>> use buttons on the stylus to affect different actions, like right
>> click. Those are marks of an active digitizer. I can also poke
>> things with my finger, like in the MCE interface, and have it
>> respond..touch screen.
>> The 2000 series is both touch and digitizer. The touch is not super
>> sensitive, so I have not had the issue of it reacting to the heel
>> of my hand when writing, but it is a touch sensitive screen.
>
> Thanks for letting me know.
> The specs are quite bad.
> I'll check deeper into it.
>
> Rainald
>

Sven wrote:
>> What do you mean by "2000 series"?
>> Which manufacturer?
>
> The HPs HP tx2525 and the like.

Thanks for clarifying!

> I noticed when I was looking, every
> big box store seemed to have their own particular build with just a
> slightly different number. Some with 64B OS, some with more or less
> memory, drive space, etc, I actually have one of the older TX1327s
> that had only the touch screen, and the difference is remarkable,
> though physically the devices look virtually identical.

Yes, for sure. A device with a digitizer work ways better.
That's what we had discussed before.
It was my fault not see that the HP 2xxx models would have both.
But the presence of a touch-screen feature may be a disadvantage too as
dee.cee.vee thread "Digitizer problems" shows.

> I have a
> gut feel that the 64B OS makes a lot of difference in how Vista
> runs. I have noticed that on a couple of new machines, though I
> have not yet taken a box loaded with 32B and rebuilt it with 64 to
> see if I could see a difference.

Do you really think that Vista-64 would bring any advantages as far as
the functionality of the digitizer and ink recognition is concerned?
Any sources for that?

So far my opinion - from carefully studying all of what is posted in the
German Vista-newsgroups - is that the 64-bit versions of Vista are not
really useful and one would better go with 32-bit unless one had some
software requiring 64-bit.
There are number of drawbacks, f.e. no printer for OneNote (which is one
of the true must-have things on a TabletPC).

Rainald

Sven wrote:
>> Thanks for letting me know.
>> The specs are quite bad.
>> I'll check deeper into it.
>
> You need to go play with one. Mine is actually a tx2525nr, AMD
> 2GHz, 3G Ram, machine and it is very responsive. This is the second
> machine I have that is using the 64B OS, and they run circles
> around machines I have running 32B Vista. My desktop is a Quad
> processor, 2.4GHz box with 4G of RAM, but the 32B OS (yea I know
> what that does to my 4G of RAM), but still the little lappy is much
> more responsive.

Sounds really good.

> Go play with one. Not sure where you are, but
> around here, BestBuy, Circuit City and OfficeDepot had them sitting
> out. Make them find you a stylus, or bring your own, (yes,
> digital).

I'd love to play with it.
But TabletPC are a true niche product and I could not yet a place where
a HP TabletPC might be available for testing :-( :-(

Rainald

Well, don't know how impatient you are, or if you are considering Summit
next year, but I expect to be there and likely will bring that laptop.
Probably it will stay in the hotel room, but it will be there. I expect
there will be a number there that could be 'played with'.

"Rainald Taesler" <taesler@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:OWdzB$VWJHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Sven wrote:
>>> Thanks for letting me know.
>>> The specs are quite bad.
>>> I'll check deeper into it.
>>
>> You need to go play with one. Mine is actually a tx2525nr, AMD
>> 2GHz, 3G Ram, machine and it is very responsive. This is the second
>> machine I have that is using the 64B OS, and they run circles
>> around machines I have running 32B Vista. My desktop is a Quad
>> processor, 2.4GHz box with 4G of RAM, but the 32B OS (yea I know
>> what that does to my 4G of RAM), but still the little lappy is much
>> more responsive.
>
> Sounds really good.
>
>> Go play with one. Not sure where you are, but
>> around here, BestBuy, Circuit City and OfficeDepot had them sitting
>> out. Make them find you a stylus, or bring your own, (yes,
>> digital).
>
> I'd love to play with it.
> But TabletPC are a true niche product and I could not yet a place where
> a HP TabletPC might be available for testing :-( :-(
>
> Rainald
>
>

Sven schrieb:

> Well, don't know how impatient you are, or if you are considering
> Summit next year, but I expect to be there and likely will bring
> that laptop. Probably it will stay in the hotel room, but it will
> be there. I expect there will be a number there that could be
> 'played with'.

What's "Summit"??

Rainald

>> What's "Summit"?? <<

Think Sven thought you were a Microsoft MVP (from your posts here, no doubt)

MS hosts a yearly "Summit" conference for Microsoft MVPs where the
number of tablets in use are increasing.

Personally, I travel light... The guys using tablets and laptops need a
place to sit... the PocketPC users can work on their feet and lug many
fewer pounds for that week ;-)

Beverly Howard [Microsoft MVP-Mobile Devices]

Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] schrieb:

>>> What's "Summit"?? <<
>
> Think Sven thought you were a Microsoft MVP (from your posts here,
> no doubt)

LOL
I'm not doing too much in here
(well, ther's not too much traffic anymore).

But in the OneNote group perhaps someone ,ight detect Me <gbg>.

> MS hosts a yearly "Summit" conference for Microsoft MVPs where the
> number of tablets in use are increasing.

Thanks fot explaining.

> Personally, I travel light... The guys using tablets and laptops
> need a place to sit... the PocketPC users can work on their feet
> and lug many fewer pounds for that week ;-)

LOL

I know why I have my PDA.
But I for one won't miss my TabletPC!

Rainald

Yup, that was it. Might just have forgotten where I was in the newsgroups.

"Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in
message news:ukQSvq9WJHA.868@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> What's "Summit"?? <<
>
> Think Sven thought you were a Microsoft MVP (from your posts here, no
> doubt)
>
> MS hosts a yearly "Summit" conference for Microsoft MVPs where the number
> of tablets in use are increasing.
>
> Personally, I travel light... The guys using tablets and laptops need a
> place to sit... the PocketPC users can work on their feet and lug many
> fewer pounds for that week ;-)
>
> Beverly Howard [Microsoft MVP-Mobile Devices]
>
>
>
>