[url]http://www.boingboing.net/2006/11/01/apple_drops_trusted_.html[/url]

Apple has dropped trusted computing. Good move! I find it encouraging
that MS has changed the terms of the Vista retail license and is teaming
up with Novell, but they still have a long way to go. We have yet to
find out if Office 07 will have such transfer limits, SPP, and the new
software still has more DRM in it than ever before, including trusted
computing. Still watching and waiting and voicing my opinion.

I couldn't agree more Nina. Interesting posts on the hdw scores the other
day. DRM is really a thorny area and the thorns seem to be increasing.
Vista in the build prior to RC2 asked me to "justify" playing an mp3 ripped
from one of my store bought CDs. I had to click a dialogue box and do this
every time I played *that particular ripped file. Curiously, it only has
happened once so far and only in that build--5536 or 5472 or RC1--I can't
remember which.

DRM Articles EFF
[url]http://www.eff.org/cgi/search-proxy.py?q=drm&sa=Search+EFF[/url]

Ed Bott and Others on DRM
[url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ed+bott+drm[/url]

CH


"Nina DiBoy" <i@can.not> wrote in message news:eie7bn$sca$1@web.aioe.org...[color=blue]
> [url]http://www.boingboing.net/2006/11/01/apple_drops_trusted_.html[/url]
>
> Apple has dropped trusted computing. Good move! I find it encouraging
> that MS has changed the terms of the Vista retail license and is teaming
> up with Novell, but they still have a long way to go. We have yet to find
> out if Office 07 will have such transfer limits, SPP, and the new software
> still has more DRM in it than ever before, including trusted computing.
> Still watching and waiting and voicing my opinion.[/color]

Chad Harris wrote:[color=blue]
> I couldn't agree more Nina. Interesting posts on the hdw scores the
> other day.[/color]

Glad you liked it.

DRM is really a thorny area and the thorns seem to be[color=blue]
> increasing.[/color]

One of my pet peeves!

Vista in the build prior to RC2 asked me to "justify"[color=blue]
> playing an mp3 ripped from one of my store bought CDs. I had to click a
> dialogue box and do this every time I played *that particular ripped
> file. Curiously, it only has happened once so far and only in that
> build--5536 or 5472 or RC1--I can't remember which.[/color]

Glad to hear it's toning down towards the final build (but I hope that
is by design instead of by chance.) Was it happening in WMP11? Is
there still the option to uncheck "Aquire licenses for protected content
automatically" in WMP11?
[color=blue]
>
> DRM Articles EFF
> [url]http://www.eff.org/cgi/search-proxy.py?q=drm&sa=Search+EFF[/url]
>
> Ed Bott and Others on DRM
> [url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ed+bott+drm[/url]
>
> CH[/color]

Thanks Chad, just trying to help educate the masses so our unified voice
against DRM gets louder and is harder to ignore. Also the more educated
people are, the better informed choices they can make to protect their
own rights. I have learned so much from your posts, keep up the great
information. :)
[color=blue]
>
>
> "Nina DiBoy" <i@can.not> wrote in message news:eie7bn$sca$1@web.aioe.org...
>[color=green]
>> [url]http://www.boingboing.net/2006/11/01/apple_drops_trusted_.html[/url]
>>
>> Apple has dropped trusted computing. Good move! I find it
>> encouraging that MS has changed the terms of the Vista retail license
>> and is teaming up with Novell, but they still have a long way to go.
>> We have yet to find out if Office 07 will have such transfer limits,
>> SPP, and the new software still has more DRM in it than ever before,
>> including trusted computing. Still watching and waiting and voicing my
>> opinion.[/color]
>
>[/color]

Hi Nina--

I should have of course stated up front where it happened. My bad. Yes it
was in WMP 11 on Vista (one of those three previous builds) which I have
been using in XP since available on it and Vista since the beta gave birth.

Strange it was an one isolated old CD--Carol King and I imagine you know how
far back she goes--why I'm not sure. It has never happend playing any of
the same tunes on Ipod's software interface on XP or Vista any build
(IMusic) I rip the WMP to IPOD either directly from WMP when you plug in
IPOD if WMP has something the IMusic software collection (IPOD playlist not
their store which is IMusic) doesn't yet have on it, or if I rip while the
IPOD is charging or plugged in I'll rip directly to the IPOD.

Nina also I'd be interested in your comment on this because when I've said
it directly to any softie--I made the comment in one of the last MCE chats
but not infrequently my exchanges with them get edited out for the archived
versions of the chats that the only reason that MCE has been made not to
join a domain was for DRM considerations.

That's not an original observation with me, because I've seen a lot of MVPs
make the same comment on their blogs and I believe it's true.

The MCE team bristlled and not suprisingly blew it off as not accurate. But
as much of the time, MSFT is quick to deny their real intentions.

There is no reason at all technically they can't make MCE join a domain and
people complain about it all the time and they diminish it's ability.

There is a disturbing trend of MSFT to compromise the quality of its
software based on outside "political" or economic influecences

DRM's impact
The Vista EULA still causing hardship for families
The SPP Kill Switch which will not be accurate and will be in effect a loose
cannon--I think it's going to take litigation to kill the kill switch and
the legal hit squads are using drawing up briefs to do this now.

CH

"Nina DiBoy" <no@not.con> wrote in message news:eig429$c7d$1@web.aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Chad Harris wrote:[color=green]
>> I couldn't agree more Nina. Interesting posts on the hdw scores the
>> other day.[/color]
>
> Glad you liked it.
>
> DRM is really a thorny area and the thorns seem to be[color=green]
>> increasing.[/color]
>
> One of my pet peeves!
>
> Vista in the build prior to RC2 asked me to "justify"[color=green]
>> playing an mp3 ripped from one of my store bought CDs. I had to click a
>> dialogue box and do this every time I played *that particular ripped
>> file. Curiously, it only has happened once so far and only in that
>> build--5536 or 5472 or RC1--I can't remember which.[/color]
>
> Glad to hear it's toning down towards the final build (but I hope that is
> by design instead of by chance.) Was it happening in WMP11? Is there
> still the option to uncheck "Aquire licenses for protected content
> automatically" in WMP11?
>[color=green]
>>
>> DRM Articles EFF
>> [url]http://www.eff.org/cgi/search-proxy.py?q=drm&sa=Search+EFF[/url]
>>
>> Ed Bott and Others on DRM
>> [url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ed+bott+drm[/url]
>>
>> CH[/color]
>
> Thanks Chad, just trying to help educate the masses so our unified voice
> against DRM gets louder and is harder to ignore. Also the more educated
> people are, the better informed choices they can make to protect their own
> rights. I have learned so much from your posts, keep up the great
> information. :)
>[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "Nina DiBoy" <i@can.not> wrote in message
>> news:eie7bn$sca$1@web.aioe.org...
>>[color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.boingboing.net/2006/11/01/apple_drops_trusted_.html[/url]
>>>
>>> Apple has dropped trusted computing. Good move! I find it encouraging
>>> that MS has changed the terms of the Vista retail license and is teaming
>>> up with Novell, but they still have a long way to go. We have yet to
>>> find out if Office 07 will have such transfer limits, SPP, and the new
>>> software still has more DRM in it than ever before, including trusted
>>> computing. Still watching and waiting and voicing my opinion.[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

Chad Harris wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi Nina--
>
> I should have of course stated up front where it happened. My bad. Yes it
> was in WMP 11 on Vista (one of those three previous builds) which I have
> been using in XP since available on it and Vista since the beta gave birth.
>
> Strange it was an one isolated old CD--Carol King and I imagine you know how
> far back she goes--why I'm not sure. It has never happend playing any of
> the same tunes on Ipod's software interface on XP or Vista any build
> (IMusic) I rip the WMP to IPOD either directly from WMP when you plug in
> IPOD if WMP has something the IMusic software collection (IPOD playlist not
> their store which is IMusic) doesn't yet have on it, or if I rip while the
> IPOD is charging or plugged in I'll rip directly to the IPOD.[/color]

Yes, Carol King was performing before I was born. Where did you get the
Carol King music if you don't mind my asking? Did you get any other
music from the same source and does it behave similarly? It appears not
from what you say so far. How odd. Right now it sounds like OS is not
a factor. You don't have problems with iTunes or whatever Apple
software you might use on Windows with your iPod. Hopefully it was
problems they have worked out of the WMP11 already. But we shall see.
[color=blue]
>
> Nina also I'd be interested in your comment on this because when I've said
> it directly to any softie--I made the comment in one of the last MCE chats
> but not infrequently my exchanges with them get edited out for the archived
> versions of the chats that the only reason that MCE has been made not to
> join a domain was for DRM considerations.[/color]

Pardon my bias, I have been known to be a bit of an extremist when it
comes to things like this, but I think it is terrible that they
censor... I mean 'edit' out any of your comments in archived chats like
that. But I suppose that is better left for another conversation.

That aside, I knew that MCE could not join a domain just like XP Home.
Anything I had ever read or heard about it from MS was that the reason
was because it was an OS meant for multimedia use at home. Honestly, I
never thought much about it, because ever since I found out about all of
the associated costs and DRM in MCE, I knew MCE was not for me. (We run
a Fedora Core 5 system with MythTV on it here so we don't have to
bother with the costs or buggy DRM conditions in MCE, Tivo, or most
commercial DVR systems.) But what you and various MVPs say makes
perfect sense about MCE made not to join a domain because of the DRM
restrictions. Hmmm, that's one to look into more. It's one thing for
MS to impose these restrictions for non-commercial use, but it could
potentially be a much bigger problem for them if they started imposing
their flawed DRM restrictions on businesses which could be losing money
over it.

LOL, is there enough TLAs in here for ya? ;P
[color=blue]
>
> That's not an original observation with me, because I've seen a lot of MVPs
> make the same comment on their blogs and I believe it's true.
>
> The MCE team bristlled and not suprisingly blew it off as not accurate. But
> as much of the time, MSFT is quick to deny their real intentions.[/color]

So incredibly true!
[color=blue]
>
> There is no reason at all technically they can't make MCE join a domain and
> people complain about it all the time and they diminish it's ability.
>
> There is a disturbing trend of MSFT to compromise the quality of its
> software based on outside "political" or economic influecences[/color]

Again very true. I've given my initial opinion on this above.
[color=blue]
>
> DRM's impact
> The Vista EULA still causing hardship for families
> The SPP Kill Switch which will not be accurate and will be in effect a loose
> cannon--I think it's going to take litigation to kill the kill switch and
> the legal hit squads are using drawing up briefs to do this now.
>
> CH
>[/color]

I found another article which even though is a bit old (MS has loosened
Vista transfer restrictions in the EULA after this article was written)
I found quite informative about other restrictions in the Vista EULA:

[url]http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/420[/url]

It brings up valid testing and security concerns about limitations in
the Vista EULA.

I also have noticed how difficult it is for posters on in this newsgroup
to leave politics out of the discussion. It almost seems to me that MS
would make a picture perfect politician (just enough corruption, just
enough propaganda) and that that probably contributes to why some
posters have difficulty leaving politics out.

<snip>