I was afraid that firefox, Maxthon and Avantbrowser would lose lots of
dedicated users (well not ff users that much because
they love it for too many reasons) with the release of IE7. But now the
incredibly low quality of IE7 is a gift to those people who were working on
those alternative browsers. It seems that THEY are the ones who will bring
browsers to another level an keep advancing the technology.

I urge you to take a look at these alternative "shells" and firefox if you
have not done it yet:

In other words, my main tip for IE7 users is to avoid using it :-) (hehe I
know.. I know but IE7s User interface is reeaaaalllllly bad)

[url]www.avantbrowser.com[/url] >> this is the best shell (or alternative user
interface) for the IE6 or IE7 rendering engine.
If you want the extra security but hate the IE7 interface, install IE7 but
use the avantbrowser shell (interface).
[url]www.Maxthon.com[/url] >> version 2.0 is coming very soon.. and it looks nice....

and of course Firefox [url]www.getfirefox.com[/url]

Firefox has a simple interface when you first install it, BUT this browser
can do almost anything imaginable with add-ons,
so after installing it, go to tools> add-ons and explore the site... you
will be amazed
[url]https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/extensions/[/url] (to install these you must
go to the site with firefox)

Tip 1: Many add-ons are not yet compatible with the fresh version 2 of
FireFox, BUT you can use this add-on to
trick them into thinking you are using the older version. I have seen 95% of
the add-ons that I have tried work great!
Get it here [url]http://users.blueprintit.co.uk/~dave/web/firefox/nightly[/url]

See screenshots on how to use it:
[url]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2797/compatible2ur7.jpg[/url]

or if you upgraded from 1.5.x and your add-ons are no longer working.. see
here: MAGIC!!!
[url]http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5421/compatiblefz1.jpg[/url]

NOTE: Its not possible to have tested all the FF add-ons so I can be sure
that something may not go wrong, so you can try these add-ons on the
portable version of FF you will see below, if all your add ons work good,
then you can install them on the normal installed version of FF

Tip2: If you dont want to install FF but you want to try it, you can use the
PORTABLE version from here
[url]www.portableapps.com[/url] RC3 is the SAME build (same thing) as version 2.0
Portable apps normally are used on removable drives like USB sticks, but no
one says you cant use them on your hard drive
as normal programs! Thats what I do to avoid installing too much stuff.....

I am unfortunately leaving out opera... I am doing this on purpose.. because
they insist on holding on to their "strange" interface,
that alienates new users....

How could I forget this???

One of the main reasons people avoid using FireFox is that it cannot render
all the sites correctly and only IE can...
well... install this Add-on and create a TAB with the IE rendering engine
within Firefox!!!
[url]https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1419/[/url]

in other words you use firefox, but the tab is actually loading the internet
explorer engine!
So everything is displayed correctly.


"progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
news:%23kFI$ya%23GHA.4356@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I was afraid that firefox, Maxthon and Avantbrowser would lose lots of
>dedicated users (well not ff users that much because
> they love it for too many reasons) with the release of IE7. But now the
> incredibly low quality of IE7 is a gift to those people who were working
> on those alternative browsers. It seems that THEY are the ones who will
> bring browsers to another level an keep advancing the technology.
>
> I urge you to take a look at these alternative "shells" and firefox if you
> have not done it yet:
>
> In other words, my main tip for IE7 users is to avoid using it :-) (hehe I
> know.. I know but IE7s User interface is reeaaaalllllly bad)
>
> [url]www.avantbrowser.com[/url] >> this is the best shell (or alternative user
> interface) for the IE6 or IE7 rendering engine.
> If you want the extra security but hate the IE7 interface, install IE7 but
> use the avantbrowser shell (interface).
> [url]www.Maxthon.com[/url] >> version 2.0 is coming very soon.. and it looks nice....
>
> and of course Firefox [url]www.getfirefox.com[/url]
>
> Firefox has a simple interface when you first install it, BUT this browser
> can do almost anything imaginable with add-ons,
> so after installing it, go to tools> add-ons and explore the site... you
> will be amazed
> [url]https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/extensions/[/url] (to install these you
> must go to the site with firefox)
>
> Tip 1: Many add-ons are not yet compatible with the fresh version 2 of
> FireFox, BUT you can use this add-on to
> trick them into thinking you are using the older version. I have seen 95%
> of the add-ons that I have tried work great!
> Get it here [url]http://users.blueprintit.co.uk/~dave/web/firefox/nightly[/url]
>
> See screenshots on how to use it:
> [url]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2797/compatible2ur7.jpg[/url]
>
> or if you upgraded from 1.5.x and your add-ons are no longer working..
> see here: MAGIC!!!
> [url]http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5421/compatiblefz1.jpg[/url]
>
> NOTE: Its not possible to have tested all the FF add-ons so I can be sure
> that something may not go wrong, so you can try these add-ons on the
> portable version of FF you will see below, if all your add ons work good,
> then you can install them on the normal installed version of FF
>
> Tip2: If you dont want to install FF but you want to try it, you can use
> the PORTABLE version from here
> [url]www.portableapps.com[/url] RC3 is the SAME build (same thing) as version 2.0
> Portable apps normally are used on removable drives like USB sticks, but
> no one says you cant use them on your hard drive
> as normal programs! Thats what I do to avoid installing too much
> stuff.....
>
> I am unfortunately leaving out opera... I am doing this on purpose..
> because they insist on holding on to their "strange" interface,
> that alienates new users....
>
>
>[/color]

Well......progressive realization i must say i've seen u somewhere else on
this forum knocking ie7. Can't say i blame you though, i can't even install
the stupid thing....it just tells me "setup unable to initialize
msftedit.dll; check log" and that's it. And yeah i do have xp sp2, didn't
uninstall any windows components, have tried installing it in safe mode with
networking support, i'm just tired. FF on the other hand feels light and
nifty which is really good, i like it's seeming flexibility plus the fact
that it can do just about all i need it to do is really good. I didn't even
need to restart my pc, it starts with almost bare-bones and allows you to
feel it up as you like (very good engineering) with whatever tickles your
fancy. If this is how vista is going to be, i'm off to linux again.

"progressive realization" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I was afraid that firefox, Maxthon and Avantbrowser would lose lots of
> dedicated users (well not ff users that much because
> they love it for too many reasons) with the release of IE7. But now the
> incredibly low quality of IE7 is a gift to those people who were working on
> those alternative browsers. It seems that THEY are the ones who will bring
> browsers to another level an keep advancing the technology.
>
> I urge you to take a look at these alternative "shells" and firefox if you
> have not done it yet:
>
> In other words, my main tip for IE7 users is to avoid using it :-) (hehe I
> know.. I know but IE7s User interface is reeaaaalllllly bad)
>
> [url]www.avantbrowser.com[/url] >> this is the best shell (or alternative user
> interface) for the IE6 or IE7 rendering engine.
> If you want the extra security but hate the IE7 interface, install IE7 but
> use the avantbrowser shell (interface).
> [url]www.Maxthon.com[/url] >> version 2.0 is coming very soon.. and it looks nice....
>
> and of course Firefox [url]www.getfirefox.com[/url]
>
> Firefox has a simple interface when you first install it, BUT this browser
> can do almost anything imaginable with add-ons,
> so after installing it, go to tools> add-ons and explore the site... you
> will be amazed
> [url]https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/extensions/[/url] (to install these you must
> go to the site with firefox)
>
> Tip 1: Many add-ons are not yet compatible with the fresh version 2 of
> FireFox, BUT you can use this add-on to
> trick them into thinking you are using the older version. I have seen 95% of
> the add-ons that I have tried work great!
> Get it here [url]http://users.blueprintit.co.uk/~dave/web/firefox/nightly[/url]
>
> See screenshots on how to use it:
> [url]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2797/compatible2ur7.jpg[/url]
>
> or if you upgraded from 1.5.x and your add-ons are no longer working.. see
> here: MAGIC!!!
> [url]http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5421/compatiblefz1.jpg[/url]
>
> NOTE: Its not possible to have tested all the FF add-ons so I can be sure
> that something may not go wrong, so you can try these add-ons on the
> portable version of FF you will see below, if all your add ons work good,
> then you can install them on the normal installed version of FF
>
> Tip2: If you dont want to install FF but you want to try it, you can use the
> PORTABLE version from here
> [url]www.portableapps.com[/url] RC3 is the SAME build (same thing) as version 2.0
> Portable apps normally are used on removable drives like USB sticks, but no
> one says you cant use them on your hard drive
> as normal programs! Thats what I do to avoid installing too much stuff.....
>
> I am unfortunately leaving out opera... I am doing this on purpose.. because
> they insist on holding on to their "strange" interface,
> that alienates new users....
>
>
>
>[/color]

Microsoft can do a far better job.... I believe that they can make a
tremedus difference for the better...

that is why I am so harsh on them.. because I expect only suburb quality and
innovation from them.

They have the time, they have the money they have the brains they have the
talent....

Its such a shame to see all those being wasted.


"i_waya" <iwaya@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DC25A9BD-708C-4284-92BD-ED524651045C@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Well......progressive realization i must say i've seen u somewhere else on
> this forum knocking ie7. Can't say i blame you though, i can't even
> install
> the stupid thing....it just tells me "setup unable to initialize
> msftedit.dll; check log" and that's it. And yeah i do have xp sp2, didn't
> uninstall any windows components, have tried installing it in safe mode
> with
> networking support, i'm just tired. FF on the other hand feels light and
> nifty which is really good, i like it's seeming flexibility plus the fact
> that it can do just about all i need it to do is really good. I didn't
> even
> need to restart my pc, it starts with almost bare-bones and allows you to
> feel it up as you like (very good engineering) with whatever tickles your
> fancy. If this is how vista is going to be, i'm off to linux again.
>
> "progressive realization" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I was afraid that firefox, Maxthon and Avantbrowser would lose lots of
>> dedicated users (well not ff users that much because
>> they love it for too many reasons) with the release of IE7. But now the
>> incredibly low quality of IE7 is a gift to those people who were working
>> on
>> those alternative browsers. It seems that THEY are the ones who will
>> bring
>> browsers to another level an keep advancing the technology.
>>
>> I urge you to take a look at these alternative "shells" and firefox if
>> you
>> have not done it yet:
>>
>> In other words, my main tip for IE7 users is to avoid using it :-) (hehe
>> I
>> know.. I know but IE7s User interface is reeaaaalllllly bad)
>>
>> [url]www.avantbrowser.com[/url] >> this is the best shell (or alternative user
>> interface) for the IE6 or IE7 rendering engine.
>> If you want the extra security but hate the IE7 interface, install IE7
>> but
>> use the avantbrowser shell (interface).
>> [url]www.Maxthon.com[/url] >> version 2.0 is coming very soon.. and it looks
>> nice....
>>
>> and of course Firefox [url]www.getfirefox.com[/url]
>>
>> Firefox has a simple interface when you first install it, BUT this
>> browser
>> can do almost anything imaginable with add-ons,
>> so after installing it, go to tools> add-ons and explore the site... you
>> will be amazed
>> [url]https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/extensions/[/url] (to install these you
>> must
>> go to the site with firefox)
>>
>> Tip 1: Many add-ons are not yet compatible with the fresh version 2 of
>> FireFox, BUT you can use this add-on to
>> trick them into thinking you are using the older version. I have seen 95%
>> of
>> the add-ons that I have tried work great!
>> Get it here [url]http://users.blueprintit.co.uk/~dave/web/firefox/nightly[/url]
>>
>> See screenshots on how to use it:
>> [url]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2797/compatible2ur7.jpg[/url]
>>
>> or if you upgraded from 1.5.x and your add-ons are no longer working..
>> see
>> here: MAGIC!!!
>> [url]http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5421/compatiblefz1.jpg[/url]
>>
>> NOTE: Its not possible to have tested all the FF add-ons so I can be sure
>> that something may not go wrong, so you can try these add-ons on the
>> portable version of FF you will see below, if all your add ons work good,
>> then you can install them on the normal installed version of FF
>>
>> Tip2: If you dont want to install FF but you want to try it, you can use
>> the
>> PORTABLE version from here
>> [url]www.portableapps.com[/url] RC3 is the SAME build (same thing) as version 2.0
>> Portable apps normally are used on removable drives like USB sticks, but
>> no
>> one says you cant use them on your hard drive
>> as normal programs! Thats what I do to avoid installing too much
>> stuff.....
>>
>> I am unfortunately leaving out opera... I am doing this on purpose..
>> because
>> they insist on holding on to their "strange" interface,
>> that alienates new users....
>>
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]

The premise of our argument is entirely FALSE. Internet Explorer 7 is an
excellent browser. The low quality in your argument is your argument.

William

progressive realization wrote:[color=blue]
> I was afraid that firefox, Maxthon and Avantbrowser would lose lots of
> dedicated users (well not ff users that much because
> they love it for too many reasons) with the release of IE7. But now the
> incredibly low quality of IE7 is a gift to those people who were working on
> those alternative browsers. It seems that THEY are the ones who will bring
> browsers to another level an keep advancing the technology.
>
> I urge you to take a look at these alternative "shells" and firefox if you
> have not done it yet:
>
> In other words, my main tip for IE7 users is to avoid using it :-) (hehe I
> know.. I know but IE7s User interface is reeaaaalllllly bad)
>
> [url]www.avantbrowser.com[/url] >> this is the best shell (or alternative user
> interface) for the IE6 or IE7 rendering engine.
> If you want the extra security but hate the IE7 interface, install IE7 but
> use the avantbrowser shell (interface).
> [url]www.Maxthon.com[/url] >> version 2.0 is coming very soon.. and it looks nice....
>
> and of course Firefox [url]www.getfirefox.com[/url]
>
> Firefox has a simple interface when you first install it, BUT this browser
> can do almost anything imaginable with add-ons,
> so after installing it, go to tools> add-ons and explore the site... you
> will be amazed
> [url]https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/extensions/[/url] (to install these you must
> go to the site with firefox)
>
> Tip 1: Many add-ons are not yet compatible with the fresh version 2 of
> FireFox, BUT you can use this add-on to
> trick them into thinking you are using the older version. I have seen 95% of
> the add-ons that I have tried work great!
> Get it here [url]http://users.blueprintit.co.uk/~dave/web/firefox/nightly[/url]
>
> See screenshots on how to use it:
> [url]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2797/compatible2ur7.jpg[/url]
>
> or if you upgraded from 1.5.x and your add-ons are no longer working.. see
> here: MAGIC!!!
> [url]http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5421/compatiblefz1.jpg[/url]
>
> NOTE: Its not possible to have tested all the FF add-ons so I can be sure
> that something may not go wrong, so you can try these add-ons on the
> portable version of FF you will see below, if all your add ons work good,
> then you can install them on the normal installed version of FF
>
> Tip2: If you dont want to install FF but you want to try it, you can use the
> PORTABLE version from here
> [url]www.portableapps.com[/url] RC3 is the SAME build (same thing) as version 2.0
> Portable apps normally are used on removable drives like USB sticks, but no
> one says you cant use them on your hard drive
> as normal programs! Thats what I do to avoid installing too much stuff.....
>
> I am unfortunately leaving out opera... I am doing this on purpose.. because
> they insist on holding on to their "strange" interface,
> that alienates new users....
>
>
>[/color]

William wrote:[color=blue]
> The premise of our argument is entirely FALSE. Internet Explorer 7 is an
> excellent browser.[/color]

LOL! If you can get it installed and after you configure all the work
arounds, it's a POS. It is excellent for providing repairs techs with
lots of work when IE7 is force fed through auto update.
[color=blue]
> The low quality in your argument is your argument.
>
> William[/color]

My, first an unsubstantiated claim that IE7 is excellent and then an ad
hominem attack. You, sir, have no argument.

Alias[color=blue]
>
> progressive realization wrote:[color=green]
>> I was afraid that firefox, Maxthon and Avantbrowser would lose lots of
>> dedicated users (well not ff users that much because
>> they love it for too many reasons) with the release of IE7. But now
>> the incredibly low quality of IE7 is a gift to those people who were
>> working on those alternative browsers. It seems that THEY are the ones
>> who will bring browsers to another level an keep advancing the
>> technology.
>>
>> I urge you to take a look at these alternative "shells" and firefox if
>> you have not done it yet:
>>
>> In other words, my main tip for IE7 users is to avoid using it :-)
>> (hehe I know.. I know but IE7s User interface is reeaaaalllllly bad)
>>
>> [url]www.avantbrowser.com[/url] >> this is the best shell (or alternative user
>> interface) for the IE6 or IE7 rendering engine.
>> If you want the extra security but hate the IE7 interface, install IE7
>> but use the avantbrowser shell (interface).
>> [url]www.Maxthon.com[/url] >> version 2.0 is coming very soon.. and it looks
>> nice....
>>
>> and of course Firefox [url]www.getfirefox.com[/url]
>>
>> Firefox has a simple interface when you first install it, BUT this
>> browser can do almost anything imaginable with add-ons,
>> so after installing it, go to tools> add-ons and explore the site...
>> you will be amazed
>> [url]https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/extensions/[/url] (to install these you
>> must go to the site with firefox)
>>
>> Tip 1: Many add-ons are not yet compatible with the fresh version 2 of
>> FireFox, BUT you can use this add-on to
>> trick them into thinking you are using the older version. I have seen
>> 95% of the add-ons that I have tried work great!
>> Get it here [url]http://users.blueprintit.co.uk/~dave/web/firefox/nightly[/url]
>>
>> See screenshots on how to use it:
>> [url]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2797/compatible2ur7.jpg[/url]
>>
>> or if you upgraded from 1.5.x and your add-ons are no longer
>> working.. see here: MAGIC!!!
>> [url]http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5421/compatiblefz1.jpg[/url]
>>
>> NOTE: Its not possible to have tested all the FF add-ons so I can be
>> sure that something may not go wrong, so you can try these add-ons on the
>> portable version of FF you will see below, if all your add ons work
>> good, then you can install them on the normal installed version of FF
>>
>> Tip2: If you dont want to install FF but you want to try it, you can
>> use the PORTABLE version from here
>> [url]www.portableapps.com[/url] RC3 is the SAME build (same thing) as version 2.0
>> Portable apps normally are used on removable drives like USB sticks,
>> but no one says you cant use them on your hard drive
>> as normal programs! Thats what I do to avoid installing too much
>> stuff.....
>>
>> I am unfortunately leaving out opera... I am doing this on purpose..
>> because they insist on holding on to their "strange" interface,
>> that alienates new users....
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]

William wrote:[color=blue]
> I have installed it and run it without a problem on many computers. It
> is an EXCELLENT browser![/color]

Your opinion, not a fact. Many people have had problems with it. So far,
I haven't seen anyone have problems with FF2.

Alias[color=blue]
>
>
> "Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
> news:%23DL$eDc%23GHA.1224@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> William wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> The premise of our argument is entirely FALSE. Internet Explorer 7 is
>>> an excellent browser.[/color]
>>
>> LOL! If you can get it installed and after you configure all the work
>> arounds, it's a POS. It is excellent for providing repairs techs with
>> lots of work when IE7 is force fed through auto update.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> The low quality in your argument is your argument.
>>>
>>> William[/color]
>>
>> My, first an unsubstantiated claim that IE7 is excellent and then an
>> ad hominem attack. You, sir, have no argument.
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> progressive realization wrote:
>>>> I was afraid that firefox, Maxthon and Avantbrowser would lose lots
>>>> of dedicated users (well not ff users that much because
>>>> they love it for too many reasons) with the release of IE7. But now
>>>> the incredibly low quality of IE7 is a gift to those people who were
>>>> working on those alternative browsers. It seems that THEY are the
>>>> ones who will bring browsers to another level an keep advancing the
>>>> technology.
>>>>
>>>> I urge you to take a look at these alternative "shells" and firefox
>>>> if you have not done it yet:
>>>>
>>>> In other words, my main tip for IE7 users is to avoid using it :-)
>>>> (hehe I know.. I know but IE7s User interface is reeaaaalllllly bad)
>>>>
>>>> [url]www.avantbrowser.com[/url] >> this is the best shell (or alternative user
>>>> interface) for the IE6 or IE7 rendering engine.
>>>> If you want the extra security but hate the IE7 interface, install
>>>> IE7 but use the avantbrowser shell (interface).
>>>> [url]www.Maxthon.com[/url] >> version 2.0 is coming very soon.. and it looks
>>>> nice....
>>>>
>>>> and of course Firefox [url]www.getfirefox.com[/url]
>>>>
>>>> Firefox has a simple interface when you first install it, BUT this
>>>> browser can do almost anything imaginable with add-ons,
>>>> so after installing it, go to tools> add-ons and explore the site...
>>>> you will be amazed
>>>> [url]https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/extensions/[/url] (to install these
>>>> you must go to the site with firefox)
>>>>
>>>> Tip 1: Many add-ons are not yet compatible with the fresh version 2
>>>> of FireFox, BUT you can use this add-on to
>>>> trick them into thinking you are using the older version. I have
>>>> seen 95% of the add-ons that I have tried work great!
>>>> Get it here [url]http://users.blueprintit.co.uk/~dave/web/firefox/nightly[/url]
>>>>
>>>> See screenshots on how to use it:
>>>> [url]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2797/compatible2ur7.jpg[/url]
>>>>
>>>> or if you upgraded from 1.5.x and your add-ons are no longer
>>>> working.. see here: MAGIC!!!
>>>> [url]http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5421/compatiblefz1.jpg[/url]
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: Its not possible to have tested all the FF add-ons so I can be
>>>> sure that something may not go wrong, so you can try these add-ons
>>>> on the
>>>> portable version of FF you will see below, if all your add ons work
>>>> good, then you can install them on the normal installed version of FF
>>>>
>>>> Tip2: If you dont want to install FF but you want to try it, you can
>>>> use the PORTABLE version from here
>>>> [url]www.portableapps.com[/url] RC3 is the SAME build (same thing) as version
>>>> 2.0
>>>> Portable apps normally are used on removable drives like USB sticks,
>>>> but no one says you cant use them on your hard drive
>>>> as normal programs! Thats what I do to avoid installing too much
>>>> stuff.....
>>>>
>>>> I am unfortunately leaving out opera... I am doing this on purpose..
>>>> because they insist on holding on to their "strange" interface,
>>>> that alienates new users....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

William how could you like it?... ok lets put apart the technology under the
hood...
And the crashes and problems other people are having,
I am sure those problems will be worked out with time...

Do you really like the interface? I mean you cant do anything with it..
Thats the only real thing I dont like about it.. the crashes will be sorted
out with time...
And probably someone will come up with a way to customize the interface...

What feild is your work in?

thanks..

"William" <woogles@charter.net> wrote in message
news:FF78BBB6-C8CF-4B77-85DB-8044DA118502@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>I have had NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS installing and running Internet Explorer 7
>on any computer. No crashes, no problems with the tabs, no problems with
>any other application, no need to customize the browser (I like the clean
>simple look much better than the junky cluttered look of Avant or Maxthon).
>And computers are not new to me, I have been in the Computer industry for
>25 years.
>
> William
>
> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
> news:uCQJgJc%23GHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Dont ask me.. read all the posts in this newsgroups and see what people
>> are saying.
>> If you have no problems then one or more or all of the following things
>> have happened:
>>
>> 1) You are extreamly lucky (it did not crash, the tabs worked, it did not
>> wreak other software)
>> 2) You are not a power user. In other words you dont want or need to
>> customize the browser,
>> or you use it for simple browsing.
>> 3) Your computer has been formated or windows installed recently and you
>> have a limited number of programs installed.
>> 4) You have bad taste
>> 5) You are not a "seasoned" computer user and the problems are invisible
>> to you.
>> 6) You are Bill Gates, a MVP or you work for Microsoft.
>>
>> Sorry...
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Many people have problems with life also, but the vast majority of
people run it just fine, especially the version that come with Windows
Vista. Internet Explorer 7 and Firefox 2 are the best browsers. I am
sure there are people who have problems with Firefox 2, however, I am
not one of them.

FACT not opinion.


Alias~- wrote:[color=blue]
> William wrote:[color=green]
>> I have installed it and run it without a problem on many computers. It
>> is an EXCELLENT browser![/color]
>
> Your opinion, not a fact. Many people have had problems with it. So far,
> I haven't seen anyone have problems with FF2.
>[/color]

If having no problems with IE7 were the only criteria about 1/2 of the
complaint posts here would not be.

Usability, features, options, add-ins, stability, security, etc. are the
reasons I use FF.


"William" <woogles@charter.net> wrote in message
news:FF78BBB6-C8CF-4B77-85DB-8044DA118502@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>I have had NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS installing and running Internet Explorer 7
>on any computer. No crashes, no problems with the tabs, no problems with
>any other application, no need to customize the browser (I like the clean
>simple look much better than the junky cluttered look of Avant or Maxthon).
>And computers are not new to me, I have been in the Computer industry for
>25 years.
>
> William
>
> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
> news:uCQJgJc%23GHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Dont ask me.. read all the posts in this newsgroups and see what people
>> are saying.
>> If you have no problems then one or more or all of the following things
>> have happened:
>>
>> 1) You are extreamly lucky (it did not crash, the tabs worked, it did not
>> wreak other software)
>> 2) You are not a power user. In other words you dont want or need to
>> customize the browser,
>> or you use it for simple browsing.
>> 3) Your computer has been formated or windows installed recently and you
>> have a limited number of programs installed.
>> 4) You have bad taste
>> 5) You are not a "seasoned" computer user and the problems are invisible
>> to you.
>> 6) You are Bill Gates, a MVP or you work for Microsoft.
>>
>> Sorry...
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Internet Explorer is a wonderful browser. I love the clean simple user
interface. It is stable and runs on all our computers beautifully. I
work for Boeing, and we have a great many different configurations and I
have not seen any problems with Internet Explorer 7 on any of them. I
wish there were an Internet Explorer 7 version for OS X and Linux.

William

progressive realization wrote:[color=blue]
> William how could you like it?... ok lets put apart the technology under the
> hood...
> And the crashes and problems other people are having,
> I am sure those problems will be worked out with time...
>
> Do you really like the interface? I mean you cant do anything with it..
> Thats the only real thing I dont like about it.. the crashes will be sorted
> out with time...
> And probably someone will come up with a way to customize the interface...
>
> What feild is your work in?
>
> thanks..
>
> "William" <woogles@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:FF78BBB6-C8CF-4B77-85DB-8044DA118502@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> I have had NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS installing and running Internet Explorer 7
>> on any computer. No crashes, no problems with the tabs, no problems with
>> any other application, no need to customize the browser (I like the clean
>> simple look much better than the junky cluttered look of Avant or Maxthon).
>> And computers are not new to me, I have been in the Computer industry for
>> 25 years.
>>
>> William
>>
>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>> news:uCQJgJc%23GHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Dont ask me.. read all the posts in this newsgroups and see what people
>>> are saying.
>>> If you have no problems then one or more or all of the following things
>>> have happened:
>>>
>>> 1) You are extreamly lucky (it did not crash, the tabs worked, it did not
>>> wreak other software)
>>> 2) You are not a power user. In other words you dont want or need to
>>> customize the browser,
>>> or you use it for simple browsing.
>>> 3) Your computer has been formated or windows installed recently and you
>>> have a limited number of programs installed.
>>> 4) You have bad taste
>>> 5) You are not a "seasoned" computer user and the problems are invisible
>>> to you.
>>> 6) You are Bill Gates, a MVP or you work for Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Sorry...
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

any pre-install advice as I yet to upgrade my XP computers to IE7?
I was looking forward to a tabbed IE but after using IE in Vista the
prospect of the new release for XP didn't have me downloading ASAP.

I did install FF2 & the release candidates for this browser - love it but
miss it in Vista :( I have just made a full backup of one of my XP computers
before any decision to install IE7 don't want this on an auto as I would
prefer to know when I am going to install. Read various posts about install
problems - presume the less running in the background the more chance of a
successful install?

I will still use FF as my main browser but know the odd time I have to run IE.


"William" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have had NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS installing and running Internet Explorer 7
> on any computer. No crashes, no problems with the tabs, no problems with any
> other application, no need to customize the browser (I like the clean simple
> look much better than the junky cluttered look of Avant or Maxthon). And
> computers are not new to me, I have been in the Computer industry for 25
> years.
>
> William
>
> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
> news:uCQJgJc%23GHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Dont ask me.. read all the posts in this newsgroups and see what people
> > are saying.
> > If you have no problems then one or more or all of the following things
> > have happened:
> >
> > 1) You are extreamly lucky (it did not crash, the tabs worked, it did not
> > wreak other software)
> > 2) You are not a power user. In other words you dont want or need to
> > customize the browser,
> > or you use it for simple browsing.
> > 3) Your computer has been formated or windows installed recently and you
> > have a limited number of programs installed.
> > 4) You have bad taste
> > 5) You are not a "seasoned" computer user and the problems are invisible
> > to you.
> > 6) You are Bill Gates, a MVP or you work for Microsoft.
> >
> > Sorry...
> >
> >[/color]
>[/color]

My wife upgraded her own computer with Internet Explorer 7 and runs it
just fine without a problem, and she is hardly a tech geek. 'It is so
easy to use, even a Caveman, ... or my wife, can use it.'

Internet Explorer 6 was a piece of junk, however, Internet Explorer 7 is
the best thing since... well, move over sliced bread!

William

Alias~- wrote:[color=blue]
> William wrote:[color=green]
>> The premise of our argument is entirely FALSE. Internet Explorer 7 is
>> an excellent browser.[/color]
>
> LOL! If you can get it installed and after you configure all the work
> arounds, it's a POS. It is excellent for providing repairs techs with
> lots of work when IE7 is force fed through auto update.
>[/color]

I do not have a problem with Firefox 2. I think it is an excellent
browser. I use both Internet Explorer 7 and Firefox 2 regularly.

William

J. Ryan wrote:[color=blue]
> If having no problems with IE7 were the only criteria about 1/2 of the
> complaint posts here would not be.
>
> Usability, features, options, add-ins, stability, security, etc. are the
> reasons I use FF.
>
>
> "William" <woogles@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:FF78BBB6-C8CF-4B77-85DB-8044DA118502@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> I have had NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS installing and running Internet Explorer 7
>> on any computer. No crashes, no problems with the tabs, no problems with
>> any other application, no need to customize the browser (I like the clean
>> simple look much better than the junky cluttered look of Avant or Maxthon).
>> And computers are not new to me, I have been in the Computer industry for
>> 25 years.
>>
>> William
>>
>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>> news:uCQJgJc%23GHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Dont ask me.. read all the posts in this newsgroups and see what people
>>> are saying.
>>> If you have no problems then one or more or all of the following things
>>> have happened:
>>>
>>> 1) You are extreamly lucky (it did not crash, the tabs worked, it did not
>>> wreak other software)
>>> 2) You are not a power user. In other words you dont want or need to
>>> customize the browser,
>>> or you use it for simple browsing.
>>> 3) Your computer has been formated or windows installed recently and you
>>> have a limited number of programs installed.
>>> 4) You have bad taste
>>> 5) You are not a "seasoned" computer user and the problems are invisible
>>> to you.
>>> 6) You are Bill Gates, a MVP or you work for Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Sorry...
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

You can install and run Firefox 2 on a computer running Vista. I think
it actually runs better on Vista than on XP.

William

pippin wrote:[color=blue]
> any pre-install advice as I yet to upgrade my XP computers to IE7?
> I was looking forward to a tabbed IE but after using IE in Vista the
> prospect of the new release for XP didn't have me downloading ASAP.
>
> I did install FF2 & the release candidates for this browser - love it but
> miss it in Vista :( I have just made a full backup of one of my XP computers
> before any decision to install IE7 don't want this on an auto as I would
> prefer to know when I am going to install. Read various posts about install
> problems - presume the less running in the background the more chance of a
> successful install?
>
> I will still use FF as my main browser but know the odd time I have to run IE.
>
>
> "William" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I have had NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS installing and running Internet Explorer 7
>> on any computer. No crashes, no problems with the tabs, no problems with any
>> other application, no need to customize the browser (I like the clean simple
>> look much better than the junky cluttered look of Avant or Maxthon). And
>> computers are not new to me, I have been in the Computer industry for 25
>> years.
>>
>> William
>>
>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>> news:uCQJgJc%23GHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Dont ask me.. read all the posts in this newsgroups and see what people
>>> are saying.
>>> If you have no problems then one or more or all of the following things
>>> have happened:
>>>
>>> 1) You are extreamly lucky (it did not crash, the tabs worked, it did not
>>> wreak other software)
>>> 2) You are not a power user. In other words you dont want or need to
>>> customize the browser,
>>> or you use it for simple browsing.
>>> 3) Your computer has been formated or windows installed recently and you
>>> have a limited number of programs installed.
>>> 4) You have bad taste
>>> 5) You are not a "seasoned" computer user and the problems are invisible
>>> to you.
>>> 6) You are Bill Gates, a MVP or you work for Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Sorry...
>>>
>>>[/color][/color][/color]