One of the great things about the Tablet PC is the ability to "print"
documents to the Journal Notes Writer so that they can be annotated with the
pen interface and then searched electronically rather than working with
paper files etc. I have noticed that the text of the Journal Notes are
nicely searchable when the source documents came from Web pages, MS Office
docs etc - - all it seems except when documents came from PDF files. My
annotations can be searched ok, but not the text of the source PDF document.
That is really too bad, especially since the direct PDF interface itself
does not permit the use of ink as you can with Office 2003 docs. Does
anyone have a solution for this?

I guess that would depend on whether or not Adobe is sending its print
output as a bitmap image or as text. It sounds like it's sending out an
image of the document.

If you have Office 2003, try printing to the Microsoft Office Document
Imaging. It's not nearly as full featured as journal for marking up, but it
has built in OCR (optical character recognition I think) which can turn even
images of text into usable text. It can also be marked up on a Tablet PC
using the pen tool. The ink is nice and smooth but there's no eraser tool.
:) To erase, you have to right click the ink stroke and delete it.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
news:ux1ayAbdEHA.3528@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> One of the great things about the Tablet PC is the ability to "print"
> documents to the Journal Notes Writer so that they can be annotated with
> the
> pen interface and then searched electronically rather than working with
> paper files etc. I have noticed that the text of the Journal Notes are
> nicely searchable when the source documents came from Web pages, MS Office
> docs etc - - all it seems except when documents came from PDF files. My
> annotations can be searched ok, but not the text of the source PDF
> document.
> That is really too bad, especially since the direct PDF interface itself
> does not permit the use of ink as you can with Office 2003 docs. Does
> anyone have a solution for this?
>
>

Gerry, when you "print" a PDF file to Windows Journal, it is printing as a
graphic, not individual text with pictures as separate objects as you've
correctly noted from web page, Office, etc. It is really the format Adobe
uses, I believe, and the same results come up with OneNote, GoBinder, etc.
What you can do with the PDF open is to use "Save as Text" on the File menu.
You won't have the graphics involved, but you can open and insert the text
information in all three programs above, making the information available
for Search.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
news:ux1ayAbdEHA.3528@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> One of the great things about the Tablet PC is the ability to "print"
> documents to the Journal Notes Writer so that they can be annotated with
> the
> pen interface and then searched electronically rather than working with
> paper files etc. I have noticed that the text of the Journal Notes are
> nicely searchable when the source documents came from Web pages, MS Office
> docs etc - - all it seems except when documents came from PDF files. My
> annotations can be searched ok, but not the text of the source PDF
> document.
> That is really too bad, especially since the direct PDF interface itself
> does not permit the use of ink as you can with Office 2003 docs. Does
> anyone have a solution for this?
>
>

Thanks Josh,

Anyone know if there is a way to get Adobe Acrobat to output to text when
"printing" to Journal Notes so JN can search the text? Its frustrating
because JN is able to index every other type of document that I have tried.

I just noticed that the Microsoft Office Document Imaging driver is no
longer on my machine. I updated to SP1 of OneNote and SP1 of Office 2003 a
few days ago, so wonder if that took it out? Does anybody know how to
re-install MDI?


"Josh Einstein" <josheinstein********.com> wrote in message
news:e3nk21bdEHA.4092@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I guess that would depend on whether or not Adobe is sending its print
> output as a bitmap image or as text. It sounds like it's sending out an
> image of the document.
>
> If you have Office 2003, try printing to the Microsoft Office Document
> Imaging. It's not nearly as full featured as journal for marking up, but
it
> has built in OCR (optical character recognition I think) which can turn
even
> images of text into usable text. It can also be marked up on a Tablet PC
> using the pen tool. The ink is nice and smooth but there's no eraser tool.
> :) To erase, you have to right click the ink stroke and delete it.
>
> --
> Josh Einstein
> Einstein Technologies
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
> http://www.einsteinware.com
>
> "Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
> news:ux1ayAbdEHA.3528@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > One of the great things about the Tablet PC is the ability to "print"
> > documents to the Journal Notes Writer so that they can be annotated with
> > the
> > pen interface and then searched electronically rather than working with
> > paper files etc. I have noticed that the text of the Journal Notes are
> > nicely searchable when the source documents came from Web pages, MS
Office
> > docs etc - - all it seems except when documents came from PDF files. My
> > annotations can be searched ok, but not the text of the source PDF
> > document.
> > That is really too bad, especially since the direct PDF interface itself
> > does not permit the use of ink as you can with Office 2003 docs. Does
> > anyone have a solution for this?
> >
> >
>
>

Gerry, take a look at my post, about nine minutes before you posted this
one.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
news:ugV39hhdEHA.1656@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Josh,
>
> Anyone know if there is a way to get Adobe Acrobat to output to text when
> "printing" to Journal Notes so JN can search the text? Its frustrating
> because JN is able to index every other type of document that I have
> tried.
>
> I just noticed that the Microsoft Office Document Imaging driver is no
> longer on my machine. I updated to SP1 of OneNote and SP1 of Office 2003
> a
> few days ago, so wonder if that took it out? Does anybody know how to
> re-install MDI?
>

Thanks, but its really too bad. Saving as text without the graphics is
normally not satisfactory. I would hope that either the next version of
Journal Notes will address this, or that Adobe Acroba Reader comes up with a
new version that supports pen annotation.

The other option I want to explore is the possibility of printing to the
Microsoft Office Document Imaging driver. As noted in my previous posting,
this is now gone from my Tablet and am asking if anybody knows how to
reinstall this. Anybody know?


"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:e%236dlkhdEHA.1656@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Gerry, take a look at my post, about nine minutes before you posted this
> one.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
> news:ugV39hhdEHA.1656@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks Josh,
> >
> > Anyone know if there is a way to get Adobe Acrobat to output to text
when
> > "printing" to Journal Notes so JN can search the text? Its frustrating
> > because JN is able to index every other type of document that I have
> > tried.
> >
> > I just noticed that the Microsoft Office Document Imaging driver is no
> > longer on my machine. I updated to SP1 of OneNote and SP1 of Office
2003
> > a
> > few days ago, so wonder if that took it out? Does anybody know how to
> > re-install MDI?
> >
>
>

Gerry, it is Adobe. They really haven't lifted a pen toward changing their
products for Tablet PC usage. Believe me, if Microsoft "fixed" the issues
(remember Agilix with their GoBinder have the same "problem") then Adobe
would be all over them. 8-)
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
news:eRshLekdEHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Thanks, but its really too bad. Saving as text without the graphics is
> normally not satisfactory. I would hope that either the next version of
> Journal Notes will address this, or that Adobe Acroba Reader comes up with
> a
> new version that supports pen annotation.
>
> The other option I want to explore is the possibility of printing to the
> Microsoft Office Document Imaging driver. As noted in my previous
> posting,
> this is now gone from my Tablet and am asking if anybody knows how to
> reinstall this. Anybody know?
>
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:e%236dlkhdEHA.1656@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Gerry, take a look at my post, about nine minutes before you posted this
>> one.
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>
>> "Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
>> news:ugV39hhdEHA.1656@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> > Thanks Josh,
>> >
>> > Anyone know if there is a way to get Adobe Acrobat to output to text
> when
>> > "printing" to Journal Notes so JN can search the text? Its frustrating
>> > because JN is able to index every other type of document that I have
>> > tried.
>> >
>> > I just noticed that the Microsoft Office Document Imaging driver is no
>> > longer on my machine. I updated to SP1 of OneNote and SP1 of Office
> 2003
>> > a
>> > few days ago, so wonder if that took it out? Does anybody know how to
>> > re-install MDI?
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Yeah Journal isn't the problem. I'm not 100% positive on the image vs text
print output but I'm pretty sure Adobe would have to correct that.

In Add/Remove programs, change the office installation to add new features.
Make sure that Office Document Imaging is installed. I think that's what
it's called. Sorry I can't be more specific but I always just do a "Full"
Office install so it's always there.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
news:eRshLekdEHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Thanks, but its really too bad. Saving as text without the graphics is
> normally not satisfactory. I would hope that either the next version of
> Journal Notes will address this, or that Adobe Acroba Reader comes up with
> a
> new version that supports pen annotation.
>
> The other option I want to explore is the possibility of printing to the
> Microsoft Office Document Imaging driver. As noted in my previous
> posting,
> this is now gone from my Tablet and am asking if anybody knows how to
> reinstall this. Anybody know?
>
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:e%236dlkhdEHA.1656@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Gerry, take a look at my post, about nine minutes before you posted this
>> one.
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>
>> "Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
>> news:ugV39hhdEHA.1656@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> > Thanks Josh,
>> >
>> > Anyone know if there is a way to get Adobe Acrobat to output to text
> when
>> > "printing" to Journal Notes so JN can search the text? Its frustrating
>> > because JN is able to index every other type of document that I have
>> > tried.
>> >
>> > I just noticed that the Microsoft Office Document Imaging driver is no
>> > longer on my machine. I updated to SP1 of OneNote and SP1 of Office
> 2003
>> > a
>> > few days ago, so wonder if that took it out? Does anybody know how to
>> > re-install MDI?
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

I guess I have to mention here that Agilix GoBinder and FranklinCovey
PlanPlus handle searching PDF files just fine. I am not surprised that
Journal does not search it, it is somewhat difficult to extract the text. We
did spent considerable time however making sure this feature works in
GoBinder. So if you want searchable PDF download a 30 day trial of GoBinder
at www.GoBinder.com.

Bernd Helzer
Agilix Inc.

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:e%23bbOdhdEHA.3988@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Gerry, when you "print" a PDF file to Windows Journal, it is printing as a
> graphic, not individual text with pictures as separate objects as you've
> correctly noted from web page, Office, etc. It is really the format Adobe
> uses, I believe, and the same results come up with OneNote, GoBinder, etc.
> What you can do with the PDF open is to use "Save as Text" on the File
menu.
> You won't have the graphics involved, but you can open and insert the text
> information in all three programs above, making the information available
> for Search.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
> news:ux1ayAbdEHA.3528@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > One of the great things about the Tablet PC is the ability to "print"
> > documents to the Journal Notes Writer so that they can be annotated with
> > the
> > pen interface and then searched electronically rather than working with
> > paper files etc. I have noticed that the text of the Journal Notes are
> > nicely searchable when the source documents came from Web pages, MS
Office
> > docs etc - - all it seems except when documents came from PDF files. My
> > annotations can be searched ok, but not the text of the source PDF
> > document.
> > That is really too bad, especially since the direct PDF interface itself
> > does not permit the use of ink as you can with Office 2003 docs. Does
> > anyone have a solution for this?
> >
> >
>
>

"Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
news:eRshLekdEHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Thanks, but its really too bad. Saving as text without the graphics is
> normally not satisfactory. I would hope that either the next version of
> Journal Notes will address this, or that Adobe Acroba Reader comes up with
> a
> new version that supports pen annotation.

Adobe and Adobe alone can address how they output to a printing device.

Unless I'm mistaken though, Acrobat will output text if that is the way the
PDF was encoded. Some folks assemble their PDFs from scanned images of
documents, so the PDF only contains pictures.

That's probably true. I didn't think of it that way. In that case, OCR would
be the only way to recognize the text.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Mike Williams [MVP]" <mikew@Nospam]mvps.org> wrote in message
news:O9SGbuodEHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>

> Unless I'm mistaken though, Acrobat will output text if that is the way
> the PDF was encoded. Some folks assemble their PDFs from scanned images of
> documents, so the PDF only contains pictures.
>

Acrobat, even the free Adobe Reader version, will "output" text with
File/Save As Text, however, most times it is up to the user to realign
everything. After the text file is created, you need to set up sentence and
paragraph structure again.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Mike Williams [MVP]" <mikew@Nospam]mvps.org> wrote in message
news:O9SGbuodEHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> "Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
> news:eRshLekdEHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks, but its really too bad. Saving as text without the graphics is
>> normally not satisfactory. I would hope that either the next version of
>> Journal Notes will address this, or that Adobe Acroba Reader comes up
>> with a
>> new version that supports pen annotation.
>
> Adobe and Adobe alone can address how they output to a printing device.
>
> Unless I'm mistaken though, Acrobat will output text if that is the way
> the PDF was encoded. Some folks assemble their PDFs from scanned images of
> documents, so the PDF only contains pictures.
>

I found that a new program written for tablet PC ONLY is a GREAT replacement
for the Windows Journal and makes PDF, handwriting or anything completely
searchable. Download a trial copy of GoBinder at
http://www.gobinder.com/index.aspx I has fantastic calendaring (outlook
compatible), contact and much much more. Any of your searching problems will
simply go away.

"Bernd Helzer" <bhelzer@byu.net> wrote in message
news:en4vF5mdEHA.644@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I guess I have to mention here that Agilix GoBinder and FranklinCovey
> PlanPlus handle searching PDF files just fine. I am not surprised that
> Journal does not search it, it is somewhat difficult to extract the text.
> We
> did spent considerable time however making sure this feature works in
> GoBinder. So if you want searchable PDF download a 30 day trial of
> GoBinder
> at www.GoBinder.com.
>
> Bernd Helzer
> Agilix Inc.
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:e%23bbOdhdEHA.3988@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Gerry, when you "print" a PDF file to Windows Journal, it is printing as
>> a
>> graphic, not individual text with pictures as separate objects as you've
>> correctly noted from web page, Office, etc. It is really the format
>> Adobe
>> uses, I believe, and the same results come up with OneNote, GoBinder,
>> etc.
>> What you can do with the PDF open is to use "Save as Text" on the File
> menu.
>> You won't have the graphics involved, but you can open and insert the
>> text
>> information in all three programs above, making the information available
>> for Search.
>> --
>> Chris H.
>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>> Associate Expert
>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>
>>
>> "Gerry" <gerryleger@canada.com> wrote in message
>> news:ux1ayAbdEHA.3528@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> > One of the great things about the Tablet PC is the ability to "print"
>> > documents to the Journal Notes Writer so that they can be annotated
>> > with
>> > the
>> > pen interface and then searched electronically rather than working with
>> > paper files etc. I have noticed that the text of the Journal Notes are
>> > nicely searchable when the source documents came from Web pages, MS
> Office
>> > docs etc - - all it seems except when documents came from PDF files. My
>> > annotations can be searched ok, but not the text of the source PDF
>> > document.
>> > That is really too bad, especially since the direct PDF interface
>> > itself
>> > does not permit the use of ink as you can with Office 2003 docs. Does
>> > anyone have a solution for this?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>