My boss a Lenovo X60t tablet here in the Office. He bought it with XP Tablet
instead of Vista because he was used to XP Tablet and Vista had just come out
and we didn't want to deal with all the bugs, etc. as he was also going to
use it when in the office with a docking station as a workstation to our
Small Business 2003 network. Also, he is used to Windows Journal and I had
learned that Vista doesn't come with that (though I'm wondering if I read
wrong). The reason he likes Windows Journal is what he wants to do is do a
few pages of writing, then do the text conversion on the whole thing (but
since he's not satisfied with how Journal/XP does it he actually has his
secretary transcribe it). I've showed him how he can go right into MS Office,
and as he writes each line, can do the text conversion, but he wants to as I
said do a whole document in writing and then convert it.

However, he (and I) have learned that there are some advantages to Vista on
a tablet; mainly that it "learns" your handwriting.

Since it is several months since Vista is out, I'm willing to re-explore it.
Here are my questions:

1) What version of Vista would I get? (My guess is Business)

2) How easy is it to upgrade a tablet that currently has XP Tablet to Vista?
Will anything typical "tablet things" suddenly not function?

3) Does Windows Journal exist in Vista? If not, does the fact that I have it
on there now mean that it will work with a Vista upgrade? If someone wants to
do an entire document in writing and then convert it after the fact, what do
they use if Journal does not exist in Vista? I'm guessing OneNote, but given
what it normally costs to buy that I don't think that just comes with Vista,
right?

4) Finally, any problems using the tablet in the office with a Small
Business 2003 network?

Any help would be much, much appreciated, thanks!

This may not be the answer you want to hear -- but if your tablet is just a
couple of months old, see if you can return it and get one with Vista on it.
Every experience I've had suggests that you don't want to go through the hell
of upgrading an operating system. The only time I have upgraded an OS was
after a complete hard drive crash -- I had to go out and buy a new hard drive
for my computer anyway, so I took that opportunity to upgrade from Windows ME
to XP. In fact, we just got upgraded at my office to XP (don't you just love
the government? Always an OS behind...), and essentially they gave me a new
(though not faster) machine, copied all my old files from the My Documents
folder, installed all the old programs on the new machine, and wiped the hard
drive of the old machine so they could install XP and give it to someone
else. So if the IT guys aren't willing to go through OS upgrade hell, I
wouldn't do it either.

Best of luck.

"hairymon" wrote:

> My boss a Lenovo X60t tablet here in the Office. He bought it with XP Tablet
> instead of Vista because he was used to XP Tablet and Vista had just come out
> and we didn't want to deal with all the bugs, etc. as he was also going to
> use it when in the office with a docking station as a workstation to our
> Small Business 2003 network. Also, he is used to Windows Journal and I had
> learned that Vista doesn't come with that (though I'm wondering if I read
> wrong). The reason he likes Windows Journal is what he wants to do is do a
> few pages of writing, then do the text conversion on the whole thing (but
> since he's not satisfied with how Journal/XP does it he actually has his
> secretary transcribe it). I've showed him how he can go right into MS Office,
> and as he writes each line, can do the text conversion, but he wants to as I
> said do a whole document in writing and then convert it.
>
> However, he (and I) have learned that there are some advantages to Vista on
> a tablet; mainly that it "learns" your handwriting.
>
> Since it is several months since Vista is out, I'm willing to re-explore it.
> Here are my questions:
>
> 1) What version of Vista would I get? (My guess is Business)
>
> 2) How easy is it to upgrade a tablet that currently has XP Tablet to Vista?
> Will anything typical "tablet things" suddenly not function?
>
> 3) Does Windows Journal exist in Vista? If not, does the fact that I have it
> on there now mean that it will work with a Vista upgrade? If someone wants to
> do an entire document in writing and then convert it after the fact, what do
> they use if Journal does not exist in Vista? I'm guessing OneNote, but given
> what it normally costs to buy that I don't think that just comes with Vista,
> right?
>
> 4) Finally, any problems using the tablet in the office with a Small
> Business 2003 network?
>
> Any help would be much, much appreciated, thanks!

If he's willing to trade in his tablet for one with Vista on it then he may
as well just do a clean install of Vista if he has it.

The driver situation shouldn't be bad since the OEM supports Vista on it.

(By the way, Vista comes with a virtually unchanged version of Windows
Journal.)

--
Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
Einstein Technologies
Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com


"shysong" <shysong@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:461C9CA2-54EB-4B47-8B99-908E161EBE36@microsoft.com...
> This may not be the answer you want to hear -- but if your tablet is just
> a
> couple of months old, see if you can return it and get one with Vista on
> it.
> Every experience I've had suggests that you don't want to go through the
> hell
> of upgrading an operating system. The only time I have upgraded an OS was
> after a complete hard drive crash -- I had to go out and buy a new hard
> drive
> for my computer anyway, so I took that opportunity to upgrade from Windows
> ME
> to XP. In fact, we just got upgraded at my office to XP (don't you just
> love
> the government? Always an OS behind...), and essentially they gave me a
> new
> (though not faster) machine, copied all my old files from the My Documents
> folder, installed all the old programs on the new machine, and wiped the
> hard
> drive of the old machine so they could install XP and give it to someone
> else. So if the IT guys aren't willing to go through OS upgrade hell, I
> wouldn't do it either.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> "hairymon" wrote:
>
>> My boss a Lenovo X60t tablet here in the Office. He bought it with XP
>> Tablet
>> instead of Vista because he was used to XP Tablet and Vista had just come
>> out
>> and we didn't want to deal with all the bugs, etc. as he was also going
>> to
>> use it when in the office with a docking station as a workstation to our
>> Small Business 2003 network. Also, he is used to Windows Journal and I
>> had
>> learned that Vista doesn't come with that (though I'm wondering if I read
>> wrong). The reason he likes Windows Journal is what he wants to do is do
>> a
>> few pages of writing, then do the text conversion on the whole thing (but
>> since he's not satisfied with how Journal/XP does it he actually has his
>> secretary transcribe it). I've showed him how he can go right into MS
>> Office,
>> and as he writes each line, can do the text conversion, but he wants to
>> as I
>> said do a whole document in writing and then convert it.
>>
>> However, he (and I) have learned that there are some advantages to Vista
>> on
>> a tablet; mainly that it "learns" your handwriting.
>>
>> Since it is several months since Vista is out, I'm willing to re-explore
>> it.
>> Here are my questions:
>>
>> 1) What version of Vista would I get? (My guess is Business)
>>
>> 2) How easy is it to upgrade a tablet that currently has XP Tablet to
>> Vista?
>> Will anything typical "tablet things" suddenly not function?
>>
>> 3) Does Windows Journal exist in Vista? If not, does the fact that I have
>> it
>> on there now mean that it will work with a Vista upgrade? If someone
>> wants to
>> do an entire document in writing and then convert it after the fact, what
>> do
>> they use if Journal does not exist in Vista? I'm guessing OneNote, but
>> given
>> what it normally costs to buy that I don't think that just comes with
>> Vista,
>> right?
>>
>> 4) Finally, any problems using the tablet in the office with a Small
>> Business 2003 network?
>>
>> Any help would be much, much appreciated, thanks!

Is the upgrade that awful? We've actually had it since December so I don't
think we could turn it in and all. If we were to try the upgrade, what
version of Vista should we get? Would the upgrade include the improved
Journal?

"Josh Einstein" wrote:

> If he's willing to trade in his tablet for one with Vista on it then he may
> as well just do a clean install of Vista if he has it.
>
> The driver situation shouldn't be bad since the OEM supports Vista on it.
>
> (By the way, Vista comes with a virtually unchanged version of Windows
> Journal.)
>
> --
> Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
> Einstein Technologies
> Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com
>
>
> "shysong" <shysong@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:461C9CA2-54EB-4B47-8B99-908E161EBE36@microsoft.com...
> > This may not be the answer you want to hear -- but if your tablet is just
> > a
> > couple of months old, see if you can return it and get one with Vista on
> > it.
> > Every experience I've had suggests that you don't want to go through the
> > hell
> > of upgrading an operating system. The only time I have upgraded an OS was
> > after a complete hard drive crash -- I had to go out and buy a new hard
> > drive
> > for my computer anyway, so I took that opportunity to upgrade from Windows
> > ME
> > to XP. In fact, we just got upgraded at my office to XP (don't you just
> > love
> > the government? Always an OS behind...), and essentially they gave me a
> > new
> > (though not faster) machine, copied all my old files from the My Documents
> > folder, installed all the old programs on the new machine, and wiped the
> > hard
> > drive of the old machine so they could install XP and give it to someone
> > else. So if the IT guys aren't willing to go through OS upgrade hell, I
> > wouldn't do it either.
> >
> > Best of luck.
> >
> > "hairymon" wrote:
> >
> >> My boss a Lenovo X60t tablet here in the Office. He bought it with XP
> >> Tablet
> >> instead of Vista because he was used to XP Tablet and Vista had just come
> >> out
> >> and we didn't want to deal with all the bugs, etc. as he was also going
> >> to
> >> use it when in the office with a docking station as a workstation to our
> >> Small Business 2003 network. Also, he is used to Windows Journal and I
> >> had
> >> learned that Vista doesn't come with that (though I'm wondering if I read
> >> wrong). The reason he likes Windows Journal is what he wants to do is do
> >> a
> >> few pages of writing, then do the text conversion on the whole thing (but
> >> since he's not satisfied with how Journal/XP does it he actually has his
> >> secretary transcribe it). I've showed him how he can go right into MS
> >> Office,
> >> and as he writes each line, can do the text conversion, but he wants to
> >> as I
> >> said do a whole document in writing and then convert it.
> >>
> >> However, he (and I) have learned that there are some advantages to Vista
> >> on
> >> a tablet; mainly that it "learns" your handwriting.
> >>
> >> Since it is several months since Vista is out, I'm willing to re-explore
> >> it.
> >> Here are my questions:
> >>
> >> 1) What version of Vista would I get? (My guess is Business)
> >>
> >> 2) How easy is it to upgrade a tablet that currently has XP Tablet to
> >> Vista?
> >> Will anything typical "tablet things" suddenly not function?
> >>
> >> 3) Does Windows Journal exist in Vista? If not, does the fact that I have
> >> it
> >> on there now mean that it will work with a Vista upgrade? If someone
> >> wants to
> >> do an entire document in writing and then convert it after the fact, what
> >> do
> >> they use if Journal does not exist in Vista? I'm guessing OneNote, but
> >> given
> >> what it normally costs to buy that I don't think that just comes with
> >> Vista,
> >> right?
> >>
> >> 4) Finally, any problems using the tablet in the office with a Small
> >> Business 2003 network?
> >>
> >> Any help would be much, much appreciated, thanks!
>
>

I've upgraded both a Lenovo X41 and X60 to Windows Vista. I would highly
recommend a clean install. As time goes on, my computers have slowed to the
point that a clean install is going to need to be done regardless. The X41
was used during testing, so a clean install came fairly quickly. There was
a world of difference.

An upgrade took several hours. The time would have been more productively
spent in just doing a clean install to start.

There are also bits and pieces left over from XP that tend to be confusing
in some terminology, although nothing critical.
--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Featured Community
http://thetabletpc.net
Forums - http://forums.mobilepcworld.net
Microsoft Windows MVP- Tablet PC

"hairymon" <hairymon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E6680F2C-16F3-459B-80FA-E6582E5E8089@microsoft.com...
> Is the upgrade that awful? We've actually had it since December so I
> don't
> think we could turn it in and all. If we were to try the upgrade, what
> version of Vista should we get? Would the upgrade include the improved
> Journal?
>
> "Josh Einstein" wrote:
>
>> If he's willing to trade in his tablet for one with Vista on it then he
>> may
>> as well just do a clean install of Vista if he has it.
>>
>> The driver situation shouldn't be bad since the OEM supports Vista on it.
>>
>> (By the way, Vista comes with a virtually unchanged version of Windows
>> Journal.)
>>
>> --
>> Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
>> Einstein Technologies
>> Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com
>>
>>
>> "shysong" <shysong@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:461C9CA2-54EB-4B47-8B99-908E161EBE36@microsoft.com...
>> > This may not be the answer you want to hear -- but if your tablet is
>> > just
>> > a
>> > couple of months old, see if you can return it and get one with Vista
>> > on
>> > it.
>> > Every experience I've had suggests that you don't want to go through
>> > the
>> > hell
>> > of upgrading an operating system. The only time I have upgraded an OS
>> > was
>> > after a complete hard drive crash -- I had to go out and buy a new hard
>> > drive
>> > for my computer anyway, so I took that opportunity to upgrade from
>> > Windows
>> > ME
>> > to XP. In fact, we just got upgraded at my office to XP (don't you
>> > just
>> > love
>> > the government? Always an OS behind...), and essentially they gave me
>> > a
>> > new
>> > (though not faster) machine, copied all my old files from the My
>> > Documents
>> > folder, installed all the old programs on the new machine, and wiped
>> > the
>> > hard
>> > drive of the old machine so they could install XP and give it to
>> > someone
>> > else. So if the IT guys aren't willing to go through OS upgrade hell,
>> > I
>> > wouldn't do it either.
>> >
>> > Best of luck.
>> >
>> > "hairymon" wrote:
>> >
>> >> My boss a Lenovo X60t tablet here in the Office. He bought it with XP
>> >> Tablet
>> >> instead of Vista because he was used to XP Tablet and Vista had just
>> >> come
>> >> out
>> >> and we didn't want to deal with all the bugs, etc. as he was also
>> >> going
>> >> to
>> >> use it when in the office with a docking station as a workstation to
>> >> our
>> >> Small Business 2003 network. Also, he is used to Windows Journal and I
>> >> had
>> >> learned that Vista doesn't come with that (though I'm wondering if I
>> >> read
>> >> wrong). The reason he likes Windows Journal is what he wants to do is
>> >> do
>> >> a
>> >> few pages of writing, then do the text conversion on the whole thing
>> >> (but
>> >> since he's not satisfied with how Journal/XP does it he actually has
>> >> his
>> >> secretary transcribe it). I've showed him how he can go right into MS
>> >> Office,
>> >> and as he writes each line, can do the text conversion, but he wants
>> >> to
>> >> as I
>> >> said do a whole document in writing and then convert it.
>> >>
>> >> However, he (and I) have learned that there are some advantages to
>> >> Vista
>> >> on
>> >> a tablet; mainly that it "learns" your handwriting.
>> >>
>> >> Since it is several months since Vista is out, I'm willing to
>> >> re-explore
>> >> it.
>> >> Here are my questions:
>> >>
>> >> 1) What version of Vista would I get? (My guess is Business)
>> >>
>> >> 2) How easy is it to upgrade a tablet that currently has XP Tablet to
>> >> Vista?
>> >> Will anything typical "tablet things" suddenly not function?
>> >>
>> >> 3) Does Windows Journal exist in Vista? If not, does the fact that I
>> >> have
>> >> it
>> >> on there now mean that it will work with a Vista upgrade? If someone
>> >> wants to
>> >> do an entire document in writing and then convert it after the fact,
>> >> what
>> >> do
>> >> they use if Journal does not exist in Vista? I'm guessing OneNote, but
>> >> given
>> >> what it normally costs to buy that I don't think that just comes with
>> >> Vista,
>> >> right?
>> >>
>> >> 4) Finally, any problems using the tablet in the office with a Small
>> >> Business 2003 network?
>> >>
>> >> Any help would be much, much appreciated, thanks!
>>
>>

There isn't an improved version of Journal. It doesn't appear to have
changed at all.

Personally, I avoid "upgrade" OS installs like the plague. Think of it like
"upgrading" the pistons in your engine. It takes a long time to do, alot can
go wrong, and it won't be as good as a new engine. Having said that, maybe
it's worth it to you not to have to backup and restore your files, though
I'd recommend backing them up anyway before doing an upgrade.

Vista has new default locations for things such as application settings,
user data, documents, etc. It has different permission sets too. While I
think it will attempt to rearrange your XP folders to fit in the new model,
it's not perfect. For me, I personally prefer a clean Vista installation.
I've gotten so good at it that I can generally knock it out in a day without
forgetting to back anything up.

--
Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
Einstein Technologies
Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com

"hairymon" <hairymon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E6680F2C-16F3-459B-80FA-E6582E5E8089@microsoft.com...
> Is the upgrade that awful? We've actually had it since December so I
> don't
> think we could turn it in and all. If we were to try the upgrade, what
> version of Vista should we get? Would the upgrade include the improved
> Journal?
>
> "Josh Einstein" wrote:
>
>> If he's willing to trade in his tablet for one with Vista on it then he
>> may
>> as well just do a clean install of Vista if he has it.
>>
>> The driver situation shouldn't be bad since the OEM supports Vista on it.
>>
>> (By the way, Vista comes with a virtually unchanged version of Windows
>> Journal.)
>>
>> --
>> Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
>> Einstein Technologies
>> Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com
>>
>>
>> "shysong" <shysong@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:461C9CA2-54EB-4B47-8B99-908E161EBE36@microsoft.com...
>> > This may not be the answer you want to hear -- but if your tablet is
>> > just
>> > a
>> > couple of months old, see if you can return it and get one with Vista
>> > on
>> > it.
>> > Every experience I've had suggests that you don't want to go through
>> > the
>> > hell
>> > of upgrading an operating system. The only time I have upgraded an OS
>> > was
>> > after a complete hard drive crash -- I had to go out and buy a new hard
>> > drive
>> > for my computer anyway, so I took that opportunity to upgrade from
>> > Windows
>> > ME
>> > to XP. In fact, we just got upgraded at my office to XP (don't you
>> > just
>> > love
>> > the government? Always an OS behind...), and essentially they gave me
>> > a
>> > new
>> > (though not faster) machine, copied all my old files from the My
>> > Documents
>> > folder, installed all the old programs on the new machine, and wiped
>> > the
>> > hard
>> > drive of the old machine so they could install XP and give it to
>> > someone
>> > else. So if the IT guys aren't willing to go through OS upgrade hell,
>> > I
>> > wouldn't do it either.
>> >
>> > Best of luck.
>> >
>> > "hairymon" wrote:
>> >
>> >> My boss a Lenovo X60t tablet here in the Office. He bought it with XP
>> >> Tablet
>> >> instead of Vista because he was used to XP Tablet and Vista had just
>> >> come
>> >> out
>> >> and we didn't want to deal with all the bugs, etc. as he was also
>> >> going
>> >> to
>> >> use it when in the office with a docking station as a workstation to
>> >> our
>> >> Small Business 2003 network. Also, he is used to Windows Journal and I
>> >> had
>> >> learned that Vista doesn't come with that (though I'm wondering if I
>> >> read
>> >> wrong). The reason he likes Windows Journal is what he wants to do is
>> >> do
>> >> a
>> >> few pages of writing, then do the text conversion on the whole thing
>> >> (but
>> >> since he's not satisfied with how Journal/XP does it he actually has
>> >> his
>> >> secretary transcribe it). I've showed him how he can go right into MS
>> >> Office,
>> >> and as he writes each line, can do the text conversion, but he wants
>> >> to
>> >> as I
>> >> said do a whole document in writing and then convert it.
>> >>
>> >> However, he (and I) have learned that there are some advantages to
>> >> Vista
>> >> on
>> >> a tablet; mainly that it "learns" your handwriting.
>> >>
>> >> Since it is several months since Vista is out, I'm willing to
>> >> re-explore
>> >> it.
>> >> Here are my questions:
>> >>
>> >> 1) What version of Vista would I get? (My guess is Business)
>> >>
>> >> 2) How easy is it to upgrade a tablet that currently has XP Tablet to
>> >> Vista?
>> >> Will anything typical "tablet things" suddenly not function?
>> >>
>> >> 3) Does Windows Journal exist in Vista? If not, does the fact that I
>> >> have
>> >> it
>> >> on there now mean that it will work with a Vista upgrade? If someone
>> >> wants to
>> >> do an entire document in writing and then convert it after the fact,
>> >> what
>> >> do
>> >> they use if Journal does not exist in Vista? I'm guessing OneNote, but
>> >> given
>> >> what it normally costs to buy that I don't think that just comes with
>> >> Vista,
>> >> right?
>> >>
>> >> 4) Finally, any problems using the tablet in the office with a Small
>> >> Business 2003 network?
>> >>
>> >> Any help would be much, much appreciated, thanks!
>>
>>