Bill: Lets get real: You: Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip...
me: Check out a program called 'TopDesk'..it does the same thing for about
$10.00, has more flexibilty that Vista's version too.

You: Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive,
Me: I have a problem with using a USB thumbdrive as a speedbooster...God
forbid it should fall out, or my dog used it for a chewtoy...or maybe my 3
year old toddler grabbed it..

You: lets not
forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
Me: 64 Bit? Very few people used it for XP...the drivers are hard to
find...and I predict no one will use it for Vista: Quote from Paul
thurrott's Supersite: The x64 stuff is still a nightmare. My guess is that it
will always be a nightmare. So unless you have some specific workstation-type
needs for more than 4 GB of RAM and very specific applications, please just
skip out on x64 Vista versions entirely. There's no happy ending there and
your sanity hangs in the balance.
You: Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
Me: Get real: IPv6 is not used by anyone..near as I can tell there are a
few Government agencies testing it on a limited basis...it remians to be seen
of it will catch on.

Vista has no real advantage over Xp..its a mistake. Much like Windows
Millinium..


"Bill Frisbee" wrote:

> Jon, Jon, Jon, if you are only going to respond to one section, you ain't
> playing by the rules....
>
> How the holy heck does a good firewall and AV give you:
> Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels
>
> Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
> sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.
>
> Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
> on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know it's
> not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).
>
> Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
> Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
> XP.
>
> BitLocker.
>
> Integrated Media Center with extenders.
>
> Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
> functionalities for laptop computing needs.
>
> Comments?
>
> Bill F.
>
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:562BC69F-2A02-4F46-BA2F-A60628C0D45A@microsoft.com...
> > Bill Bill Bill, Everything you have mentioned can be had with a Good
> > Firewall
> > and antivirus protection. There is no real reason anyone needs Windows
> > Vista
> > and the baggage Microsoft has attached to it. You're sitting there
> > telling
> > me this upgrade is as important as going from Windows 3.1 to Win 95. This
> > simply is not true....Windows Xp can do everything anyone needs to do
> > within
> > reason. Vista is simply bloatware. C'mon..admit it! Microsoft had to
> > cancel the original project and rename it to Vista...its a failed project.
> > I
> > will never downgrade to it.
> >
> > "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
> >
> >> Lets start with security (via service hardening, improved firewall, and
> >> user
> >> level network access protection), UAC and malware protection via
> >> integrated
> >> Windows Defender thru Security Center. Protected mode
> >>
> >> Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels
> >>
> >> Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
> >> sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.
> >>
> >> Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
> >> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit
> >> goodness
> >> on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know
> >> it's
> >> not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).
> >>
> >> Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
> >> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth
> >> connections...
> >> Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
> >> XP.
> >>
> >> BitLocker.
> >>
> >> Integrated Media Center with extenders.
> >>
> >> Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
> >> functionalities for laptop computing needs.
> >>
> >>
> >> If you honestly think Vista looks anything like MacOS X you really
> >> haven't
> >> used either.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill F.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> >> news:183D3581-25E0-4D25-AA5A-A654CB295EBF@microsoft.com...
> >> > What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
> >> > over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
> >> >
> >> > Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP? Such as when one
> >> > migrated
> >> > from Windows 3.1 to Win 95? I seriously doubt that. It it the
> >> > Macintosh
> >> > like graphics? No? You tell me. Make it good.
> >> >
> >> > "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> >> >> news:7CE36163-F07B-44B5-8F6F-7A509473F144@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > 1. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from themselves.
> >> >> > Is
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do this
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > its
> >> >> > own, right smart guy?
> >> >>
> >> >> So far, apparently. Either the majority of users don't care enough to
> >> >> look
> >> >> at what they get in a link before clicking it, or letting something
> >> >> run
> >> >> willy-nilly on said systems. It wasn't really till SP2 for XP that
> >> >> people
> >> >> started paying attention to Windows Update, and only then because it
> >> >> would/could force you to do so.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > 2. More than half of my programs were not compatible with Vista's
> >> >> > Aero
> >> >> > look. The annoying switch back and forth between Aero and Windows
> >> >> > standard
> >> >> > was flaky, and more than a little annoying.
> >> >>
> >> >> And that is Microsoft's fault how? If you were running a 16 bit
> >> >> program
> >> >> on
> >> >> 64 bit Windows (not that you can anyways) is that Microsoft's fault it
> >> >> doesn't work? Nope, it's the app developer. Its not hard to make
> >> >> things
> >> >> Vista compatible.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > 3. You are very wrong about this. There is something called
> >> >> > 'common
> >> >> > sense'. Check out task manger when running the same program with
> >> >> > Vista,
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > opposed to XP. Vista does use much more.
> >> >>
> >> >> No it doesn't. My common apps are Office, World of Warcraft, IL-2
> >> >> Sturmovik,
> >> >> IE and WMP. All of them use about the same as when on XP.
> >> >>
> >> >> > 4. I do not agree. Vista's prices are MUCH higher. The full
> >> >> > version
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > Vista Ultimate is listed as $400.00 plus at Amazon. Microsoft
> >> >> > recently
> >> >> > had
> >> >> > Amazon pull the prices, probably because they intend to raise them,
> >> >> > again....$$$ M$
> >> >>
> >> >> You need to check your math again. XP Pro is not the equivalent
> >> >> package
> >> >> as
> >> >> Windows Vista Ultimate.
> >> >>
> >> >> > 5. Wrong. My Documents exit, I moved my Folder over from XP. It
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > silly
> >> >> > to eliminate it. Let me get this straight, in your own
> >> >> > words...locking
> >> >> > out
> >> >> > operating system files for the average joe is a good thing? Maybe
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > your
> >> >> > case, this is true.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please read up a bit more on My Document behaviour under Vista and get
> >> >> back
> >> >> to me OK?
> >> >> Locking out OS files for the Average Joe is a VERY good thing. To
> >> >> think
> >> >> otherwise is a bit naive.
> >> >>
> >> >> > 6. Slippage? Well then, maybe the price should slip too.
> >> >>
> >> >> The equivalent Vista version is slightly LESS expensive than XP.
> >> >>
> >> >> > 7. For the same reason that people moved to say, Windows Millinium?
> >> >> > Everyone should remember Microsoft;s problem child. Windows
> >> >> > Millinium
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > disgrace. So no, Just because a new OS comes out does not mean
> >> >> > everyone
> >> >> > should rush in to upgrade.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is true in some cases, however the level of advantages that Vista
> >> >> gives
> >> >> over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
> >> >>
> >> >> > 8. EULA is totally unfair. Nowhere with any previous version of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Windows OS with a retail copy the User was able to move it to a new
> >> >> > PC,
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > long as they had uninstalled the old one, or it no longer existed.
> >> >> > Vista
> >> >> > represents GREED, not need, or security.
> >> >>
> >> >> As I said I have not read the EULA yet, and won't comment till I do.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill F.
> >> >>
> >>
>

"Jon Acord" wrote:

> Bill: Lets get real: You: Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip...
> me: Check out a program called 'TopDesk'..it does the same thing for about
> $10.00, has more flexibilty that Vista's version too.
>
> You: Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive,
> Me: I have a problem with using a USB thumbdrive as a speedbooster...God
> forbid it should fall out, or my dog used it for a chewtoy...or maybe my 3
> year old toddler grabbed it..
>
> You: lets not
> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
> Me: 64 Bit? Very few people used it for XP...the drivers are hard to
> find...and I predict no one will use it for Vista: Quote from Paul
> thurrott's Supersite: The x64 stuff is still a nightmare. My guess is that it
> will always be a nightmare. So unless you have some specific workstation-type
> needs for more than 4 GB of RAM and very specific applications, please just
> skip out on x64 Vista versions entirely. There's no happy ending there and
> your sanity hangs in the balance.
> You: Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
> Me: Get real: IPv6 is not used by anyone..near as I can tell there are a
> few Government agencies testing it on a limited basis...it remians to be seen
> of it will catch on.
>
> Vista has no real advantage over Xp..its a mistake. Much like Windows
> Millinium..
>
>
> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>
> > Jon, Jon, Jon, if you are only going to respond to one section, you ain't
> > playing by the rules....
> >
> > How the holy heck does a good firewall and AV give you:
> > Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels
> >
> > Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
> > sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.
> >
> > Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
> > forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
> > on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know it's
> > not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).
> >
> > Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
> > optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
> > Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
> > XP.
> >
> > BitLocker.
> >
> > Integrated Media Center with extenders.
> >
> > Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
> > functionalities for laptop computing needs.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Bill F.
> >
> >
> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > news:562BC69F-2A02-4F46-BA2F-A60628C0D45A@microsoft.com...
> > > Bill Bill Bill, Everything you have mentioned can be had with a Good
> > > Firewall
> > > and antivirus protection. There is no real reason anyone needs Windows
> > > Vista
> > > and the baggage Microsoft has attached to it. You're sitting there
> > > telling
> > > me this upgrade is as important as going from Windows 3.1 to Win 95. This
> > > simply is not true....Windows Xp can do everything anyone needs to do
> > > within
> > > reason. Vista is simply bloatware. C'mon..admit it! Microsoft had to
> > > cancel the original project and rename it to Vista...its a failed project.
> > > I
> > > will never downgrade to it.
> > >
> > > "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Lets start with security (via service hardening, improved firewall, and
> > >> user
> > >> level network access protection), UAC and malware protection via
> > >> integrated
> > >> Windows Defender thru Security Center. Protected mode
> > >>
> > >> Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels
> > >>
> > >> Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
> > >> sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.
> > >>
> > >> Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
> > >> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit
> > >> goodness
> > >> on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know
> > >> it's
> > >> not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).
> > >>
> > >> Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
> > >> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth
> > >> connections...
> > >> Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
> > >> XP.
> > >>
> > >> BitLocker.
> > >>
> > >> Integrated Media Center with extenders.
> > >>
> > >> Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
> > >> functionalities for laptop computing needs.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> If you honestly think Vista looks anything like MacOS X you really
> > >> haven't
> > >> used either.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Bill F.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > >> news:183D3581-25E0-4D25-AA5A-A654CB295EBF@microsoft.com...
> > >> > What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
> > >> > over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
> > >> >
> > >> > Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP? Such as when one
> > >> > migrated
> > >> > from Windows 3.1 to Win 95? I seriously doubt that. It it the
> > >> > Macintosh
> > >> > like graphics? No? You tell me. Make it good.
> > >> >
> > >> > "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:7CE36163-F07B-44B5-8F6F-7A509473F144@microsoft.com...
> > >> >> > 1. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from themselves.
> > >> >> > Is
> > >> >> > that
> > >> >> > what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do this
> > >> >> > on
> > >> >> > its
> > >> >> > own, right smart guy?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> So far, apparently. Either the majority of users don't care enough to
> > >> >> look
> > >> >> at what they get in a link before clicking it, or letting something
> > >> >> run
> > >> >> willy-nilly on said systems. It wasn't really till SP2 for XP that
> > >> >> people
> > >> >> started paying attention to Windows Update, and only then because it
> > >> >> would/could force you to do so.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 2. More than half of my programs were not compatible with Vista's
> > >> >> > Aero
> > >> >> > look. The annoying switch back and forth between Aero and Windows
> > >> >> > standard
> > >> >> > was flaky, and more than a little annoying.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> And that is Microsoft's fault how? If you were running a 16 bit
> > >> >> program
> > >> >> on
> > >> >> 64 bit Windows (not that you can anyways) is that Microsoft's fault it
> > >> >> doesn't work? Nope, it's the app developer. Its not hard to make
> > >> >> things
> > >> >> Vista compatible.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 3. You are very wrong about this. There is something called
> > >> >> > 'common
> > >> >> > sense'. Check out task manger when running the same program with
> > >> >> > Vista,
> > >> >> > as
> > >> >> > opposed to XP. Vista does use much more.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> No it doesn't. My common apps are Office, World of Warcraft, IL-2
> > >> >> Sturmovik,
> > >> >> IE and WMP. All of them use about the same as when on XP.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 4. I do not agree. Vista's prices are MUCH higher. The full
> > >> >> > version
> > >> >> > of
> > >> >> > Vista Ultimate is listed as $400.00 plus at Amazon. Microsoft
> > >> >> > recently
> > >> >> > had
> > >> >> > Amazon pull the prices, probably because they intend to raise them,
> > >> >> > again....$$$ M$
> > >> >>
> > >> >> You need to check your math again. XP Pro is not the equivalent
> > >> >> package
> > >> >> as
> > >> >> Windows Vista Ultimate.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 5. Wrong. My Documents exit, I moved my Folder over from XP. It
> > >> >> > was
> > >> >> > silly
> > >> >> > to eliminate it. Let me get this straight, in your own
> > >> >> > words...locking
> > >> >> > out
> > >> >> > operating system files for the average joe is a good thing? Maybe
> > >> >> > in
> > >> >> > your
> > >> >> > case, this is true.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Please read up a bit more on My Document behaviour under Vista and get
> > >> >> back
> > >> >> to me OK?
> > >> >> Locking out OS files for the Average Joe is a VERY good thing. To
> > >> >> think
> > >> >> otherwise is a bit naive.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 6. Slippage? Well then, maybe the price should slip too.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The equivalent Vista version is slightly LESS expensive than XP.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 7. For the same reason that people moved to say, Windows Millinium?
> > >> >> > Everyone should remember Microsoft;s problem child. Windows
> > >> >> > Millinium
> > >> >> > was
> > >> >> > a
> > >> >> > disgrace. So no, Just because a new OS comes out does not mean
> > >> >> > everyone
> > >> >> > should rush in to upgrade.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This is true in some cases, however the level of advantages that Vista
> > >> >> gives
> > >> >> over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 8. EULA is totally unfair. Nowhere with any previous version of
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > Windows OS with a retail copy the User was able to move it to a new
> > >> >> > PC,
> > >> >> > as
> > >> >> > long as they had uninstalled the old one, or it no longer existed.
> > >> >> > Vista
> > >> >> > represents GREED, not need, or security.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> As I said I have not read the EULA yet, and won't comment till I do.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Bill F.
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >

Jon, you are an idiot.

Thanks for the lack of intelligence or common sense in your posts.

Reminds me how many stupid people put idiotic reasons like my dog eats my
flash.... to justify technical discussions.

Much laughing; thanks.

jimIT

"Jon Acord" wrote:

> Bill: Lets get real: You: Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip...
> me: Check out a program called 'TopDesk'..it does the same thing for about
> $10.00, has more flexibilty that Vista's version too.
>
> You: Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive,
> Me: I have a problem with using a USB thumbdrive as a speedbooster...God
> forbid it should fall out, or my dog used it for a chewtoy...or maybe my 3
> year old toddler grabbed it..
>
> You: lets not
> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
> Me: 64 Bit? Very few people used it for XP...the drivers are hard to
> find...and I predict no one will use it for Vista: Quote from Paul
> thurrott's Supersite: The x64 stuff is still a nightmare. My guess is that it
> will always be a nightmare. So unless you have some specific workstation-type
> needs for more than 4 GB of RAM and very specific applications, please just
> skip out on x64 Vista versions entirely. There's no happy ending there and
> your sanity hangs in the balance.
> You: Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
> Me: Get real: IPv6 is not used by anyone..near as I can tell there are a
> few Government agencies testing it on a limited basis...it remians to be seen
> of it will catch on.
>
> Vista has no real advantage over Xp..its a mistake. Much like Windows
> Millinium..
>
>
> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>
> > Jon, Jon, Jon, if you are only going to respond to one section, you ain't
> > playing by the rules....
> >
> > How the holy heck does a good firewall and AV give you:
> > Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels
> >
> > Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
> > sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.
> >
> > Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
> > forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
> > on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know it's
> > not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).
> >
> > Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
> > optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
> > Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
> > XP.
> >
> > BitLocker.
> >
> > Integrated Media Center with extenders.
> >
> > Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
> > functionalities for laptop computing needs.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Bill F.
> >
> >
> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > news:562BC69F-2A02-4F46-BA2F-A60628C0D45A@microsoft.com...
> > > Bill Bill Bill, Everything you have mentioned can be had with a Good
> > > Firewall
> > > and antivirus protection. There is no real reason anyone needs Windows
> > > Vista
> > > and the baggage Microsoft has attached to it. You're sitting there
> > > telling
> > > me this upgrade is as important as going from Windows 3.1 to Win 95. This
> > > simply is not true....Windows Xp can do everything anyone needs to do
> > > within
> > > reason. Vista is simply bloatware. C'mon..admit it! Microsoft had to
> > > cancel the original project and rename it to Vista...its a failed project.
> > > I
> > > will never downgrade to it.
> > >
> > > "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Lets start with security (via service hardening, improved firewall, and
> > >> user
> > >> level network access protection), UAC and malware protection via
> > >> integrated
> > >> Windows Defender thru Security Center. Protected mode
> > >>
> > >> Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels
> > >>
> > >> Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
> > >> sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.
> > >>
> > >> Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
> > >> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit
> > >> goodness
> > >> on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know
> > >> it's
> > >> not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).
> > >>
> > >> Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
> > >> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth
> > >> connections...
> > >> Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
> > >> XP.
> > >>
> > >> BitLocker.
> > >>
> > >> Integrated Media Center with extenders.
> > >>
> > >> Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
> > >> functionalities for laptop computing needs.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> If you honestly think Vista looks anything like MacOS X you really
> > >> haven't
> > >> used either.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Bill F.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > >> news:183D3581-25E0-4D25-AA5A-A654CB295EBF@microsoft.com...
> > >> > What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
> > >> > over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
> > >> >
> > >> > Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP? Such as when one
> > >> > migrated
> > >> > from Windows 3.1 to Win 95? I seriously doubt that. It it the
> > >> > Macintosh
> > >> > like graphics? No? You tell me. Make it good.
> > >> >
> > >> > "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:7CE36163-F07B-44B5-8F6F-7A509473F144@microsoft.com...
> > >> >> > 1. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from themselves.
> > >> >> > Is
> > >> >> > that
> > >> >> > what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do this
> > >> >> > on
> > >> >> > its
> > >> >> > own, right smart guy?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> So far, apparently. Either the majority of users don't care enough to
> > >> >> look
> > >> >> at what they get in a link before clicking it, or letting something
> > >> >> run
> > >> >> willy-nilly on said systems. It wasn't really till SP2 for XP that
> > >> >> people
> > >> >> started paying attention to Windows Update, and only then because it
> > >> >> would/could force you to do so.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 2. More than half of my programs were not compatible with Vista's
> > >> >> > Aero
> > >> >> > look. The annoying switch back and forth between Aero and Windows
> > >> >> > standard
> > >> >> > was flaky, and more than a little annoying.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> And that is Microsoft's fault how? If you were running a 16 bit
> > >> >> program
> > >> >> on
> > >> >> 64 bit Windows (not that you can anyways) is that Microsoft's fault it
> > >> >> doesn't work? Nope, it's the app developer. Its not hard to make
> > >> >> things
> > >> >> Vista compatible.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 3. You are very wrong about this. There is something called
> > >> >> > 'common
> > >> >> > sense'. Check out task manger when running the same program with
> > >> >> > Vista,
> > >> >> > as
> > >> >> > opposed to XP. Vista does use much more.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> No it doesn't. My common apps are Office, World of Warcraft, IL-2
> > >> >> Sturmovik,
> > >> >> IE and WMP. All of them use about the same as when on XP.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 4. I do not agree. Vista's prices are MUCH higher. The full
> > >> >> > version
> > >> >> > of
> > >> >> > Vista Ultimate is listed as $400.00 plus at Amazon. Microsoft
> > >> >> > recently
> > >> >> > had
> > >> >> > Amazon pull the prices, probably because they intend to raise them,
> > >> >> > again....$$$ M$
> > >> >>
> > >> >> You need to check your math again. XP Pro is not the equivalent
> > >> >> package
> > >> >> as
> > >> >> Windows Vista Ultimate.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 5. Wrong. My Documents exit, I moved my Folder over from XP. It
> > >> >> > was
> > >> >> > silly
> > >> >> > to eliminate it. Let me get this straight, in your own
> > >> >> > words...locking
> > >> >> > out
> > >> >> > operating system files for the average joe is a good thing? Maybe
> > >> >> > in
> > >> >> > your
> > >> >> > case, this is true.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Please read up a bit more on My Document behaviour under Vista and get
> > >> >> back
> > >> >> to me OK?
> > >> >> Locking out OS files for the Average Joe is a VERY good thing. To
> > >> >> think
> > >> >> otherwise is a bit naive.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 6. Slippage? Well then, maybe the price should slip too.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The equivalent Vista version is slightly LESS expensive than XP.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 7. For the same reason that people moved to say, Windows Millinium?
> > >> >> > Everyone should remember Microsoft;s problem child. Windows
> > >> >> > Millinium
> > >> >> > was
> > >> >> > a
> > >> >> > disgrace. So no, Just because a new OS comes out does not mean
> > >> >> > everyone
> > >> >> > should rush in to upgrade.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This is true in some cases, however the level of advantages that Vista
> > >> >> gives
> > >> >> over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > 8. EULA is totally unfair. Nowhere with any previous version of
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > Windows OS with a retail copy the User was able to move it to a new
> > >> >> > PC,
> > >> >> > as
> > >> >> > long as they had uninstalled the old one, or it no longer existed.
> > >> >> > Vista
> > >> >> > represents GREED, not need, or security.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> As I said I have not read the EULA yet, and won't comment till I do.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Bill F.
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >

Jon,

Third party can do a lot of things. We ain't talking third party. We are
talking out of the box. Not to mention TopDesk runs on top of Windows.
Unlike XP, Vista's GUI is off loaded to the GPU. XP can't do that. Not even
close. Please review:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/net.../aa663321.aspx


If your USB falls out, its not a big deal, Windows Vista still runs, simply
not as fast. SuperFetch and ReadyDrive have nothing at all to do with your
USB key. Again, your lack of product knowledge is showing.

x64 is the future. Its not a mature platform yet, but its quickly becoming
so, now that nearly all of Intel's and AMD's processors are 64 bit from the
bottom to the top of the market lines.
If you think x64 just allows you to go more than 4GB of RAM, you really need
to understand x64 a lot better and what a 64 bit OS gives you.

Like it or not IPv6 is the future. We are nearly out of IPv4 address space,
and IPv6 is the only solution. IPv6 is only one portion of the advances in
the Vista TCP/IP stack. Please review:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/net.../aa663324.aspx

To think Vista has no real advantage over XP is a BIG mistake.

I've said it before, the move from XP to Vista will be as big and as
important as the move from 3.11 to 95.


Bill F.


"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:995B6181-3AF2-45E4-9164-F04294371A2F@microsoft.com...
> Bill: Lets get real: You: Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip...
> me: Check out a program called 'TopDesk'..it does the same thing for
> about
> $10.00, has more flexibilty that Vista's version too.
>
> You: Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive,
> Me: I have a problem with using a USB thumbdrive as a speedbooster...God
> forbid it should fall out, or my dog used it for a chewtoy...or maybe my 3
> year old toddler grabbed it..
>
> You: lets not
> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
> Me: 64 Bit? Very few people used it for XP...the drivers are hard to
> find...and I predict no one will use it for Vista: Quote from Paul
> thurrott's Supersite: The x64 stuff is still a nightmare. My guess is that
> it
> will always be a nightmare. So unless you have some specific
> workstation-type
> needs for more than 4 GB of RAM and very specific applications, please
> just
> skip out on x64 Vista versions entirely. There's no happy ending there and
> your sanity hangs in the balance.
> You: Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth
> connections...
> Me: Get real: IPv6 is not used by anyone..near as I can tell there are a
> few Government agencies testing it on a limited basis...it remians to be
> seen
> of it will catch on.
>
> Vista has no real advantage over Xp..its a mistake. Much like Windows
> Millinium..
>
>
> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>
>> Jon, Jon, Jon, if you are only going to respond to one section, you ain't
>> playing by the rules....
>>
>> How the holy heck does a good firewall and AV give you:
>> Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels
>>
>> Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
>> sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.
>>
>> Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
>> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit
>> goodness
>> on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know
>> it's
>> not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).
>>
>> Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
>> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth
>> connections...
>> Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that
>> in
>> XP.
>>
>> BitLocker.
>>
>> Integrated Media Center with extenders.
>>
>> Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
>> functionalities for laptop computing needs.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Bill F.
>>
>>
>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> news:562BC69F-2A02-4F46-BA2F-A60628C0D45A@microsoft.com...
>> > Bill Bill Bill, Everything you have mentioned can be had with a Good
>> > Firewall
>> > and antivirus protection. There is no real reason anyone needs Windows
>> > Vista
>> > and the baggage Microsoft has attached to it. You're sitting there
>> > telling
>> > me this upgrade is as important as going from Windows 3.1 to Win 95.
>> > This
>> > simply is not true....Windows Xp can do everything anyone needs to do
>> > within
>> > reason. Vista is simply bloatware. C'mon..admit it! Microsoft had to
>> > cancel the original project and rename it to Vista...its a failed
>> > project.
>> > I
>> > will never downgrade to it.
>> >
>> > "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Lets start with security (via service hardening, improved firewall,
>> >> and
>> >> user
>> >> level network access protection), UAC and malware protection via
>> >> integrated
>> >> Windows Defender thru Security Center. Protected mode
>> >>
>> >> Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels
>> >>
>> >> Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes
>> >> better
>> >> sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.
>> >>
>> >> Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
>> >> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit
>> >> goodness
>> >> on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know
>> >> it's
>> >> not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).
>> >>
>> >> Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
>> >> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth
>> >> connections...
>> >> Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that
>> >> in
>> >> XP.
>> >>
>> >> BitLocker.
>> >>
>> >> Integrated Media Center with extenders.
>> >>
>> >> Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
>> >> functionalities for laptop computing needs.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If you honestly think Vista looks anything like MacOS X you really
>> >> haven't
>> >> used either.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bill F.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> >> news:183D3581-25E0-4D25-AA5A-A654CB295EBF@microsoft.com...
>> >> > What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
>> >> > over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP? Such as when one
>> >> > migrated
>> >> > from Windows 3.1 to Win 95? I seriously doubt that. It it the
>> >> > Macintosh
>> >> > like graphics? No? You tell me. Make it good.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:7CE36163-F07B-44B5-8F6F-7A509473F144@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > 1. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from
>> >> >> > themselves.
>> >> >> > Is
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > its
>> >> >> > own, right smart guy?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So far, apparently. Either the majority of users don't care enough
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> look
>> >> >> at what they get in a link before clicking it, or letting something
>> >> >> run
>> >> >> willy-nilly on said systems. It wasn't really till SP2 for XP that
>> >> >> people
>> >> >> started paying attention to Windows Update, and only then because
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> would/could force you to do so.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 2. More than half of my programs were not compatible with
>> >> >> > Vista's
>> >> >> > Aero
>> >> >> > look. The annoying switch back and forth between Aero and
>> >> >> > Windows
>> >> >> > standard
>> >> >> > was flaky, and more than a little annoying.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And that is Microsoft's fault how? If you were running a 16 bit
>> >> >> program
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> 64 bit Windows (not that you can anyways) is that Microsoft's fault
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> doesn't work? Nope, it's the app developer. Its not hard to make
>> >> >> things
>> >> >> Vista compatible.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 3. You are very wrong about this. There is something called
>> >> >> > 'common
>> >> >> > sense'. Check out task manger when running the same program with
>> >> >> > Vista,
>> >> >> > as
>> >> >> > opposed to XP. Vista does use much more.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No it doesn't. My common apps are Office, World of Warcraft, IL-2
>> >> >> Sturmovik,
>> >> >> IE and WMP. All of them use about the same as when on XP.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 4. I do not agree. Vista's prices are MUCH higher. The full
>> >> >> > version
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > Vista Ultimate is listed as $400.00 plus at Amazon. Microsoft
>> >> >> > recently
>> >> >> > had
>> >> >> > Amazon pull the prices, probably because they intend to raise
>> >> >> > them,
>> >> >> > again....$$$ M$
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You need to check your math again. XP Pro is not the equivalent
>> >> >> package
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> Windows Vista Ultimate.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 5. Wrong. My Documents exit, I moved my Folder over from XP.
>> >> >> > It
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > silly
>> >> >> > to eliminate it. Let me get this straight, in your own
>> >> >> > words...locking
>> >> >> > out
>> >> >> > operating system files for the average joe is a good thing?
>> >> >> > Maybe
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > your
>> >> >> > case, this is true.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please read up a bit more on My Document behaviour under Vista and
>> >> >> get
>> >> >> back
>> >> >> to me OK?
>> >> >> Locking out OS files for the Average Joe is a VERY good thing. To
>> >> >> think
>> >> >> otherwise is a bit naive.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 6. Slippage? Well then, maybe the price should slip too.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The equivalent Vista version is slightly LESS expensive than XP.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 7. For the same reason that people moved to say, Windows
>> >> >> > Millinium?
>> >> >> > Everyone should remember Microsoft;s problem child. Windows
>> >> >> > Millinium
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > disgrace. So no, Just because a new OS comes out does not mean
>> >> >> > everyone
>> >> >> > should rush in to upgrade.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This is true in some cases, however the level of advantages that
>> >> >> Vista
>> >> >> gives
>> >> >> over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 8. EULA is totally unfair. Nowhere with any previous version of
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > Windows OS with a retail copy the User was able to move it to a
>> >> >> > new
>> >> >> > PC,
>> >> >> > as
>> >> >> > long as they had uninstalled the old one, or it no longer
>> >> >> > existed.
>> >> >> > Vista
>> >> >> > represents GREED, not need, or security.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As I said I have not read the EULA yet, and won't comment till I
>> >> >> do.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bill F.
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>