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Old 01-01-2007, 09:50 PM
Altimax98
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Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface with
defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is working, they
need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my computer
does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also I
miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone agree?
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

I agree with you. I hate the new disk defragmenter - it also takes a lot
longer to defragment with it than XP's defragmenter. It seems with every
release of Windows, the disk defragmenter gets dumbed down more and more.
"Altimax98" <Altimax98@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:90437CFF-4175-408E-BF2E-818B2EA8C6DA@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface with
> defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is working,
> they
> need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my computer
> does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also I
> miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone
> agree?
> --
> Im pretty Smart with computers but I even need help sometimes. Thats why
> im
> here.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:50 PM
Jill Zoeller [MSFT]
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

If you'd like some background on the design changes in Defrag, see our blog
post at [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/disk-defragmenter-faq.aspx[/url]
and a recent chat transcript at
[url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/447168.aspx[/url].

As for the speed issue, our defrag uses low priority CPU and I/O to reduce
the impact on performance. It's really a trade-off between system
performance and defrag speed, and we chose system performance.


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our team blog at [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx[/url].


"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
news:uYLPNpj8GHA.4012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I agree with you. I hate the new disk defragmenter - it also takes a lot
>longer to defragment with it than XP's defragmenter. It seems with every
>release of Windows, the disk defragmenter gets dumbed down more and more.
> "Altimax98" <Altimax98@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:90437CFF-4175-408E-BF2E-818B2EA8C6DA@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface with
>> defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is working,
>> they
>> need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my
>> computer
>> does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also I
>> miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone
>> agree?
>> --
>> Im pretty Smart with computers but I even need help sometimes. Thats why
>> im
>> here.
>>
>> ----------------
>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> "I
>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> this
>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> then
>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>
>> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=90437cff-4175-408e-bf2e-818b2ea8c6da&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:50 PM
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

A VERY BIG A M E N to that!!!!!!


"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
news:uYLPNpj8GHA.4012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I agree with you. I hate the new disk defragmenter - it also takes a lot
>longer to defragment with it than XP's defragmenter. It seems with every
>release of Windows, the disk defragmenter gets dumbed down more and more.
> "Altimax98" <Altimax98@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:90437CFF-4175-408E-BF2E-818B2EA8C6DA@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface with
>> defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is working,
>> they
>> need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my
>> computer
>> does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also I
>> miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone
>> agree?
>> --
>> Im pretty Smart with computers but I even need help sometimes. Thats why
>> im
>> here.
>>
>> ----------------
>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> "I
>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> this
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>>
>> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=90437cff-4175-408e-bf2e-818b2ea8c6da&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

But wouldn't it be just as fast as XP if the defrag is the only thing the
computer is doing?
"Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <jillz@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ujoAPzj8GHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> If you'd like some background on the design changes in Defrag, see our
> blog post at
> [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/disk-defragmenter-faq.aspx[/url] and a
> recent chat transcript at
> [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/447168.aspx[/url].
>
> As for the speed issue, our defrag uses low priority CPU and I/O to reduce
> the impact on performance. It's really a trade-off between system
> performance and defrag speed, and we chose system performance.
>
>
> --
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> Want to learn more about Windows Server file and storage technologies?
> Visit our team blog at [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx[/url].
>
>
> "Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
> news:uYLPNpj8GHA.4012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I agree with you. I hate the new disk defragmenter - it also takes a lot
>>longer to defragment with it than XP's defragmenter. It seems with every
>>release of Windows, the disk defragmenter gets dumbed down more and more.
>> "Altimax98" <Altimax98@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:90437CFF-4175-408E-BF2E-818B2EA8C6DA@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface
>>> with
>>> defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is working,
>>> they
>>> need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my
>>> computer
>>> does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also
>>> I
>>> miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone
>>> agree?
>>> --
>>> Im pretty Smart with computers but I even need help sometimes. Thats why
>>> im
>>> here.
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>>> "I
>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>>> this
>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> then
>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>
>>> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=90437cff-4175-408e-bf2e-818b2ea8c6da&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:50 PM
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

I Agree also. But dont all of us do that anyway? (doing defrag, by itself) I
always make sure that i turn off my Screen saver, and Off power helps stuff.
I always figured...."If its 're-arranging' my harddrive, should i be writing
to it? like internet or moving files?" It use to only take a few minutes, so
it was fine, but now it took well over 2 hours, i only have a 100 gig drive
with 15% used. I just dont get it. You can only screw with something so long
until System Mechanic takes over. By the way Is System Mechanic Compatible
with Vista 64?
--
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here.


"DCR" wrote:
[color=blue]
> A VERY BIG A M E N to that!!!!!!
>
>
> "Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
> news:uYLPNpj8GHA.4012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> >I agree with you. I hate the new disk defragmenter - it also takes a lot
> >longer to defragment with it than XP's defragmenter. It seems with every
> >release of Windows, the disk defragmenter gets dumbed down more and more.
> > "Altimax98" <Altimax98@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:90437CFF-4175-408E-BF2E-818B2EA8C6DA@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> >> Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface with
> >> defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is working,
> >> they
> >> need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my
> >> computer
> >> does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also I
> >> miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone
> >> agree?
> >> --
> >> Im pretty Smart with computers but I even need help sometimes. Thats why
> >> im
> >> here.
> >>
> >> ----------------
> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
> >> "I
> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> >> this
> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
> >> then
> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >>
> >> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=90437cff-4175-408e-bf2e-818b2ea8c6da&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:50 PM
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

I hate it too!
I would like to know where it is in the process so I can make decisions
based on its progress. Like...do I have time to make and eat a PB&J. <S>
I really liked the one in win 95/98? It mesmerized me watching all those
little blocks move around. lol I too don't know if it's working or just
locked up. There is no graphic to let me know. THANK GAWD FOR THIRD PARTY
APPS I SAY!
dotcom


"Altimax98" <Altimax98@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:90437CFF-4175-408E-BF2E-818B2EA8C6DA@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface with
> defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is working,
> they
> need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my computer
> does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also I
> miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone
> agree?
> --
> Im pretty Smart with computers but I even need help sometimes. Thats why
> im
> here.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=90437cff-4175-408e-bf2e-818b2ea8c6da&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]


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Old 01-01-2007, 09:50 PM
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

Ha ha I miss those blocks too. See im still a kid so when doing defrag, i
used to sit there for hours watching them all change. Good memories. You can
use system mechanic if you want to. If your got it. I got a whole butt load
of "Compatibility warnings", (Its MS talk for we know our optimizers suck, so
we wont let you use theyres) Use it if you can. Trust me. But ya i miss Old
time defrag.
--
Im pretty Smart with computers but I even need help sometimes. Thats why im
here.


"DotCom" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I hate it too!
> I would like to know where it is in the process so I can make decisions
> based on its progress. Like...do I have time to make and eat a PB&J. <S>
> I really liked the one in win 95/98? It mesmerized me watching all those
> little blocks move around. lol I too don't know if it's working or just
> locked up. There is no graphic to let me know. THANK GAWD FOR THIRD PARTY
> APPS I SAY!
> dotcom
>
>
> "Altimax98" <Altimax98@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:90437CFF-4175-408E-BF2E-818B2EA8C6DA@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface with
> > defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is working,
> > they
> > need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my computer
> > does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also I
> > miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone
> > agree?
> > --
> > Im pretty Smart with computers but I even need help sometimes. Thats why
> > im
> > here.
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> > this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=90437cff-4175-408e-bf2e-818b2ea8c6da&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:51 PM
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

Jill Zoeller [MSFT] wrote:[color=blue]
> If you'd like some background on the design changes in Defrag, see our blog
> post at [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/disk-defragmenter-faq.aspx[/url]
> and a recent chat transcript at
> [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/447168.aspx[/url].
>
> As for the speed issue, our defrag uses low priority CPU and I/O to reduce
> the impact on performance. It's really a trade-off between system
> performance and defrag speed, and we chose system performance.
>
>[/color]
What a stupid committee decision that was!
Frank
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:51 PM
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

I really do agree with you but enabling the user to be informed more about
wot is actually happening with the defrag progress needs a little bit of
sense on the part of those responsible for its 'accession' to Vista.

Well done Vista Defragment team.

If you are looking for other employment, I woodn't mention to a future
employer that you werked on the Vista Defragment team.

Garry


"Altimax98" <Altimax98@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:90437CFF-4175-408E-BF2E-818B2EA8C6DA@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface with
> defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is working,
> they
> need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my computer
> does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also I
> miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone
> agree?
> --
> Im pretty Smart with computers but I even need help sometimes. Thats why
> im
> here.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=90437cff-4175-408e-bf2e-818b2ea8c6da&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]

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Old 01-01-2007, 09:51 PM
John Smith
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

Jill:

Hopefully, rather than excusing the complete demasculation of this extremely
important system tool, you will go back to your beta team and insist that
they should re-tool defragmenter so that Windows users can interact with it
again. I don't know whether the defragger is licensed from Diskeeper or
Raxco (although the signature indicates the copyright is owned by MS), but
to effectively disable the tool to the degree to which your team has done so
is to remove significant control and management of the primary bottleneck in
the Windows system.

Somehow, someone at Microsoft decided that disk performance is significantly
less important to Windows users than the color of the background on the
Windows desktop, since so much energy and creative thought has been
allocated to desktop colors as to provide a true color palette. So, I can
pick from a seemingly infinite range of colors to pretty up the desktop, but
I get a de-tuned disk optimizer that gives me no clue as to its progress, no
indication whether or not defragmentation is required, little hint that it
is actually performing, and no idea whatsoever of the degree of
fragmentation that might or might not exist within the slowest performing
component inside the PC cabinet.

Perhaps we should all just feel badly for the defrag team that Microsoft
product strategists decided that their work was simply an insignificant
component in the operating system. Perhaps the team tried and tried to
convince product strategists of the importance of defrag management and
simply lost the battle - so they're not to blame.

The blog Jill references seems to explain it all: "we've automated it to
get it 'out of users' faces'." Well, it never was in users' faces! You had
to know what you were looking for, and you had to find it. Uneducated users
NEVER launched the Computer Management Console in the first place. Only
somewhat knowledgable Windows users knew how to find the defragger. And
automating something in Windows code, as every knowledgable Windows users
knows, doesn't mean it works at all, not to mention that it works properly.
We could quickly develop an endless list of Windows functions that have been
automated for the poor user, but that it was learned (usually all too late)
never worked or never worked properly (e.g., the defrag progress indicator,
the MSI installation progress indicator (how many times have you watched the
progress indicator tell you that there was 1 second left?).

And don't forget that NT claimed the NTFS didn't need to be defragged. Only
after sysinternals and Executive software proved this to be wrong did MS
acknowledge the need to defragment its disks. Will someone like that have
to come along now and show us that the new, improved, automated defragger is
simply masking the fact that it's incapable? Without exceptions that I can
think of, whenever Microsoft has hidden a management processes from user
interaction, it has correspondingly hidden the fact that that management
process simply didn't work (again, we can work up a pretty long list pretty
quickly).

Please fix the Disk Defragmenter before Vista goes gold, so that people can
use it again.

Thanks.


"Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <jillz@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ujoAPzj8GHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> If you'd like some background on the design changes in Defrag, see our
> blog post at
> [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/disk-defragmenter-faq.aspx[/url] and a
> recent chat transcript at
> [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/447168.aspx[/url].
>
> As for the speed issue, our defrag uses low priority CPU and I/O to reduce
> the impact on performance. It's really a trade-off between system
> performance and defrag speed, and we chose system performance.
>
>
> --
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> Want to learn more about Windows Server file and storage technologies?
> Visit our team blog at [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx[/url].
>
>
> "Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
> news:uYLPNpj8GHA.4012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I agree with you. I hate the new disk defragmenter - it also takes a lot
>>longer to defragment with it than XP's defragmenter. It seems with every
>>release of Windows, the disk defragmenter gets dumbed down more and more.
>> "Altimax98" <Altimax98@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:90437CFF-4175-408E-BF2E-818B2EA8C6DA@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface
>>> with
>>> defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is working,
>>> they
>>> need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my
>>> computer
>>> does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also
>>> I
>>> miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone
>>> agree?
>>> --
>>> Im pretty Smart with computers but I even need help sometimes. Thats why
>>> im
>>> here.
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>>> "I
>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>>> this
>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> then
>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>
>>> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=90437cff-4175-408e-bf2e-818b2ea8c6da&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:51 PM
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

LOL
I wonder how much the private beta testers screamed and yelled about this?
Obviously not enough! Or did Microsoft just not listen?!? AGAIN! STILL!
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"Garry Grolman" <garry@planium.com> wrote in message
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>I really do agree with you but enabling the user to be informed more about
>wot is actually happening with the defrag progress needs a little bit of
>sense on the part of those responsible for its 'accession' to Vista.
>
> Well done Vista Defragment team.
>
> If you are looking for other employment, I woodn't mention to a future
> employer that you werked on the Vista Defragment team.
>
> Garry
>
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> "Altimax98" <Altimax98@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:90437CFF-4175-408E-BF2E-818B2EA8C6DA@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface with
>> defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is working,
>> they
>> need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my
>> computer
>> does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also I
>> miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone
>> agree?
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

Looks like Raxco has a free beta version for Vista RC1 or later.
[url]http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/pd_download_home.cfm[/url]

I'll give it a try!
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Re: Defagmenter...haha... Defragmenter

What I should have said was "system performance during defragmentation" not
the resulting performance *after* defragmentation. The idea was that you
should still be able to use your computer even while defrag is running. To
help speed up the actual defragmentation process, we do what's called a
"partial defrag" to coalesce file fragments smaller that 64 MB. (This is is
explained in the FAQ at
[url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/disk-defragmenter-faq.aspx[/url].) If you
prefer to do a full defrag (versus the partial defrag), you can do so from
the command line using the -w parameter.




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> Jill Zoeller [MSFT] wrote:[color=green]
>> If you'd like some background on the design changes in Defrag, see our
>> blog post at
>> [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/disk-defragmenter-faq.aspx[/url] and a
>> recent chat transcript at
>> [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/447168.aspx[/url].
>>
>> As for the speed issue, our defrag uses low priority CPU and I/O to
>> reduce the impact on performance. It's really a trade-off between system
>> performance and defrag speed, and we chose system performance.
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John, great question. Let me ask about this and get back to you.

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"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
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> But wouldn't it be just as fast as XP if the defrag is the only thing the
> computer is doing?
> "Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <jillz@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:ujoAPzj8GHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> If you'd like some background on the design changes in Defrag, see our
>> blog post at
>> [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/disk-defragmenter-faq.aspx[/url] and a
>> recent chat transcript at
>> [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/447168.aspx[/url].
>>
>> As for the speed issue, our defrag uses low priority CPU and I/O to
>> reduce the impact on performance. It's really a trade-off between system
>> performance and defrag speed, and we chose system performance.
>>
>>
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>> "Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
>> news:uYLPNpj8GHA.4012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>I agree with you. I hate the new disk defragmenter - it also takes a lot
>>>longer to defragment with it than XP's defragmenter. It seems with every
>>>release of Windows, the disk defragmenter gets dumbed down more and more.
>>> "Altimax98" <Altimax98@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:90437CFF-4175-408E-BF2E-818B2EA8C6DA@microsoft.com...
>>>> Does anyone else think Microsoft should quickly change the interface
>>>> with
>>>> defragmenter??? I cant tell if Vista had Locked up, or if it is
>>>> working, they
>>>> need the old screen that showed what it was doing. I like when my
>>>> computer
>>>> does some repairs to let me know the details not keep them hidden. Also
>>>> I
>>>> miss all those Pretty Colors, Especially the Red one....haha. Anyone
>>>> agree?
>>>> --
>>>> Im pretty Smart with computers but I even need help sometimes. Thats
>>>> why im
>>>> here.
>>>>
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