"Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
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>[/color]

Indeed.

You need to buy an RTM key because its the final product.

--
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All beta builds (including RC1 and RC2) will stop working on the 1st of june
2007 beta keys will work till then
RTM will be retail and beta keys will not work on it

it is also likely that you will not be able to upgrade from RC1 or RC2 to
the final version you will probably need to do a clean install

These evaluation builds are all timebombed to stop working you can find out
the exact date and time they will stop working by typing "winver" in the run
command
And it will be most likely that the beta keys will be blocked by MSFT after
the 1st of june 2007

"Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
news:B9C4EB1C-110B-4591-B5F3-BB61D5B1CA5D@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>[/color]

yes but there going to be a gold version after RTM.RTM is justa final to
build for companies to get the drivers update there usually a gold version
after RTM before it goes public.
"Will" <imagine_44******.com> wrote in message
news:8CF770D1-FA86-446F-9041-5D9CABA46E9E@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> All beta builds (including RC1 and RC2) will stop working on the 1st of
> june 2007 beta keys will work till then
> RTM will be retail and beta keys will not work on it
>
> it is also likely that you will not be able to upgrade from RC1 or RC2 to
> the final version you will probably need to do a clean install
>
> These evaluation builds are all timebombed to stop working you can find
> out the exact date and time they will stop working by typing "winver" in
> the run command
> And it will be most likely that the beta keys will be blocked by MSFT
> after the 1st of june 2007
>
> "Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:B9C4EB1C-110B-4591-B5F3-BB61D5B1CA5D@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

RTM **IS** the gold version.

Nothing is done to RTM after is attains this designation. RTM = Released to
Manufacturing, maybe within hours of attaining that designation. After 5
million have been pressed, they are not going to stop the presses to change
the code to add anything new.

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
news:C0F35854-96B6-414D-9B55-29AE43266044@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> yes but there going to be a gold version after RTM.RTM is justa final to
> build for companies to get the drivers update there usually a gold version
> after RTM before it goes public.
> "Will" <imagine_44******.com> wrote in message
> news:8CF770D1-FA86-446F-9041-5D9CABA46E9E@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> All beta builds (including RC1 and RC2) will stop working on the 1st of
>> june 2007 beta keys will work till then
>> RTM will be retail and beta keys will not work on it
>>
>> it is also likely that you will not be able to upgrade from RC1 or RC2 to
>> the final version you will probably need to do a clean install
>>
>> These evaluation builds are all timebombed to stop working you can find
>> out the exact date and time they will stop working by typing "winver" in
>> the run command
>> And it will be most likely that the beta keys will be blocked by MSFT
>> after the 1st of june 2007
>>
>> "Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:B9C4EB1C-110B-4591-B5F3-BB61D5B1CA5D@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

There may be some differences between gold and rtm but essentually it's
still going to be the same code
From what has been said RC2 is pretty much the end of the line for public
testing

"Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
news:C0F35854-96B6-414D-9B55-29AE43266044@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> yes but there going to be a gold version after RTM.RTM is justa final to
> build for companies to get the drivers update there usually a gold version
> after RTM before it goes public.
> "Will" <imagine_44******.com> wrote in message
> news:8CF770D1-FA86-446F-9041-5D9CABA46E9E@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> All beta builds (including RC1 and RC2) will stop working on the 1st of
>> june 2007 beta keys will work till then
>> RTM will be retail and beta keys will not work on it
>>
>> it is also likely that you will not be able to upgrade from RC1 or RC2 to
>> the final version you will probably need to do a clean install
>>
>> These evaluation builds are all timebombed to stop working you can find
>> out the exact date and time they will stop working by typing "winver" in
>> the run command
>> And it will be most likely that the beta keys will be blocked by MSFT
>> after the 1st of june 2007
>>
>> "Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:B9C4EB1C-110B-4591-B5F3-BB61D5B1CA5D@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

yes will you are right RTM is the last for testing but gold is the final
version and beta testers may or some of them may get the final gold
depending how active and good bug reports and feeedback they gave to the
beta of vista.
"Will" <imagine_44******.com> wrote in message
news:67D14E34-4E70-4571-A406-7A22949C5B2B@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> There may be some differences between gold and rtm but essentually it's
> still going to be the same code
> From what has been said RC2 is pretty much the end of the line for public
> testing
>
> "Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:C0F35854-96B6-414D-9B55-29AE43266044@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> yes but there going to be a gold version after RTM.RTM is justa final to
>> build for companies to get the drivers update there usually a gold
>> version after RTM before it goes public.
>> "Will" <imagine_44******.com> wrote in message
>> news:8CF770D1-FA86-446F-9041-5D9CABA46E9E@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> All beta builds (including RC1 and RC2) will stop working on the 1st of
>>> june 2007 beta keys will work till then
>>> RTM will be retail and beta keys will not work on it
>>>
>>> it is also likely that you will not be able to upgrade from RC1 or RC2
>>> to the final version you will probably need to do a clean install
>>>
>>> These evaluation builds are all timebombed to stop working you can find
>>> out the exact date and time they will stop working by typing "winver" in
>>> the run command
>>> And it will be most likely that the beta keys will be blocked by MSFT
>>> after the 1st of june 2007
>>>
>>> "Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:B9C4EB1C-110B-4591-B5F3-BB61D5B1CA5D@microsoft.com...
>>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

RTM is not for testing. RTM is when the testing is done.

What part of the concept of Released to Manufacturing (O.K. guys, lets
produce this!) do you not get?

Does RTM code get out? It has happened. But bug reports will not be accepted
as it IS being manufactured as it is.

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
news:FDA9DFC6-B79E-496D-87EB-91AA4A78B351@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> yes will you are right RTM is the last for testing but gold is the final
> version and beta testers may or some of them may get the final gold
> depending how active and good bug reports and feeedback they gave to the
> beta of vista.
> "Will" <imagine_44******.com> wrote in message
> news:67D14E34-4E70-4571-A406-7A22949C5B2B@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> There may be some differences between gold and rtm but essentually it's
>> still going to be the same code
>> From what has been said RC2 is pretty much the end of the line for public
>> testing
>>
>> "Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:C0F35854-96B6-414D-9B55-29AE43266044@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> yes but there going to be a gold version after RTM.RTM is justa final to
>>> build for companies to get the drivers update there usually a gold
>>> version after RTM before it goes public.
>>> "Will" <imagine_44******.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8CF770D1-FA86-446F-9041-5D9CABA46E9E@microsoft.com...
>>>> All beta builds (including RC1 and RC2) will stop working on the 1st of
>>>> june 2007 beta keys will work till then
>>>> RTM will be retail and beta keys will not work on it
>>>>
>>>> it is also likely that you will not be able to upgrade from RC1 or RC2
>>>> to the final version you will probably need to do a clean install
>>>>
>>>> These evaluation builds are all timebombed to stop working you can find
>>>> out the exact date and time they will stop working by typing "winver"
>>>> in the run command
>>>> And it will be most likely that the beta keys will be blocked by MSFT
>>>> after the 1st of june 2007
>>>>
>>>> "Drew" <s@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:B9C4EB1C-110B-4591-B5F3-BB61D5B1CA5D@microsoft.com...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

"Drew" wrote:
[color=blue]
> yes will you are right RTM is the last for testing but gold is the final
> version and beta testers may or some of them may get the final gold
> depending how active and good bug reports and feeedback they gave to the
> beta of vista.[/color]

Yes, well I'm hoping they don't give them to those people who sent in
dozens of the same report over and over just to get a raised status like alot
of "bad" beta testers do. Rather of someone has submitted the same bug report
multiple times they should (hopefully) look for the ones submitted over a
period of time, instead of say 20 in 2 minutes. I can assure you I've seen
plenty of people do that with beta versions of games, and they are the ones
who get rewarded with a free full version. Which seems to be rewarding
dishonesty. Heres to hoping Microsoft doesn't fall for people who do that
kind of thing. (raises glass in a toast)

RTM = GOLD

They are NOT 2 different versions.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"VT Phantos" <VTPhantos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A2853202-1103-4417-89ED-A2DBB9971345@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Drew" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> yes will you are right RTM is the last for testing but gold is the final
>> version and beta testers may or some of them may get the final gold
>> depending how active and good bug reports and feeedback they gave to the
>> beta of vista.[/color]
>
> Yes, well I'm hoping they don't give them to those people who sent in
> dozens of the same report over and over just to get a raised status like
> alot
> of "bad" beta testers do. Rather of someone has submitted the same bug
> report
> multiple times they should (hopefully) look for the ones submitted over a
> period of time, instead of say 20 in 2 minutes. I can assure you I've seen
> plenty of people do that with beta versions of games, and they are the
> ones
> who get rewarded with a free full version. Which seems to be rewarding
> dishonesty. Heres to hoping Microsoft doesn't fall for people who do that
> kind of thing. (raises glass in a toast)[/color]

Hi,

That's really not a concern, as the only requirement of beta testers to get
a free copy was to submit at least a single bug. Submitting multiple copies
of the same bug would not gain anyone anything.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
[url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]

"VT Phantos" <VTPhantos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A2853202-1103-4417-89ED-A2DBB9971345@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Drew" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> yes will you are right RTM is the last for testing but gold is the final
>> version and beta testers may or some of them may get the final gold
>> depending how active and good bug reports and feeedback they gave to the
>> beta of vista.[/color]
>
> Yes, well I'm hoping they don't give them to those people who sent in
> dozens of the same report over and over just to get a raised status like
> alot
> of "bad" beta testers do. Rather of someone has submitted the same bug
> report
> multiple times they should (hopefully) look for the ones submitted over a
> period of time, instead of say 20 in 2 minutes. I can assure you I've seen
> plenty of people do that with beta versions of games, and they are the
> ones
> who get rewarded with a free full version. Which seems to be rewarding
> dishonesty. Heres to hoping Microsoft doesn't fall for people who do that
> kind of thing. (raises glass in a toast)[/color]

"Rick Rogers" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi,
>
> That's really not a concern, as the only requirement of beta testers to get
> a free copy was to submit at least a single bug. Submitting multiple copies
> of the same bug would not gain anyone anything.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,[/color]

Honestly, that is nice to know. :) Thanks.

Really? Then where's my copy?

"VT Phantos" wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Rick Rogers" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Hi,
> >
> > That's really not a concern, as the only requirement of beta testers to get
> > a free copy was to submit at least a single bug. Submitting multiple copies
> > of the same bug would not gain anyone anything.
> >
> > --
> > Best of Luck,[/color]
>
> Honestly, that is nice to know. :) Thanks.[/color]

If you have a question about the Vista Beta program and you were a member of
the Vista beta team you know who to contact. If you got your beta copies of
Vista through the Customer Preview Program that subject has already been
beaten into the ground and I won't address it again.

--
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"jaf1230" <jaf1230@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:432937EA-A409-4665-9684-185FAB6FE647@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Really? Then where's my copy?
>
> "VT Phantos" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Rick Rogers" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > That's really not a concern, as the only requirement of beta testers to
>> > get
>> > a free copy was to submit at least a single bug. Submitting multiple
>> > copies
>> > of the same bug would not gain anyone anything.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best of Luck,[/color]
>>
>> Honestly, that is nice to know. :) Thanks.[/color][/color]