Josh --


Every sanctimonious MSFT syncophant aka the "SSSSS aka 5S club"
(Santimonious Schadenfreud Sanfreud Softie Syncophants who are chiming in
here--you know who you are with this phony crap and you aren't the only ones
who Beta tested, after cheerfully recieving their swag, and free Vista and
chronically and rellpasingly remittingly beggingfor it for months and months
and months on the Beta Cafe and General group like a 3 year old asking mommy
for some candy, is missing the point.

I didn't btw see anyone talking about MSDN and Technet and Volume license
subscribers who are paying throug the nose for heavily promoted limited
value--always have been and always will be. People understand those folks
pay and if any of them join to get a beta they are stupid beyond belief in
contrast to what one would normally hope an MSDN or Technet subscriber would
be. It's not my experience at all in attending any of those meetings that
those people aren't a homogenously bright capable group of people who get
MSDN or Technet subscriptions for a variety of constructive, productive
reasons. And hey FYI Kevin the Pan aka the Redmond Cop Wannabe has one type
of MSDN subscription so need we say more?

All this crap that is false about dedication is mind blowing in it's
disingenous hypocrisy. Less than 5% of anyone on the TBT participated to
any extent in any of those things that Wendy J. Stidmon, Anna "B"
Benesovska, Tenny Cho, Christina Hughes, Sam White, or Paul Donnelly
proferred on the Beta groups to encourage feedback that fell on very tin
ears. So I'd take issue with your and other people's portrayal that all of
these 30,000 beta testers or a percent above 5% were heavily involved in
hard work or inconvenience. They wanted to be in the "in crowd" via the
principle of Schadenfreude

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source scha·den·freu·de
(shädn-froid) Pronunciation Key
n.

Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.

WordNet - Cite This Source
Schadenfreude

n : delight in another person's misfortune [syn: Schadenfreude]

WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University


I enjoy your site. Keep up the good work.

CH





"Josh" <josh@windowsconnected.com> wrote in message
news:B997BBCA-8E50-4B15-98DD-C05590B65597@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Wow, Ok first off Microsoft has not given MSDN or Technet Subscribers
> anything. They purchased it. Those programs aren't free. The Technical
> Beta participants who have been in this program FAR FAR longer than the
> CPP
> has even been around do much much more than just file a couple of bugs.
> They are responsible for feature focus testing each week. They have to
> rebuild there systems far more often than someone in the CPP who only got
> 2
> downloads.
>
> Now I agree that this program certainly helps and I am sure that Microsoft
> appreciates the testing, but is it the same level of commitment that was
> put
> in by the Tech Beta participants...NO WAY.
>
>
> --
> Josh
> [url]http://windowsconnected.com[/url]
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> It's been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been doing
>> it
>> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
>> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
>> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product when
>> no
>> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
>> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
>> slapped
>> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview program
>> I
>> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
>> because I
>> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
>> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
>> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people
>> who
>> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not
>> have
>> a heart, all they care about is money.
>>
>> ----------------
>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> "I
>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> this
>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> then
>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>
>> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=53678cbe-647e-45b3-a516-7b6548691df8&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]
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Micro$oft owes every person who turned in a bug report a complementry copy of
VI$TA. OH, I could get VI$TA now, an MSDN subscription fee is $699.00,
minimum package, going up to $1,000.
If I go to Micro$oft Technet it is $349.00 for a basic subscription, but
Technet releases Beta software only, so VI$TA RTM isn't an option. I would
Just buy it from Microsoft, but the LOSERS missed out on the Christmas buying
season! C'mon guys, you had 6 years to develop this thing! How unfair and
pathetic to miss out on the buying season with a new OS. LOSERS! So, instead
of just selling the RTM online, VIA a download, they make everyone wait
until almost February to get it, January 30th. The company is clearly being
mismanaged. So technet subscribers, probably because Micro$oft felt sorry
for them, gave them a copy. I mean, after all they DID pay to BEta test the
stuff. Me, I was invited VIA multiple e-mails to test RC1 and RC2. I refuse
to pay Micro$oft to beta test their ****. I am a wee bit smarter than that.

"Chad Harris" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Josh --
>
>
> Every sanctimonious MSFT syncophant aka the "SSSSS aka 5S club"
> (Santimonious Schadenfreud Sanfreud Softie Syncophants who are chiming in
> here--you know who you are with this phony crap and you aren't the only ones
> who Beta tested, after cheerfully recieving their swag, and free Vista and
> chronically and rellpasingly remittingly beggingfor it for months and months
> and months on the Beta Cafe and General group like a 3 year old asking mommy
> for some candy, is missing the point.
>
> I didn't btw see anyone talking about MSDN and Technet and Volume license
> subscribers who are paying throug the nose for heavily promoted limited
> value--always have been and always will be. People understand those folks
> pay and if any of them join to get a beta they are stupid beyond belief in
> contrast to what one would normally hope an MSDN or Technet subscriber would
> be. It's not my experience at all in attending any of those meetings that
> those people aren't a homogenously bright capable group of people who get
> MSDN or Technet subscriptions for a variety of constructive, productive
> reasons. And hey FYI Kevin the Pan aka the Redmond Cop Wannabe has one type
> of MSDN subscription so need we say more?
>
> All this crap that is false about dedication is mind blowing in it's
> disingenous hypocrisy. Less than 5% of anyone on the TBT participated to
> any extent in any of those things that Wendy J. Stidmon, Anna "B"
> Benesovska, Tenny Cho, Christina Hughes, Sam White, or Paul Donnelly
> proferred on the Beta groups to encourage feedback that fell on very tin
> ears. So I'd take issue with your and other people's portrayal that all of
> these 30,000 beta testers or a percent above 5% were heavily involved in
> hard work or inconvenience. They wanted to be in the "in crowd" via the
> principle of Schadenfreude
>
> American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source scha·den·freu·de
> (shädn-froid) Pronunciation Key
> n.
>
> Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.
>
> WordNet - Cite This Source
> Schadenfreude
>
> n : delight in another person's misfortune [syn: Schadenfreude]
>
> WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
>
>
> I enjoy your site. Keep up the good work.
>
> CH
>
>
>
>
>
> "Josh" <josh@windowsconnected.com> wrote in message
> news:B997BBCA-8E50-4B15-98DD-C05590B65597@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > Wow, Ok first off Microsoft has not given MSDN or Technet Subscribers
> > anything. They purchased it. Those programs aren't free. The Technical
> > Beta participants who have been in this program FAR FAR longer than the
> > CPP
> > has even been around do much much more than just file a couple of bugs.
> > They are responsible for feature focus testing each week. They have to
> > rebuild there systems far more often than someone in the CPP who only got
> > 2
> > downloads.
> >
> > Now I agree that this program certainly helps and I am sure that Microsoft
> > appreciates the testing, but is it the same level of commitment that was
> > put
> > in by the Tech Beta participants...NO WAY.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Josh
> > [url]http://windowsconnected.com[/url]
> >
> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> >> It's been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been doing
> >> it
> >> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
> >> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
> >> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product when
> >> no
> >> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
> >> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
> >> slapped
> >> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview program
> >> I
> >> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
> >> because I
> >> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
> >> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
> >> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people
> >> who
> >> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not
> >> have
> >> a heart, all they care about is money.
> >>
> >> ----------------
> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
> >> "I
> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> >> this
> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
> >> then
> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >>
> >> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=53678cbe-647e-45b3-a516-7b6548691df8&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]
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Actually, Jon as far as the wait, Comp USA is going to begin selling it in
12 days on the 30th of this month if you're interested in buying it. Mr.
Branigan who should have known and works for MSFT was unaware of this. I
believe they won't be selling Ultimate, but you can check on the link--it
seems they'll be selling Vista Business and Office 2007 SB.

[url]www.betanews.com/article/CompUSA_to_Sell_Vista_November_30/1163457246[/url]

I wouldn't waste a helluva lot of time crying about what MSFT does or
doesn't do or what they give away. We'll grant you that a lot of people in
the CPP worked just as hard, are just as worthy, that despite the nebulous
criteria Branigan offers, selection may not be fair just as it wasn't for
Queen Victoria and her hemophelia gene.

What Branigan, who has offered critieria for Beta selection didn't say was
that people who have been on previous Betas have an edge torward getting on
the two most people want --Office or the OS that comes out around every 5-6
years.

He doesn't offer what you do to crash this congenital disposition to get on
the OS beta. One guy sent Paul Donnelly chocolate, and as far as I can
tell, Donnelly has a sweet tooth and likes cars.

Just pick out the stuff you like and boost your learning curves. I wouldn't
let MSFT get you down. Just take from it what makes you happy learning
wise.

CH















"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:CA5FBC5B-2E12-4E06-AECF-75C210423B5E@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Micro$oft owes every person who turned in a bug report a complementry copy
> of
> VI$TA. OH, I could get VI$TA now, an MSDN subscription fee is $699.00,
> minimum package, going up to $1,000.
> If I go to Micro$oft Technet it is $349.00 for a basic subscription, but
> Technet releases Beta software only, so VI$TA RTM isn't an option. I
> would
> Just buy it from Microsoft, but the LOSERS missed out on the Christmas
> buying
> season! C'mon guys, you had 6 years to develop this thing! How unfair
> and
> pathetic to miss out on the buying season with a new OS. LOSERS! So,
> instead
> of just selling the RTM online, VIA a download, they make everyone wait
> until almost February to get it, January 30th. The company is clearly
> being
> mismanaged. So technet subscribers, probably because Micro$oft felt sorry
> for them, gave them a copy. I mean, after all they DID pay to BEta test
> the
> stuff. Me, I was invited VIA multiple e-mails to test RC1 and RC2. I
> refuse
> to pay Micro$oft to beta test their ****. I am a wee bit smarter than
> that.
>
> "Chad Harris" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Josh --
>>
>>
>> Every sanctimonious MSFT syncophant aka the "SSSSS aka 5S club"
>> (Santimonious Schadenfreud Sanfreud Softie Syncophants who are chiming
>> in
>> here--you know who you are with this phony crap and you aren't the only
>> ones
>> who Beta tested, after cheerfully recieving their swag, and free Vista
>> and
>> chronically and rellpasingly remittingly beggingfor it for months and
>> months
>> and months on the Beta Cafe and General group like a 3 year old asking
>> mommy
>> for some candy, is missing the point.
>>
>> I didn't btw see anyone talking about MSDN and Technet and Volume license
>> subscribers who are paying throug the nose for heavily promoted limited
>> value--always have been and always will be. People understand those
>> folks
>> pay and if any of them join to get a beta they are stupid beyond belief
>> in
>> contrast to what one would normally hope an MSDN or Technet subscriber
>> would
>> be. It's not my experience at all in attending any of those meetings
>> that
>> those people aren't a homogenously bright capable group of people who get
>> MSDN or Technet subscriptions for a variety of constructive, productive
>> reasons. And hey FYI Kevin the Pan aka the Redmond Cop Wannabe has one
>> type
>> of MSDN subscription so need we say more?
>>
>> All this crap that is false about dedication is mind blowing in it's
>> disingenous hypocrisy. Less than 5% of anyone on the TBT participated to
>> any extent in any of those things that Wendy J. Stidmon, Anna "B"
>> Benesovska, Tenny Cho, Christina Hughes, Sam White, or Paul Donnelly
>> proferred on the Beta groups to encourage feedback that fell on very tin
>> ears. So I'd take issue with your and other people's portrayal that all
>> of
>> these 30,000 beta testers or a percent above 5% were heavily involved in
>> hard work or inconvenience. They wanted to be in the "in crowd" via the
>> principle of Schadenfreude
>>
>> American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source scha·den·freu·de
>> (shädn-froid) Pronunciation Key
>> n.
>>
>> Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.
>>
>> WordNet - Cite This Source
>> Schadenfreude
>>
>> n : delight in another person's misfortune [syn: Schadenfreude]
>>
>> WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
>>
>>
>> I enjoy your site. Keep up the good work.
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Josh" <josh@windowsconnected.com> wrote in message
>> news:B997BBCA-8E50-4B15-98DD-C05590B65597@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> > Wow, Ok first off Microsoft has not given MSDN or Technet Subscribers
>> > anything. They purchased it. Those programs aren't free. The
>> > Technical
>> > Beta participants who have been in this program FAR FAR longer than the
>> > CPP
>> > has even been around do much much more than just file a couple of bugs.
>> > They are responsible for feature focus testing each week. They have to
>> > rebuild there systems far more often than someone in the CPP who only
>> > got
>> > 2
>> > downloads.
>> >
>> > Now I agree that this program certainly helps and I am sure that
>> > Microsoft
>> > appreciates the testing, but is it the same level of commitment that
>> > was
>> > put
>> > in by the Tech Beta participants...NO WAY.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Josh
>> > [url]http://windowsconnected.com[/url]
>> >
>> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> > news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
>> >> It's been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been
>> >> doing
>> >> it
>> >> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
>> >> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care
>> >> to
>> >> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product
>> >> when
>> >> no
>> >> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away
>> >> 'complimentary'
>> >> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
>> >> slapped
>> >> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview
>> >> program
>> >> I
>> >> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
>> >> because I
>> >> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and
>> >> better
>> >> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
>> >> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the
>> >> people
>> >> who
>> >> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does
>> >> not
>> >> have
>> >> a heart, all they care about is money.
>> >>
>> >> ----------------
>> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>> >> the
>> >> "I
>> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>> >> follow
>> >> this
>> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> >> then
>> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >>
>> >> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=53678cbe-647e-45b3-a516-7b6548691df8&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url]
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After reading so many posts, can't help to make the following comments:

Only morons would pay subscription fees for beta testing software, and in
the mean time, feeling somewhat prestigious about it. Only one word -
idiot.

A free copy? Only in your dream! They know very well that a bunch of morons
are lining up for paying them to test the software, with the risk of of
ruing own systems, do you think they care about you and will give you a free
copy?

Do you think they'd even appreciate YOUR efforts? Can you be even more
naive?

The only reason I downloaded and tested software is to see if it's worth our
money. You and other morons who are willing to spend money already spoiled
the company and now are demanding them to respect you? LOL.

If you and others are smart enough, you should be waiting for them to beg
you to download trial software!

Act like a consumer and stop being like a slave!


"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:CA5FBC5B-2E12-4E06-AECF-75C210423B5E@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Micro$oft owes every person who turned in a bug report a complementry copy
> of
> VI$TA. OH, I could get VI$TA now, an MSDN subscription fee is $699.00,
> minimum package, going up to $1,000.
> If I go to Micro$oft Technet it is $349.00 for a basic subscription, but
> Technet releases Beta software only, so VI$TA RTM isn't an option. I
> would
> Just buy it from Microsoft, but the LOSERS missed out on the Christmas
> buying
> season! C'mon guys, you had 6 years to develop this thing! How unfair
> and
> pathetic to miss out on the buying season with a new OS. LOSERS! So,
> instead
> of just selling the RTM online, VIA a download, they make everyone wait
> until almost February to get it, January 30th. The company is clearly
> being
> mismanaged. So technet subscribers, probably because Micro$oft felt sorry
> for them, gave them a copy. I mean, after all they DID pay to BEta test
> the
> stuff. Me, I was invited VIA multiple e-mails to test RC1 and RC2. I
> refuse
> to pay Micro$oft to beta test their ****. I am a wee bit smarter than
> that.
>
> "Chad Harris" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Josh --
>>
>>
>> Every sanctimonious MSFT syncophant aka the "SSSSS aka 5S club"
>> (Santimonious Schadenfreud Sanfreud Softie Syncophants who are chiming
>> in
>> here--you know who you are with this phony crap and you aren't the only
>> ones
>> who Beta tested, after cheerfully recieving their swag, and free Vista
>> and
>> chronically and rellpasingly remittingly beggingfor it for months and
>> months
>> and months on the Beta Cafe and General group like a 3 year old asking
>> mommy
>> for some candy, is missing the point.
>>
>> I didn't btw see anyone talking about MSDN and Technet and Volume license
>> subscribers who are paying throug the nose for heavily promoted limited
>> value--always have been and always will be. People understand those
>> folks
>> pay and if any of them join to get a beta they are stupid beyond belief
>> in
>> contrast to what one would normally hope an MSDN or Technet subscriber
>> would
>> be. It's not my experience at all in attending any of those meetings
>> that
>> those people aren't a homogenously bright capable group of people who get
>> MSDN or Technet subscriptions for a variety of constructive, productive
>> reasons. And hey FYI Kevin the Pan aka the Redmond Cop Wannabe has one
>> type
>> of MSDN subscription so need we say more?
>>
>> All this crap that is false about dedication is mind blowing in it's
>> disingenous hypocrisy. Less than 5% of anyone on the TBT participated to
>> any extent in any of those things that Wendy J. Stidmon, Anna "B"
>> Benesovska, Tenny Cho, Christina Hughes, Sam White, or Paul Donnelly
>> proferred on the Beta groups to encourage feedback that fell on very tin
>> ears. So I'd take issue with your and other people's portrayal that all
>> of
>> these 30,000 beta testers or a percent above 5% were heavily involved in
>> hard work or inconvenience. They wanted to be in the "in crowd" via the
>> principle of Schadenfreude
>>
>> American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source scha¡Pden¡Pfreu¡Pde
>> (shadn-froid) Pronunciation Key
>> n.
>>
>> Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.
>>
>> WordNet - Cite This Source
>> Schadenfreude
>>
>> n : delight in another person's misfortune [syn: Schadenfreude]
>>
>> WordNet R 2.0, c 2003 Princeton University
>>
>>
>> I enjoy your site. Keep up the good work.
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Josh" <josh@windowsconnected.com> wrote in message
>> news:B997BBCA-8E50-4B15-98DD-C05590B65597@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> > Wow, Ok first off Microsoft has not given MSDN or Technet Subscribers
>> > anything. They purchased it. Those programs aren't free. The
>> > Technical
>> > Beta participants who have been in this program FAR FAR longer than the
>> > CPP
>> > has even been around do much much more than just file a couple of bugs.
>> > They are responsible for feature focus testing each week. They have to
>> > rebuild there systems far more often than someone in the CPP who only
>> > got
>> > 2
>> > downloads.
>> >
>> > Now I agree that this program certainly helps and I am sure that
>> > Microsoft
>> > appreciates the testing, but is it the same level of commitment that
>> > was
>> > put
>> > in by the Tech Beta participants...NO WAY.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Josh
>> > [url]http://windowsconnected.com[/url]
>> >
>> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> > news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
>> >> It's been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been
>> >> doing
>> >> it
>> >> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
>> >> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care
>> >> to
>> >> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product
>> >> when
>> >> no
>> >> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away
>> >> 'complimentary'
>> >> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
>> >> slapped
>> >> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview
>> >> program
>> >> I
>> >> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
>> >> because I
>> >> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and
>> >> better
>> >> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
>> >> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the
>> >> people
>> >> who
>> >> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does
>> >> not
>> >> have
>> >> a heart, all they care about is money.
>> >>
>> >> ----------------
>> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>> >> the
>> >> "I
>> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>> >> follow
>> >> this
>> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> >> then
>> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >>
>> >> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=53678cbe-647e-45b3-a516-7b6548691df8&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url]
>> >[/color]
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>>[/color][/color]

Very well said.

CH


"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:uQDRzc%23CHHA.144@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> After reading so many posts, can't help to make the following comments:
>
> Only morons would pay subscription fees for beta testing software, and in
> the mean time, feeling somewhat prestigious about it. Only one word -
> idiot.
>
> A free copy? Only in your dream! They know very well that a bunch of
> morons are lining up for paying them to test the software, with the risk
> of of ruing own systems, do you think they care about you and will give
> you a free copy?
>
> Do you think they'd even appreciate YOUR efforts? Can you be even more
> naive?
>
> The only reason I downloaded and tested software is to see if it's worth
> our money. You and other morons who are willing to spend money already
> spoiled the company and now are demanding them to respect you? LOL.
>
> If you and others are smart enough, you should be waiting for them to beg
> you to download trial software!
>
> Act like a consumer and stop being like a slave!
>
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:CA5FBC5B-2E12-4E06-AECF-75C210423B5E@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Micro$oft owes every person who turned in a bug report a complementry
>> copy of
>> VI$TA. OH, I could get VI$TA now, an MSDN subscription fee is $699.00,
>> minimum package, going up to $1,000.
>> If I go to Micro$oft Technet it is $349.00 for a basic subscription, but
>> Technet releases Beta software only, so VI$TA RTM isn't an option. I
>> would
>> Just buy it from Microsoft, but the LOSERS missed out on the Christmas
>> buying
>> season! C'mon guys, you had 6 years to develop this thing! How unfair
>> and
>> pathetic to miss out on the buying season with a new OS. LOSERS! So,
>> instead
>> of just selling the RTM online, VIA a download, they make everyone wait
>> until almost February to get it, January 30th. The company is clearly
>> being
>> mismanaged. So technet subscribers, probably because Micro$oft felt
>> sorry
>> for them, gave them a copy. I mean, after all they DID pay to BEta test
>> the
>> stuff. Me, I was invited VIA multiple e-mails to test RC1 and RC2. I
>> refuse
>> to pay Micro$oft to beta test their ****. I am a wee bit smarter than
>> that.
>>
>> "Chad Harris" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Josh --
>>>
>>>
>>> Every sanctimonious MSFT syncophant aka the "SSSSS aka 5S club"
>>> (Santimonious Schadenfreud Sanfreud Softie Syncophants who are chiming
>>> in
>>> here--you know who you are with this phony crap and you aren't the only
>>> ones
>>> who Beta tested, after cheerfully recieving their swag, and free Vista
>>> and
>>> chronically and rellpasingly remittingly beggingfor it for months and
>>> months
>>> and months on the Beta Cafe and General group like a 3 year old asking
>>> mommy
>>> for some candy, is missing the point.
>>>
>>> I didn't btw see anyone talking about MSDN and Technet and Volume
>>> license
>>> subscribers who are paying throug the nose for heavily promoted limited
>>> value--always have been and always will be. People understand those
>>> folks
>>> pay and if any of them join to get a beta they are stupid beyond belief
>>> in
>>> contrast to what one would normally hope an MSDN or Technet subscriber
>>> would
>>> be. It's not my experience at all in attending any of those meetings
>>> that
>>> those people aren't a homogenously bright capable group of people who
>>> get
>>> MSDN or Technet subscriptions for a variety of constructive, productive
>>> reasons. And hey FYI Kevin the Pan aka the Redmond Cop Wannabe has one
>>> type
>>> of MSDN subscription so need we say more?
>>>
>>> All this crap that is false about dedication is mind blowing in it's
>>> disingenous hypocrisy. Less than 5% of anyone on the TBT participated
>>> to
>>> any extent in any of those things that Wendy J. Stidmon, Anna "B"
>>> Benesovska, Tenny Cho, Christina Hughes, Sam White, or Paul Donnelly
>>> proferred on the Beta groups to encourage feedback that fell on very tin
>>> ears. So I'd take issue with your and other people's portrayal that all
>>> of
>>> these 30,000 beta testers or a percent above 5% were heavily involved
>>> in
>>> hard work or inconvenience. They wanted to be in the "in crowd" via the
>>> principle of Schadenfreude
>>>
>>> American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source scha¡Pden¡Pfreu¡Pde
>>> (shadn-froid) Pronunciation Key
>>> n.
>>>
>>> Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.
>>>
>>> WordNet - Cite This Source
>>> Schadenfreude
>>>
>>> n : delight in another person's misfortune [syn: Schadenfreude]
>>>
>>> WordNet R 2.0, c 2003 Princeton University
>>>
>>>
>>> I enjoy your site. Keep up the good work.
>>>
>>> CH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Josh" <josh@windowsconnected.com> wrote in message
>>> news:B997BBCA-8E50-4B15-98DD-C05590B65597@microsoft.com...
>>> > Wow, Ok first off Microsoft has not given MSDN or Technet Subscribers
>>> > anything. They purchased it. Those programs aren't free. The
>>> > Technical
>>> > Beta participants who have been in this program FAR FAR longer than
>>> > the
>>> > CPP
>>> > has even been around do much much more than just file a couple of
>>> > bugs.
>>> > They are responsible for feature focus testing each week. They have
>>> > to
>>> > rebuild there systems far more often than someone in the CPP who only
>>> > got
>>> > 2
>>> > downloads.
>>> >
>>> > Now I agree that this program certainly helps and I am sure that
>>> > Microsoft
>>> > appreciates the testing, but is it the same level of commitment that
>>> > was
>>> > put
>>> > in by the Tech Beta participants...NO WAY.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Josh
>>> > [url]http://windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>> >
>>> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>>> > news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
>>> >> It's been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been
>>> >> doing
>>> >> it
>>> >> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen
>>> >> bug
>>> >> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care
>>> >> to
>>> >> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product
>>> >> when
>>> >> no
>>> >> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away
>>> >> 'complimentary'
>>> >> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
>>> >> slapped
>>> >> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview
>>> >> program
>>> >> I
>>> >> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
>>> >> because I
>>> >> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and
>>> >> better
>>> >> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a
>>> >> large,
>>> >> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the
>>> >> people
>>> >> who
>>> >> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does
>>> >> not
>>> >> have
>>> >> a heart, all they care about is money.
>>> >>
>>> >> ----------------
>>> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
>>> >> the
>>> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>>> >> the
>>> >> "I
>>> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>> >> follow
>>> >> this
>>> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> >> then
>>> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>> >>
>>> >> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=53678cbe-647e-45b3-a516-7b6548691df8&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url]
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

I really try hard to stay positive. I submitted just under a dozen bug
reports to Microsoft when I Beta tested Vista. THEY are the ones that came
forward and offered a FREE copy. I believe they will do the right thing, and
award a copy to me. If they do not, oh well. I had to take abuse in here
from nerdy Technet subscribers who moaned and wailed that their beta testing
was far better than anyone elses! And therefore, only they deserved a free
copy! What a bunch of Baloney! Technet subscribers have not worked any
harder than ME I assure you. I have been dedicated. I believed in VISTA
when no one else did. I have installed and uninstalled VISTA dozens and
dozens of times, spent countless hours installing programs, testing it. I
KNOW this product. The only difference between me and a technet subcriber is
that I chose Not to pay for my Beta. I was asked VIA e-mail by Microsoft on
multiple occasions to test the Customer preveiw program. If anyone from
Microsoft reads this, it would restore my faith in Microsoft if they were to
do the right thing and award me a copy. My e-mail address is
[email]Jon@theacords.biz[/email]. If you check, you will know that I submitted many many
bugs.
Thank you.

"xfile" wrote:
[color=blue]
> After reading so many posts, can't help to make the following comments:
>
> Only morons would pay subscription fees for beta testing software, and in
> the mean time, feeling somewhat prestigious about it. Only one word -
> idiot.
>
> A free copy? Only in your dream! They know very well that a bunch of morons
> are lining up for paying them to test the software, with the risk of of
> ruing own systems, do you think they care about you and will give you a free
> copy?
>
> Do you think they'd even appreciate YOUR efforts? Can you be even more
> naive?
>
> The only reason I downloaded and tested software is to see if it's worth our
> money. You and other morons who are willing to spend money already spoiled
> the company and now are demanding them to respect you? LOL.
>
> If you and others are smart enough, you should be waiting for them to beg
> you to download trial software!
>
> Act like a consumer and stop being like a slave!
>
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:CA5FBC5B-2E12-4E06-AECF-75C210423B5E@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > Micro$oft owes every person who turned in a bug report a complementry copy
> > of
> > VI$TA. OH, I could get VI$TA now, an MSDN subscription fee is $699.00,
> > minimum package, going up to $1,000.
> > If I go to Micro$oft Technet it is $349.00 for a basic subscription, but
> > Technet releases Beta software only, so VI$TA RTM isn't an option. I
> > would
> > Just buy it from Microsoft, but the LOSERS missed out on the Christmas
> > buying
> > season! C'mon guys, you had 6 years to develop this thing! How unfair
> > and
> > pathetic to miss out on the buying season with a new OS. LOSERS! So,
> > instead
> > of just selling the RTM online, VIA a download, they make everyone wait
> > until almost February to get it, January 30th. The company is clearly
> > being
> > mismanaged. So technet subscribers, probably because Micro$oft felt sorry
> > for them, gave them a copy. I mean, after all they DID pay to BEta test
> > the
> > stuff. Me, I was invited VIA multiple e-mails to test RC1 and RC2. I
> > refuse
> > to pay Micro$oft to beta test their ****. I am a wee bit smarter than
> > that.
> >
> > "Chad Harris" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> Josh --
> >>
> >>
> >> Every sanctimonious MSFT syncophant aka the "SSSSS aka 5S club"
> >> (Santimonious Schadenfreud Sanfreud Softie Syncophants who are chiming
> >> in
> >> here--you know who you are with this phony crap and you aren't the only
> >> ones
> >> who Beta tested, after cheerfully recieving their swag, and free Vista
> >> and
> >> chronically and rellpasingly remittingly beggingfor it for months and
> >> months
> >> and months on the Beta Cafe and General group like a 3 year old asking
> >> mommy
> >> for some candy, is missing the point.
> >>
> >> I didn't btw see anyone talking about MSDN and Technet and Volume license
> >> subscribers who are paying throug the nose for heavily promoted limited
> >> value--always have been and always will be. People understand those
> >> folks
> >> pay and if any of them join to get a beta they are stupid beyond belief
> >> in
> >> contrast to what one would normally hope an MSDN or Technet subscriber
> >> would
> >> be. It's not my experience at all in attending any of those meetings
> >> that
> >> those people aren't a homogenously bright capable group of people who get
> >> MSDN or Technet subscriptions for a variety of constructive, productive
> >> reasons. And hey FYI Kevin the Pan aka the Redmond Cop Wannabe has one
> >> type
> >> of MSDN subscription so need we say more?
> >>
> >> All this crap that is false about dedication is mind blowing in it's
> >> disingenous hypocrisy. Less than 5% of anyone on the TBT participated to
> >> any extent in any of those things that Wendy J. Stidmon, Anna "B"
> >> Benesovska, Tenny Cho, Christina Hughes, Sam White, or Paul Donnelly
> >> proferred on the Beta groups to encourage feedback that fell on very tin
> >> ears. So I'd take issue with your and other people's portrayal that all
> >> of
> >> these 30,000 beta testers or a percent above 5% were heavily involved in
> >> hard work or inconvenience. They wanted to be in the "in crowd" via the
> >> principle of Schadenfreude
> >>
> >> American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source scha¡Pden¡Pfreu¡Pde
> >> (shadn-froid) Pronunciation Key
> >> n.
> >>
> >> Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.
> >>
> >> WordNet - Cite This Source
> >> Schadenfreude
> >>
> >> n : delight in another person's misfortune [syn: Schadenfreude]
> >>
> >> WordNet R 2.0, c 2003 Princeton University
> >>
> >>
> >> I enjoy your site. Keep up the good work.
> >>
> >> CH
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Josh" <josh@windowsconnected.com> wrote in message
> >> news:B997BBCA-8E50-4B15-98DD-C05590B65597@microsoft.com...
> >> > Wow, Ok first off Microsoft has not given MSDN or Technet Subscribers
> >> > anything. They purchased it. Those programs aren't free. The
> >> > Technical
> >> > Beta participants who have been in this program FAR FAR longer than the
> >> > CPP
> >> > has even been around do much much more than just file a couple of bugs.
> >> > They are responsible for feature focus testing each week. They have to
> >> > rebuild there systems far more often than someone in the CPP who only
> >> > got
> >> > 2
> >> > downloads.
> >> >
> >> > Now I agree that this program certainly helps and I am sure that
> >> > Microsoft
> >> > appreciates the testing, but is it the same level of commitment that
> >> > was
> >> > put
> >> > in by the Tech Beta participants...NO WAY.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Josh
> >> > [url]http://windowsconnected.com[/url]
> >> >
> >> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> >> > news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
> >> >> It's been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been
> >> >> doing
> >> >> it
> >> >> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
> >> >> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care
> >> >> to
> >> >> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product
> >> >> when
> >> >> no
> >> >> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away
> >> >> 'complimentary'
> >> >> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
> >> >> slapped
> >> >> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview
> >> >> program
> >> >> I
> >> >> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
> >> >> because I
> >> >> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and
> >> >> better
> >> >> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
> >> >> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the
> >> >> people
> >> >> who
> >> >> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does
> >> >> not
> >> >> have
> >> >> a heart, all they care about is money.
> >> >>
> >> >> ----------------
> >> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> >> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
> >> >> the
> >> >> "I
> >> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
> >> >> follow
> >> >> this
> >> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
> >> >> then
> >> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >> >>
> >> >> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=53678cbe-647e-45b3-a516-7b6548691df8&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url]
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>[/color][/color]
>
>
>[/color]

Jon--

LOL I hope that you get Vista in a comfortable way for you. If you want it
that badly, it is ridiculous for you to waste time in your life yelling at
the sky you don't have it.

I understand enough about OBGYN to know the stork is not likely to drop it
into your yard.

In the US it starts selling in stores in eleven days at Comp USA (at least
one of its versions as does a version of Office 2007 as I've linked for you.

If MSFT won't give it to you, (and I understand they are a company that is
on the NYSE with shareholders who expect that they make a profit, although
they were slow and stubborn in realizing that they were ignoring a huge
profit center of Web ads for years, and you want it badly, then you have a
couple choices. You can download the Beta they have available now that will
last you until June 2007 which should give you time to set aside the money
for the version that best suits your needs or you can buy it in a US store
in eleven days or many of the web outlets that will spring up soon.

CH


"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:1AAA2B78-6327-424A-AF8F-8C7C4B245E60@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>I really try hard to stay positive. I submitted just under a dozen bug
> reports to Microsoft when I Beta tested Vista. THEY are the ones that
> came
> forward and offered a FREE copy. I believe they will do the right thing,
> and
> award a copy to me. If they do not, oh well. I had to take abuse in here
> from nerdy Technet subscribers who moaned and wailed that their beta
> testing
> was far better than anyone elses! And therefore, only they deserved a
> free
> copy! What a bunch of Baloney! Technet subscribers have not worked any
> harder than ME I assure you. I have been dedicated. I believed in VISTA
> when no one else did. I have installed and uninstalled VISTA dozens and
> dozens of times, spent countless hours installing programs, testing it. I
> KNOW this product. The only difference between me and a technet subcriber
> is
> that I chose Not to pay for my Beta. I was asked VIA e-mail by Microsoft
> on
> multiple occasions to test the Customer preveiw program. If anyone from
> Microsoft reads this, it would restore my faith in Microsoft if they were
> to
> do the right thing and award me a copy. My e-mail address is
> [email]Jon@theacords.biz[/email]. If you check, you will know that I submitted many many
> bugs.
> Thank you.
>
> "xfile" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> After reading so many posts, can't help to make the following comments:
>>
>> Only morons would pay subscription fees for beta testing software, and in
>> the mean time, feeling somewhat prestigious about it. Only one word -
>> idiot.
>>
>> A free copy? Only in your dream! They know very well that a bunch of
>> morons
>> are lining up for paying them to test the software, with the risk of of
>> ruing own systems, do you think they care about you and will give you a
>> free
>> copy?
>>
>> Do you think they'd even appreciate YOUR efforts? Can you be even more
>> naive?
>>
>> The only reason I downloaded and tested software is to see if it's worth
>> our
>> money. You and other morons who are willing to spend money already
>> spoiled
>> the company and now are demanding them to respect you? LOL.
>>
>> If you and others are smart enough, you should be waiting for them to beg
>> you to download trial software!
>>
>> Act like a consumer and stop being like a slave!
>>
>>
>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> news:CA5FBC5B-2E12-4E06-AECF-75C210423B5E@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> > Micro$oft owes every person who turned in a bug report a complementry
>> > copy
>> > of
>> > VI$TA. OH, I could get VI$TA now, an MSDN subscription fee is $699.00,
>> > minimum package, going up to $1,000.
>> > If I go to Micro$oft Technet it is $349.00 for a basic subscription,
>> > but
>> > Technet releases Beta software only, so VI$TA RTM isn't an option. I
>> > would
>> > Just buy it from Microsoft, but the LOSERS missed out on the Christmas
>> > buying
>> > season! C'mon guys, you had 6 years to develop this thing! How unfair
>> > and
>> > pathetic to miss out on the buying season with a new OS. LOSERS! So,
>> > instead
>> > of just selling the RTM online, VIA a download, they make everyone
>> > wait
>> > until almost February to get it, January 30th. The company is clearly
>> > being
>> > mismanaged. So technet subscribers, probably because Micro$oft felt
>> > sorry
>> > for them, gave them a copy. I mean, after all they DID pay to BEta
>> > test
>> > the
>> > stuff. Me, I was invited VIA multiple e-mails to test RC1 and RC2. I
>> > refuse
>> > to pay Micro$oft to beta test their ****. I am a wee bit smarter than
>> > that.
>> >
>> > "Chad Harris" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Josh --
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Every sanctimonious MSFT syncophant aka the "SSSSS aka 5S club"
>> >> (Santimonious Schadenfreud Sanfreud Softie Syncophants who are
>> >> chiming
>> >> in
>> >> here--you know who you are with this phony crap and you aren't the
>> >> only
>> >> ones
>> >> who Beta tested, after cheerfully recieving their swag, and free
>> >> Vista
>> >> and
>> >> chronically and rellpasingly remittingly beggingfor it for months and
>> >> months
>> >> and months on the Beta Cafe and General group like a 3 year old asking
>> >> mommy
>> >> for some candy, is missing the point.
>> >>
>> >> I didn't btw see anyone talking about MSDN and Technet and Volume
>> >> license
>> >> subscribers who are paying throug the nose for heavily promoted
>> >> limited
>> >> value--always have been and always will be. People understand those
>> >> folks
>> >> pay and if any of them join to get a beta they are stupid beyond
>> >> belief
>> >> in
>> >> contrast to what one would normally hope an MSDN or Technet subscriber
>> >> would
>> >> be. It's not my experience at all in attending any of those meetings
>> >> that
>> >> those people aren't a homogenously bright capable group of people who
>> >> get
>> >> MSDN or Technet subscriptions for a variety of constructive,
>> >> productive
>> >> reasons. And hey FYI Kevin the Pan aka the Redmond Cop Wannabe has
>> >> one
>> >> type
>> >> of MSDN subscription so need we say more?
>> >>
>> >> All this crap that is false about dedication is mind blowing in it's
>> >> disingenous hypocrisy. Less than 5% of anyone on the TBT participated
>> >> to
>> >> any extent in any of those things that Wendy J. Stidmon, Anna "B"
>> >> Benesovska, Tenny Cho, Christina Hughes, Sam White, or Paul Donnelly
>> >> proferred on the Beta groups to encourage feedback that fell on very
>> >> tin
>> >> ears. So I'd take issue with your and other people's portrayal that
>> >> all
>> >> of
>> >> these 30,000 beta testers or a percent above 5% were heavily involved
>> >> in
>> >> hard work or inconvenience. They wanted to be in the "in crowd" via
>> >> the
>> >> principle of Schadenfreude
>> >>
>> >> American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source scha¡Pden¡Pfreu¡Pde
>> >> (shadn-froid) Pronunciation Key
>> >> n.
>> >>
>> >> Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.
>> >>
>> >> WordNet - Cite This Source
>> >> Schadenfreude
>> >>
>> >> n : delight in another person's misfortune [syn: Schadenfreude]
>> >>
>> >> WordNet R 2.0, c 2003 Princeton University
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I enjoy your site. Keep up the good work.
>> >>
>> >> CH
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Josh" <josh@windowsconnected.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:B997BBCA-8E50-4B15-98DD-C05590B65597@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Wow, Ok first off Microsoft has not given MSDN or Technet
>> >> > Subscribers
>> >> > anything. They purchased it. Those programs aren't free. The
>> >> > Technical
>> >> > Beta participants who have been in this program FAR FAR longer than
>> >> > the
>> >> > CPP
>> >> > has even been around do much much more than just file a couple of
>> >> > bugs.
>> >> > They are responsible for feature focus testing each week. They have
>> >> > to
>> >> > rebuild there systems far more often than someone in the CPP who
>> >> > only
>> >> > got
>> >> > 2
>> >> > downloads.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now I agree that this program certainly helps and I am sure that
>> >> > Microsoft
>> >> > appreciates the testing, but is it the same level of commitment that
>> >> > was
>> >> > put
>> >> > in by the Tech Beta participants...NO WAY.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Josh
>> >> > [url]http://windowsconnected.com[/url]
>> >> >
>> >> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> >> > news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> It's been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been
>> >> >> doing
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen
>> >> >> bug
>> >> >> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I
>> >> >> care
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this
>> >> >> product
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> no
>> >> >> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away
>> >> >> 'complimentary'
>> >> >> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone
>> >> >> had
>> >> >> slapped
>> >> >> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview
>> >> >> program
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
>> >> >> because I
>> >> >> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and
>> >> >> better
>> >> >> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a
>> >> >> large,
>> >> >> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the
>> >> >> people
>> >> >> who
>> >> >> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> a heart, all they care about is money.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----------------
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>> >> >> the
>> >> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> "I
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>> >> >> follow
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> then
>> >> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >> >>
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"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:1AAA2B78-6327-424A-AF8F-8C7C4B245E60@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>I really try hard to stay positive. I submitted just under a dozen bug
> reports to Microsoft when I Beta tested Vista. THEY are the ones that
> came
> forward and offered a FREE copy. I believe they will do the right thing,
> and
> award a copy to me. If they do not, oh well. I had to take abuse in here
> from nerdy Technet subscribers who moaned and wailed that their beta
> testing
> was far better than anyone elses! And therefore, only they deserved a
> free
> copy! What a bunch of Baloney! Technet subscribers have not worked any
> harder than ME I assure you. I have been dedicated. I believed in VISTA
> when no one else did. I have installed and uninstalled VISTA dozens and
> dozens of times, spent countless hours installing programs, testing it. I
> KNOW this product. The only difference between me and a technet subcriber
> is
> that I chose Not to pay for my Beta. I was asked VIA e-mail by Microsoft
> on
> multiple occasions to test the Customer preveiw program. If anyone from
> Microsoft reads this, it would restore my faith in Microsoft if they were
> to
> do the right thing and award me a copy. My e-mail address is
> [email]Jon@theacords.biz[/email]. If you check, you will know that I submitted many many
> bugs.
> Thank you.
>[/color]


YAWN.. You you are not a beta tester.

Chris: If you mean I chose not to pay a subscription FEE to test
Microsoft's products, then yes, I did not test it that way. But I was a Beta
tester. I have downloaded alpha and beta copies since it was called
longhorn, so don't come in here with a smug, nerdy attitude. Its been my
observation that all the pathetic technet subscribers as well as MSDN people
have an attitude like they are better than anyone else. They have been
snooty, and just plain annoying. See, I DID alpha and beta test at
microsoft's request, so just shut up! Unlike those other aforementioned
LOSERS I never had to pay for it! *smile*. ROTFLMAO
"Chris Jacobsen" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:1AAA2B78-6327-424A-AF8F-8C7C4B245E60@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> >I really try hard to stay positive. I submitted just under a dozen bug
> > reports to Microsoft when I Beta tested Vista. THEY are the ones that
> > came
> > forward and offered a FREE copy. I believe they will do the right thing,
> > and
> > award a copy to me. If they do not, oh well. I had to take abuse in here
> > from nerdy Technet subscribers who moaned and wailed that their beta
> > testing
> > was far better than anyone elses! And therefore, only they deserved a
> > free
> > copy! What a bunch of Baloney! Technet subscribers have not worked any
> > harder than ME I assure you. I have been dedicated. I believed in VISTA
> > when no one else did. I have installed and uninstalled VISTA dozens and
> > dozens of times, spent countless hours installing programs, testing it. I
> > KNOW this product. The only difference between me and a technet subcriber
> > is
> > that I chose Not to pay for my Beta. I was asked VIA e-mail by Microsoft
> > on
> > multiple occasions to test the Customer preveiw program. If anyone from
> > Microsoft reads this, it would restore my faith in Microsoft if they were
> > to
> > do the right thing and award me a copy. My e-mail address is
> > [email]Jon@theacords.biz[/email]. If you check, you will know that I submitted many many
> > bugs.
> > Thank you.
> >[/color]
>
>
> YAWN.. You you are not a beta tester.
>
>[/color]

You know what Chris? You obviously do not have a clue as to how to
communicate with people son. I doubt very much if you have even seen
Microsoft Vista. Please-do not play on your Dad's computer...OK?

"Jon Acord" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> Chris: If you mean I chose not to pay a subscription FEE to test
> Microsoft's products, then yes, I did not test it that way. But I was a Beta
> tester. I have downloaded alpha and beta copies since it was called
> longhorn, so don't come in here with a smug, nerdy attitude. Its been my
> observation that all the pathetic technet subscribers as well as MSDN people
> have an attitude like they are better than anyone else. They have been
> snooty, and just plain annoying. See, I DID alpha and beta test at
> microsoft's request, so just shut up! Unlike those other aforementioned
> LOSERS I never had to pay for it! *smile*. ROTFLMAO
> "Chris Jacobsen" wrote:
>[color=green]
> >
> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > news:1AAA2B78-6327-424A-AF8F-8C7C4B245E60@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> > >I really try hard to stay positive. I submitted just under a dozen bug
> > > reports to Microsoft when I Beta tested Vista. THEY are the ones that
> > > came
> > > forward and offered a FREE copy. I believe they will do the right thing,
> > > and
> > > award a copy to me. If they do not, oh well. I had to take abuse in here
> > > from nerdy Technet subscribers who moaned and wailed that their beta
> > > testing
> > > was far better than anyone elses! And therefore, only they deserved a
> > > free
> > > copy! What a bunch of Baloney! Technet subscribers have not worked any
> > > harder than ME I assure you. I have been dedicated. I believed in VISTA
> > > when no one else did. I have installed and uninstalled VISTA dozens and
> > > dozens of times, spent countless hours installing programs, testing it. I
> > > KNOW this product. The only difference between me and a technet subcriber
> > > is
> > > that I chose Not to pay for my Beta. I was asked VIA e-mail by Microsoft
> > > on
> > > multiple occasions to test the Customer preveiw program. If anyone from
> > > Microsoft reads this, it would restore my faith in Microsoft if they were
> > > to
> > > do the right thing and award me a copy. My e-mail address is
> > > [email]Jon@theacords.biz[/email]. If you check, you will know that I submitted many many
> > > bugs.
> > > Thank you.
> > >[/color]
> >
> >
> > YAWN.. You you are not a beta tester.
> >
> >[/color][/color]

"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:BCA6AB85-1DEC-4A53-A6A3-D938C00B0EF8@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> You know what Chris? You obviously do not have a clue as to how to
> communicate with people son. I doubt very much if you have even seen
> Microsoft Vista. Please-do not play on your Dad's computer...OK?
>
> "Jon Acord" wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> Chris: If you mean I chose not to pay a subscription FEE to test
>> Microsoft's products, then yes, I did not test it that way. But I was a
>> Beta
>> tester. I have downloaded alpha and beta copies since it was called
>> longhorn, so don't come in here with a smug, nerdy attitude. Its been my
>> observation that all the pathetic technet subscribers as well as MSDN
>> people
>> have an attitude like they are better than anyone else. They have been
>> snooty, and just plain annoying. See, I DID alpha and beta test at
>> microsoft's request, so just shut up! Unlike those other aforementioned
>> LOSERS I never had to pay for it! *smile*. ROTFLMAO[/color][/color]

LOL. Well whatever. Actually I probably was involved with computer
technology before you could spell the words.

I am an approved beta tester (for multiple products) and do have my official
and approved RTM copy of Vista; don't subscribe to MSDN or TechNet. Funny I
don't recall seeing any postings from you in the Beta newsgroups.

Perhaps you should go back to your 'Debt Free' scam