I had a devil of a time figuring out a way to use Toshiba's provided
DVD to re-image my Portégé M200 when the OS has become so screwed up
as to be unbootable.

I thought I'd provide a description of what I did, in case other's
suffer the same issue. Tablet PCs are new to me, so I have not
followed this newsgroup long. Forgive me if this material has already
been covered. Of course corrections and suggestions are welcome.

====================

Restoring the factory OS to a Toshiba Portégé M200.

The Problem:

At least some versions of the Toshiba portégé M200 Tablet PCs come
with a docking station which includes a modular DVD Multi-recorder
drive. While Toshiba does provide a Bootable DVD with a complete
restore utility, the DOS-mode drivers on this DVD are not sufficient
to allow the Win98 DOS to see the entire contents of the DVD drive. It
may not successfully boot into DOS at all, or even worse, it might
boot enough to begin the recovery utility (wiping the hard drive) but
fail to lay down the new image. If your OS is so damaged as to be
un-bootable, you will not be able to use this DVD as provided to
re-install the machine's OS.

Toshiba's position:

After several calls and E-mails to Toshiba's technical support, they
insisted that the Docking station based DVD drive was not bootable.
Their only solution was for me to purchase a PCMCIA bootable DVD drive
made by a third party (they recommended the Targus Noteworthy DVD CD
drive, NWDVD03, which they were "kind enough" to offer to sell me for
a mere $249.)

From my point of view, this answer was unacceptable. One of the most
important considerations within an enterprise environment is the quick
restoration of problem PCs back to a known good configuration, using
minimal technician time. Asking your customers to purchase a second
DVD drive to do this, just because you so poorly designed the first
one, is a bit much. Idealy I would like to be able to restore the
machine via our network.

After some experiment, and referring to the Tablet PC Forum at:

http://www.tabletpcbuzz.com/forum/to...TOPIC_ID=14976

... I arrived at the following procedure, which may be suitable for
other support personnel who need to re-image M200s over a network,
which in my case is Novel 6.5.

You will need:

-= Access to a network share with more than 1.5 Gigs of free space
-= A retail Copy of Symantec's Ghost.exe (I'm using version 7.5)
-= A working machine on your network that can read DVDs.
-= A working machine that can create Bootable CDRs

*First step*

You will need to copy the pertinent files from the restore DVD to
your network. The necessary image and batch files are all contained in
the \Base subfolder of the DVD. Copy this entire folder to your
network drive. You can leave it named "Base", or re-name it as you
wish.

Second step: You will need to create a new batch file in the folder
you copied above. Create a text file with the following contents
(minus the ***'s):


***
@ECHO OFF
XMSDSK 8192 P: /Y >nul
CALL PREDATA.BAT
SET TGHOSTPS=%FILENAME%
TGHOST -clone,mode=pload,src=PREINST.GHO:1,dst=1:1
-afile=P:\GHOSTERR.TXT -fni –auto
***

(*note: the last line is long, and begins with the word "TGHOST". Make
sure that this is all on one line)

Save this text file to the same folder on the network which contains
the contents of the "Base" folder which you copied in the first step.
Name the file Install.bat.

*Third Step*

One of the files contained in the "Base" folder is a version of
Symantec's Ghost.exe, which is specially branded for Toshiba. This
version will prevent you from loading images via a network drive, so
you need to replace it with a standard retail version of ghost. Simply
rename the extant Ghost.exe to Old_Ghost.exe, and then copy your
"good" ghost.exe into the network folder you copied in the first step.

*Fourth Step*

This one is the most involved. You need to create a piece of
bootable media that your M200 can read and boot from. This media needs
to also allow you to log into your network, mapping the folder you
created in step one.

With the M200 at my disposal, I was NOT able to boot from a USB device
(in my case a 512 MB USB Flash Key, made by Kingston). Whether this is
true of all M200s, or if mine was simply incompatible with my key, I
can't say. In any case, it was not a workable option for me. Of course
there is no integrated floppy or CD-Rom, so the only included options
available for booting besides the hard drive are the SD memory card
and the docking station's integrated DVD drive.

If you have access to one, you can make a bootable SD memory card
using a working M200's utility to write a bootable image to it. Or,
more commonly, you can make a bootable CDR.

To make my Bootable CDR, I used the utility which comes with Roxio 5
Basic, though I'm sure many will do. This utility copies the image of
a bootable floppy to the CDR. The M200's bios does indeed allow you to
boot from CDR… the setup simply isn't compatible with the standard IDE
drivers that let you see the entire CDR's contents, so you'll just see
whatever was on the floppy you used as a template in Rocio. If you
already have a floppy disk which you use to boot and log into your
network, this is all you need.

I constructed my bootable floppy for Netware according to Erwin
Veermans's excellent guide at http://www.veder.com/nwdsk/index.html,
using the FreeDos based NWDisk.

Once you create and configure a working Netware floppy disk, you can
use this disk to make your bootable CDR. Then, you are ready to
actually re-image the M200.

*Fifth Step Re-imaging the M200*

Dock the M200, and arrange the screen for Keyboard access. Insert
the bootable CDR made in step four into the docking station's DVD
drive. Restart the M200. During the post screen, hit the F2 key to
prevent the machine from booting from the hard drive. You will now be
able to use the left and right arrow keys to choose your boot method.
Select the CD icon (which looks like a single disk).

Allow the M200 to boot and log into the network. Insure that you have
mapped a drive that allows you to see the folder you copied in step
one. Change directories so that you can see the contents of the "Base"
folder.

Run the batch file you made in step two by typing "install.bat" and
hitting Enter. This will launch your retail version of Ghost (copied
in step three) using the password and variables passed from Toshiba's
little Tghost utility. Follow normal Ghost procedures, allowing it to
re-image your the Tablet PC's hard drive. Note that any old data will
be lost.

*Sixth Step*

After imaging, the machine will reboot into Windows XP. You will need
to perform the normal steps to set up a brand new Windows XP install
(setting the Administrator password, naming the machine and setting
the workgroup, etc.)

Good Luck!

-= Nat

Nat, first I seem to have had it simple:
1 - Targus DVD drive (PADVD010). Insert DVD, select Boot from CD option on
restart, and format C: drive. Installation gives you the full, factory
setup and doesn't touch other partitioned drives.
2 - Acronis True Image, saving image of C: drive when I've installed all the
40-some programs I use and have activated, to the D: drive. Acronis allows
F11 on boot to restore an image in a matter of minutes from the second
drive. Very rare need to do this, but sure helps with beta testing.

So now, my question is what is causing this "so screwed up as to be
unbootable" situation? Do you use System Restore and have Restore Points?
What type of errors or issues are you seeing?
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Nat Kimble" <nkimble@ufl.edu> wrote in message
news:857eeb1d.0408020841.68a6f1e@posting.google.co m...
>I had a devil of a time figuring out a way to use Toshiba's provided
> DVD to re-image my Portégé M200 when the OS has become so screwed up
> as to be unbootable.
>
> I thought I'd provide a description of what I did, in case other's
> suffer the same issue. Tablet PCs are new to me, so I have not
> followed this newsgroup long. Forgive me if this material has already
> been covered. Of course corrections and suggestions are welcome.
>
> ====================
>
> Restoring the factory OS to a Toshiba Portégé M200.
>
> The Problem:
>
> At least some versions of the Toshiba portégé M200 Tablet PCs come
> with a docking station which includes a modular DVD Multi-recorder
> drive. While Toshiba does provide a Bootable DVD with a complete
> restore utility, the DOS-mode drivers on this DVD are not sufficient
> to allow the Win98 DOS to see the entire contents of the DVD drive. It
> may not successfully boot into DOS at all, or even worse, it might
> boot enough to begin the recovery utility (wiping the hard drive) but
> fail to lay down the new image. If your OS is so damaged as to be
> un-bootable, you will not be able to use this DVD as provided to
> re-install the machine's OS.
>
> Toshiba's position:
>
> After several calls and E-mails to Toshiba's technical support, they
> insisted that the Docking station based DVD drive was not bootable.
> Their only solution was for me to purchase a PCMCIA bootable DVD drive
> made by a third party (they recommended the Targus Noteworthy DVD CD
> drive, NWDVD03, which they were "kind enough" to offer to sell me for
> a mere $249.)
>
> From my point of view, this answer was unacceptable. One of the most
> important considerations within an enterprise environment is the quick
> restoration of problem PCs back to a known good configuration, using
> minimal technician time. Asking your customers to purchase a second
> DVD drive to do this, just because you so poorly designed the first
> one, is a bit much. Idealy I would like to be able to restore the
> machine via our network.
>
> After some experiment, and referring to the Tablet PC Forum at:
>
> http://www.tabletpcbuzz.com/forum/to...TOPIC_ID=14976
>
> ... I arrived at the following procedure, which may be suitable for
> other support personnel who need to re-image M200s over a network,
> which in my case is Novel 6.5.
>
> You will need:
>
> -= Access to a network share with more than 1.5 Gigs of free space
> -= A retail Copy of Symantec's Ghost.exe (I'm using version 7.5)
> -= A working machine on your network that can read DVDs.
> -= A working machine that can create Bootable CDRs
>
> *First step*
>
> You will need to copy the pertinent files from the restore DVD to
> your network. The necessary image and batch files are all contained in
> the \Base subfolder of the DVD. Copy this entire folder to your
> network drive. You can leave it named "Base", or re-name it as you
> wish.
>
> Second step: You will need to create a new batch file in the folder
> you copied above. Create a text file with the following contents
> (minus the ***'s):
>
>
> ***
> @ECHO OFF
> XMSDSK 8192 P: /Y >nul
> CALL PREDATA.BAT
> SET TGHOSTPS=%FILENAME%
> TGHOST -clone,mode=pload,src=PREINST.GHO:1,dst=1:1
> -afile=P:\GHOSTERR.TXT -fni -auto
> ***
>
> (*note: the last line is long, and begins with the word "TGHOST". Make
> sure that this is all on one line)
>
> Save this text file to the same folder on the network which contains
> the contents of the "Base" folder which you copied in the first step.
> Name the file Install.bat.
>
> *Third Step*
>
> One of the files contained in the "Base" folder is a version of
> Symantec's Ghost.exe, which is specially branded for Toshiba. This
> version will prevent you from loading images via a network drive, so
> you need to replace it with a standard retail version of ghost. Simply
> rename the extant Ghost.exe to Old_Ghost.exe, and then copy your
> "good" ghost.exe into the network folder you copied in the first step.
>
> *Fourth Step*
>
> This one is the most involved. You need to create a piece of
> bootable media that your M200 can read and boot from. This media needs
> to also allow you to log into your network, mapping the folder you
> created in step one.
>
> With the M200 at my disposal, I was NOT able to boot from a USB device
> (in my case a 512 MB USB Flash Key, made by Kingston). Whether this is
> true of all M200s, or if mine was simply incompatible with my key, I
> can't say. In any case, it was not a workable option for me. Of course
> there is no integrated floppy or CD-Rom, so the only included options
> available for booting besides the hard drive are the SD memory card
> and the docking station's integrated DVD drive.
>
> If you have access to one, you can make a bootable SD memory card
> using a working M200's utility to write a bootable image to it. Or,
> more commonly, you can make a bootable CDR.
>
> To make my Bootable CDR, I used the utility which comes with Roxio 5
> Basic, though I'm sure many will do. This utility copies the image of
> a bootable floppy to the CDR. The M200's bios does indeed allow you to
> boot from CDR. the setup simply isn't compatible with the standard IDE
> drivers that let you see the entire CDR's contents, so you'll just see
> whatever was on the floppy you used as a template in Rocio. If you
> already have a floppy disk which you use to boot and log into your
> network, this is all you need.
>
> I constructed my bootable floppy for Netware according to Erwin
> Veermans's excellent guide at http://www.veder.com/nwdsk/index.html,
> using the FreeDos based NWDisk.
>
> Once you create and configure a working Netware floppy disk, you can
> use this disk to make your bootable CDR. Then, you are ready to
> actually re-image the M200.
>
> *Fifth Step Re-imaging the M200*
>
> Dock the M200, and arrange the screen for Keyboard access. Insert
> the bootable CDR made in step four into the docking station's DVD
> drive. Restart the M200. During the post screen, hit the F2 key to
> prevent the machine from booting from the hard drive. You will now be
> able to use the left and right arrow keys to choose your boot method.
> Select the CD icon (which looks like a single disk).
>
> Allow the M200 to boot and log into the network. Insure that you have
> mapped a drive that allows you to see the folder you copied in step
> one. Change directories so that you can see the contents of the "Base"
> folder.
>
> Run the batch file you made in step two by typing "install.bat" and
> hitting Enter. This will launch your retail version of Ghost (copied
> in step three) using the password and variables passed from Toshiba's
> little Tghost utility. Follow normal Ghost procedures, allowing it to
> re-image your the Tablet PC's hard drive. Note that any old data will
> be lost.
>
> *Sixth Step*
>
> After imaging, the machine will reboot into Windows XP. You will need
> to perform the normal steps to set up a brand new Windows XP install
> (setting the Administrator password, naming the machine and setting
> the workgroup, etc.)
>
> Good Luck!
>
> -= Nat

The real problem is the lack of a standard XP Tablet PC Edition OS install
CD. If that conspicuously missing CD were available then you wouldn't be
suffering the bizarre contortions of doing an image restore type recovery
process, which you have so eloquently shown is NOT robust and a major pain
and is un-clean.

An XP install CD just like anyone can go buy at the store for XP Pro on a
desktop is what's needed.


"Nat Kimble" <nkimble@ufl.edu> wrote in message
news:857eeb1d.0408020841.68a6f1e@posting.google.co m...
> I had a devil of a time figuring out a way to use Toshiba's provided
> DVD to re-image my Portégé M200 when the OS has become so screwed up
> as to be unbootable.
>
> I thought I'd provide a description of what I did, in case other's
> suffer the same issue. Tablet PCs are new to me, so I have not
> followed this newsgroup long. Forgive me if this material has already
> been covered. Of course corrections and suggestions are welcome.
>
> ====================
>
> Restoring the factory OS to a Toshiba Portégé M200.
>
> The Problem:
>
> At least some versions of the Toshiba portégé M200 Tablet PCs come
> with a docking station which includes a modular DVD Multi-recorder
> drive. While Toshiba does provide a Bootable DVD with a complete
> restore utility, the DOS-mode drivers on this DVD are not sufficient
> to allow the Win98 DOS to see the entire contents of the DVD drive. It
> may not successfully boot into DOS at all, or even worse, it might
> boot enough to begin the recovery utility (wiping the hard drive) but
> fail to lay down the new image. If your OS is so damaged as to be
> un-bootable, you will not be able to use this DVD as provided to
> re-install the machine's OS.
>
> Toshiba's position:
>
> After several calls and E-mails to Toshiba's technical support, they
> insisted that the Docking station based DVD drive was not bootable.
> Their only solution was for me to purchase a PCMCIA bootable DVD drive
> made by a third party (they recommended the Targus Noteworthy DVD CD
> drive, NWDVD03, which they were "kind enough" to offer to sell me for
> a mere $249.)
>
> From my point of view, this answer was unacceptable. One of the most
> important considerations within an enterprise environment is the quick
> restoration of problem PCs back to a known good configuration, using
> minimal technician time. Asking your customers to purchase a second
> DVD drive to do this, just because you so poorly designed the first
> one, is a bit much. Idealy I would like to be able to restore the
> machine via our network.
>
> After some experiment, and referring to the Tablet PC Forum at:
>
> http://www.tabletpcbuzz.com/forum/to...TOPIC_ID=14976
>
> ... I arrived at the following procedure, which may be suitable for
> other support personnel who need to re-image M200s over a network,
> which in my case is Novel 6.5.
>
> You will need:
>
> -= Access to a network share with more than 1.5 Gigs of free space
> -= A retail Copy of Symantec's Ghost.exe (I'm using version 7.5)
> -= A working machine on your network that can read DVDs.
> -= A working machine that can create Bootable CDRs
>
> *First step*
>
> You will need to copy the pertinent files from the restore DVD to
> your network. The necessary image and batch files are all contained in
> the \Base subfolder of the DVD. Copy this entire folder to your
> network drive. You can leave it named "Base", or re-name it as you
> wish.
>
> Second step: You will need to create a new batch file in the folder
> you copied above. Create a text file with the following contents
> (minus the ***'s):
>
>
> ***
> @ECHO OFF
> XMSDSK 8192 P: /Y >nul
> CALL PREDATA.BAT
> SET TGHOSTPS=%FILENAME%
> TGHOST -clone,mode=pload,src=PREINST.GHO:1,dst=1:1
> -afile=P:\GHOSTERR.TXT -fni -auto
> ***
>
> (*note: the last line is long, and begins with the word "TGHOST". Make
> sure that this is all on one line)
>
> Save this text file to the same folder on the network which contains
> the contents of the "Base" folder which you copied in the first step.
> Name the file Install.bat.
>
> *Third Step*
>
> One of the files contained in the "Base" folder is a version of
> Symantec's Ghost.exe, which is specially branded for Toshiba. This
> version will prevent you from loading images via a network drive, so
> you need to replace it with a standard retail version of ghost. Simply
> rename the extant Ghost.exe to Old_Ghost.exe, and then copy your
> "good" ghost.exe into the network folder you copied in the first step.
>
> *Fourth Step*
>
> This one is the most involved. You need to create a piece of
> bootable media that your M200 can read and boot from. This media needs
> to also allow you to log into your network, mapping the folder you
> created in step one.
>
> With the M200 at my disposal, I was NOT able to boot from a USB device
> (in my case a 512 MB USB Flash Key, made by Kingston). Whether this is
> true of all M200s, or if mine was simply incompatible with my key, I
> can't say. In any case, it was not a workable option for me. Of course
> there is no integrated floppy or CD-Rom, so the only included options
> available for booting besides the hard drive are the SD memory card
> and the docking station's integrated DVD drive.
>
> If you have access to one, you can make a bootable SD memory card
> using a working M200's utility to write a bootable image to it. Or,
> more commonly, you can make a bootable CDR.
>
> To make my Bootable CDR, I used the utility which comes with Roxio 5
> Basic, though I'm sure many will do. This utility copies the image of
> a bootable floppy to the CDR. The M200's bios does indeed allow you to
> boot from CDR. the setup simply isn't compatible with the standard IDE
> drivers that let you see the entire CDR's contents, so you'll just see
> whatever was on the floppy you used as a template in Rocio. If you
> already have a floppy disk which you use to boot and log into your
> network, this is all you need.
>
> I constructed my bootable floppy for Netware according to Erwin
> Veermans's excellent guide at http://www.veder.com/nwdsk/index.html,
> using the FreeDos based NWDisk.
>
> Once you create and configure a working Netware floppy disk, you can
> use this disk to make your bootable CDR. Then, you are ready to
> actually re-image the M200.
>
> *Fifth Step Re-imaging the M200*
>
> Dock the M200, and arrange the screen for Keyboard access. Insert
> the bootable CDR made in step four into the docking station's DVD
> drive. Restart the M200. During the post screen, hit the F2 key to
> prevent the machine from booting from the hard drive. You will now be
> able to use the left and right arrow keys to choose your boot method.
> Select the CD icon (which looks like a single disk).
>
> Allow the M200 to boot and log into the network. Insure that you have
> mapped a drive that allows you to see the folder you copied in step
> one. Change directories so that you can see the contents of the "Base"
> folder.
>
> Run the batch file you made in step two by typing "install.bat" and
> hitting Enter. This will launch your retail version of Ghost (copied
> in step three) using the password and variables passed from Toshiba's
> little Tghost utility. Follow normal Ghost procedures, allowing it to
> re-image your the Tablet PC's hard drive. Note that any old data will
> be lost.
>
> *Sixth Step*
>
> After imaging, the machine will reboot into Windows XP. You will need
> to perform the normal steps to set up a brand new Windows XP install
> (setting the Administrator password, naming the machine and setting
> the workgroup, etc.)
>
> Good Luck!
>
> -= Nat

The Tablet PC Edition OS which you're claiming is needed doesn't exist,
root. It is Windows XP Pro, with the Tablet superset running on top, just
like Media Center Edition's superset.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
news:uQHtA3PeEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> The real problem is the lack of a standard XP Tablet PC Edition OS install
> CD. If that conspicuously missing CD were available then you wouldn't be
> suffering the bizarre contortions of doing an image restore type recovery
> process, which you have so eloquently shown is NOT robust and a major
> pain
> and is un-clean.
>
> An XP install CD just like anyone can go buy at the store for XP Pro on a
> desktop is what's needed.

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:u%23hLE$PeEHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> The Tablet PC Edition OS which you're claiming is needed doesn't exist,

Nice job of reading comprehension there. However it does exist for MSDN.
Now let's all work on getting it delivered with Tablet PCs.

> root. It is Windows XP Pro, with the Tablet superset running on top, just
> like Media Center Edition's superset.

Is that another OEM special without an OS install CD....OH GROAN!

> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
> news:uQHtA3PeEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > The real problem is the lack of a standard XP Tablet PC Edition OS
install
> > CD. If that conspicuously missing CD were available then you wouldn't
be
> > suffering the bizarre contortions of doing an image restore type
recovery
> > process, which you have so eloquently shown is NOT robust and a major
> > pain
> > and is un-clean.
> >
> > An XP install CD just like anyone can go buy at the store for XP Pro on
a
> > desktop is what's needed.
>
>

As I've said before, this is the OEM setup. It installs the full Windows XP
Pro operating system and Tablet PC Edition superset as the OEM prepares and
specifies for their hardware. It is the OEM choice of setup.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
news:u$5L5PQeEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:u%23hLE$PeEHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> The Tablet PC Edition OS which you're claiming is needed doesn't exist,
>
> Nice job of reading comprehension there. However it does exist for MSDN.
> Now let's all work on getting it delivered with Tablet PCs.
>
>> root. It is Windows XP Pro, with the Tablet superset running on top,
>> just
>> like Media Center Edition's superset.
>
> Is that another OEM special without an OS install CD....OH GROAN!
>
>> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
>> news:uQHtA3PeEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > The real problem is the lack of a standard XP Tablet PC Edition OS
> install
>> > CD. If that conspicuously missing CD were available then you wouldn't
> be
>> > suffering the bizarre contortions of doing an image restore type
> recovery
>> > process, which you have so eloquently shown is NOT robust and a major
>> > pain
>> > and is un-clean.
>> >
>> > An XP install CD just like anyone can go buy at the store for XP Pro on
> a
>> > desktop is what's needed.
>>
>>
>
>

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:%232y3YCReEHA.236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> As I've said before, this is the OEM setup.

And that was as irrelevant then as it is now.

> It installs the full Windows XP
> Pro operating system and Tablet PC Edition superset as the OEM prepares
and
> specifies for their hardware. It is the OEM choice of setup.

That's double talk. It is NOT a standard XP OS install process as is done
by the MSDN version of XP Tablet PC Edition. It is an image restore process
with all the foibles that the OP delineated. It apparently is NOT the OEM's
choice but an MS decision. A bad decision.

> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
> news:u$5L5PQeEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> > news:u%23hLE$PeEHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> The Tablet PC Edition OS which you're claiming is needed doesn't exist,
> >
> > Nice job of reading comprehension there. However it does exist for
MSDN.
> > Now let's all work on getting it delivered with Tablet PCs.
> >
> >> root. It is Windows XP Pro, with the Tablet superset running on top,
> >> just
> >> like Media Center Edition's superset.
> >
> > Is that another OEM special without an OS install CD....OH GROAN!
> >
> >> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
> >> news:uQHtA3PeEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> > The real problem is the lack of a standard XP Tablet PC Edition OS
> > install
> >> > CD. If that conspicuously missing CD were available then you
wouldn't
> > be
> >> > suffering the bizarre contortions of doing an image restore type
> > recovery
> >> > process, which you have so eloquently shown is NOT robust and a
major
> >> > pain
> >> > and is un-clean.
> >> >
> >> > An XP install CD just like anyone can go buy at the store for XP Pro
on
> > a
> >> > desktop is what's needed.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Sorry, root, but you are incorrect. You apparently still haven't read the
information at the URL I posted here a long time ago, which is why you're
singing the same song off-tune without an understanding of the process.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
news:OGBmmdReEHA.644@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:%232y3YCReEHA.236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> As I've said before, this is the OEM setup.
>
> And that was as irrelevant then as it is now.
>
>> It installs the full Windows XP
>> Pro operating system and Tablet PC Edition superset as the OEM prepares
> and
>> specifies for their hardware. It is the OEM choice of setup.
>
> That's double talk. It is NOT a standard XP OS install process as is done
> by the MSDN version of XP Tablet PC Edition. It is an image restore
> process
> with all the foibles that the OP delineated. It apparently is NOT the
> OEM's
> choice but an MS decision. A bad decision.
>
>> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
>> news:u$5L5PQeEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >
>> > "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>> > news:u%23hLE$PeEHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> >> The Tablet PC Edition OS which you're claiming is needed doesn't
>> >> exist,
>> >
>> > Nice job of reading comprehension there. However it does exist for
> MSDN.
>> > Now let's all work on getting it delivered with Tablet PCs.
>> >
>> >> root. It is Windows XP Pro, with the Tablet superset running on top,
>> >> just
>> >> like Media Center Edition's superset.
>> >
>> > Is that another OEM special without an OS install CD....OH GROAN!
>> >
>> >> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:uQHtA3PeEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> > The real problem is the lack of a standard XP Tablet PC Edition OS
>> > install
>> >> > CD. If that conspicuously missing CD were available then you
> wouldn't
>> > be
>> >> > suffering the bizarre contortions of doing an image restore type
>> > recovery
>> >> > process, which you have so eloquently shown is NOT robust and a
> major
>> >> > pain
>> >> > and is un-clean.
>> >> >
>> >> > An XP install CD just like anyone can go buy at the store for XP Pro
> on
>> > a
>> >> > desktop is what's needed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:eeC7DpReEHA.2440@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Sorry, root, but you are incorrect.

Wrong again as I've shown many times in the past on this same issue that you
keep trying to sell snake oil in regards to.

> You apparently still haven't read the
> information at the URL I posted here a long time ago, which is why you're
> singing the same song off-tune without an understanding of the process.

I did read it and you are/were wrong. It does NOT support your claims.

> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
> news:OGBmmdReEHA.644@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> > news:%232y3YCReEHA.236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> As I've said before, this is the OEM setup.
> >
> > And that was as irrelevant then as it is now.
> >
> >> It installs the full Windows XP
> >> Pro operating system and Tablet PC Edition superset as the OEM prepares
> > and
> >> specifies for their hardware. It is the OEM choice of setup.
> >
> > That's double talk. It is NOT a standard XP OS install process as is
done
> > by the MSDN version of XP Tablet PC Edition. It is an image restore
> > process
> > with all the foibles that the OP delineated. It apparently is NOT the
> > OEM's
> > choice but an MS decision. A bad decision.
> >
> >> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
> >> news:u$5L5PQeEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> >
> >> > "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:u%23hLE$PeEHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> >> The Tablet PC Edition OS which you're claiming is needed doesn't
> >> >> exist,
> >> >
> >> > Nice job of reading comprehension there. However it does exist for
> > MSDN.
> >> > Now let's all work on getting it delivered with Tablet PCs.
> >> >
> >> >> root. It is Windows XP Pro, with the Tablet superset running on
top,
> >> >> just
> >> >> like Media Center Edition's superset.
> >> >
> >> > Is that another OEM special without an OS install CD....OH GROAN!
> >> >
> >> >> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:uQHtA3PeEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > The real problem is the lack of a standard XP Tablet PC Edition OS
> >> > install
> >> >> > CD. If that conspicuously missing CD were available then you
> > wouldn't
> >> > be
> >> >> > suffering the bizarre contortions of doing an image restore type
> >> > recovery
> >> >> > process, which you have so eloquently shown is NOT robust and a
> > major
> >> >> > pain
> >> >> > and is un-clean.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An XP install CD just like anyone can go buy at the store for XP
Pro
> > on
> >> > a
> >> >> > desktop is what's needed.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

LOL! That's why you asked for me to quote to you a relevant section, huh?
You can't figure it out for yourself? Of course not. You probably didn't
read it, because if you had it would cut off your basis for continuing
useless posts. Thank you, and good night.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
news:u7CCCZSeEHA.2812@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:eeC7DpReEHA.2440@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Sorry, root, but you are incorrect.
>
> Wrong again as I've shown many times in the past on this same issue that
> you
> keep trying to sell snake oil in regards to.
>
>> You apparently still haven't read the
>> information at the URL I posted here a long time ago, which is why you're
>> singing the same song off-tune without an understanding of the process.
>
> I did read it and you are/were wrong. It does NOT support your claims.
>
>> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
>> news:OGBmmdReEHA.644@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >
>> > "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>> > news:%232y3YCReEHA.236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >> As I've said before, this is the OEM setup.
>> >
>> > And that was as irrelevant then as it is now.
>> >
>> >> It installs the full Windows XP
>> >> Pro operating system and Tablet PC Edition superset as the OEM
>> >> prepares
>> > and
>> >> specifies for their hardware. It is the OEM choice of setup.
>> >
>> > That's double talk. It is NOT a standard XP OS install process as is
> done
>> > by the MSDN version of XP Tablet PC Edition. It is an image restore
>> > process
>> > with all the foibles that the OP delineated. It apparently is NOT the
>> > OEM's
>> > choice but an MS decision. A bad decision.
>> >
>> >> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:u$5L5PQeEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:u%23hLE$PeEHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> The Tablet PC Edition OS which you're claiming is needed doesn't
>> >> >> exist,
>> >> >
>> >> > Nice job of reading comprehension there. However it does exist for
>> > MSDN.
>> >> > Now let's all work on getting it delivered with Tablet PCs.
>> >> >
>> >> >> root. It is Windows XP Pro, with the Tablet superset running on
> top,
>> >> >> just
>> >> >> like Media Center Edition's superset.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is that another OEM special without an OS install CD....OH GROAN!
>> >> >
>> >> >> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:uQHtA3PeEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > The real problem is the lack of a standard XP Tablet PC Edition
>> >> >> > OS
>> >> > install
>> >> >> > CD. If that conspicuously missing CD were available then you
>> > wouldn't
>> >> > be
>> >> >> > suffering the bizarre contortions of doing an image restore type
>> >> > recovery
>> >> >> > process, which you have so eloquently shown is NOT robust and a
>> > major
>> >> >> > pain
>> >> >> > and is un-clean.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > An XP install CD just like anyone can go buy at the store for XP
> Pro
>> > on
>> >> > a
>> >> >> > desktop is what's needed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message news:<#7SgHLMeEHA.724@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...
> Nat, first I seem to have had it simple:
> 1 - Targus DVD drive (PADVD010). Insert DVD, select Boot from CD option on

Yep... if you already have a truely bootable DVD drive (rather than
the semi bootable one which is included in the Docking station) you
wouldn't have the problems I experienced. I Think toshiba should
inform people when they purchase the docking station that the proper
driver to make the included DVD accesible in 16 bit mode is
unavailible. Further, I think that the Recoveryu DVD should test for
the accesibility of it's entire contents before it begins the recovery
process.


> So now, my question is what is causing this "so screwed up as to be
> unbootable" situation?

Funny you should ask :)

After much troubleshooting of wireless network issues completely
unrelated to the system recovery problems detailed above, I had
installed many beta driver updates and messed with many configuration
options. After such messing about, I decided to start fresh. I booted
from the supplied DVD to invoke the recovery utility... which executed
well enough to format the hard drive, but NOT well enough to lay down
the new image. In other words, with our current configuration (docking
station DVD), the bootable Recovery utility is essentially a booby
trap.

If I had instead booted into windows, and used the recovery DVD from
32 Bit mode, all might have been well. But I can imagine many
situations where the contents of the hard drive become so corrupt as
to make booting from the Hard drive impossible... that's the whole
reason for a bootable recovery utility!

-= Nat

"root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message news:<uQHtA3PeEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...
> The real problem is the lack of a standard XP Tablet PC Edition OS install
> CD. If that conspicuously missing CD were available then you wouldn't be
> suffering the bizarre contortions of doing an image restore type recovery
> process, which you have so eloquently shown is NOT robust and a major pain
> and is un-clean.

Well, in my case, even if I had a traditional Tablet XP installation
CD, I would not have been able to use it.

Remember, that with this configuration, I am able to boot from CD's
which happen to use a win98 DOS or Free Dos image in floppy emulation
mode. I was NOT able to boot from a standard Win2k or Winxp OS CD.

-= Nat

8-) I agree, Nat. I change drivers a LOT here in various beta tests, and
have found the Windows XP feature of "Roll Back Driver" to be essential when
something goes wrong. I also use Acronis True Image to maintain (on my X:
storage drive) a couple variations of the "pure" system. Acronis allows you
to hit F11 on boot before you get into the XP loading, and easily replace a
messed up partition with a saved image in just minutes.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Nat Kimble" <nkimble@ufl.edu> wrote in message
news:857eeb1d.0408030728.1b0f00b1@posting.google.c om...
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:<#7SgHLMeEHA.724@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...
>> Nat, first I seem to have had it simple:
>> 1 - Targus DVD drive (PADVD010). Insert DVD, select Boot from CD option
>> on
>
> Yep... if you already have a truely bootable DVD drive (rather than
> the semi bootable one which is included in the Docking station) you
> wouldn't have the problems I experienced. I Think toshiba should
> inform people when they purchase the docking station that the proper
> driver to make the included DVD accesible in 16 bit mode is
> unavailible. Further, I think that the Recoveryu DVD should test for
> the accesibility of it's entire contents before it begins the recovery