Quotes from ‘The Matrix’ 1999

Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it
in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy, and delicious.
After nine years, you know what I realise? Ignorance is bliss.

Microsoft is telling us according to the EULA that we do not own the
software. We have very few rights.

I want everyone to check out this link: in detail it outlines the EULA.

Fair Warning:
you are a slave Neo, like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born
into a prison that you can not smell or taste or touch. A prison for your
mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see
what it is for yourself. This is your last chance. After this there is no
turning back. You take the blue pill the story ends. You wake up in bed and
believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill you stay in
Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I'm
offering is the truth, nothing more."

http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archiv..._the_user.html


"RJK" wrote:

> ....or should all those "years" have been "months" ?? :-)
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "RJK" <notatospam********.com> wrote in message
> news:OzVxRJc9GHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > Trouble is that the "previous" Windows platform only remains usable for a
> > finite period of time. I kept my Windows 98se going for several years
> > after XP was launched, and over a period of a couple of year or so, on a
> > 2nd PC, gradually got up to speed with XP - and then finally moved to XP.
> > ...and during the following months eventually realised it was far superior
> > to XP. BUT, it certainly took some acclimatisation !!!!
> >
> > regards, Richard
> >
> >
> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > news:E84321E3-E2EC-43E4-B81C-FCEEE746644D@microsoft.com...
> >> 1. UAP. User account protection. This annoying feature will have you
> >> answering yes or no questions endlessly until you put it out of it's
> >> misery
> >> in user accounts. (Turn it off for God's sake). The bad news, then, is
> >> that
> >> UAP is a sad, sad joke. It's the most annoying feature that Microsoft has
> >> ever added to any software product, and yes, that includes that
> >> ridiculous
> >> Clippy character from older Office versions.
> >>
> >> 2. The 'Aero Look'. Another annoying feature. Why? Every single time I
> >> open
> >> a program Vista informs me that it is switching to basic windows. The
> >> screen
> >> 'pops'. This is very disturbing. (I have tested this since it was named
> >> 'Longhorn'.
> >>
> >> 3. Vista requires roughly 3 times the RAM that XP uses to do the same
> >> thing.
> >> Unless your PC is at least 3 GHz with 2 Gigs of RAM it'll move like
> >> molasses
> >> in the wintertime.
> >>
> >> 4. The price. WHY is it so over priced? The upgrade to Vista Ultimate
> >> alone
> >> is listed at Amazon.com for $259.00.
> >>
> >> 5. No access to basic windows files. I am locked out of folders like 'My
> >> Documents'. Microsoft has decided that the average User is too stupid to
> >> allow access to certain “Windows� files. This is insulting. I am
> >> offended. I
> >> know security is an issue and all, but locking a person out of their own
> >> document files is not the answer. The User is locked into a Roaming
> >> profile,
> >> thus they are disallowed access.
> >>
> >> 6. Broken promises
> >> Windows Vista was going to include a completely rewritten file system,
> >> based
> >> on SQL Server and once called Storage+. Later renamed to WinFS, this file
> >> system was downgraded to a "storage engine," meaning that it would, in
> >> fact,
> >> run on top of the decades-old NTFS file system. Then WinFS was stripped
> >> out
> >> of Windows Vista because the performance was so horrible.
> >>
> >> 7. The pain of migration. And why not just stay with Windows Xp? At least
> >> all of my programs work. Think: what big advantage are you getting?
> >> Security?
> >> I don't know...with a good Firewall and anti-virus you're all set.
> >>
> >> 8. EULA. The EULA on a retail copy now states that VISTA can only be
> >> activated twice. If I decide to build a new PC a third time, Microsoft
> >> in
> >> effect is telling me to shell out another $400.00 for Vista Premium. My
> >> original disc becomes a very expensive coaster. XP (and all previous
> >> WINDOWS) allowed a retail copy to be moved as many times as you wished.
> >> I
> >> like to upgrade to the latest hardware. In the five years I have owned
> >> my
> >> retail XP, I have gone from the original P3 ïƒ* P4 2gHz* ïƒ*P4 3gHz ïƒ* P4
> >> 3.2gHz*
> >> ïƒ* dual Xeon 2.4gHz* ïƒ* dual Xeon 2.8gHz ïƒ* dual Xeon 3.2gHz* ïƒ* dual Xeon
> >> 3.4gHz
> >> (64bit)*. (* are new motherboards too.) That’s 8 different processors
> >> and 6
> >> motherboards. Oh and several new hard drives along the way as well.
> >> With
> >> Vista, I would be stuck at the P4 2gHz.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------
> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
> >> "I
> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> >> this
> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
> >> then
> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >>
> >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
> >
>
>

The terms, which I'm reading now are not really tolerable. What I mean to
say is that it is not something as sane free person would knowingly
willingly agree to under almost any circumstance.

But I'm having the same problem with the invasive terms of the Windows Vista
EULA. While Vista is a great OS and I'm enjoying the RCs. I removed it from
my "main" computer already as the upcoming terms are unacceptable to me. I'm
running an older version of Windows instead, with an EULA I can tolerate.
What I will do in the future, I'm not sure. Perhaps Microsoft will relent
and respect the customer and not view her or him as some sort of surf
unequal beneath them.

Jon Acord wrote:
>> Quotes from 'The Matrix' 1999
>>
>> Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when
>> I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is
>> juicy, and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realise?
>> Ignorance is bliss.
>>
>> Microsoft is telling us according to the EULA that we do not own the
>> software. We have very few rights.
>>
>> I want everyone to check out this link: in detail it outlines the
>> EULA.
>>
>> Fair Warning:
>> you are a slave Neo, like everyone else, you were born into bondage,
>> born into a prison that you can not smell or taste or touch. A
>> prison for your mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the
>> Matrix is. You have to see what it is for yourself. This is your
>> last chance. After this there is no turning back. You take the blue
>> pill the story ends. You wake up in bed and believe whatever you
>> want to believe. You take the red pill you stay in Wonderland and I
>> show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I'm offering
>> is the truth, nothing more."
>>
>> http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archiv..._the_user.html
>>
>>
>> "RJK" wrote:
>>
>>> ....or should all those "years" have been "months" ?? :-)
>>>
>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> "RJK" <notatospam********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OzVxRJc9GHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Trouble is that the "previous" Windows platform only remains
>>>> usable for a finite period of time. I kept my Windows 98se going
>>>> for several years after XP was launched, and over a period of a
>>>> couple of year or so, on a 2nd PC, gradually got up to speed with
>>>> XP - and then finally moved to XP. ...and during the following
>>>> months eventually realised it was far superior to XP. BUT, it
>>>> certainly took some acclimatisation !!!!
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>>>> news:E84321E3-E2EC-43E4-B81C-FCEEE746644D@microsoft.com...
>>>>> 1. UAP. User account protection. This annoying feature will have
>>>>> you answering yes or no questions endlessly until you put it out
>>>>> of it's misery
>>>>> in user accounts. (Turn it off for God's sake). The bad news,
>>>>> then, is that
>>>>> UAP is a sad, sad joke. It's the most annoying feature that
>>>>> Microsoft has ever added to any software product, and yes, that
>>>>> includes that ridiculous
>>>>> Clippy character from older Office versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. The 'Aero Look'. Another annoying feature. Why? Every single
>>>>> time I open
>>>>> a program Vista informs me that it is switching to basic windows.
>>>>> The screen
>>>>> 'pops'. This is very disturbing. (I have tested this since it was
>>>>> named 'Longhorn'.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Vista requires roughly 3 times the RAM that XP uses to do the
>>>>> same thing.
>>>>> Unless your PC is at least 3 GHz with 2 Gigs of RAM it'll move
>>>>> like molasses
>>>>> in the wintertime.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. The price. WHY is it so over priced? The upgrade to Vista
>>>>> Ultimate alone
>>>>> is listed at Amazon.com for $259.00.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. No access to basic windows files. I am locked out of folders
>>>>> like 'My Documents'. Microsoft has decided that the average User
>>>>> is too stupid to allow access to certain "Windows" files. This is
>>>>> insulting. I am offended. I
>>>>> know security is an issue and all, but locking a person out of
>>>>> their own document files is not the answer. The User is locked
>>>>> into a Roaming profile,
>>>>> thus they are disallowed access.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Broken promises
>>>>> Windows Vista was going to include a completely rewritten file
>>>>> system, based
>>>>> on SQL Server and once called Storage+. Later renamed to WinFS,
>>>>> this file system was downgraded to a "storage engine," meaning
>>>>> that it would, in fact,
>>>>> run on top of the decades-old NTFS file system. Then WinFS was
>>>>> stripped out
>>>>> of Windows Vista because the performance was so horrible.
>>>>>
>>>>> 7. The pain of migration. And why not just stay with Windows Xp?
>>>>> At least all of my programs work. Think: what big advantage are
>>>>> you getting? Security?
>>>>> I don't know...with a good Firewall and anti-virus you're all set.
>>>>>
>>>>> 8. EULA. The EULA on a retail copy now states that VISTA can
>>>>> only be activated twice. If I decide to build a new PC a third
>>>>> time, Microsoft in
>>>>> effect is telling me to shell out another $400.00 for Vista
>>>>> Premium. My original disc becomes a very expensive coaster. XP
>>>>> (and all previous WINDOWS) allowed a retail copy to be moved as
>>>>> many times as you wished. I
>>>>> like to upgrade to the latest hardware. In the five years I have
>>>>> owned my
>>>>> retail XP, I have gone from the original P3 ? P4 2gHz* ?P4 3gHz ?
>>>>> P4
>>>>> 3.2gHz*
>>>>> ? dual Xeon 2.4gHz* ? dual Xeon 2.8gHz ? dual Xeon 3.2gHz* ? dual
>>>>> Xeon
>>>>> 3.4gHz
>>>>> (64bit)*. (* are new motherboards too.) That's 8 different
>>>>> processors and 6
>>>>> motherboards. Oh and several new hard drives along the way as
>>>>> well. With
>>>>> Vista, I would be stuck at the P4 2gHz.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------
>>>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds
>>>>> to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this
>>>>> suggestion, click the "I
>>>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>>>> follow this
>>>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader
>>>>> and then
>>>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.

Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP? Such as when one migrated
from Windows 3.1 to Win 95? I seriously doubt that. It it the Macintosh
like graphics? No? You tell me. Make it good.

"Bill Frisbee" wrote:

>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:7CE36163-F07B-44B5-8F6F-7A509473F144@microsoft.com...
> > 1. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from themselves. Is
> > that
> > what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do this on
> > its
> > own, right smart guy?
>
> So far, apparently. Either the majority of users don't care enough to look
> at what they get in a link before clicking it, or letting something run
> willy-nilly on said systems. It wasn't really till SP2 for XP that people
> started paying attention to Windows Update, and only then because it
> would/could force you to do so.
>
>
> > 2. More than half of my programs were not compatible with Vista's Aero
> > look. The annoying switch back and forth between Aero and Windows
> > standard
> > was flaky, and more than a little annoying.
>
> And that is Microsoft's fault how? If you were running a 16 bit program on
> 64 bit Windows (not that you can anyways) is that Microsoft's fault it
> doesn't work? Nope, it's the app developer. Its not hard to make things
> Vista compatible.
>
>
> > 3. You are very wrong about this. There is something called 'common
> > sense'. Check out task manger when running the same program with Vista,
> > as
> > opposed to XP. Vista does use much more.
>
> No it doesn't. My common apps are Office, World of Warcraft, IL-2 Sturmovik,
> IE and WMP. All of them use about the same as when on XP.
>
> > 4. I do not agree. Vista's prices are MUCH higher. The full version of
> > Vista Ultimate is listed as $400.00 plus at Amazon. Microsoft recently
> > had
> > Amazon pull the prices, probably because they intend to raise them,
> > again....$$$ M$
>
> You need to check your math again. XP Pro is not the equivalent package as
> Windows Vista Ultimate.
>
> > 5. Wrong. My Documents exit, I moved my Folder over from XP. It was
> > silly
> > to eliminate it. Let me get this straight, in your own words...locking
> > out
> > operating system files for the average joe is a good thing? Maybe in your
> > case, this is true.
>
> Please read up a bit more on My Document behaviour under Vista and get back
> to me OK?
> Locking out OS files for the Average Joe is a VERY good thing. To think
> otherwise is a bit naive.
>
> > 6. Slippage? Well then, maybe the price should slip too.
>
> The equivalent Vista version is slightly LESS expensive than XP.
>
> > 7. For the same reason that people moved to say, Windows Millinium?
> > Everyone should remember Microsoft;s problem child. Windows Millinium was
> > a
> > disgrace. So no, Just because a new OS comes out does not mean everyone
> > should rush in to upgrade.
>
> This is true in some cases, however the level of advantages that Vista gives
> over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
>
> > 8. EULA is totally unfair. Nowhere with any previous version of the
> > Windows OS with a retail copy the User was able to move it to a new PC, as
> > long as they had uninstalled the old one, or it no longer existed. Vista
> > represents GREED, not need, or security.
>
> As I said I have not read the EULA yet, and won't comment till I do.
>
>
> Bill F.
>

Lets start with security (via service hardening, improved firewall, and user
level network access protection), UAC and malware protection via integrated
Windows Defender thru Security Center. Protected mode

Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels

Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.

Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know it's
not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).

Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
XP.

BitLocker.

Integrated Media Center with extenders.

Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
functionalities for laptop computing needs.


If you honestly think Vista looks anything like MacOS X you really haven't
used either.


Bill F.






"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:183D3581-25E0-4D25-AA5A-A654CB295EBF@microsoft.com...
> What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
> over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
>
> Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP? Such as when one migrated
> from Windows 3.1 to Win 95? I seriously doubt that. It it the Macintosh
> like graphics? No? You tell me. Make it good.
>
> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> news:7CE36163-F07B-44B5-8F6F-7A509473F144@microsoft.com...
>> > 1. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from themselves. Is
>> > that
>> > what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do this on
>> > its
>> > own, right smart guy?
>>
>> So far, apparently. Either the majority of users don't care enough to
>> look
>> at what they get in a link before clicking it, or letting something run
>> willy-nilly on said systems. It wasn't really till SP2 for XP that people
>> started paying attention to Windows Update, and only then because it
>> would/could force you to do so.
>>
>>
>> > 2. More than half of my programs were not compatible with Vista's Aero
>> > look. The annoying switch back and forth between Aero and Windows
>> > standard
>> > was flaky, and more than a little annoying.
>>
>> And that is Microsoft's fault how? If you were running a 16 bit program
>> on
>> 64 bit Windows (not that you can anyways) is that Microsoft's fault it
>> doesn't work? Nope, it's the app developer. Its not hard to make things
>> Vista compatible.
>>
>>
>> > 3. You are very wrong about this. There is something called 'common
>> > sense'. Check out task manger when running the same program with
>> > Vista,
>> > as
>> > opposed to XP. Vista does use much more.
>>
>> No it doesn't. My common apps are Office, World of Warcraft, IL-2
>> Sturmovik,
>> IE and WMP. All of them use about the same as when on XP.
>>
>> > 4. I do not agree. Vista's prices are MUCH higher. The full version
>> > of
>> > Vista Ultimate is listed as $400.00 plus at Amazon. Microsoft recently
>> > had
>> > Amazon pull the prices, probably because they intend to raise them,
>> > again....$$$ M$
>>
>> You need to check your math again. XP Pro is not the equivalent package
>> as
>> Windows Vista Ultimate.
>>
>> > 5. Wrong. My Documents exit, I moved my Folder over from XP. It was
>> > silly
>> > to eliminate it. Let me get this straight, in your own words...locking
>> > out
>> > operating system files for the average joe is a good thing? Maybe in
>> > your
>> > case, this is true.
>>
>> Please read up a bit more on My Document behaviour under Vista and get
>> back
>> to me OK?
>> Locking out OS files for the Average Joe is a VERY good thing. To think
>> otherwise is a bit naive.
>>
>> > 6. Slippage? Well then, maybe the price should slip too.
>>
>> The equivalent Vista version is slightly LESS expensive than XP.
>>
>> > 7. For the same reason that people moved to say, Windows Millinium?
>> > Everyone should remember Microsoft;s problem child. Windows Millinium
>> > was
>> > a
>> > disgrace. So no, Just because a new OS comes out does not mean everyone
>> > should rush in to upgrade.
>>
>> This is true in some cases, however the level of advantages that Vista
>> gives
>> over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
>>
>> > 8. EULA is totally unfair. Nowhere with any previous version of the
>> > Windows OS with a retail copy the User was able to move it to a new PC,
>> > as
>> > long as they had uninstalled the old one, or it no longer existed.
>> > Vista
>> > represents GREED, not need, or security.
>>
>> As I said I have not read the EULA yet, and won't comment till I do.
>>
>>
>> Bill F.
>>

I found this post amusing... so short sighted... "OMIGOD IT'S DIFFERENT THEN
XP RUN AWAY"... get real. Anyhow I just wanted to respond to each of this
persons complaints...

"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:E84321E3-E2EC-43E4-B81C-FCEEE746644D@microsoft.com...
> 1. UAP. User account protection. This annoying feature will have you
> answering yes or no questions endlessly until you put it out of it's
> misery
> in user accounts. (Turn it off for God's sake). The bad news, then, is
> that
> UAP is a sad, sad joke. It's the most annoying feature that Microsoft has
> ever added to any software product, and yes, that includes that ridiculous
> Clippy character from older Office versions.

Yes... this feature is god awful annoying. It's needs a major overhall. As
of now it does nothing but cause aggrovations.

> 2. The 'Aero Look'. Another annoying feature. Why? Every single time I
> open
> a program Vista informs me that it is switching to basic windows. The
> screen
> 'pops'. This is very disturbing. (I have tested this since it was named
> 'Longhorn'.

Well, the only program I've run into that's done this is Windows Media
Player Classic. And the reason it was doing it was because it was displaying
video as an overlay. I jsust disabled that and the "popping" went away. I am
going to assume that Aero works the same way as Quartz Extreme for MacOS X.
Aero and Quartz are 3rd generation display technologies. And basically both
render the screen using 3D acceleration. Basically everything is 3D textured
object. Video would be mapped on to the side of an object. An overlay is
drawn to the screen completely differently, therefore a mode switch is
needed.

Anyhow using a 3D object based graphical enviroment you can do some pretty
nifty things. Like distort, resize, warp, whatever UI objects.

> 3. Vista requires roughly 3 times the RAM that XP uses to do the same
> thing.
> Unless your PC is at least 3 GHz with 2 Gigs of RAM it'll move like
> molasses
> in the wintertime.

If you have a PC a year old or younger, you should have 2 gigs of RAM.
Listen... people don't seem to understand that you can never have too much
RAM. 1GB is puny. I suggest 4GBs or more. Vista supports up to 64 GBs, and
yes it's likely to reach that amount within it's five year life time.

> 4. The price. WHY is it so over priced? The upgrade to Vista Ultimate
> alone
> is listed at Amazon.com for $259.00.

Well it's supposed to last five years,,, Apple sells a new version of OS X
once a year for $100. Course there is only one version of OS X, and it
changes much more rapidly then Windows.

> 5. No access to basic windows files. I am locked out of folders like 'My
> Documents'. Microsoft has decided that the average User is too stupid to
> allow access to certain “Windows� files. This is insulting. I am offended.
> I
> know security is an issue and all, but locking a person out of their own
> document files is not the answer. The User is locked into a Roaming
> profile,
> thus they are disallowed access.

Microsoft has always tried to keep people from browsing disk drive and
folders such as the Program Files and Windows directories. They are too lazy
to clean up these folders and make them easy to navigate. So they just hide
them under a vail of cloth. But they've never limited access to user
directories.

> 6. Broken promises
> Windows Vista was going to include a completely rewritten file system,
> based
> on SQL Server and once called Storage+. Later renamed to WinFS, this file
> system was downgraded to a "storage engine," meaning that it would, in
> fact,
> run on top of the decades-old NTFS file system. Then WinFS was stripped
> out
> of Windows Vista because the performance was so horrible.

Yeah this sucks. They don't ever make use of NTFS very well. I was really
hoping for better metadata support. But Windows + metadata = wishful
thinking.

> 7. The pain of migration. And why not just stay with Windows Xp? At least
> all of my programs work. Think: what big advantage are you getting?
> Security?
> I don't know...with a good Firewall and anti-virus you're all set.

Yes migration sucks. It always sucks on Windows. Migration on MacOS X is so
easy. Why can't Windows be more like that.

> 8. EULA. The EULA on a retail copy now states that VISTA can only be
> activated twice. If I decide to build a new PC a third time, Microsoft in
> effect is telling me to shell out another $400.00 for Vista Premium. My
> original disc becomes a very expensive coaster. XP (and all previous
> WINDOWS) allowed a retail copy to be moved as many times as you wished. I
> like to upgrade to the latest hardware. In the five years I have owned my
> retail XP, I have gone from the original P3 ïƒ* P4 2gHz* ïƒ*P4 3gHz ïƒ* P4
> 3.2gHz*
> ïƒ* dual Xeon 2.4gHz* ïƒ* dual Xeon 2.8gHz ïƒ* dual Xeon 3.2gHz* ïƒ* dual Xeon
> 3.4gHz
> (64bit)*. (* are new motherboards too.) That’s 8 different processors
> and 6
> motherboards. Oh and several new hard drives along the way as well. With
> Vista, I would be stuck at the P4 2gHz.

Yeah well whatever they said, doesn't mean they're going to inforce it. I
mean I was able to install a single copy of Windows XP on at least six
different machines. Microsoft doesn't care. Though this is assuming your an
end user consumer (the bottem of the food chain).

Bill Bill Bill, Everything you have mentioned can be had with a Good Firewall
and antivirus protection. There is no real reason anyone needs Windows Vista
and the baggage Microsoft has attached to it. You're sitting there telling
me this upgrade is as important as going from Windows 3.1 to Win 95. This
simply is not true....Windows Xp can do everything anyone needs to do within
reason. Vista is simply bloatware. C'mon..admit it! Microsoft had to
cancel the original project and rename it to Vista...its a failed project. I
will never downgrade to it.

"Bill Frisbee" wrote:

> Lets start with security (via service hardening, improved firewall, and user
> level network access protection), UAC and malware protection via integrated
> Windows Defender thru Security Center. Protected mode
>
> Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels
>
> Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
> sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.
>
> Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
> on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know it's
> not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).
>
> Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
> Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
> XP.
>
> BitLocker.
>
> Integrated Media Center with extenders.
>
> Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
> functionalities for laptop computing needs.
>
>
> If you honestly think Vista looks anything like MacOS X you really haven't
> used either.
>
>
> Bill F.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:183D3581-25E0-4D25-AA5A-A654CB295EBF@microsoft.com...
> > What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
> > over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
> >
> > Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP? Such as when one migrated
> > from Windows 3.1 to Win 95? I seriously doubt that. It it the Macintosh
> > like graphics? No? You tell me. Make it good.
> >
> > "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> >> news:7CE36163-F07B-44B5-8F6F-7A509473F144@microsoft.com...
> >> > 1. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from themselves. Is
> >> > that
> >> > what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do this on
> >> > its
> >> > own, right smart guy?
> >>
> >> So far, apparently. Either the majority of users don't care enough to
> >> look
> >> at what they get in a link before clicking it, or letting something run
> >> willy-nilly on said systems. It wasn't really till SP2 for XP that people
> >> started paying attention to Windows Update, and only then because it
> >> would/could force you to do so.
> >>
> >>
> >> > 2. More than half of my programs were not compatible with Vista's Aero
> >> > look. The annoying switch back and forth between Aero and Windows
> >> > standard
> >> > was flaky, and more than a little annoying.
> >>
> >> And that is Microsoft's fault how? If you were running a 16 bit program
> >> on
> >> 64 bit Windows (not that you can anyways) is that Microsoft's fault it
> >> doesn't work? Nope, it's the app developer. Its not hard to make things
> >> Vista compatible.
> >>
> >>
> >> > 3. You are very wrong about this. There is something called 'common
> >> > sense'. Check out task manger when running the same program with
> >> > Vista,
> >> > as
> >> > opposed to XP. Vista does use much more.
> >>
> >> No it doesn't. My common apps are Office, World of Warcraft, IL-2
> >> Sturmovik,
> >> IE and WMP. All of them use about the same as when on XP.
> >>
> >> > 4. I do not agree. Vista's prices are MUCH higher. The full version
> >> > of
> >> > Vista Ultimate is listed as $400.00 plus at Amazon. Microsoft recently
> >> > had
> >> > Amazon pull the prices, probably because they intend to raise them,
> >> > again....$$$ M$
> >>
> >> You need to check your math again. XP Pro is not the equivalent package
> >> as
> >> Windows Vista Ultimate.
> >>
> >> > 5. Wrong. My Documents exit, I moved my Folder over from XP. It was
> >> > silly
> >> > to eliminate it. Let me get this straight, in your own words...locking
> >> > out
> >> > operating system files for the average joe is a good thing? Maybe in
> >> > your
> >> > case, this is true.
> >>
> >> Please read up a bit more on My Document behaviour under Vista and get
> >> back
> >> to me OK?
> >> Locking out OS files for the Average Joe is a VERY good thing. To think
> >> otherwise is a bit naive.
> >>
> >> > 6. Slippage? Well then, maybe the price should slip too.
> >>
> >> The equivalent Vista version is slightly LESS expensive than XP.
> >>
> >> > 7. For the same reason that people moved to say, Windows Millinium?
> >> > Everyone should remember Microsoft;s problem child. Windows Millinium
> >> > was
> >> > a
> >> > disgrace. So no, Just because a new OS comes out does not mean everyone
> >> > should rush in to upgrade.
> >>
> >> This is true in some cases, however the level of advantages that Vista
> >> gives
> >> over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
> >>
> >> > 8. EULA is totally unfair. Nowhere with any previous version of the
> >> > Windows OS with a retail copy the User was able to move it to a new PC,
> >> > as
> >> > long as they had uninstalled the old one, or it no longer existed.
> >> > Vista
> >> > represents GREED, not need, or security.
> >>
> >> As I said I have not read the EULA yet, and won't comment till I do.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill F.
> >>
>

Jon Acord wrote:
> Bill Bill Bill, Everything you have mentioned can be had with a Good Firewall
> and antivirus protection. There is no real reason anyone needs Windows Vista
> and the baggage Microsoft has attached to it. You're sitting there telling
> me this upgrade is as important as going from Windows 3.1 to Win 95. This
> simply is not true....Windows Xp can do everything anyone needs to do within
> reason. Vista is simply bloatware. C'mon..admit it! Microsoft had to
> cancel the original project and rename it to Vista...its a failed project. I
> will never downgrade to it.

Sorta like this:

NT = 95
W2K = 98
XP = 98SE
Vista = Me?

Alias
>
> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>
>> Lets start with security (via service hardening, improved firewall, and user
>> level network access protection), UAC and malware protection via integrated
>> Windows Defender thru Security Center. Protected mode
>>
>> Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels
>>
>> Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
>> sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.
>>
>> Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
>> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
>> on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know it's
>> not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).
>>
>> Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
>> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
>> Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
>> XP.
>>
>> BitLocker.
>>
>> Integrated Media Center with extenders.
>>
>> Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
>> functionalities for laptop computing needs.
>>
>>
>> If you honestly think Vista looks anything like MacOS X you really haven't
>> used either.
>>
>>
>> Bill F.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> news:183D3581-25E0-4D25-AA5A-A654CB295EBF@microsoft.com...
>>> What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
>>> over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
>>>
>>> Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP? Such as when one migrated
>>> from Windows 3.1 to Win 95? I seriously doubt that. It it the Macintosh
>>> like graphics? No? You tell me. Make it good.
>>>
>>> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>>>> news:7CE36163-F07B-44B5-8F6F-7A509473F144@microsoft.com...
>>>>> 1. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from themselves. Is
>>>>> that
>>>>> what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do this on
>>>>> its
>>>>> own, right smart guy?
>>>> So far, apparently. Either the majority of users don't care enough to
>>>> look
>>>> at what they get in a link before clicking it, or letting something run
>>>> willy-nilly on said systems. It wasn't really till SP2 for XP that people
>>>> started paying attention to Windows Update, and only then because it
>>>> would/could force you to do so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2. More than half of my programs were not compatible with Vista's Aero
>>>>> look. The annoying switch back and forth between Aero and Windows
>>>>> standard
>>>>> was flaky, and more than a little annoying.
>>>> And that is Microsoft's fault how? If you were running a 16 bit program
>>>> on
>>>> 64 bit Windows (not that you can anyways) is that Microsoft's fault it
>>>> doesn't work? Nope, it's the app developer. Its not hard to make things
>>>> Vista compatible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 3. You are very wrong about this. There is something called 'common
>>>>> sense'. Check out task manger when running the same program with
>>>>> Vista,
>>>>> as
>>>>> opposed to XP. Vista does use much more.
>>>> No it doesn't. My common apps are Office, World of Warcraft, IL-2
>>>> Sturmovik,
>>>> IE and WMP. All of them use about the same as when on XP.
>>>>
>>>>> 4. I do not agree. Vista's prices are MUCH higher. The full version
>>>>> of
>>>>> Vista Ultimate is listed as $400.00 plus at Amazon. Microsoft recently
>>>>> had
>>>>> Amazon pull the prices, probably because they intend to raise them,
>>>>> again....$$$ M$
>>>> You need to check your math again. XP Pro is not the equivalent package
>>>> as
>>>> Windows Vista Ultimate.
>>>>
>>>>> 5. Wrong. My Documents exit, I moved my Folder over from XP. It was
>>>>> silly
>>>>> to eliminate it. Let me get this straight, in your own words...locking
>>>>> out
>>>>> operating system files for the average joe is a good thing? Maybe in
>>>>> your
>>>>> case, this is true.
>>>> Please read up a bit more on My Document behaviour under Vista and get
>>>> back
>>>> to me OK?
>>>> Locking out OS files for the Average Joe is a VERY good thing. To think
>>>> otherwise is a bit naive.
>>>>
>>>>> 6. Slippage? Well then, maybe the price should slip too.
>>>> The equivalent Vista version is slightly LESS expensive than XP.
>>>>
>>>>> 7. For the same reason that people moved to say, Windows Millinium?
>>>>> Everyone should remember Microsoft;s problem child. Windows Millinium
>>>>> was
>>>>> a
>>>>> disgrace. So no, Just because a new OS comes out does not mean everyone
>>>>> should rush in to upgrade.
>>>> This is true in some cases, however the level of advantages that Vista
>>>> gives
>>>> over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
>>>>
>>>>> 8. EULA is totally unfair. Nowhere with any previous version of the
>>>>> Windows OS with a retail copy the User was able to move it to a new PC,
>>>>> as
>>>>> long as they had uninstalled the old one, or it no longer existed.
>>>>> Vista
>>>>> represents GREED, not need, or security.
>>>> As I said I have not read the EULA yet, and won't comment till I do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill F.
>>>>

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:47:01 -0700, Jon Acord <JOn@theacords.biz>
wrote:

>. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from themselves. Is that
>what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do this on its
>own, right smart guy?
It's not just the uninformed User.

The bad guys are trying to "tailgate" through whatever security
(including eyeball Mk I) that you have.
I consider myself informed, but if you do a sneaky install like Sony
did (every Sony DVD I own has files that try to install *IF* you PLACE
it a DVD drive in a computer running Windows with Autorun enabled).

UAC warns me about "sneaks".
A 'Trojan' program tries to get you to give the OK by telling you it
is installing the program you WANT while adding in one you DON'T want.
Sony = Sneak

Hi, I am one of the person from a developing nation known for its rampant
piracy of windows software. One solution for all this is for microsoft to
price its software accordingly. They know the percapita income of the nation
and should price it accordingly. This would greatly reduce piracy. Moreover
I for one request Microsoft to reword its EULA and allow atleast 5 times for
the hardware to be upgraded with a single installation of Vista.

"Bill Frisbee" wrote:

> 1.) While UAC (not UAP) can be disabled, WHY? MacOS X, Linux, BSD all
> contain a very similar feature. This will PROTECT people.
> People that know better can turn it off. End of story. Several press
> outlets, known to be quite unfavorable to Microsoft have been saved by UAC.
> On an average day I see a UAC dialogue box maybe four times.
>
> 2.) If your program switches Vista outta Aero Glass, then your application
> is not fully Vista compatible. End of story.
>
> 3.) Doing what? I've NEVER noticed this. Yes, earlier BETA AND RC versions
> of Vista used a lot of RAM, but those are not release version and contained
> checked and incomplete code. On average Vista RC2 seems to use about as much
> RAM in my various applications as XP SP2 did. I run Vista just fine on a 2.0
> GHz Pentium 4 with 512 MB of RAM, doesn't run badly at all, just as good as
> XP SP2 in fact.
>
> 4.) Um, for one XP has been out for FIVE years and prices have dropped
> accordingly, and there are OEM versions of it available now. Retail prices
> for comparable versions of Vista are LESS expensive than XP was when it was
> released.
>
> 5.) You do know the My Documents no longer exists right? And I think it's
> been proven time and time again, that locking out operating system files
> from the average Joe is a good thing. People who know more and demand more
> control of their systems can easily do so.
>
> 6.) Slippage happens. Happened in XP, happened in Vista. Took Apple two full
> years of OS X to give what they promised was going to be in 10.0. And they
> charged you for the upgrade to 10.2.
>
> 7.) For the same reason people moved from 3.11 to 95, 95 to 98, 98 to 2000,
> 2000 to XP.
>
> 8.) I cannot comment on the EULA as I have not read it yet.
>
>
> Bill F.
>
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:E84321E3-E2EC-43E4-B81C-FCEEE746644D@microsoft.com...
> > . UAP. User account protection. This annoying feature will have you
> > answering yes or no questions endlessly until you put it out of it's
> > misery
> > in user accounts. (Turn it off for God's sake). The bad news, then, is
> > that
> > UAP is a sad, sad joke. It's the most annoying feature that Microsoft has
> > ever added to any software product, and yes, that includes that ridiculous
> > Clippy character from older Office versions.
> >
> > 2. The 'Aero Look'. Another annoying feature. Why? Every single time I
> > open
> > a program Vista informs me that it is switching to basic windows. The
> > screen
> > 'pops'. This is very disturbing. (I have tested this since it was named
> > 'Longhorn'.
> >
> > 3. Vista requires roughly 3 times the RAM that XP uses to do the same
> > thing.
> > Unless your PC is at least 3 GHz with 2 Gigs of RAM it'll move like
> > molasses
> > in the wintertime.
> >
> > 4. The price. WHY is it so over priced? The upgrade to Vista Ultimate
> > alone
> > is listed at Amazon.com for $259.00.
> >
> > 5. No access to basic windows files. I am locked out of folders like 'My
> > Documents'. Microsoft has decided that the average User is too stupid to
> > allow access to certain “Windows� files. This is insulting. I am offended.
> > I
> > know security is an issue and all, but locking a person out of their own
> > document files is not the answer. The User is locked into a Roaming
> > profile,
> > thus they are disallowed access.
> >
> > 6. Broken promises
> > Windows Vista was going to include a completely rewritten file system,
> > based
> > on SQL Server and once called Storage+. Later renamed to WinFS, this file
> > system was downgraded to a "storage engine," meaning that it would, in
> > fact,
> > run on top of the decades-old NTFS file system. Then WinFS was stripped
> > out
> > of Windows Vista because the performance was so horrible.
> >
> > 7. The pain of migration. And why not just stay with Windows Xp? At least
> > all of my programs work. Think: what big advantage are you getting?
> > Security?
> > I don't know...with a good Firewall and anti-virus you're all set.
> >
> > 8. EULA. The EULA on a retail copy now states that VISTA can only be
> > activated twice. If I decide to build a new PC a third time, Microsoft in
> > effect is telling me to shell out another $400.00 for Vista Premium. My
> > original disc becomes a very expensive coaster. XP (and all previous
> > WINDOWS) allowed a retail copy to be moved as many times as you wished. I
> > like to upgrade to the latest hardware. In the five years I have owned my
> > retail XP, I have gone from the original P3 ïƒ* P4 2gHz* ïƒ*P4 3gHz ïƒ* P4
> > 3.2gHz*
> > ïƒ* dual Xeon 2.4gHz* ïƒ* dual Xeon 2.8gHz ïƒ* dual Xeon 3.2gHz* ïƒ* dual Xeon
> > 3.4gHz
> > (64bit)*. (* are new motherboards too.) That’s 8 different processors
> > and 6
> > motherboards. Oh and several new hard drives along the way as well. With
> > Vista, I would be stuck at the P4 2gHz.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> > this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>

Jon, Jon, Jon, if you are only going to respond to one section, you ain't
playing by the rules....

How the holy heck does a good firewall and AV give you:
Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels

Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.

Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit goodness
on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know it's
not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).

Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth connections...
Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
XP.

BitLocker.

Integrated Media Center with extenders.

Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
functionalities for laptop computing needs.

Comments?

Bill F.


"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:562BC69F-2A02-4F46-BA2F-A60628C0D45A@microsoft.com...
> Bill Bill Bill, Everything you have mentioned can be had with a Good
> Firewall
> and antivirus protection. There is no real reason anyone needs Windows
> Vista
> and the baggage Microsoft has attached to it. You're sitting there
> telling
> me this upgrade is as important as going from Windows 3.1 to Win 95. This
> simply is not true....Windows Xp can do everything anyone needs to do
> within
> reason. Vista is simply bloatware. C'mon..admit it! Microsoft had to
> cancel the original project and rename it to Vista...its a failed project.
> I
> will never downgrade to it.
>
> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>
>> Lets start with security (via service hardening, improved firewall, and
>> user
>> level network access protection), UAC and malware protection via
>> integrated
>> Windows Defender thru Security Center. Protected mode
>>
>> Add a few dashes of totally integrated search thru all levels
>>
>> Some Flip 3D and Windows Flip... easier to master GUI that makes better
>> sense than 9x/2000/XP and is more stable as well.
>>
>> Speed enhancements via ReadyBoost, SuperFetch and ReadyDrive, lets not
>> forget total 64-bit versions available fully optimized for 64 bit
>> goodness
>> on x64 (yes I am aware XP does have a 64 bit version, but we all know
>> it's
>> not near what Vista can do even in RC stage).
>>
>> Much more robust network stack with integrated IPv6, that is better
>> optimized than XP's TCP/IP stack for today's higher bandwidth
>> connections...
>> Wireless has been completely redone and is much more capable than that in
>> XP.
>>
>> BitLocker.
>>
>> Integrated Media Center with extenders.
>>
>> Major leaps in laptop computing over XP with closer integration of
>> functionalities for laptop computing needs.
>>
>>
>> If you honestly think Vista looks anything like MacOS X you really
>> haven't
>> used either.
>>
>>
>> Bill F.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> news:183D3581-25E0-4D25-AA5A-A654CB295EBF@microsoft.com...
>> > What do mean by: however the level of advantages that Vista gives
>> > over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
>> >
>> > Bill, tell me HOW Vista has advantages over XP? Such as when one
>> > migrated
>> > from Windows 3.1 to Win 95? I seriously doubt that. It it the
>> > Macintosh
>> > like graphics? No? You tell me. Make it good.
>> >
>> > "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> >> news:7CE36163-F07B-44B5-8F6F-7A509473F144@microsoft.com...
>> >> > 1. Right Bill. Protect the poor uninformed User from themselves.
>> >> > Is
>> >> > that
>> >> > what you mean? Obviously the end User isn't smart enough to do this
>> >> > on
>> >> > its
>> >> > own, right smart guy?
>> >>
>> >> So far, apparently. Either the majority of users don't care enough to
>> >> look
>> >> at what they get in a link before clicking it, or letting something
>> >> run
>> >> willy-nilly on said systems. It wasn't really till SP2 for XP that
>> >> people
>> >> started paying attention to Windows Update, and only then because it
>> >> would/could force you to do so.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > 2. More than half of my programs were not compatible with Vista's
>> >> > Aero
>> >> > look. The annoying switch back and forth between Aero and Windows
>> >> > standard
>> >> > was flaky, and more than a little annoying.
>> >>
>> >> And that is Microsoft's fault how? If you were running a 16 bit
>> >> program
>> >> on
>> >> 64 bit Windows (not that you can anyways) is that Microsoft's fault it
>> >> doesn't work? Nope, it's the app developer. Its not hard to make
>> >> things
>> >> Vista compatible.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > 3. You are very wrong about this. There is something called
>> >> > 'common
>> >> > sense'. Check out task manger when running the same program with
>> >> > Vista,
>> >> > as
>> >> > opposed to XP. Vista does use much more.
>> >>
>> >> No it doesn't. My common apps are Office, World of Warcraft, IL-2
>> >> Sturmovik,
>> >> IE and WMP. All of them use about the same as when on XP.
>> >>
>> >> > 4. I do not agree. Vista's prices are MUCH higher. The full
>> >> > version
>> >> > of
>> >> > Vista Ultimate is listed as $400.00 plus at Amazon. Microsoft
>> >> > recently
>> >> > had
>> >> > Amazon pull the prices, probably because they intend to raise them,
>> >> > again....$$$ M$
>> >>
>> >> You need to check your math again. XP Pro is not the equivalent
>> >> package
>> >> as
>> >> Windows Vista Ultimate.
>> >>
>> >> > 5. Wrong. My Documents exit, I moved my Folder over from XP. It
>> >> > was
>> >> > silly
>> >> > to eliminate it. Let me get this straight, in your own
>> >> > words...locking
>> >> > out
>> >> > operating system files for the average joe is a good thing? Maybe
>> >> > in
>> >> > your
>> >> > case, this is true.
>> >>
>> >> Please read up a bit more on My Document behaviour under Vista and get
>> >> back
>> >> to me OK?
>> >> Locking out OS files for the Average Joe is a VERY good thing. To
>> >> think
>> >> otherwise is a bit naive.
>> >>
>> >> > 6. Slippage? Well then, maybe the price should slip too.
>> >>
>> >> The equivalent Vista version is slightly LESS expensive than XP.
>> >>
>> >> > 7. For the same reason that people moved to say, Windows Millinium?
>> >> > Everyone should remember Microsoft;s problem child. Windows
>> >> > Millinium
>> >> > was
>> >> > a
>> >> > disgrace. So no, Just because a new OS comes out does not mean
>> >> > everyone
>> >> > should rush in to upgrade.
>> >>
>> >> This is true in some cases, however the level of advantages that Vista
>> >> gives
>> >> over XP is quite similar to what 95 gave to Windows 3.11.
>> >>
>> >> > 8. EULA is totally unfair. Nowhere with any previous version of
>> >> > the
>> >> > Windows OS with a retail copy the User was able to move it to a new
>> >> > PC,
&