Just a thought - will Vista (the final market release version) be included
in the MS Action Pack content updates for Partner Subscribers sometime in
the first half of 2007?

The first public Betas for Vista as well as Office 2007 were included in the
July consignment.

Regards and thanks.

Tachyon

I am absolutely certain that it will be. Question is, which version(s)
of Vista.


Tachyon wrote:
[color=blue]
> Just a thought - will Vista (the final market release version) be included
> in the MS Action Pack content updates for Partner Subscribers sometime in
> the first half of 2007?
>
> The first public Betas for Vista as well as Office 2007 were included in the
> July consignment.
>
> Regards and thanks.
>
> Tachyon
>
>
>[/color]

I would hope that they would be included in the 1st update of 2007.

"Tachyon" <tachyon@hi-speed.universe> wrote in message
news:eSTA5$i7GHA.568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Just a thought - will Vista (the final market release version) be included
> in the MS Action Pack content updates for Partner Subscribers sometime in
> the first half of 2007?
>
> The first public Betas for Vista as well as Office 2007 were included in
> the
> July consignment.
>
> Regards and thanks.
>
> Tachyon
>
>
>[/color]

My response at the bottom:

"Tachyon" <tachyon@hi-speed.universe> wrote in message
news:eSTA5$i7GHA.568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Just a thought - will Vista (the final market release version) be included
> in the MS Action Pack content updates for Partner Subscribers sometime in
> the first half of 2007?
>
> The first public Betas for Vista as well as Office 2007 were included in
> the
> July consignment.
>
> Regards and thanks.
>
> Tachyon[/color]


Thanks for the encouraging responses. I would think (and wish!) they would
include the Ultimate edition as that was the edition of the beta they
shipped with the July update!

:-)

Tachyon
----------

"Tachyon" <tachyon@hi-speed.universe> wrote in message news:#mCmNru7GHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> Thanks for the encouraging responses. I would think (and wish!) they would
> include the Ultimate edition as that was the edition of the beta they
> shipped with the July update!
>
> :-)
>
> Tachyon
> ----------
>[/color]

I would guess it will be the Ultimate Edition since all the other versions
are ... crap for lack of a better word. :-)


trivia:
"Tachyon, The Fringe", Good game with Bruce Campbell.


--
///Terje Alexander Barth
\\\///

WRONG, and this type of misinformation is the same that has encouraged many
users to buy Windows XP Pro thinking they would improve performance or
stability.

All versions have their purpose and markets and there is no need for someone
to waste their $ on a version that has features they will never need.
Ultimate is to much for many users and they will be better off with another
version.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"Terje Alexander Barth" <instant0.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uOkm1tu7GHA.4288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I would guess it will be the Ultimate Edition since all the other versions
> are ... crap for lack of a better word. :-)
>
> trivia:
> "Tachyon, The Fringe", Good game with Bruce Campbell.[/color]

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message news:##RPXky7GHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> WRONG, and this type of misinformation is the same that has encouraged many
> users to buy Windows XP Pro thinking they would improve performance or
> stability.
>
> All versions have their purpose and markets and there is no need for someone
> to waste their $ on a version that has features they will never need.
> Ultimate is to much for many users and they will be better off with another
> version.
>[/color]

How can it be misinformation when it is a statement expressing a personal view on the subject.

Here is a breakdown of the different versions:
- [url]http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp[/url]

Now tell me in what way Windows Vista Starter Edition is better than
Windows Vista Ultimate.

For the Action Pack I guess the Business or Small Business Editions will work as well
although the lack of MUI might be a loss.


Here is more on why my original view on the other versions was 'crap':
- They contain less features than the Ultimate version.

Make a note that nowhere do I state that Ultimate will perform better
than the other versions, more likely it will perform worse since it
has a lot more stuff installed :-)


--
---
///Terje Alexander Barth
\\\///

All the Vista versions have their advantages and none are universally
"better".

"Now tell me in what way Windows Vista Starter Edition is better than
Windows Vista Ultimate."
The fact you even asked this question shows you miss or ignore some of the
basics.
"less features" is not always bad especially when those features are not
needed.
The Starter version can and probably is a far better option for many
similarly other versions will better meet the needs of the informed buyer
than Ultimate.
Clearly Ultimate is not the best for everyone.

Have you considered price?
Many have no need for the extra features and thus have no need to spend the
$ for Ultimate when other versions will meet the needs.
An informed buyer will not miss the missing features since they will not be
needed anyways, but they will keep some of their $.

Your "personal view" seems to be flawed since it seems to ignore price and
features gained by the added , many of which unneeded by most.
Perhaps the statement would have been more accurate if you had placed "for
me" in the sentence

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"Terje Alexander Barth" <instant0.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:454951BE-FBCF-4804-BF25-4A4AD566E042@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> How can it be misinformation when it is a statement expressing a personal
> view on the subject.
>
> Here is a breakdown of the different versions:
> - [url]http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp[/url]
>
> Now tell me in what way Windows Vista Starter Edition is better than
> Windows Vista Ultimate.
>
> For the Action Pack I guess the Business or Small Business Editions will
> work as well
> although the lack of MUI might be a loss.
>
>
> Here is more on why my original view on the other versions was 'crap':
> - They contain less features than the Ultimate version.
>
> Make a note that nowhere do I state that Ultimate will perform better
> than the other versions, more likely it will perform worse since it
> has a lot more stuff installed :-)
>
>
> --
> ---
> ///Terje Alexander Barth \\\///[/color]

>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote[color=blue]
>All the Vista versions have their advantages and none are universally
>"better".[/color]

"A More feature rich product",
"Gives you more options",
"A richer experience",
"Support more hardware",
"Extends to your Xbox360",
"Supports your in the Business AND at Home",
"Gives you all the tools",
"The most expensive operating system you can buy"

Certainly the sum of all or some of these 'traits' could earn
it the title "Better","Ultimate" if you will.

Although it DOES come at a higher cost.

So we are just arguing what we mean when we say something is "Better".
You might say "The better product is the one that meets the customers
current demands at the lowest price" whereas someone else might say
"the better product is the one with the most features".

The best choice does not have to be the better product. :-)

[color=blue]
>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote[color=green]
>>"Now tell me in what way Windows Vista Starter Edition is better than
>>Windows Vista Ultimate."[/color]
>The fact you even asked this question shows you miss or ignore some of the
>basics.[/color]

I should have added somewhere in that sentence; "for you".
And even if one knows all the facts it is still possible to
ask someone for their opinion on the subject.

Tourist: "Is this the way to rome?" --
Person["rank"]: "The fact that you even asked this question shows you miss or
ignore the basic fact that 'all roads lead to rome'."

I could rephrase the question to "Show me how/why you think I am wrong."

[color=blue]
>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
>"less features" is not always bad especially when those features are not
>needed. The Starter version can and probably is a far better option for many[/color]

For example?

[color=blue]
>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
>similarly other versions will better meet the needs of the informed buyer
>than Ultimate.[/color]

For example?

[color=blue]
>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
>Clearly Ultimate is not the best for everyone.[/color]

Now you are making a statement without backing it up with anything,
an example for (sigh) example, at least I provided a URL. :-)

[color=blue]
>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
>Have you considered price?[/color]

Does price decide if a product can be called better than another?
Cheaper or More Expensive surely, but better?

I do believe I considered price on some level, but it was far in
the back of my mind.

[color=blue]
>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
>Many have no need for the extra features and thus have no need to spend the
>$ for Ultimate when other versions will meet the needs.[/color]

The "average joe" customer will say:
"at this moment, with the money taken into account, product Y is the best
choice for me, but I know that product X has more features and can be
called a better one; so I vow today; I shall work hard at the steel mill,
so that in the end, one day, may it come soon, I can buy Vista Ultimate."

The "good" consultant will say:
"Based on your requirements and current needs we suggest you pick option Z"

The "good" salesman will say:
"Ultimate! It has everything, WOHOOO!!! High Five!"

[color=blue]
>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
>An informed buyer will not miss the missing features since they will not be
>needed anyways, but they will keep some of their $.[/color]

And when the time comes that the informed buyer requires some of
these missing features (that will not be needed anyways)
what will they do then, what will become of them?

[color=blue]
>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
> Your "personal view" seems to be flawed since it seems to ignore price and
> features gained by the added , many of which unneeded by most.
> Perhaps the statement would have been more accurate if you had placed "for
> me" in the sentence
>[/color]

How can a personal view be flawed if that view ignores the price?

Since I am making the statement, obviously it is for me and there should be
no need to add "for me" to any statements *I* make.

If I decided to sign with a professional title or other "credit" it might be
appropriate to add "for me", "based on my experience", "After 7 years of testing
I have come to the conclusion that... " and similar..
But since I dont sign that way, I dont have to add anything else either
I could just be a hillbilly talking FUD.



---
///Terje Alexander Barth
\\\///

Ok. After extensive research I have now concluded this:

1. We are Registered Microsoft Partners and subscribe to Action Pack

2. Received latest AP update and it included Vista R2 and Office 2007 R2

3. After Installing both Vista and Office 2007 found numerous BUGS like
cannot save or open files.

4. Suggested in this forum that Vista R1 would correct this

5. But R1 is not available for download unless you are a MSDN or Technet
Subscriber.

6. So Microsoft includes Vist R2 and Office 2007 R2 with Action Pack but no
R1 before its release?

What was the point shipping both Vista R2 and Office 2007 R2 together with
Action Pack if it was discovered that together without R1 they are WORTHLESS.
In addition to this Office 2007 were missing their respective Key Codes for
Action Pack (used the beta download key).

This is extremely Frustrating and has caused a serious waste of Company Time.
--
Kokkos Industries, Inc.


"Terje Alexander Barth" wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
> >"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
> >All the Vista versions have their advantages and none are universally
> >"better".[/color]
>
> "A More feature rich product",
> "Gives you more options",
> "A richer experience",
> "Support more hardware",
> "Extends to your Xbox360",
> "Supports your in the Business AND at Home",
> "Gives you all the tools",
> "The most expensive operating system you can buy"
>
> Certainly the sum of all or some of these 'traits' could earn
> it the title "Better","Ultimate" if you will.
>
> Although it DOES come at a higher cost.
>
> So we are just arguing what we mean when we say something is "Better".
> You might say "The better product is the one that meets the customers
> current demands at the lowest price" whereas someone else might say
> "the better product is the one with the most features".
>
> The best choice does not have to be the better product. :-)
>
>[color=green]
> >"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote[color=darkred]
> >>"Now tell me in what way Windows Vista Starter Edition is better than
> >>Windows Vista Ultimate."[/color]
> >The fact you even asked this question shows you miss or ignore some of the
> >basics.[/color]
>
> I should have added somewhere in that sentence; "for you".
> And even if one knows all the facts it is still possible to
> ask someone for their opinion on the subject.
>
> Tourist: "Is this the way to rome?" --
> Person["rank"]: "The fact that you even asked this question shows you miss or
> ignore the basic fact that 'all roads lead to rome'."
>
> I could rephrase the question to "Show me how/why you think I am wrong."
>
>[color=green]
> >"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
> >"less features" is not always bad especially when those features are not
> >needed. The Starter version can and probably is a far better option for many[/color]
>
> For example?
>
>[color=green]
> >"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
> >similarly other versions will better meet the needs of the informed buyer
> >than Ultimate.[/color]
>
> For example?
>
>[color=green]
> >"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
> >Clearly Ultimate is not the best for everyone.[/color]
>
> Now you are making a statement without backing it up with anything,
> an example for (sigh) example, at least I provided a URL. :-)
>
>[color=green]
> >"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
> >Have you considered price?[/color]
>
> Does price decide if a product can be called better than another?
> Cheaper or More Expensive surely, but better?
>
> I do believe I considered price on some level, but it was far in
> the back of my mind.
>
>[color=green]
> >"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
> >Many have no need for the extra features and thus have no need to spend the
> >$ for Ultimate when other versions will meet the needs.[/color]
>
> The "average joe" customer will say:
> "at this moment, with the money taken into account, product Y is the best
> choice for me, but I know that product X has more features and can be
> called a better one; so I vow today; I shall work hard at the steel mill,
> so that in the end, one day, may it come soon, I can buy Vista Ultimate."
>
> The "good" consultant will say:
> "Based on your requirements and current needs we suggest you pick option Z"
>
> The "good" salesman will say:
> "Ultimate! It has everything, WOHOOO!!! High Five!"
>
>[color=green]
> >"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
> >An informed buyer will not miss the missing features since they will not be
> >needed anyways, but they will keep some of their $.[/color]
>
> And when the time comes that the informed buyer requires some of
> these missing features (that will not be needed anyways)
> what will they do then, what will become of them?
>
>[color=green]
> >"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
> > Your "personal view" seems to be flawed since it seems to ignore price and
> > features gained by the added , many of which unneeded by most.
> > Perhaps the statement would have been more accurate if you had placed "for
> > me" in the sentence
> >[/color]
>
> How can a personal view be flawed if that view ignores the price?
>
> Since I am making the statement, obviously it is for me and there should be
> no need to add "for me" to any statements *I* make.
>
> If I decided to sign with a professional title or other "credit" it might be
> appropriate to add "for me", "based on my experience", "After 7 years of testing
> I have come to the conclusion that... " and similar..
> But since I dont sign that way, I dont have to add anything else either
> I could just be a hillbilly talking FUD.
>
>
>
> ---
> ///Terje Alexander Barth
> \\\///[/color]