No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!

Did Microsoft not allow this to piss me off or what?

ss.

At first i would have said performance reasons, but the tool tip on the
folder has the info on folder size. I assume it is done for network perf
reasons? Sure seems by design though

--
Josh


You never know what you might learn - [url]http://windowsconnected.com[/url]

"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message
news:ubHKxcQEHHA.992@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!
>
> Did Microsoft not allow this to piss me off or what?
>
> ss.[/color]

Mr. Synapse--

Absolutely there is and much more.

I don't doubt there are a couple thousand at Redmond feverishly trying to
piss you off--and they are obsessed with nothing else. I saw a lot of those
pics at Building 26 with those wild and crazy PMs running around with signs
that said "Piss the synapes off at all costs."

Meanwhile you can organize explorer folders in Vista dozens of ways, and
size is available in any view but you're looking for it in the wrong area.

Open a folder>right click on the lower left square where the folder is
pictured or the icon you have subbed for the folder (with the number of
items listed to the right of it)>in the context menu>sort by/group by/stack
by(size, etc.)/ and if you click the listing "more" at the bottom of the
context menu, there are well over 100 criteria including size.

CH


"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message
news:ubHKxcQEHHA.992@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!
>
> Did Microsoft not allow this to piss me off or what?
>
> ss.[/color]

On 26/11/2006 in message <ubHKxcQEHHA.992@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> Synapse
Syndrome wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!
>
>Did Microsoft not allow this to piss me off or what?
>
>ss.[/color]

There has never been an entry for size of a folder has there, only files
have a size.

Have you noticed that whatever view you choose in Explorer the ListViev
columns still show?

--
Jeff Gaines

1) I have hundreds of folders within folders, files within those folders,
and files within the larger folders that house more folders. I have
thoroughly integrated them since the first time I used a flavor of Windows
years ago. In Vista and XP the size is a category in ANY VIEW offered--I
could easily screenshot--and both FILES and FOLDERS have their size given in
a size category in ANY view and on mouseover and they are not just files.

2) It is simply not correct that there is no folder or file size in any
view.

3) It is simply not true that whatever view you choose in explorer the "List
view columns show." On the contrary. Whatever columns show IN ANY VIEW is
completely determined by this and if you say that, you haven't tried it or
found it:

This is the way you tailor what columns show in any view and it has NOTHING
to do with a persistence in ANY VIEW INCLUDING LIST:

1) Go to the bottom of the folder on the left where if you create a new
folder on your desktop there will be a new folder icon in the lower left
corner or if like I always do you substitute one of thousands of favicons in
your favicon collection or one of thousands of icons native to Windows
Vista, it's .dlls, .exes, and its downloaded programs and zip files via the
Change or Modify Icon dialogue box. If you have named the folder it will
have the name of the folder. If you have subbed an icon for the folder,
that icon will be there.

2) Right click that folder or icon and in the categories listed there that
look like this:

Sort By
Group By
Stack By

Name
Date Modified
Type
Size
Ascending
Descending

More

Click MORE and you will have the opportunity to customize and choose and
TAILOR WHICH OF OVER 120 column headings you want to confer on whichever
view you then choose and whichever way you choose to sort, group, or stack.

The way I do it because it works for me and is analagous to the Show in
Groups that was brought in during Windows XP is to go up to name where y ou
can choose

Sort
Group
Stack by Name

and I choose Stck by Name because this is analagous to the bold headings of
an index in a book except that they are headings now in Vista and I would
have made them more bold. By name means they will be grouped alphabetically
and then for the column headings I want, I do what I described above.

For my downloads folder, I choose Sort by "Date Modified" or I just do that
after a download so that I can easily locate many of the non-ituitively
named downloads with characters and less obvious names on them. Everyone
knows what I mean by that, because everyone sees those.


For ref:

Vista Folder FAQ
[url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/8eb3b0f8-533a-4e63-b967-b090a7912cc71033.mspx[/url]

Press Alt Key to Show Menus in Explorer Folders Vista
[url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/637ba0fa-7408-48bf-b7d5-7b0085dd9e081033.mspx[/url]

Windows Explorer Vista
[url]http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_explorer.htm[/url]

Organize Folders Vista
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experiences/productivity.mspx[/url]

Windows Vista Folders
[url]http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_virtual.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.tech-recipes.com/windows_tips1409.html[/url]

Shell Team Video Exploring and Using Vista
[url]http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=114710[/url]

Paul Thurrott Explorer in Vista
[url]http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_05.asp[/url]

[url]http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_beta1_02.asp[/url]

[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experiences/design.mspx[/url]

CH



"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0eu68o4z36u7000@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> On 26/11/2006 in message <ubHKxcQEHHA.992@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> Synapse
> Syndrome wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!
>>
>>Did Microsoft not allow this to piss me off or what?
>>
>>ss.[/color]
>
> There has never been an entry for size of a folder has there, only files
> have a size.
>
> Have you noticed that whatever view you choose in Explorer the ListViev
> columns still show?
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines[/color]

If you right click on any folder and select properties you will get the size
and size on disk as well as sub file and folder count.


"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0eu68o4z36u7000@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> On 26/11/2006 in message <ubHKxcQEHHA.992@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> Synapse
> Syndrome wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!
>>
>>Did Microsoft not allow this to piss me off or what?
>>
>>ss.[/color]
>
> There has never been an entry for size of a folder has there, only files
> have a size.
>
> Have you noticed that whatever view you choose in Explorer the ListViev
> columns still show?
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines[/color]

On 26/11/2006 in message <e7Abo6WEHHA.3660@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> Chad
Harris wrote:
[color=blue]
>1) I have hundreds of folders within folders, files within those folders,
>and files within the larger folders that house more folders. I have
>thoroughly integrated them since the first time I used a flavor of Windows
>years ago. In Vista and XP the size is a category in ANY VIEW offered--I
>could easily screenshot--and both FILES and FOLDERS have their size given
>in a size category in ANY view and on mouseover and they are not just
>files.[/color]

I have just checked in XP and there is no entry in the 'Size' column for
folders, never has been. I turn off the pop up stuff, it just gets in the
way.
[color=blue]
>2) It is simply not correct that there is no folder or file size in any
>view.[/color]

It's certainly true for me, in W2K, XP and Vista.

[color=blue]
>3) It is simply not true that whatever view you choose in explorer the
>"List view columns show." On the contrary. Whatever columns show IN ANY
>VIEW is completely determined by this and if you say that, you haven't
>tried it or found it:[/color]

I select the view from the drop down menu, if I switch views the columns
are still there.
[color=blue]
>This is the way you tailor what columns show in any view and it has
>NOTHING to do with a persistence in ANY VIEW INCLUDING LIST:[/color]

[snipped]

I don't use custom views, I always use details view. It was when I was
experimenting I discovered the column headers still show whatever view I
choose.

--
Jeff Gaines

Jeff --

If I'm understanding you correctly, I think that you can modify those column
heads by going to that icon/folder at the lower left of your explorer folder
window and right clicking>and highlighting sort by/group by/stack by/and by
clicking on any of those menu choices click "more" which gives you over 120
choices for COLUMN HEADERS which will apply whichever view you use including
DETAILS. It's working for me.

CH


"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0eu6mepx6i2001@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> On 26/11/2006 in message <e7Abo6WEHHA.3660@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> Chad
> Harris wrote:
>[color=green]
>>1) I have hundreds of folders within folders, files within those folders,
>>and files within the larger folders that house more folders. I have
>>thoroughly integrated them since the first time I used a flavor of Windows
>>years ago. In Vista and XP the size is a category in ANY VIEW offered--I
>>could easily screenshot--and both FILES and FOLDERS have their size given
>>in a size category in ANY view and on mouseover and they are not just
>>files.[/color]
>
> I have just checked in XP and there is no entry in the 'Size' column for
> folders, never has been. I turn off the pop up stuff, it just gets in the
> way.
>[color=green]
>>2) It is simply not correct that there is no folder or file size in any
>>view.[/color]
>
> It's certainly true for me, in W2K, XP and Vista.
>
>[color=green]
>>3) It is simply not true that whatever view you choose in explorer the
>>"List view columns show." On the contrary. Whatever columns show IN ANY
>>VIEW is completely determined by this and if you say that, you haven't
>>tried it or found it:[/color]
>
> I select the view from the drop down menu, if I switch views the columns
> are still there.
>[color=green]
>>This is the way you tailor what columns show in any view and it has
>>NOTHING to do with a persistence in ANY VIEW INCLUDING LIST:[/color]
>
> [snipped]
>
> I don't use custom views, I always use details view. It was when I was
> experimenting I discovered the column headers still show whatever view I
> choose.
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines[/color]

"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0eu6mepx6i2001@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue][color=green]
> > 2) It is simply not correct that there is no folder or file size in any
> > view.[/color]
>
> It's certainly true for me, in W2K, XP and Vista.
>[/color]


With XP I use this program called TreeSize Pro, which gives a column in
details view of folder sizes, as well as other cool things. In Vista this
column doesn't appear.

If Treesize can do this in XP, I don't really see why MS decided not to.

[url]http://www.jam-software.com/treesize/[/url]

[url]http://www.jam-software.com/treesize/screenshots/TreeSizeExplorerContext_en.gif[/url]

ss.

"Chad Harris" <FixVista'nRedmondToo@kickit.net> wrote in message
news:%23YZRfkREHHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Mr. Synapse--
>
> Absolutely there is and much more.
>
> I don't doubt there are a couple thousand at Redmond feverishly trying to
> piss you off--and they are obsessed with nothing else. I saw a lot of
> those pics at Building 26 with those wild and crazy PMs running around
> with signs that said "Piss the synapes off at all costs."[/color]

I actually believe you.
[color=blue]
> Meanwhile you can organize explorer folders in Vista dozens of ways, and
> size is available in any view but you're looking for it in the wrong area.
>
> Open a folder>right click on the lower left square where the folder is
> pictured or the icon you have subbed for the folder (with the number of
> items listed to the right of it)>in the context menu>sort by/group
> by/stack by(size, etc.)/ and if you click the listing "more" at the bottom
> of the context menu, there are well over 100 criteria including size.[/color]


This doesn't give folder sizes in that column though, only for files.

ss.

On 26/11/2006 in message <OuTLu#XEHHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> John
Barnes wrote:
[color=blue]
>If you right click on any folder and select properties you will get the
>size and size on disk as well as sub file and folder count.[/color]

I appreciate that but what the OP said was :
[color=blue]
>No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?![/color]

And I replied that I had never seen an entry for Folder Size on Explorer -
folders don't have a size.

--
Jeff Gaines

On 26/11/2006 in message <OQnkgYYEHHA.992@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> Chad
Harris wrote:
[color=blue]
>Jeff --
>
>If I'm understanding you correctly, I think that you can modify those
>column heads by going to that icon/folder at the lower left of your
>explorer folder window and right clicking>and highlighting sort by/group
>by/stack by/and by clicking on any of those menu choices click "more"
>which gives you over 120 choices for COLUMN HEADERS which will apply
>whichever view you use including DETAILS. It's working for me.[/color]

The only problem with choice is you have to make a decision :-)

I still don't believe there is an entry for folder size though which is
what the OP was implying.

Have you noticed the column headers still show even when you're not using
details view?

--
Jeff Gaines

Jeff--

The only column headers that show are the ones I choose to have show and I
can change that in any view the way I said or I can make them go away
completely by right clicking that folder icon or other icon on the lower
left. John Barnes pointed out how you can get a size assessment but I am
talking columns that show or don't show according to what I select in the
heading "MORE" as I said.

If I go to the ole list of columns and take out the checkmarks and all the
columns go bye bye regardless of the View.

CH

"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0eu6nxs2zrf0003@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> On 26/11/2006 in message <OuTLu#XEHHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> John
> Barnes wrote:
>[color=green]
>>If you right click on any folder and select properties you will get the
>>size and size on disk as well as sub file and folder count.[/color]
>
> I appreciate that but what the OP said was :
>[color=green]
>>No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?![/color]
>
> And I replied that I had never seen an entry for Folder Size on Explorer -
> folders don't have a size.
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines[/color]

Hey
Nice Aero color!!
lol
Did ya get my correct e-mail?

Jeffie-lol I said jeffie lol

"Chad Harris" <FixVista'nRedmondToo@kickit.net> wrote in message
news:OpSW9DaEHHA.3524@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Jeff--
>
> The only column headers that show are the ones I choose to have show and I
> can change that in any view the way I said or I can make them go away
> completely by right clicking that folder icon or other icon on the lower
> left. John Barnes pointed out how you can get a size assessment but I am
> talking columns that show or don't show according to what I select in the
> heading "MORE" as I said.
>
> If I go to the ole list of columns and take out the checkmarks and all
> the
> columns go bye bye regardless of the View.
>
> CH
>
> "Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
> news:xn0eu6nxs2zrf0003@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> On 26/11/2006 in message <OuTLu#XEHHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> John
>> Barnes wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>If you right click on any folder and select properties you will get the
>>>size and size on disk as well as sub file and folder count.[/color]
>>
>> I appreciate that but what the OP said was :
>>[color=darkred]
>>>No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?![/color]
>>
>> And I replied that I had never seen an entry for Folder Size on
>> Explorer -
>> folders don't have a size.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Gaines[/color]
>[/color]

On 26/11/2006 in message <OpSW9DaEHHA.3524@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> Chad
Harris wrote:
[color=blue]
>Jeff--
>
>The only column headers that show are the ones I choose to have show and I
>can change that in any view the way I said or I can make them go away
>completely by right clicking that folder icon or other icon on the lower
>left. John Barnes pointed out how you can get a size assessment but I am
>talking columns that show or don't show according to what I select in the
>heading "MORE" as I said.[/color]

This is getting a bit convoluted!

The standard behaviour for a ListView is that columns are only shown in
details view. Have a look at Explorer in XP, you shouldn't see any column
headers in any other view except details whatever column choices you have
made. They don't make sense since the data in the ListView is not lined up
with the columns. If I switch to an icon view in Vista the headers are
still there and one icon is in a column called 'Name' and the next icon is
in a column called 'Date Modified' and so on, it doesn't make any sense at
all. Just switch between views and look at it :-)

I reckon an MS programmer has missed that completely and nobody has picked
it up.

--
Jeff Gaines