"Michael Gerbasio" <mwgerbasio********.com> wrote in message
news:uUZZVIrZEHA.2488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > The more recent "redo" CD/DVDs I've seen ask if you wish to repair,
> > reinstall or completely wipe the hard drive back to factory specs. Nice
> to
> > be able to have multiple partitions, and only format the C: drive itself
> > leaving everything else alone.
>
> No such luck with my X31 which I just needed to reload since I've upgraded
> the harddrive. IBM now has a rapid restore program that can be downloaded
> which I believe does save the partitions. It isn't restore to factory
> settings, it is a drive image so you have to do a backup prior to the
> restore (using the latest version-won't work with older versions).
>
> I'm not sure who is at fault, MS or the hardware vendors, but it really
> sucks when you don't get the full install disks. Very user unfriendly.

It's MS!

I see a trend here:

My computer's fan stopped working:
Root: It's MS!

My Wife left me:
Root: It's MS!

My dog ran away:
Root: It's MS!

Grumpy Troll
(spent all weekend painting the house)


>-----Original Message-----
>
>"Michael Gerbasio" <mwgerbasio********.com> wrote in
message
>news:uUZZVIrZEHA.2488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > The more recent "redo" CD/DVDs I've seen ask if you
wish to repair,
>> > reinstall or completely wipe the hard drive back to
factory specs. Nice
>> to
>> > be able to have multiple partitions, and only format
the C: drive itself
>> > leaving everything else alone.
>>
>> No such luck with my X31 which I just needed to reload
since I've upgraded
>> the harddrive. IBM now has a rapid restore program
that can be downloaded
>> which I believe does save the partitions. It isn't
restore to factory
>> settings, it is a drive image so you have to do a
backup prior to the
>> restore (using the latest version-won't work with older
versions).
>>
>> I'm not sure who is at fault, MS or the hardware
vendors, but it really
>> sucks when you don't get the full install disks. Very
user unfriendly.
>
>It's MS!
>
>
>.
>

LOL - I'd rather be painting. I'm still scraping and sanding.
--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
http://thetabletpc.net
Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp


"Grumpy Troll" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2ad1501c46848$c3454f90$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>I see a trend here:
>
> My computer's fan stopped working:
> Root: It's MS!
>
> My Wife left me:
> Root: It's MS!
>
> My dog ran away:
> Root: It's MS!
>
> Grumpy Troll
> (spent all weekend painting the house)
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>"Michael Gerbasio" <mwgerbasio********.com> wrote in
> message
>>news:uUZZVIrZEHA.2488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> > The more recent "redo" CD/DVDs I've seen ask if you
> wish to repair,
>>> > reinstall or completely wipe the hard drive back to
> factory specs. Nice
>>> to
>>> > be able to have multiple partitions, and only format
> the C: drive itself
>>> > leaving everything else alone.
>>>
>>> No such luck with my X31 which I just needed to reload
> since I've upgraded
>>> the harddrive. IBM now has a rapid restore program
> that can be downloaded
>>> which I believe does save the partitions. It isn't
> restore to factory
>>> settings, it is a drive image so you have to do a
> backup prior to the
>>> restore (using the latest version-won't work with older
> versions).
>>>
>>> I'm not sure who is at fault, MS or the hardware
> vendors, but it really
>>> sucks when you don't get the full install disks. Very
> user unfriendly.
>>
>>It's MS!
>>
>>
>>.
>>

MS Wall SP2 will fix that. It requires no scraping or sanding.

See, it's always MS' fault. :-)

Charlie

"terri" <support@thetabletpc.net> wrote in message
news:uhsIjoEaEHA.2408@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> LOL - I'd rather be painting. I'm still scraping and sanding.
> --
> Terri Stratton
> Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
> http://thetabletpc.net
> Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp
>
>
> "Grumpy Troll" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2ad1501c46848$c3454f90$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>>I see a trend here:
>>
>> My computer's fan stopped working:
>> Root: It's MS!
>>
>> My Wife left me:
>> Root: It's MS!
>>
>> My dog ran away:
>> Root: It's MS!
>>
>> Grumpy Troll
>> (spent all weekend painting the house)
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>"Michael Gerbasio" <mwgerbasio********.com> wrote in
>> message
>>>news:uUZZVIrZEHA.2488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> > The more recent "redo" CD/DVDs I've seen ask if you
>> wish to repair,
>>>> > reinstall or completely wipe the hard drive back to
>> factory specs. Nice
>>>> to
>>>> > be able to have multiple partitions, and only format
>> the C: drive itself
>>>> > leaving everything else alone.
>>>>
>>>> No such luck with my X31 which I just needed to reload
>> since I've upgraded
>>>> the harddrive. IBM now has a rapid restore program
>> that can be downloaded
>>>> which I believe does save the partitions. It isn't
>> restore to factory
>>>> settings, it is a drive image so you have to do a
>> backup prior to the
>>>> restore (using the latest version-won't work with older
>> versions).
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure who is at fault, MS or the hardware
>> vendors, but it really
>>>> sucks when you don't get the full install disks. Very
>> user unfriendly.
>>>
>>>It's MS!
>>>
>>>
>>>.
>>>
>

LOL - and it's not available when I need it. :)

--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
http://thetabletpc.net
Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp


"Charlie Cassidy" <cfcassidy******.com> wrote in message
news:10f5rpfebp9qd48@corp.supernews.com...
> MS Wall SP2 will fix that. It requires no scraping or sanding.
>
> See, it's always MS' fault. :-)
>
> Charlie

Provide a reason other than MS policies that no OEM provides a bootable full
XP Tablet PC Edition install CD! That CD is invaluable to the experienced
in debugging various kinds of issues. Removing that tool from MS's cadre of
experts and professionals that don't have MSDN HURTS the product and causes
fixes and analysis of problems to be much less robust and timely. MS is
shooting itself in the foot.

The Toshiba 3500 then M200 problem that is in recent threads has been
outstanding for over a year. Toshiba has NOT addressed it. I would have
given it some effort IF I had a clean install CD. The lack of that clean
install CD causes a shrug and walk away and that rubs off on the product
overall.

I guess you've failed to see the posts relating even installing the XP Pro
operating system clean, followed by the Tablet PC Edition superset, using an
MSDN subscription, doesn't resolve the issue. I would suggest you avail
yourself of the information here:
http://www.microsoft.com/oem/registration.mspx
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
news:O50z5RFaEHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Provide a reason other than MS policies that no OEM provides a bootable
> full
> XP Tablet PC Edition install CD! That CD is invaluable to the experienced
> in debugging various kinds of issues. Removing that tool from MS's cadre
> of
> experts and professionals that don't have MSDN HURTS the product and
> causes
> fixes and analysis of problems to be much less robust and timely. MS is
> shooting itself in the foot.
>
> The Toshiba 3500 then M200 problem that is in recent threads has been
> outstanding for over a year. Toshiba has NOT addressed it. I would have
> given it some effort IF I had a clean install CD. The lack of that clean
> install CD causes a shrug and walk away and that rubs off on the product
> overall.
>
>

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:OiVoHjFaEHA.1840@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I guess you've failed to see the posts relating even installing the XP Pro
> operating system clean, followed by the Tablet PC Edition superset, using
an
> MSDN subscription, doesn't resolve the issue.

I saw that post but I wished I'd seen ten from folks doing various
experiments etc.

> I would suggest you avail
> yourself of the information here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/oem/registration.mspx

Very nice but now tell us exactly what there relates to this issue.

> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
> news:O50z5RFaEHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Provide a reason other than MS policies that no OEM provides a bootable
> > full
> > XP Tablet PC Edition install CD! That CD is invaluable to the
experienced
> > in debugging various kinds of issues. Removing that tool from MS's
cadre
> > of
> > experts and professionals that don't have MSDN HURTS the product and
> > causes
> > fixes and analysis of problems to be much less robust and timely. MS is
> > shooting itself in the foot.
> >
> > The Toshiba 3500 then M200 problem that is in recent threads has been
> > outstanding for over a year. Toshiba has NOT addressed it. I would
have
> > given it some effort IF I had a clean install CD. The lack of that
clean
> > install CD causes a shrug and walk away and that rubs off on the product
> > overall.
> >
> >
>
>

It has the OEM agreement information on it. Haven't you read that?
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
news:ewjlp1FaEHA.712@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:OiVoHjFaEHA.1840@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> I guess you've failed to see the posts relating even installing the XP
>> Pro
>> operating system clean, followed by the Tablet PC Edition superset, using
> an
>> MSDN subscription, doesn't resolve the issue.
>
> I saw that post but I wished I'd seen ten from folks doing various
> experiments etc.
>
>> I would suggest you avail
>> yourself of the information here:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/oem/registration.mspx
>
> Very nice but now tell us exactly what there relates to this issue.
>
>> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
>> news:O50z5RFaEHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> > Provide a reason other than MS policies that no OEM provides a bootable
>> > full
>> > XP Tablet PC Edition install CD! That CD is invaluable to the
> experienced
>> > in debugging various kinds of issues. Removing that tool from MS's
> cadre
>> > of
>> > experts and professionals that don't have MSDN HURTS the product and
>> > causes
>> > fixes and analysis of problems to be much less robust and timely. MS
>> > is
>> > shooting itself in the foot.
>> >
>> > The Toshiba 3500 then M200 problem that is in recent threads has been
>> > outstanding for over a year. Toshiba has NOT addressed it. I would
> have
>> > given it some effort IF I had a clean install CD. The lack of that
> clean
>> > install CD causes a shrug and walk away and that rubs off on the
>> > product
>> > overall.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:%23akEM5FaEHA.556@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> It has the OEM agreement information on it. Haven't you read that?

Rather than playin games with us, please include a modest quote that you
think is relevant.

> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
> news:ewjlp1FaEHA.712@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> > news:OiVoHjFaEHA.1840@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> I guess you've failed to see the posts relating even installing the XP
> >> Pro
> >> operating system clean, followed by the Tablet PC Edition superset,
using
> > an
> >> MSDN subscription, doesn't resolve the issue.
> >
> > I saw that post but I wished I'd seen ten from folks doing various
> > experiments etc.
> >
> >> I would suggest you avail
> >> yourself of the information here:
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/oem/registration.mspx
> >
> > Very nice but now tell us exactly what there relates to this issue.
> >
> >> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
> >> news:O50z5RFaEHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> > Provide a reason other than MS policies that no OEM provides a
bootable
> >> > full
> >> > XP Tablet PC Edition install CD! That CD is invaluable to the
> > experienced
> >> > in debugging various kinds of issues. Removing that tool from MS's
> > cadre
> >> > of
> >> > experts and professionals that don't have MSDN HURTS the product and
> >> > causes
> >> > fixes and analysis of problems to be much less robust and timely. MS
> >> > is
> >> > shooting itself in the foot.
> >> >
> >> > The Toshiba 3500 then M200 problem that is in recent threads has been
> >> > outstanding for over a year. Toshiba has NOT addressed it. I would
> > have
> >> > given it some effort IF I had a clean install CD. The lack of that
> > clean
> >> > install CD causes a shrug and walk away and that rubs off on the
> >> > product
> >> > overall.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

If you don't know what is relative, you have just confirmed you have no
substantive facts on which you base your continual allegations. Thank you.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
news:uay%23a9FaEHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> Rather than playin games with us, please include a modest quote that you
> think is relevant.
>

"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:uINJufGaEHA.212@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> If you don't know what is relative, you have just confirmed you have no
> substantive facts on which you base your continual allegations.

I knew you'd expose yourself eventually.

> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
> news:uay%23a9FaEHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >
> > Rather than playin games with us, please include a modest quote that
you
> > think is relevant.
> >
>
>

No, you have. No facts on which to base you allegations. Thank you for the
illuminating theories.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
news:%23mv53lGaEHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
> news:uINJufGaEHA.212@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> If you don't know what is relative, you have just confirmed you have no
>> substantive facts on which you base your continual allegations.
>
> I knew you'd expose yourself eventually.
>
>> "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
>> news:uay%23a9FaEHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >
>> > Rather than playin games with us, please include a modest quote that
> you
>> > think is relevant.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

trytrytrytryt
Chris H. <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
news:#LiPcscZEHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Reminds me of the mid-1980s when the company I worked for received new
> desktop computers. Headquarters had gotten a "deal" on them, but then
spent
> hundreds of dollars for all the floppies needed to "save" the entire
install
> so we had something to restore if it went bad. I believe we needed to
make
> something like 128 floppies for each computer. Even the individual
program
> floppies weren't sent. The company never bought that brand again. 8-)
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "JDTHREE [MVP]" <john@removeforspam.engagenet.com> wrote in message
> news:0mdte0htq6ftdm2edqd8mmr4bb6vsiv7r3@4ax.com...
> > Today one of my employees got his new laptop - a Sony Vaio.
> >
> > Imagine my surprise when not only didn't it come with a disc for XP
> > Pro (expected that) but it didn't even come with a recovery disc! And
> > it's not an "imaged" one that you run from the drive...
> >
> > When you boot it up, the first thing it tells you is that you have to
> > create your rescue disc. It informs you that you need 10 (yes, TEN)
> > CD's and each will take approximately 15 minutes to create.
> >
> > So up to 2.5 hours you have to spend making your own recovery discs
> > when you get your new laptop...
> >
> > What an insult.
> >
> > John
> >
>
>

From what I've read, Microsoft, although really poor-thinking in making
its decision to ban the distribution of Windows CDs with new PCs, does
permit manufacturers to distribute recovery CDs with their products.
It's obviously less nice than having the original Windows CD, but the
least Sony could do is distribute its recovery CDs. I just got a new
VAIO desktop, and the CD creation wizard absolutely did not work for
me, refusing to create a DVD and yet not giving any kind of error
message, and getting halfway through making the CDs to do the same
thing again. I spent well over an hour talking to tech support, which
sent me back and forth between people, first from a call center in
Pakistan[?] back to here, and requiring me to turn off all my services,
startup items, etc. to "troubleshoot". From what I've read, a lot of
people have had this problem, so I'd guess this troubleshooting and
lack of acknowledgement that their included recovery software is awful
and buggy is simply a means to piss off some people and make them give
up. When I finally got through it all, yesterday morning, they sent
off some recovery DVDs, which arrived today. So it seems they
definitely have the infrastructure for sending complimentary recovery
CDs, they're just very good at not giving them out.

root wrote:
> *I couldn't agree more and this is NOT a Sony nor OEM issue.
>
> This is a MICROSOFT issue.
>
> "JDTHREE [MVP]" <john@removeforspam.engagenet.com> wrote in message
> news:0mdte0htq6ftdm2edqd8mmr4bb6vsiv7r3@4ax.com...
> > Today one of my employees got his new laptop - a Sony Vaio.
> >
> > Imagine my surprise when not only didn't it come with a disc for
> XP
> > Pro (expected that) but it didn't even come with a recovery disc!
> And
> > it's not an "imaged" one that you run from the drive...
> >
> > When you boot it up, the first thing it tells you is that you have
> to
> > create your rescue disc. It informs you that you need 10 (yes,
> TEN)
> > CD's and each will take approximately 15 minutes to create.
> >
> > So up to 2.5 hours you have to spend making your own recovery
> discs
> > when you get your new laptop...
> >
> > What an insult.
> >
> > John
> > *



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