I do not encourage piracy with this news! Just for MSFT guys to be in the
know what's going on :

Found this news just on the net - a techguy has decompiled some "essentials"
:

-- Next level in Vista "Pirated Edition" --

Eval-status and Timebomb-checkers succesfully completely removed from Slsvc
/ SLUI :

together used with no Key ever typed in, this would mean Vista unactivated,
but running forever without any issues. Software Licensing service no longer
then works as MSFT has developped it to work, reduced mode wont appear.

[url]http://dl36l32.rapidshare.com/files/4989289/705207/DecompiledSLUI.jpg[/url]


note :

this is not my work, nor my screenshot, but found this discussion and the
link on a "enthusiast page".

I don't know if this is exactly working, but the one is talking that it
does in the way that spp/Slsvc/SLui is out of service / acts only as dummy.

I just read about it somewhere and I find this VERY interesting that it can
be done without triggering reduced mode or other kill-switches - that is
what the topic is saying.

any comments from all those saying it couldn't be done and sweared that SPP
is going to be the next unbreakable level in antipiracy ?

The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto together
with those files via irc-channels and websites very well known to MSFTs
piracy department, so act or let it be.

..

this is where i also read about it :

[url]http://www.thehotfix.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=7540&st=345[/url]

Well, I never had any doubt it would and will continue to happen.

It just proved how stupid the company is to come up WGA N.



"JustFYI ..." <barolo@yeah.net> wrote in message
news:OwqaU3fEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I do not encourage piracy with this news! Just for MSFT guys to be in the
>know what's going on :
>
> Found this news just on the net - a techguy has decompiled some
> "essentials" :
>
> -- Next level in Vista "Pirated Edition" --
>
> Eval-status and Timebomb-checkers succesfully completely removed from
> Slsvc / SLUI :
>
> together used with no Key ever typed in, this would mean Vista
> unactivated, but running forever without any issues. Software Licensing
> service no longer then works as MSFT has developped it to work, reduced
> mode wont appear.
>
> [url]http://dl36l32.rapidshare.com/files/4989289/705207/DecompiledSLUI.jpg[/url]
>
>
> note :
>
> this is not my work, nor my screenshot, but found this discussion and the
> link on a "enthusiast page".
>
> I don't know if this is exactly working, but the one is talking that it
> does in the way that spp/Slsvc/SLui is out of service / acts only as
> dummy.
>
> I just read about it somewhere and I find this VERY interesting that it
> can be done without triggering reduced mode or other kill-switches - that
> is what the topic is saying.
>
> any comments from all those saying it couldn't be done and sweared that
> SPP is going to be the next unbreakable level in antipiracy ?
>
> The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto together
> with those files via irc-channels and websites very well known to MSFTs
> piracy department, so act or let it be.
>
> .
>
>[/color]

This was always going to happen no surprises here.

I will buy a legal copy of Vista even if it is tempting to use a cracked
copy for some, it is something I would never do.

I design websites and grahpics and it isn't nice to have work stolen and
piracy is definately theft.

But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they need
to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their efforts on SPP
and WGA

"JustFYI ..." <barolo@yeah.net> wrote in message
news:OwqaU3fEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I do not encourage piracy with this news! Just for MSFT guys to be in the
>know what's going on :
>
> Found this news just on the net - a techguy has decompiled some
> "essentials" :
>
> -- Next level in Vista "Pirated Edition" --
>
> Eval-status and Timebomb-checkers succesfully completely removed from
> Slsvc / SLUI :
>
> together used with no Key ever typed in, this would mean Vista
> unactivated, but running forever without any issues. Software Licensing
> service no longer then works as MSFT has developped it to work, reduced
> mode wont appear.
>
> [url]http://dl36l32.rapidshare.com/files/4989289/705207/DecompiledSLUI.jpg[/url]
>
>
> note :
>
> this is not my work, nor my screenshot, but found this discussion and the
> link on a "enthusiast page".
>
> I don't know if this is exactly working, but the one is talking that it
> does in the way that spp/Slsvc/SLui is out of service / acts only as
> dummy.
>
> I just read about it somewhere and I find this VERY interesting that it
> can be done without triggering reduced mode or other kill-switches - that
> is what the topic is saying.
>
> any comments from all those saying it couldn't be done and sweared that
> SPP is going to be the next unbreakable level in antipiracy ?
>
> The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto together
> with those files via irc-channels and websites very well known to MSFTs
> piracy department, so act or let it be.
>
> .
>
>[/color]

> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they[color=blue]
> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their efforts
> on SPP and WGA[/color]

Exactly.

And most people against WGA N and SPP do use legal software and those who
want to use pirated copies can always get what they want.

LOL. Isn't it ironic?

No only it failed to reduce its enemies, it created even more from those who
were once its faithful customers.




"Will " <imagine_44@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:35C4E875-A966-4916-8007-9269650C4D7C@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> This was always going to happen no surprises here.
>
> I will buy a legal copy of Vista even if it is tempting to use a cracked
> copy for some, it is something I would never do.
>
> I design websites and grahpics and it isn't nice to have work stolen and
> piracy is definately theft.
>
> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they
> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their efforts
> on SPP and WGA
>
> "JustFYI ..." <barolo@yeah.net> wrote in message
> news:OwqaU3fEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I do not encourage piracy with this news! Just for MSFT guys to be in the
>>know what's going on :
>>
>> Found this news just on the net - a techguy has decompiled some
>> "essentials" :
>>
>> -- Next level in Vista "Pirated Edition" --
>>
>> Eval-status and Timebomb-checkers succesfully completely removed from
>> Slsvc / SLUI :
>>
>> together used with no Key ever typed in, this would mean Vista
>> unactivated, but running forever without any issues. Software Licensing
>> service no longer then works as MSFT has developped it to work, reduced
>> mode wont appear.
>>
>> [url]http://dl36l32.rapidshare.com/files/4989289/705207/DecompiledSLUI.jpg[/url]
>>
>>
>> note :
>>
>> this is not my work, nor my screenshot, but found this discussion and the
>> link on a "enthusiast page".
>>
>> I don't know if this is exactly working, but the one is talking that it
>> does in the way that spp/Slsvc/SLui is out of service / acts only as
>> dummy.
>>
>> I just read about it somewhere and I find this VERY interesting that it
>> can be done without triggering reduced mode or other kill-switches - that
>> is what the topic is saying.
>>
>> any comments from all those saying it couldn't be done and sweared that
>> SPP is going to be the next unbreakable level in antipiracy ?
>>
>> The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto
>> together with those files via irc-channels and websites very well known
>> to MSFTs piracy department, so act or let it be.
>>
>> .
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Well this is only a thought
But if you logically look at it, It would be fair to say that for every
legal copy of vista that MSFT sell there would be one less pirated copy out
there, and keeping that in mind if MSFT sold vista very cheaply, then there
would be far less incentive for people to use pirated copies, and sales
would go up this would ensure the financial losses are limited. The only
thing people would then complain about would be that MSFT would put
themselves in a position to dominate the software market more than they do
now.

But this is only a thought, but probably worth considering seeing the
present anti piracy measures don't seem to be as effective as they were
intended to be.

"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23tSn6UiEHHA.3576@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue][color=green]
>> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they
>> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their efforts
>> on SPP and WGA[/color]
>
> Exactly.
>
> And most people against WGA N and SPP do use legal software and those who
> want to use pirated copies can always get what they want.
>
> LOL. Isn't it ironic?
>
> No only it failed to reduce its enemies, it created even more from those
> who were once its faithful customers.
>
>
>
>
> "Will " <imagine_44@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:35C4E875-A966-4916-8007-9269650C4D7C@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> This was always going to happen no surprises here.
>>
>> I will buy a legal copy of Vista even if it is tempting to use a cracked
>> copy for some, it is something I would never do.
>>
>> I design websites and grahpics and it isn't nice to have work stolen and
>> piracy is definately theft.
>>
>> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they
>> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their efforts
>> on SPP and WGA
>>
>> "JustFYI ..." <barolo@yeah.net> wrote in message
>> news:OwqaU3fEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>I do not encourage piracy with this news! Just for MSFT guys to be in the
>>>know what's going on :
>>>
>>> Found this news just on the net - a techguy has decompiled some
>>> "essentials" :
>>>
>>> -- Next level in Vista "Pirated Edition" --
>>>
>>> Eval-status and Timebomb-checkers succesfully completely removed from
>>> Slsvc / SLUI :
>>>
>>> together used with no Key ever typed in, this would mean Vista
>>> unactivated, but running forever without any issues. Software Licensing
>>> service no longer then works as MSFT has developped it to work, reduced
>>> mode wont appear.
>>>
>>> [url]http://dl36l32.rapidshare.com/files/4989289/705207/DecompiledSLUI.jpg[/url]
>>>
>>>
>>> note :
>>>
>>> this is not my work, nor my screenshot, but found this discussion and
>>> the link on a "enthusiast page".
>>>
>>> I don't know if this is exactly working, but the one is talking that it
>>> does in the way that spp/Slsvc/SLui is out of service / acts only as
>>> dummy.
>>>
>>> I just read about it somewhere and I find this VERY interesting that it
>>> can be done without triggering reduced mode or other kill-switches -
>>> that is what the topic is saying.
>>>
>>> any comments from all those saying it couldn't be done and sweared that
>>> SPP is going to be the next unbreakable level in antipiracy ?
>>>
>>> The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto
>>> together with those files via irc-channels and websites very well known
>>> to MSFTs piracy department, so act or let it be.
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

They would never sell it so cheaply as to discourage pirates. This sort of
thing is a never-ending battle.

"Will " <imagine_44@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3226725B-5D2C-4AF7-9B5E-292A68A60CEC@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Well this is only a thought
> But if you logically look at it, It would be fair to say that for every
> legal copy of vista that MSFT sell there would be one less pirated copy
> out there, and keeping that in mind if MSFT sold vista very cheaply, then
> there would be far less incentive for people to use pirated copies, and
> sales would go up this would ensure the financial losses are limited. The
> only thing people would then complain about would be that MSFT would put
> themselves in a position to dominate the software market more than they do
> now.
>
> But this is only a thought, but probably worth considering seeing the
> present anti piracy measures don't seem to be as effective as they were
> intended to be.
>
> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23tSn6UiEHHA.3576@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they
>>> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their efforts
>>> on SPP and WGA[/color]
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> And most people against WGA N and SPP do use legal software and those who
>> want to use pirated copies can always get what they want.
>>
>> LOL. Isn't it ironic?
>>
>> No only it failed to reduce its enemies, it created even more from those
>> who were once its faithful customers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Will " <imagine_44@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:35C4E875-A966-4916-8007-9269650C4D7C@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> This was always going to happen no surprises here.
>>>
>>> I will buy a legal copy of Vista even if it is tempting to use a cracked
>>> copy for some, it is something I would never do.
>>>
>>> I design websites and grahpics and it isn't nice to have work stolen and
>>> piracy is definately theft.
>>>
>>> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they
>>> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their efforts
>>> on SPP and WGA
>>>
>>> "JustFYI ..." <barolo@yeah.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OwqaU3fEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>I do not encourage piracy with this news! Just for MSFT guys to be in
>>>>the know what's going on :
>>>>
>>>> Found this news just on the net - a techguy has decompiled some
>>>> "essentials" :
>>>>
>>>> -- Next level in Vista "Pirated Edition" --
>>>>
>>>> Eval-status and Timebomb-checkers succesfully completely removed from
>>>> Slsvc / SLUI :
>>>>
>>>> together used with no Key ever typed in, this would mean Vista
>>>> unactivated, but running forever without any issues. Software Licensing
>>>> service no longer then works as MSFT has developped it to work, reduced
>>>> mode wont appear.
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://dl36l32.rapidshare.com/files/4989289/705207/DecompiledSLUI.jpg[/url]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> note :
>>>>
>>>> this is not my work, nor my screenshot, but found this discussion and
>>>> the link on a "enthusiast page".
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if this is exactly working, but the one is talking that it
>>>> does in the way that spp/Slsvc/SLui is out of service / acts only as
>>>> dummy.
>>>>
>>>> I just read about it somewhere and I find this VERY interesting that it
>>>> can be done without triggering reduced mode or other kill-switches -
>>>> that is what the topic is saying.
>>>>
>>>> any comments from all those saying it couldn't be done and sweared that
>>>> SPP is going to be the next unbreakable level in antipiracy ?
>>>>
>>>> The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto
>>>> together with those files via irc-channels and websites very well known
>>>> to MSFTs piracy department, so act or let it be.
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

The genuine windows program will still keep intelligent people from using
cracked versions. People who use the cracked versions won't be able to get
security updates, feature updates, download any other free or special
software from Microsoft.

And the glee they think they feel for having supposedly beaten the system is
not nearly as good of a feeling as the pride of ownership - of knowing you
have legitimately obtained the things you own - whether that is Windows or
the shirt on your back. That glee is a false satisfaction they create in
their own minds to cover up the guilt they feel underneath.

I can't imagine sitting my wife or my grandchildren down to a computer
running a stolen copy of Windows any more than I could sit them down to a
stolen computer.

Dale

"JustFYI ..." <barolo@yeah.net> wrote in message
news:OwqaU3fEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I do not encourage piracy with this news! Just for MSFT guys to be in the
>know what's going on :
>
> Found this news just on the net - a techguy has decompiled some
> "essentials" :
>
> -- Next level in Vista "Pirated Edition" --
>
> Eval-status and Timebomb-checkers succesfully completely removed from
> Slsvc / SLUI :
>
> together used with no Key ever typed in, this would mean Vista
> unactivated, but running forever without any issues. Software Licensing
> service no longer then works as MSFT has developped it to work, reduced
> mode wont appear.
>
> [url]http://dl36l32.rapidshare.com/files/4989289/705207/DecompiledSLUI.jpg[/url]
>
>
> note :
>
> this is not my work, nor my screenshot, but found this discussion and the
> link on a "enthusiast page".
>
> I don't know if this is exactly working, but the one is talking that it
> does in the way that spp/Slsvc/SLui is out of service / acts only as
> dummy.
>
> I just read about it somewhere and I find this VERY interesting that it
> can be done without triggering reduced mode or other kill-switches - that
> is what the topic is saying.
>
> any comments from all those saying it couldn't be done and sweared that
> SPP is going to be the next unbreakable level in antipiracy ?
>
> The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto together
> with those files via irc-channels and websites very well known to MSFTs
> piracy department, so act or let it be.
>
> .
>
>[/color]

>> The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto[color=blue][color=green]
>> together with those files via irc-channels and websites very well
>> known to MSFTs piracy department, so act or let it be.
>>
>> .[/color][/color]

sad thing is, MS would probably consider suing HIM for finding this issue.
not a CLUE what SLUI is, but 'decompiled' is probably against the
EULA.... reverse engineering/bypassing piracy check grounds i'd guess.

i know for certain that some people who do illegal things can make a
legal living out of it. car thief's and virus writers i've heard from
reliable sources get either car security jobs (see if they can bypass
the latest clifford alarm system etc), or get jobs on anti-virus
programs etc

to my knowledge there is only two types of anti-piracy method that
effectively works, and thats the latest starforce software, which doesnt
really work on ALL pc's, and certain combinations of hardware can bypass
without tweaking, and valves' steam software.
no-one could decrypt halflife2 files before it was due for release,
dispite having all game files on their local PC before that date
(pre-loaded).

Even if they sold Vista Ultimate for $49.95 people would still be pirating
it.

A person who is inclined to steal, will steal, if he/she thinks they can get
away with.

Microsoft is trying to make it difficult for people to get away with it.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:uft9JUjEHHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> They would never sell it so cheaply as to discourage pirates. This sort
> of thing is a never-ending battle.
>
> "Will " <imagine_44@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3226725B-5D2C-4AF7-9B5E-292A68A60CEC@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Well this is only a thought
>> But if you logically look at it, It would be fair to say that for every
>> legal copy of vista that MSFT sell there would be one less pirated copy
>> out there, and keeping that in mind if MSFT sold vista very cheaply, then
>> there would be far less incentive for people to use pirated copies, and
>> sales would go up this would ensure the financial losses are limited. The
>> only thing people would then complain about would be that MSFT would put
>> themselves in a position to dominate the software market more than they
>> do now.
>>
>> But this is only a thought, but probably worth considering seeing the
>> present anti piracy measures don't seem to be as effective as they were
>> intended to be.
>>
>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23tSn6UiEHHA.3576@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they
>>>> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their
>>>> efforts on SPP and WGA
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>> And most people against WGA N and SPP do use legal software and those
>>> who want to use pirated copies can always get what they want.
>>>
>>> LOL. Isn't it ironic?
>>>
>>> No only it failed to reduce its enemies, it created even more from those
>>> who were once its faithful customers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Will " <imagine_44@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:35C4E875-A966-4916-8007-9269650C4D7C@microsoft.com...
>>>> This was always going to happen no surprises here.
>>>>
>>>> I will buy a legal copy of Vista even if it is tempting to use a
>>>> cracked copy for some, it is something I would never do.
>>>>
>>>> I design websites and grahpics and it isn't nice to have work stolen
>>>> and piracy is definately theft.
>>>>
>>>> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they
>>>> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their
>>>> efforts on SPP and WGA
>>>>
>>>> "JustFYI ..." <barolo@yeah.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:OwqaU3fEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I do not encourage piracy with this news! Just for MSFT guys to be in
>>>>>the know what's going on :
>>>>>
>>>>> Found this news just on the net - a techguy has decompiled some
>>>>> "essentials" :
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Next level in Vista "Pirated Edition" --
>>>>>
>>>>> Eval-status and Timebomb-checkers succesfully completely removed from
>>>>> Slsvc / SLUI :
>>>>>
>>>>> together used with no Key ever typed in, this would mean Vista
>>>>> unactivated, but running forever without any issues. Software
>>>>> Licensing service no longer then works as MSFT has developped it to
>>>>> work, reduced mode wont appear.
>>>>>
>>>>> [url]http://dl36l32.rapidshare.com/files/4989289/705207/DecompiledSLUI.jpg[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> note :
>>>>>
>>>>> this is not my work, nor my screenshot, but found this discussion and
>>>>> the link on a "enthusiast page".
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if this is exactly working, but the one is talking that
>>>>> it does in the way that spp/Slsvc/SLui is out of service / acts only
>>>>> as dummy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just read about it somewhere and I find this VERY interesting that
>>>>> it can be done without triggering reduced mode or other
>>>>> kill-switches - that is what the topic is saying.
>>>>>
>>>>> any comments from all those saying it couldn't be done and sweared
>>>>> that SPP is going to be the next unbreakable level in antipiracy ?
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto
>>>>> together with those files via irc-channels and websites very well
>>>>> known to MSFTs piracy department, so act or let it be.
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

Unless pirates cannot make any money out of it, so what scenario will be
that?

I don't know, just a question.




"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:uft9JUjEHHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> They would never sell it so cheaply as to discourage pirates. This sort
> of thing is a never-ending battle.
>
> "Will " <imagine_44@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3226725B-5D2C-4AF7-9B5E-292A68A60CEC@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Well this is only a thought
>> But if you logically look at it, It would be fair to say that for every
>> legal copy of vista that MSFT sell there would be one less pirated copy
>> out there, and keeping that in mind if MSFT sold vista very cheaply, then
>> there would be far less incentive for people to use pirated copies, and
>> sales would go up this would ensure the financial losses are limited. The
>> only thing people would then complain about would be that MSFT would put
>> themselves in a position to dominate the software market more than they
>> do now.
>>
>> But this is only a thought, but probably worth considering seeing the
>> present anti piracy measures don't seem to be as effective as they were
>> intended to be.
>>
>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23tSn6UiEHHA.3576@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they
>>>> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their
>>>> efforts on SPP and WGA
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>> And most people against WGA N and SPP do use legal software and those
>>> who want to use pirated copies can always get what they want.
>>>
>>> LOL. Isn't it ironic?
>>>
>>> No only it failed to reduce its enemies, it created even more from those
>>> who were once its faithful customers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Will " <imagine_44@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:35C4E875-A966-4916-8007-9269650C4D7C@microsoft.com...
>>>> This was always going to happen no surprises here.
>>>>
>>>> I will buy a legal copy of Vista even if it is tempting to use a
>>>> cracked copy for some, it is something I would never do.
>>>>
>>>> I design websites and grahpics and it isn't nice to have work stolen
>>>> and piracy is definately theft.
>>>>
>>>> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they
>>>> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their
>>>> efforts on SPP and WGA
>>>>
>>>> "JustFYI ..." <barolo@yeah.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:OwqaU3fEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I do not encourage piracy with this news! Just for MSFT guys to be in
>>>>>the know what's going on :
>>>>>
>>>>> Found this news just on the net - a techguy has decompiled some
>>>>> "essentials" :
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Next level in Vista "Pirated Edition" --
>>>>>
>>>>> Eval-status and Timebomb-checkers succesfully completely removed from
>>>>> Slsvc / SLUI :
>>>>>
>>>>> together used with no Key ever typed in, this would mean Vista
>>>>> unactivated, but running forever without any issues. Software
>>>>> Licensing service no longer then works as MSFT has developped it to
>>>>> work, reduced mode wont appear.
>>>>>
>>>>> [url]http://dl36l32.rapidshare.com/files/4989289/705207/DecompiledSLUI.jpg[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> note :
>>>>>
>>>>> this is not my work, nor my screenshot, but found this discussion and
>>>>> the link on a "enthusiast page".
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if this is exactly working, but the one is talking that
>>>>> it does in the way that spp/Slsvc/SLui is out of service / acts only
>>>>> as dummy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just read about it somewhere and I find this VERY interesting that
>>>>> it can be done without triggering reduced mode or other
>>>>> kill-switches - that is what the topic is saying.
>>>>>
>>>>> any comments from all those saying it couldn't be done and sweared
>>>>> that SPP is going to be the next unbreakable level in antipiracy ?
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto
>>>>> together with those files via irc-channels and websites very well
>>>>> known to MSFTs piracy department, so act or let it be.
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

Tim Draper wrote:[color=blue]
>
> to my knowledge there is only two types of anti-piracy method that
> effectively works, and thats the latest starforce software, which
> doesnt really work on ALL pc's, and certain combinations of hardware
> can bypass without tweaking, and valves' steam software.
> no-one could decrypt halflife2 files before it was due for release,
> dispite having all game files on their local PC before that date
> (pre-loaded).[/color]

The only effective anti-piracy measure is societal pressure. It's like
drinking and driving. Thirty years ago it was acceptable behaviour. Everyone
knew it was wrong but a lot of people did it. Many bragged about it. The
laws haven't changed that much but society (in Canada and the US) has
changed so that now it is socially unacceptable behaviour. Far fewer people
drink and drive now and if they do are much more discreet about it. You can
pass all the laws you want, use any anti-piracy measures imbedded in a
program, whatever, until people's attitudes about piracy change it will
exist. If Microsoft and other companies spent the same amount of money on
advertising and propaganda to change societies attitude about piracy they
would have much better results in the long term. Unfortunately the bean
counters and shareholders don't really think long term and want numbers they
can see right now. It may also be much harder to impossible to change
attitudes in other cultures. I think we are stuck with ant-piracy measures
built into programs. Hopefully over time they will become less intrusive and
more effective.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
[url]www.vistahelp.ca[/url]

And what about a leak from the inside?

Most business secrets are actually leaked from inside of the company.


"Tim Draper" <veehexx_dirtyspam@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:cdOdneiWOcmRn_bYRVnygQ@bt.com...[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto
>>> together with those files via irc-channels and websites very well known
>>> to MSFTs piracy department, so act or let it be.
>>>
>>> .[/color][/color]
>
> sad thing is, MS would probably consider suing HIM for finding this issue.
> not a CLUE what SLUI is, but 'decompiled' is probably against the EULA....
> reverse engineering/bypassing piracy check grounds i'd guess.
>
> i know for certain that some people who do illegal things can make a legal
> living out of it. car thief's and virus writers i've heard from reliable
> sources get either car security jobs (see if they can bypass the latest
> clifford alarm system etc), or get jobs on anti-virus programs etc
>
> to my knowledge there is only two types of anti-piracy method that
> effectively works, and thats the latest starforce software, which doesnt
> really work on ALL pc's, and certain combinations of hardware can bypass
> without tweaking, and valves' steam software.
> no-one could decrypt halflife2 files before it was due for release,
> dispite having all game files on their local PC before that date
> (pre-loaded).[/color]

xfile wrote:[color=blue]
> Unless pirates cannot make any money out of it, so what scenario will
> be that?
>
> I don't know, just a question.
>
>[/color]
I recall somebody once said about car thefts in the U.K. that if you left a
10p piece in your car in plain view that someone might smash your window to
steal it. From their point of view they are 10p better off. The fact that
you are £80 worse off (because of the repair) is irrelevant to them.

Just a thought.

--

John (was Bioboffin)

But not nearly as many people would pirate Vista. Price is the major factor
in pirating.


"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
news:%23FlHYrjEHHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Even if they sold Vista Ultimate for $49.95 people would still be pirating
> it.
>
> A person who is inclined to steal, will steal, if he/she thinks they can
> get away with.
>
> Microsoft is trying to make it difficult for people to get away with it.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:uft9JUjEHHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> They would never sell it so cheaply as to discourage pirates. This sort
>> of thing is a never-ending battle.
>>
>> "Will " <imagine_44@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:3226725B-5D2C-4AF7-9B5E-292A68A60CEC@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Well this is only a thought
>>> But if you logically look at it, It would be fair to say that for every
>>> legal copy of vista that MSFT sell there would be one less pirated copy
>>> out there, and keeping that in mind if MSFT sold vista very cheaply,
>>> then there would be far less incentive for people to use pirated copies,
>>> and sales would go up this would ensure the financial losses are
>>> limited. The only thing people would then complain about would be that
>>> MSFT would put themselves in a position to dominate the software market
>>> more than they do now.
>>>
>>> But this is only a thought, but probably worth considering seeing the
>>> present anti piracy measures don't seem to be as effective as they were
>>> intended to be.
>>>
>>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23tSn6UiEHHA.3576@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they
>>>>> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their
>>>>> efforts on SPP and WGA
>>>>
>>>> Exactly.
>>>>
>>>> And most people against WGA N and SPP do use legal software and those
>>>> who want to use pirated copies can always get what they want.
>>>>
>>>> LOL. Isn't it ironic?
>>>>
>>>> No only it failed to reduce its enemies, it created even more from
>>>> those who were once its faithful customers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Will " <imagine_44@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:35C4E875-A966-4916-8007-9269650C4D7C@microsoft.com...
>>>>> This was always going to happen no surprises here.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will buy a legal copy of Vista even if it is tempting to use a
>>>>> cracked copy for some, it is something I would never do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I design websites and grahpics and it isn't nice to have work stolen
>>>>> and piracy is definately theft.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I guess if MSFT is really serious about fighting piracy, then they
>>>>> need to seriously look into alternatives and not focus all their
>>>>> efforts on SPP and WGA
>>>>>
>>>>> "JustFYI ..." <barolo@yeah.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OwqaU3fEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>I do not encourage piracy with this news! Just for MSFT guys to be in
>>>>>>the know what's going on :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Found this news just on the net - a techguy has decompiled some
>>>>>> "essentials" :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Next level in Vista "Pirated Edition" --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eval-status and Timebomb-checkers succesfully completely removed
>>>>>> from Slsvc / SLUI :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> together used with no Key ever typed in, this would mean Vista
>>>>>> unactivated, but running forever without any issues. Software
>>>>>> Licensing service no longer then works as MSFT has developped it to
>>>>>> work, reduced mode wont appear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [url]http://dl36l32.rapidshare.com/files/4989289/705207/DecompiledSLUI.jpg[/url]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> note :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this is not my work, nor my screenshot, but found this discussion and
>>>>>> the link on a "enthusiast page".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if this is exactly working, but the one is talking that
>>>>>> it does in the way that spp/Slsvc/SLui is out of service / acts only
>>>>>> as dummy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just read about it somewhere and I find this VERY interesting that
>>>>>> it can be done without triggering reduced mode or other
>>>>>> kill-switches - that is what the topic is saying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any comments from all those saying it couldn't be done and sweared
>>>>>> that SPP is going to be the next unbreakable level in antipiracy ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The guy that has this done claims he is going to publish an howto
>>>>>> together with those files via irc-channels and websites very well
>>>>>> known to MSFTs piracy department, so act or let it be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]