I have just installed SP2 and I now unable to undock
TIPS. If I select UNDOCK, it hides and when I redisplay
it, it goes back to being top docked or bottom docked
depending on what was selected before I tried to undock
the thing.

Any ideas?


Frank

Frank,

This behaviour (the tip disappears when undocked) is how it is supposed to
work.

When it is "hidden" a small TIP icon should appear when the focus of the
cursor is in an area of the screen that accepts text input. Touch the
floating icon and the TIP should reappear.

Check out the options button (looks like a gray gear) and you can set the
way you want that undocked TIP behave (appear on hover or appear when you
touch the icon etc.)

"Frank BRadley" wrote:

> I have just installed SP2 and I now unable to undock
> TIPS. If I select UNDOCK, it hides and when I redisplay
> it, it goes back to being top docked or bottom docked
> depending on what was selected before I tried to undock
> the thing.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Frank
>

Forgot to mention, there are a few programs where the undocked TIP does not
work as expected, so to eliminate that as a issue, try it in NotePad or IE
(in the Address Bar, or a text entry area).

"Frank BRadley" wrote:

> I have just installed SP2 and I now unable to undock
> TIPS. If I select UNDOCK, it hides and when I redisplay
> it, it goes back to being top docked or bottom docked
> depending on what was selected before I tried to undock
> the thing.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Frank
>

Ok that is a big change, it worked with NOTEPAD and the
other applications. I was so accustomed to always seeing
the entire TIPS panel even when the desktop was visible.

I love the way it hides now in the application!!

Thanks


Frank


>-----Original Message-----
>Forgot to mention, there are a few programs where the
undocked TIP does not
>work as expected, so to eliminate that as a issue, try
it in NotePad or IE
>(in the Address Bar, or a text entry area).
>
>"Frank BRadley" wrote:
>
>> I have just installed SP2 and I now unable to undock
>> TIPS. If I select UNDOCK, it hides and when I
redisplay
>> it, it goes back to being top docked or bottom docked
>> depending on what was selected before I tried to
undock
>> the thing.
>>

Frank, and for anyone else reading this, the expected behavior when you
Undock the Tablet Input Panel is for it to disappear. It will not appear
on-screen if you're using a keyboard or mouse.

However, when in the Undock position and the pen is within about 3/4 of an
inch of the Tablet screen, the small TIP Access button ("floating" TIP icon)
will appear when you are in tap a text input area with the pen.

If you remove the pen away from the screen, the TIP Access button will
disappear. Same thing with the opened Tablet Input Panel, if nothing has
been written in it. Don't expect the Tablet Input Panel to remain open for
you if you pause to scratch your chin with your hand that has the pen in it
unless you've already written a few words. 8-)

The design - and "expected behavior" - is for the TIP Access button in
Undock position not to be on-screen unless the pen is in use. With the
Tablet Input Panel open by selecting one of the Dock positions - and
anchored either top or bottom of the screen - the TIP Access button will not
be available even if you're navigating the screen with a pen.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Frank Bradley" <snowcat1964********.com> wrote in message
news:0bb501c48b7f$77431910$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> Ok that is a big change, it worked with NOTEPAD and the
> other applications. I was so accustomed to always seeing
> the entire TIPS panel even when the desktop was visible.
>
> I love the way it hides now in the application!!
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Frank

I am one of the anyone else's who agrees with another recent post about no
longer being able to undock and resize TIP. I would suggest that the
"expected behavior" is for undocking to work just as it did prior to SP2.

For me, and I suspect many others, losing that ability may promt me to go
back to the previous OS (prior to SP2). Why did you not consider that many
of us would use TIP that way, since you obviously thought it was important
prior to SP2? Could this not have been an undocked option in addition to
"appear near the insertion piont"? The latter option does not work well for
me in the applications I use, frequently entering strings into pop up
dialogues. The floating TIP hides command buttons on the forms. I have to
repeatedly move it out of the way.

Even if you allowed resizing of TIP while docked, my computing experience
would be enhanced.

Greg



"Chris H." wrote:

> Frank, and for anyone else reading this, the expected behavior when you
> Undock the Tablet Input Panel is for it to disappear. It will not appear
> on-screen if you're using a keyboard or mouse.
>
> However, when in the Undock position and the pen is within about 3/4 of an
> inch of the Tablet screen, the small TIP Access button ("floating" TIP icon)
> will appear when you are in tap a text input area with the pen.
>
> If you remove the pen away from the screen, the TIP Access button will
> disappear. Same thing with the opened Tablet Input Panel, if nothing has
> been written in it. Don't expect the Tablet Input Panel to remain open for
> you if you pause to scratch your chin with your hand that has the pen in it
> unless you've already written a few words. 8-)
>
> The design - and "expected behavior" - is for the TIP Access button in
> Undock position not to be on-screen unless the pen is in use. With the
> Tablet Input Panel open by selecting one of the Dock positions - and
> anchored either top or bottom of the screen - the TIP Access button will not
> be available even if you're navigating the screen with a pen.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Frank Bradley" <snowcat1964********.com> wrote in message
> news:0bb501c48b7f$77431910$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> > Ok that is a big change, it worked with NOTEPAD and the
> > other applications. I was so accustomed to always seeing
> > the entire TIPS panel even when the desktop was visible.
> >
> > I love the way it hides now in the application!!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Frank
>
>
>

Greg, first I'd like to correct an apparent assumption that the MVPs who
answer posts in this newsgroup are somehow "Microsoft." We're not, and do
this on a voluntary basis. You might be interested in information about the
MVP program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

Now, second, I'd like to say I agreed with your issues when the testing
first started with the new TIP. Until about the third or fourth day, and
then I absolutely didn't miss the Write Anywhere "feature" at all. It
wasn't even in my mind to look for it.

The overall increase in behavior I've found very acceptable, and wouldn't
want to go back to the original. The new TIP can be moved wherever you
wish, just like moving a new email or response to a newsgroup post slightly
out of the way when it covers something you want to see.

As for resizing, the new TIP does it automatically as you complete one line,
opening a new one for you. Keep in mind, too, that you can write strings
you use over and over again, and add them as part of your dictionary which
will cut down on your input time.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Greg" <Greg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F62BFEE6-E0B1-46FF-B4A9-5CE5028A8C86@microsoft.com...
>I am one of the anyone else's who agrees with another recent post about no
> longer being able to undock and resize TIP. I would suggest that the
> "expected behavior" is for undocking to work just as it did prior to SP2.
>
> For me, and I suspect many others, losing that ability may promt me to go
> back to the previous OS (prior to SP2). Why did you not consider that
> many
> of us would use TIP that way, since you obviously thought it was important
> prior to SP2? Could this not have been an undocked option in addition to
> "appear near the insertion piont"? The latter option does not work well
> for
> me in the applications I use, frequently entering strings into pop up
> dialogues. The floating TIP hides command buttons on the forms. I have
> to
> repeatedly move it out of the way.
>
> Even if you allowed resizing of TIP while docked, my computing experience
> would be enhanced.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> "Chris H." wrote:
>
>> Frank, and for anyone else reading this, the expected behavior when you
>> Undock the Tablet Input Panel is for it to disappear. It will not appear
>> on-screen if you're using a keyboard or mouse.
>>
>> However, when in the Undock position and the pen is within about 3/4 of
>> an
>> inch of the Tablet screen, the small TIP Access button ("floating" TIP
>> icon)
>> will appear when you are in tap a text input area with the pen.
>>
>> If you remove the pen away from the screen, the TIP Access button will
>> disappear. Same thing with the opened Tablet Input Panel, if nothing has
>> been written in it. Don't expect the Tablet Input Panel to remain open
>> for
>> you if you pause to scratch your chin with your hand that has the pen in
>> it
>> unless you've already written a few words. 8-)
>>
>> The design - and "expected behavior" - is for the TIP Access button in
>> Undock position not to be on-screen unless the pen is in use. With the
>> Tablet Input Panel open by selecting one of the Dock positions - and
>> anchored either top or bottom of the screen - the TIP Access button will
>> not
>> be available even if you're navigating the screen with a pen.
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>
>> "Frank Bradley" <snowcat1964********.com> wrote in message
>> news:0bb501c48b7f$77431910$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>> > Ok that is a big change, it worked with NOTEPAD and the
>> > other applications. I was so accustomed to always seeing
>> > the entire TIPS panel even when the desktop was visible.
>> >
>> > I love the way it hides now in the application!!
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> > Frank
>>
>>
>>

I am adding my voice to this problem as well. The UNDOCK
or moving version of TIP does exist and shows up when you
let the pen hover....but starting the TIP from the bar
does not allow undocking!
Hopefully, someone at MS can help with this as I hate
wasting large amount of screen space with the docked
version.
Manoj.

>-----Original Message-----
>I have just installed SP2 and I now unable to undock
>TIPS. If I select UNDOCK, it hides and when I redisplay
>it, it goes back to being top docked or bottom docked
>depending on what was selected before I tried to undock
>the thing.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>
>Frank
>.
>

That is the design decision from Microsoft. When you start the TIP from the
Taskbar, it reverts from the Undock position to being Docked at either the
top or bottom of your screen. If you don't want to lost the Undock setting,
simply tap the little floating TIP Access icon that's on your screen.

Select Undock from the Tablet Input Panel Options menu, and the TIP Access
icon will only show on-screen when your pen is within about 3/4 of an inch
of the screen. If you're using a keyboard or the Touchpad or mouse for
navigation, it won't show. As soon as you have the pen close to the screen,
with the cursor in a text input position (email, newsgroup post, URL in
Internet Explorer, password location, etc., etc.), the little icon will
show. You can tap that, and the TIP will appear. Finish what you're doing
and move the pen away, and the TIP disappears.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Manoj Chopra" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1bab01c48cb7$6a2770d0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
>I am adding my voice to this problem as well. The UNDOCK
> or moving version of TIP does exist and shows up when you
> let the pen hover....but starting the TIP from the bar
> does not allow undocking!
> Hopefully, someone at MS can help with this as I hate
> wasting large amount of screen space with the docked
> version.
> Manoj.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>I have just installed SP2 and I now unable to undock
>>TIPS. If I select UNDOCK, it hides and when I redisplay
>>it, it goes back to being top docked or bottom docked
>>depending on what was selected before I tried to undock
>>the thing.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>Frank
>>.
>>

Thanks Chris for volunteering your time and advice. I'm willing to give it
some time (actually I have little choice). I'm sure I'll eventually become
accustomed to the new TIP undocked behavior, however I remain puzzled as to
why the previoius undocked choice was eliminated.

"Chris H." wrote:

> Greg, first I'd like to correct an apparent assumption that the MVPs who
> answer posts in this newsgroup are somehow "Microsoft." We're not, and do
> this on a voluntary basis. You might be interested in information about the
> MVP program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>
> Now, second, I'd like to say I agreed with your issues when the testing
> first started with the new TIP. Until about the third or fourth day, and
> then I absolutely didn't miss the Write Anywhere "feature" at all. It
> wasn't even in my mind to look for it.
>
> The overall increase in behavior I've found very acceptable, and wouldn't
> want to go back to the original. The new TIP can be moved wherever you
> wish, just like moving a new email or response to a newsgroup post slightly
> out of the way when it covers something you want to see.
>
> As for resizing, the new TIP does it automatically as you complete one line,
> opening a new one for you. Keep in mind, too, that you can write strings
> you use over and over again, and add them as part of your dictionary which
> will cut down on your input time.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Greg" <Greg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F62BFEE6-E0B1-46FF-B4A9-5CE5028A8C86@microsoft.com...
> >I am one of the anyone else's who agrees with another recent post about no
> > longer being able to undock and resize TIP. I would suggest that the
> > "expected behavior" is for undocking to work just as it did prior to SP2.
> >
> > For me, and I suspect many others, losing that ability may promt me to go
> > back to the previous OS (prior to SP2). Why did you not consider that
> > many
> > of us would use TIP that way, since you obviously thought it was important
> > prior to SP2? Could this not have been an undocked option in addition to
> > "appear near the insertion piont"? The latter option does not work well
> > for
> > me in the applications I use, frequently entering strings into pop up
> > dialogues. The floating TIP hides command buttons on the forms. I have
> > to
> > repeatedly move it out of the way.
> >
> > Even if you allowed resizing of TIP while docked, my computing experience
> > would be enhanced.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> > "Chris H." wrote:
> >
> >> Frank, and for anyone else reading this, the expected behavior when you
> >> Undock the Tablet Input Panel is for it to disappear. It will not appear
> >> on-screen if you're using a keyboard or mouse.
> >>
> >> However, when in the Undock position and the pen is within about 3/4 of
> >> an
> >> inch of the Tablet screen, the small TIP Access button ("floating" TIP
> >> icon)
> >> will appear when you are in tap a text input area with the pen.
> >>
> >> If you remove the pen away from the screen, the TIP Access button will
> >> disappear. Same thing with the opened Tablet Input Panel, if nothing has
> >> been written in it. Don't expect the Tablet Input Panel to remain open
> >> for
> >> you if you pause to scratch your chin with your hand that has the pen in
> >> it
> >> unless you've already written a few words. 8-)
> >>
> >> The design - and "expected behavior" - is for the TIP Access button in
> >> Undock position not to be on-screen unless the pen is in use. With the
> >> Tablet Input Panel open by selecting one of the Dock positions - and
> >> anchored either top or bottom of the screen - the TIP Access button will
> >> not
> >> be available even if you're navigating the screen with a pen.
> >> --
> >> Chris H.
> >> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> >> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> >> Associate Expert
> >> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >>
> >>
> >> "Frank Bradley" <snowcat1964********.com> wrote in message
> >> news:0bb501c48b7f$77431910$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> >> > Ok that is a big change, it worked with NOTEPAD and the
> >> > other applications. I was so accustomed to always seeing
> >> > the entire TIPS panel even when the desktop was visible.
> >> >
> >> > I love the way it hides now in the application!!
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Frank
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

8-) Apparently a design choice, Greg. I don't know, but can tell you after
using it a while I wouldn't want to go back to the old one. Sort of like
Write Anywhere. I argued vehemently against that change, but after the
first three or four days of using the "floating" TIP I wouldn't want it any
other way.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Greg" <Greg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B5A9B32D-81D6-4424-A67F-FFCEDBC2A60D@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Chris for volunteering your time and advice. I'm willing to give
> it
> some time (actually I have little choice). I'm sure I'll eventually
> become
> accustomed to the new TIP undocked behavior, however I remain puzzled as
> to
> why the previoius undocked choice was eliminated.
>
> "Chris H." wrote:
>
>> Greg, first I'd like to correct an apparent assumption that the MVPs who
>> answer posts in this newsgroup are somehow "Microsoft." We're not, and
>> do
>> this on a voluntary basis. You might be interested in information about
>> the
>> MVP program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>
>> Now, second, I'd like to say I agreed with your issues when the testing
>> first started with the new TIP. Until about the third or fourth day, and
>> then I absolutely didn't miss the Write Anywhere "feature" at all. It
>> wasn't even in my mind to look for it.
>>
>> The overall increase in behavior I've found very acceptable, and wouldn't
>> want to go back to the original. The new TIP can be moved wherever you
>> wish, just like moving a new email or response to a newsgroup post
>> slightly
>> out of the way when it covers something you want to see.
>>
>> As for resizing, the new TIP does it automatically as you complete one
>> line,
>> opening a new one for you. Keep in mind, too, that you can write strings
>> you use over and over again, and add them as part of your dictionary
>> which
>> will cut down on your input time.
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>
>> "Greg" <Greg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:F62BFEE6-E0B1-46FF-B4A9-5CE5028A8C86@microsoft.com...
>> >I am one of the anyone else's who agrees with another recent post about
>> >no
>> > longer being able to undock and resize TIP. I would suggest that the
>> > "expected behavior" is for undocking to work just as it did prior to
>> > SP2.
>> >
>> > For me, and I suspect many others, losing that ability may promt me to
>> > go
>> > back to the previous OS (prior to SP2). Why did you not consider that
>> > many
>> > of us would use TIP that way, since you obviously thought it was
>> > important
>> > prior to SP2? Could this not have been an undocked option in addition
>> > to
>> > "appear near the insertion piont"? The latter option does not work
>> > well
>> > for
>> > me in the applications I use, frequently entering strings into pop up
>> > dialogues. The floating TIP hides command buttons on the forms. I
>> > have
>> > to
>> > repeatedly move it out of the way.
>> >
>> > Even if you allowed resizing of TIP while docked, my computing
>> > experience
>> > would be enhanced.
>> >
>> > Greg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Chris H." wrote:
>> >
>> >> Frank, and for anyone else reading this, the expected behavior when
>> >> you
>> >> Undock the Tablet Input Panel is for it to disappear. It will not
>> >> appear
>> >> on-screen if you're using a keyboard or mouse.
>> >>
>> >> However, when in the Undock position and the pen is within about 3/4
>> >> of
>> >> an
>> >> inch of the Tablet screen, the small TIP Access button ("floating" TIP
>> >> icon)
>> >> will appear when you are in tap a text input area with the pen.
>> >>
>> >> If you remove the pen away from the screen, the TIP Access button will
>> >> disappear. Same thing with the opened Tablet Input Panel, if nothing
>> >> has
>> >> been written in it. Don't expect the Tablet Input Panel to remain
>> >> open
>> >> for
>> >> you if you pause to scratch your chin with your hand that has the pen
>> >> in
>> >> it
>> >> unless you've already written a few words. 8-)
>> >>
>> >> The design - and "expected behavior" - is for the TIP Access button in
>> >> Undock position not to be on-screen unless the pen is in use. With
>> >> the
>> >> Tablet Input Panel open by selecting one of the Dock positions - and
>> >> anchored either top or bottom of the screen - the TIP Access button
>> >> will
>> >> not
>> >> be available even if you're navigating the screen with a pen.
>> >> --
>> >> Chris H.
>> >> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> >> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> >> Associate Expert
>> >> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Frank Bradley" <snowcat1964********.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:0bb501c48b7f$77431910$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>> >> > Ok that is a big change, it worked with NOTEPAD and the
>> >> > other applications. I was so accustomed to always seeing
>> >> > the entire TIPS panel even when the desktop was visible.
>> >> >
>> >> > I love the way it hides now in the application!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Frank
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>