i just hope someone can help me with this **** issue.

i just previously had a dualboot setup between Windows XP tablet PC edition
2005 and Windows Vista business edition.

the thing was that i got sick of vista so i decided to get rid of it. i
thoght i removed the boot manager first with vistabootpro v3.3. but it seems
that the removal of the vistaloader failed.

i used vistabootpro to remove the vista bootloader in the past from when i
did beta testing. when i beta tested vista i was doing it in a dual oot
situation and that application vistaboot pro got rid of the vista
bootloader.

now i seem to be stuck with the vistaboot loader. does anyone have any ideas
of how to get rid of it without reinstalling windows?

"Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:%23%23NTS$tLIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> i just hope someone can help me with this **** issue.
>
> i just previously had a dualboot setup between Windows XP tablet PC
edition
> 2005 and Windows Vista business edition.
>
> the thing was that i got sick of vista so i decided to get rid of it. i
> thoght i removed the boot manager first with vistabootpro v3.3. but it
seems
> that the removal of the vistaloader failed.
>
> i used vistabootpro to remove the vista bootloader in the past from when i
> did beta testing. when i beta tested vista i was doing it in a dual oot
> situation and that application vistaboot pro got rid of the vista
> bootloader.
>
> now i seem to be stuck with the vistaboot loader. does anyone have any
ideas
> of how to get rid of it without reinstalling windows?
>
>


Did you try booting from your XP cd and from the repair console issuing the
command : fixboot

no, but knowing microsoft software it may not work..lol

anyways...thanks for the idea, but i already got rid of the vista boot
manager.

even though that i fixed the issue, i am just wondering if anyone can send
me other seggestions on how to fix it for if it happens again...better than
that one the other guy sent me and possibly some to avoid that issue in the
future.

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:F_GdnWdbTLAsCtXanZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@athenet.net. ..
>
> "Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:%23%23NTS$tLIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> i just hope someone can help me with this **** issue.
>>
>> i just previously had a dualboot setup between Windows XP tablet PC
> edition
>> 2005 and Windows Vista business edition.
>>
>> the thing was that i got sick of vista so i decided to get rid of it. i
>> thoght i removed the boot manager first with vistabootpro v3.3. but it
> seems
>> that the removal of the vistaloader failed.
>>
>> i used vistabootpro to remove the vista bootloader in the past from when
>> i
>> did beta testing. when i beta tested vista i was doing it in a dual oot
>> situation and that application vistaboot pro got rid of the vista
>> bootloader.
>>
>> now i seem to be stuck with the vistaboot loader. does anyone have any
> ideas
>> of how to get rid of it without reinstalling windows?
>>
>>
>
>
> Did you try booting from your XP cd and from the repair console issuing
> the
> command : fixboot
>
>

How to avoid it in the future? Well for starters, don't dual boot. With
virtualization where it is today, it's rarely necessary. Pick a version of
the OS and stick with it and if you need an older one for compatibility
reasons, keep it in a virtual machine. If you don't understand master boot
records and how various OS's tend to step on each others toes then you'll
get into situations like this.

And if you do run into the problem again, you might get more help if you
don't come to a Microsoft community newsgroup with an attitude like "knowing
Microsoft software it may not work..." when you were the one who tinkered
the system into its current state.

--
Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
Einstein Technologies
Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com

"Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:%23kB1yKyLIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> no, but knowing microsoft software it may not work..lol
>
> anyways...thanks for the idea, but i already got rid of the vista boot
> manager.
>
> even though that i fixed the issue, i am just wondering if anyone can send
> me other seggestions on how to fix it for if it happens again...better
> than that one the other guy sent me and possibly some to avoid that issue
> in the future.
>
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:F_GdnWdbTLAsCtXanZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@athenet.net. ..
>>
>> "Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23%23NTS$tLIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> i just hope someone can help me with this **** issue.
>>>
>>> i just previously had a dualboot setup between Windows XP tablet PC
>> edition
>>> 2005 and Windows Vista business edition.
>>>
>>> the thing was that i got sick of vista so i decided to get rid of it. i
>>> thoght i removed the boot manager first with vistabootpro v3.3. but it
>> seems
>>> that the removal of the vistaloader failed.
>>>
>>> i used vistabootpro to remove the vista bootloader in the past from when
>>> i
>>> did beta testing. when i beta tested vista i was doing it in a dual oot
>>> situation and that application vistaboot pro got rid of the vista
>>> bootloader.
>>>
>>> now i seem to be stuck with the vistaboot loader. does anyone have any
>> ideas
>>> of how to get rid of it without reinstalling windows?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Did you try booting from your XP cd and from the repair console issuing
>> the
>> command : fixboot
>>
>>
>
>

"Josh Einstein" <josh@einsteintech.net> wrote in message news:11DEA2DD-535F-48E8-BF49-F3956AB00C25@microsoft.com...

> How to avoid it in the future? Well for starters, don't dual boot.

I personally prefer removable drives in bays. One OS per drive.

Don't multi-post, cockhead!

You are in vista.general with this.

"Steven Wabik" wrote:

> i just hope someone can help me with this **** issue.
>
> i just previously had a dualboot setup between Windows XP tablet PC edition
> 2005 and Windows Vista business edition.
>
> the thing was that i got sick of vista so i decided to get rid of it. i
> thoght i removed the boot manager first with vistabootpro v3.3. but it seems
> that the removal of the vistaloader failed.
>
> i used vistabootpro to remove the vista bootloader in the past from when i
> did beta testing. when i beta tested vista i was doing it in a dual oot
> situation and that application vistaboot pro got rid of the vista
> bootloader.
>
> now i seem to be stuck with the vistaboot loader. does anyone have any ideas
> of how to get rid of it without reinstalling windows?
>
>
>

"Mick Murphy" <MickMurphy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in...

> Don't multi-post, cockhead!


Excuse me ?!!?


Sheeesh............

In article <11DEA2DD-535F-48E8-BF49-F3956AB00C25@microsoft.com>,
Josh Einstein <josh@einsteintech.net> wrote:
>How to avoid it in the future? Well for starters, don't dual boot. With
>virtualization where it is today, it's rarely necessary.

He may not have the horsepower. Virtualization doesn't give you
2 machines you know...

i never really messed with virtalization technologies, but yet my computers
BIOS has some option for it. either way, when its enabled it speeds up my
computer....

"Josh Einstein" <josh@einsteintech.net> wrote in message
news:11DEA2DD-535F-48E8-BF49-F3956AB00C25@microsoft.com...
> How to avoid it in the future? Well for starters, don't dual boot. With
> virtualization where it is today, it's rarely necessary. Pick a version of
> the OS and stick with it and if you need an older one for compatibility
> reasons, keep it in a virtual machine. If you don't understand master boot
> records and how various OS's tend to step on each others toes then you'll
> get into situations like this.
>
> And if you do run into the problem again, you might get more help if you
> don't come to a Microsoft community newsgroup with an attitude like
> "knowing Microsoft software it may not work..." when you were the one who
> tinkered the system into its current state.
>
> --
> Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
> Einstein Technologies
> Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com
>
> "Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:%23kB1yKyLIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> no, but knowing microsoft software it may not work..lol
>>
>> anyways...thanks for the idea, but i already got rid of the vista boot
>> manager.
>>
>> even though that i fixed the issue, i am just wondering if anyone can
>> send me other seggestions on how to fix it for if it happens
>> again...better than that one the other guy sent me and possibly some to
>> avoid that issue in the future.
>>
>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:F_GdnWdbTLAsCtXanZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@athenet.net. ..
>>>
>>> "Steven Wabik" <Stevenw45@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23%23NTS$tLIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> i just hope someone can help me with this **** issue.
>>>>
>>>> i just previously had a dualboot setup between Windows XP tablet PC
>>> edition
>>>> 2005 and Windows Vista business edition.
>>>>
>>>> the thing was that i got sick of vista so i decided to get rid of it. i
>>>> thoght i removed the boot manager first with vistabootpro v3.3. but it
>>> seems
>>>> that the removal of the vistaloader failed.
>>>>
>>>> i used vistabootpro to remove the vista bootloader in the past from
>>>> when i
>>>> did beta testing. when i beta tested vista i was doing it in a dual oot
>>>> situation and that application vistaboot pro got rid of the vista
>>>> bootloader.
>>>>
>>>> now i seem to be stuck with the vistaboot loader. does anyone have any
>>> ideas
>>>> of how to get rid of it without reinstalling windows?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you try booting from your XP cd and from the repair console issuing
>>> the
>>> command : fixboot
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

i sortta did that myself, having on OS per drive when i was beta test vista
on a dual boot. it was on a laptop that could handle up to 3 internal hard
drives.

when XP was loaded the main hard drive, the one with XP on it was in the
main hard drive bay and in dvd and floppy drives were inserrted in the other
drive bays.

when vista was loaded on the PC the floppy drive was removed and the main
hard drive was put in its place. the main hard drive was only like 20GB. the
hard drive that i had for vista was about 60GB.

now this laptop was so old that it could not handle windows aero on the
native graphics card, but i used a PCMCIA graphics card with it while i was
running it under vista just so that it could run aero.

"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
news:PNa2j.40696$Pt.24975@trnddc02...
>
> "Josh Einstein" <josh@einsteintech.net> wrote in message
> news:11DEA2DD-535F-48E8-BF49-F3956AB00C25@microsoft.com...
>
>> How to avoid it in the future? Well for starters, don't dual boot.
>
> I personally prefer removable drives in bays. One OS per drive.
>
>
>

You are a johnny-come-lately clown; learn the rules.

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote:

>
> "Mick Murphy" <MickMurphy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in...
>
> > Don't multi-post, cockhead!
>
>
> Excuse me ?!!?
>
>
> Sheeesh............
>
>
>

"Josh Einstein" wrote:

> ...don't come to a Microsoft community newsgroup with an attitude like "knowing
> Microsoft software it may not work..." when you were the one who tinkered
> the system into its current state.
>

In this instance I'd beg to differ. For no good reason (other than perhaps
to actively prevent coexistence with other OS's, or to prevent its transfer
by disk-imaging...? ) Vista modifies the MBR in a special way. Here the
problem is clearly that of the Microsoft OS deliberately playing the
"Neighbor from Hell" on a shared PC.

There is no reason for any OS to modify the MBR, in fact the MBR is not part
of the disk partition as such. Some bootloaders install into the MBR, but
then that is part of their proper function as means to boot from ultiple
partitions. The OS itself should not touch it.

after the removal of vista and the removal of the vista boot manager, i ran
into a new issue. you know how the BIOS kind of acts of as a boot manager
giving you F9 and F10 optoins and stuff?

well, all the additional options after that have disapeared for me after the
removal of vista. i think it had something to do with the removal of vista
and its boot manager. the BIOS in my notebook in my laptop had aditional
options that appeared after the main BIOS slash screen. these options were
for recovery options and stuff.

does anyone have any ideas of how to fix this issue? this screen is needed
to create restore CDs or DVDs from the restore partition on the hard drive.
there were a lot of other advanced options as well.

Steven Wabik wrote:
> after the removal of vista and the removal of the vista boot manager, i ran
> into a new issue. you know how the BIOS kind of acts of as a boot manager
> giving you F9 and F10 optoins and stuff?
>
> well, all the additional options after that have disapeared for me after the
> removal of vista. i think it had something to do with the removal of vista
> and its boot manager. the BIOS in my notebook in my laptop had aditional
> options that appeared after the main BIOS slash screen. these options were
> for recovery options and stuff.
>
> does anyone have any ideas of how to fix this issue? this screen is needed
> to create restore CDs or DVDs from the restore partition on the hard drive.
> there were a lot of other advanced options as well.
>
>


How exactly did you remove Vista?

If there's a restore partition then it's an OEM install and MS offer no
support but the maker should be able to supply recovery media. If you
don;t want to put Vista back then those options are no good to you
anyway, what you planning to run on the machine?

i used vistabootpro v3.3 to remove the vista bootmanager which i guess
failed. then i just deleted the partition that had vista on it. i was
running a dual boot with XP and Vista. after i deleted the vista partition i
extented the XP partition. after vista was all gone the OEM recovery options
in the BIOS were gone, but the recovery partition was ok at least. i already
made my XP recovery DVDs from when i first got my tablet PC before HP sent
me the vista OEM CDs for the tablet.

i just want to know if anyone has any ideas of how to fix the BIOS boot
manager that lets you access the OEM recovery manager.

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
news:eAJG1S9LIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Steven Wabik wrote:
>> after the removal of vista and the removal of the vista boot manager, i
>> ran into a new issue. you know how the BIOS kind of acts of as a boot
>> manager giving you F9 and F10 optoins and stuff?
>>
>> well, all the additional options after that have disapeared for me after
>> the removal of vista. i think it had something to do with the removal of
>> vista and its boot manager. the BIOS in my notebook in my laptop had
>> aditional options that appeared after the main BIOS slash screen. these
>> options were for recovery options and stuff.
>>
>> does anyone have any ideas of how to fix this issue? this screen is
>> needed to create restore CDs or DVDs from the restore partition on the
>> hard drive. there were a lot of other advanced options as well.
>
>
> How exactly did you remove Vista?
>
> If there's a restore partition then it's an OEM install and MS offer no
> support but the maker should be able to supply recovery media. If you
> don;t want to put Vista back then those options are no good to you anyway,
> what you planning to run on the machine?