Hello All, just found this to-day as I was using one of my 32x programs and
looking for help.
for the full report look here

[url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]

looks like Microsoft is saying to hell with suport of the older systems

Hi,

Reads more like they are phasing out legacy application help file support
because the application file is no longer suitable in today's software
environment. They aren't saying "to hell with support of the older systems"
as they will all still have the .hlp file executable - I don't see where it
is said that they are removing it from those older systems. But I did see
this:

"Users who want to view 32-bit .hlp files must download the program from the
Microsoft Download Center, and then install it on their computers. The
download for Windows Help is still in development. It will be available in
time for the consumer release of Windows Vista scheduled for early 2007."

Which reads that users can still get the executable to support the older
help format if it is needed for running legacy software. In fact, as far as
Vista goes, I've never seen as much backwards compatibility as is included
in it compared to any other Win variety.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
[url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]

"I remember cp/m do you?" <Iremembercpmdoyou@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote in message news:07A9BCA7-CC7A-4A7E-8510-4B8AD8EE2269@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Hello All, just found this to-day as I was using one of my 32x programs
> and
> looking for help.
> for the full report look here
>
> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
>
> looks like Microsoft is saying to hell with suport of the older systems
>
>[/color]

her is the thing Rick, that this time you can not just inport the one from
say xp or windows 2000 and you can not download the new one! has Microsoft as
not released it.

and BTW I am a MCP and was a MCSE (under NT4) and started with computers
back in 72 so yes I know abit about the way MS programs work

"Rick Rogers" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi,
>
> Reads more like they are phasing out legacy application help file support
> because the application file is no longer suitable in today's software
> environment. They aren't saying "to hell with support of the older systems"
> as they will all still have the .hlp file executable - I don't see where it
> is said that they are removing it from those older systems. But I did see
> this:
>
> "Users who want to view 32-bit .hlp files must download the program from the
> Microsoft Download Center, and then install it on their computers. The
> download for Windows Help is still in development. It will be available in
> time for the consumer release of Windows Vista scheduled for early 2007."
>
> Which reads that users can still get the executable to support the older
> help format if it is needed for running legacy software. In fact, as far as
> Vista goes, I've never seen as much backwards compatibility as is included
> in it compared to any other Win variety.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> [url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
> Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]
>
> "I remember cp/m do you?" <Iremembercpmdoyou@discussions.microsoft.com>
> wrote in message news:07A9BCA7-CC7A-4A7E-8510-4B8AD8EE2269@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > Hello All, just found this to-day as I was using one of my 32x programs
> > and
> > looking for help.
> > for the full report look here
> >
> > [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
> >
> > looks like Microsoft is saying to hell with suport of the older systems
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

Only thing left to say is, "It's a BETA!", <s>. Wait for the download of
Vista-ready version of WinHlp32.exe.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
[url]http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm[/url]
[url]http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm[/url]

"I remember cp/m do you?" <Iremembercpmdoyou@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote in message news:0CC1A653-1542-44CC-8013-D239996CF30F@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> her is the thing Rick, that this time you can not just inport the one from
> say xp or windows 2000 and you can not download the new one! has Microsoft[/color]
as[color=blue]
> not released it.
>
> and BTW I am a MCP and was a MCSE (under NT4) and started with computers
> back in 72 so yes I know abit about the way MS programs work
>
> "Rick Rogers" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Hi,
> >
> > Reads more like they are phasing out legacy application help file[/color][/color]
support[color=blue][color=green]
> > because the application file is no longer suitable in today's software
> > environment. They aren't saying "to hell with support of the older[/color][/color]
systems"[color=blue][color=green]
> > as they will all still have the .hlp file executable - I don't see where[/color][/color]
it[color=blue][color=green]
> > is said that they are removing it from those older systems. But I did[/color][/color]
see[color=blue][color=green]
> > this:
> >
> > "Users who want to view 32-bit .hlp files must download the program from[/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > Microsoft Download Center, and then install it on their computers. The
> > download for Windows Help is still in development. It will be available[/color][/color]
in[color=blue][color=green]
> > time for the consumer release of Windows Vista scheduled for early[/color][/color]
2007."[color=blue][color=green]
> >
> > Which reads that users can still get the executable to support the older
> > help format if it is needed for running legacy software. In fact, as far[/color][/color]
as[color=blue][color=green]
> > Vista goes, I've never seen as much backwards compatibility as is[/color][/color]
included[color=blue][color=green]
> > in it compared to any other Win variety.
> >
> > --
> > Best of Luck,
> >
> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> > [url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
> > Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]
> >
> > "I remember cp/m do you?" <Iremembercpmdoyou@discussions.microsoft.com>
> > wrote in message[/color][/color]
news:07A9BCA7-CC7A-4A7E-8510-4B8AD8EE2269@microsoft.com...[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Hello All, just found this to-day as I was using one of my 32x[/color][/color][/color]
programs[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > and
> > > looking for help.
> > > for the full report look here
> > >
> > > [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
> > >
> > > looks like Microsoft is saying to hell with suport of the older[/color][/color][/color]
systems[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color][/color]

Agree... putting forth my best Mr. Rodgers impression: "Can YOU say BETA?
Yes, I bet you can. Very good."

Lang

"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uk7FuUA8GHA.4568@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Only thing left to say is, "It's a BETA!", <s>. Wait for the download of
> Vista-ready version of WinHlp32.exe.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> [url]http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm[/url]
> [url]http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm[/url]
>
> "I remember cp/m do you?" <Iremembercpmdoyou@discussions.microsoft.com>
> wrote in message
> news:0CC1A653-1542-44CC-8013-D239996CF30F@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> her is the thing Rick, that this time you can not just inport the one
>> from
>> say xp or windows 2000 and you can not download the new one! has
>> Microsoft[/color]
> as[color=green]
>> not released it.
>>
>> and BTW I am a MCP and was a MCSE (under NT4) and started with computers
>> back in 72 so yes I know abit about the way MS programs work
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Reads more like they are phasing out legacy application help file[/color][/color]
> support[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > because the application file is no longer suitable in today's software
>> > environment. They aren't saying "to hell with support of the older[/color][/color]
> systems"[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > as they will all still have the .hlp file executable - I don't see
>> > where[/color][/color]
> it[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > is said that they are removing it from those older systems. But I did[/color][/color]
> see[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > this:
>> >
>> > "Users who want to view 32-bit .hlp files must download the program
>> > from[/color][/color]
> the[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > Microsoft Download Center, and then install it on their computers. The
>> > download for Windows Help is still in development. It will be available[/color][/color]
> in[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > time for the consumer release of Windows Vista scheduled for early[/color][/color]
> 2007."[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >
>> > Which reads that users can still get the executable to support the
>> > older
>> > help format if it is needed for running legacy software. In fact, as
>> > far[/color][/color]
> as[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > Vista goes, I've never seen as much backwards compatibility as is[/color][/color]
> included[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > in it compared to any other Win variety.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best of Luck,
>> >
>> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> > [url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
>> > Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]
>> >
>> > "I remember cp/m do you?" <Iremembercpmdoyou@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> > wrote in message[/color][/color]
> news:07A9BCA7-CC7A-4A7E-8510-4B8AD8EE2269@microsoft.com...[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > > Hello All, just found this to-day as I was using one of my 32x[/color][/color]
> programs[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > > and
>> > > looking for help.
>> > > for the full report look here
>> > >
>> > > [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
>> > >
>> > > looks like Microsoft is saying to hell with suport of the older[/color][/color]
> systems[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

Nice to see you again!

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
[url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]

"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uk7FuUA8GHA.4568@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Only thing left to say is, "It's a BETA!", <s>. Wait for the download of
> Vista-ready version of WinHlp32.exe.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> [url]http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm[/url]
> [url]http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm[/url]
>
> "I remember cp/m do you?" <Iremembercpmdoyou@discussions.microsoft.com>
> wrote in message
> news:0CC1A653-1542-44CC-8013-D239996CF30F@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> her is the thing Rick, that this time you can not just inport the one
>> from
>> say xp or windows 2000 and you can not download the new one! has
>> Microsoft[/color]
> as[color=green]
>> not released it.
>>
>> and BTW I am a MCP and was a MCSE (under NT4) and started with computers
>> back in 72 so yes I know abit about the way MS programs work
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Reads more like they are phasing out legacy application help file[/color][/color]
> support[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > because the application file is no longer suitable in today's software
>> > environment. They aren't saying "to hell with support of the older[/color][/color]
> systems"[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > as they will all still have the .hlp file executable - I don't see
>> > where[/color][/color]
> it[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > is said that they are removing it from those older systems. But I did[/color][/color]
> see[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > this:
>> >
>> > "Users who want to view 32-bit .hlp files must download the program
>> > from[/color][/color]
> the[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > Microsoft Download Center, and then install it on their computers. The
>> > download for Windows Help is still in development. It will be available[/color][/color]
> in[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > time for the consumer release of Windows Vista scheduled for early[/color][/color]
> 2007."[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >
>> > Which reads that users can still get the executable to support the
>> > older
>> > help format if it is needed for running legacy software. In fact, as
>> > far[/color][/color]
> as[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > Vista goes, I've never seen as much backwards compatibility as is[/color][/color]
> included[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > in it compared to any other Win variety.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best of Luck,
>> >
>> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> > [url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
>> > Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]
>> >
>> > "I remember cp/m do you?" <Iremembercpmdoyou@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> > wrote in message[/color][/color]
> news:07A9BCA7-CC7A-4A7E-8510-4B8AD8EE2269@microsoft.com...[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > > Hello All, just found this to-day as I was using one of my 32x[/color][/color]
> programs[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > > and
>> > > looking for help.
>> > > for the full report look here
>> > >
>> > > [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
>> > >
>> > > looks like Microsoft is saying to hell with suport of the older[/color][/color]
> systems[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

Nice to *be* back. See if I can't keep from capsizing the boat this time
around.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
[url]http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm[/url]
[url]http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm[/url]

"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23GKswPF8GHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
>
> Nice to see you again!
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> [url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
> Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uk7FuUA8GHA.4568@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Only thing left to say is, "It's a BETA!", <s>. Wait for the download of
> > Vista-ready version of WinHlp32.exe.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > [url]http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm[/url]
> > [url]http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm[/url]
> >
> > "I remember cp/m do you?" <Iremembercpmdoyou@discussions.microsoft.com>
> > wrote in message
> > news:0CC1A653-1542-44CC-8013-D239996CF30F@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> >> her is the thing Rick, that this time you can not just inport the one
> >> from
> >> say xp or windows 2000 and you can not download the new one! has
> >> Microsoft[/color]
> > as[color=darkred]
> >> not released it.
> >>
> >> and BTW I am a MCP and was a MCSE (under NT4) and started with[/color][/color][/color]
computers[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> back in 72 so yes I know abit about the way MS programs work
> >>
> >> "Rick Rogers" wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Reads more like they are phasing out legacy application help file[/color]
> > support[color=darkred]
> >> > because the application file is no longer suitable in today's[/color][/color][/color]
software[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> > environment. They aren't saying "to hell with support of the older[/color]
> > systems"[color=darkred]
> >> > as they will all still have the .hlp file executable - I don't see
> >> > where[/color]
> > it[color=darkred]
> >> > is said that they are removing it from those older systems. But I did[/color]
> > see[color=darkred]
> >> > this:
> >> >
> >> > "Users who want to view 32-bit .hlp files must download the program
> >> > from[/color]
> > the[color=darkred]
> >> > Microsoft Download Center, and then install it on their computers.[/color][/color][/color]
The[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> > download for Windows Help is still in development. It will be[/color][/color][/color]
available[color=blue][color=green]
> > in[color=darkred]
> >> > time for the consumer release of Windows Vista scheduled for early[/color]
> > 2007."[color=darkred]
> >> >
> >> > Which reads that users can still get the executable to support the
> >> > older
> >> > help format if it is needed for running legacy software. In fact, as
> >> > far[/color]
> > as[color=darkred]
> >> > Vista goes, I've never seen as much backwards compatibility as is[/color]
> > included[color=darkred]
> >> > in it compared to any other Win variety.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Best of Luck,
> >> >
> >> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> >> > [url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
> >> > Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]
> >> >
> >> > "I remember cp/m do you?"[/color][/color][/color]
<Iremembercpmdoyou@discussions.microsoft.com>[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> > wrote in message[/color]
> > news:07A9BCA7-CC7A-4A7E-8510-4B8AD8EE2269@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> >> > > Hello All, just found this to-day as I was using one of my 32x[/color]
> > programs[color=darkred]
> >> > > and
> >> > > looking for help.
> >> > > for the full report look here
> >> > >
> >> > > [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
> >> > >
> >> > > looks like Microsoft is saying to hell with suport of the older[/color]
> > systems[color=darkred]
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>[/color]