Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
etc.

Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final RTM
code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.

Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product key
to activate.

Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
the testing process.

"Newsie" <Newsie@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8dda809b3b38859896b5@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
> when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
> etc.
>
> Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
> treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final RTM
> code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
> already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.
>
> Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
> Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product key
> to activate.
>
> Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
> before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
> the testing process.[/color]

i'd go along with that

"Newsie" <Newsie@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8dda809b3b38859896b5@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
> when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
> etc.
>
> Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
> treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final RTM
> code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
> already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.
>
> Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
> Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product key
> to activate.
>
> Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
> before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
> the testing process.[/color]

Hell of an idea. MS? What say you?

"Newsie" <Newsie@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8dda809b3b38859896b5@msnews.microsoft.com...
Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
etc.

Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final RTM
code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.

Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product key
to activate.

Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
the testing process.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Throw in a T-Shirt and I'm buying.......................

Interesting idea but will probably never happen.
Partly because of the large numbers of CPP participants.
And also because many CPP participants contribute nothing...which is all
that is expected of CPP participants anyways.

There are already the Technical Beta, TAP etc that do require
participation...somewhat.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"Newsie" <Newsie@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8dda809b3b38859896b5@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
> when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
> etc.
>
> Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
> treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final RTM
> code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
> already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.
>
> Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
> Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product key
> to activate.
>
> Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
> before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
> the testing process.[/color]

Jupiter,
Ya kill me.
Many Tech people contribute nothing too.
Too funny;

Jeff

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:eXtLUg$5GHA.4996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Interesting idea but will probably never happen.
> Partly because of the large numbers of CPP participants.
> And also because many CPP participants contribute nothing...which is all
> that is expected of CPP participants anyways.
>
> There are already the Technical Beta, TAP etc that do require
> participation...somewhat.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> [url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
> [url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
>
>
> "Newsie" <Newsie@anywhere.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1f8dda809b3b38859896b5@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
>> when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
>> etc.
>>
>> Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
>> treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final
>> RTM
>> code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
>> already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.
>>
>> Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
>> Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product
>> key
>> to activate.
>>
>> Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
>> before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
>> the testing process.[/color]
>
>[/color]

If you submitted 25 bug reports you are on the list for a roll of
monogrammed TP.

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Newsie" <Newsie@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8dda809b3b38859896b5@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
> when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
> etc.
>
> Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
> treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final RTM
> code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
> already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.
>
> Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
> Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product key
> to activate.
>
> Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
> before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
> the testing process.[/color]

Jeff;
I never said they all did.
If you think I did, you need to read my post again.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"Jeff" <S.cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:un05aAA6GHA.1256@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Jupiter,
> Ya kill me.
> Many Tech people contribute nothing too.
> Too funny;
>
> Jeff
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:eXtLUg$5GHA.4996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Interesting idea but will probably never happen.
>> Partly because of the large numbers of CPP participants.
>> And also because many CPP participants contribute nothing...which is all
>> that is expected of CPP participants anyways.
>>
>> There are already the Technical Beta, TAP etc that do require
>> participation...somewhat.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> [url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
>> [url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url][/color][/color]

yeah yeah saw it correctly after the post

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:udMKvNA6GHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Jeff;
> I never said they all did.
> If you think I did, you need to read my post again.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> [url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
> [url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
>
>
> "Jeff" <S.cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:un05aAA6GHA.1256@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Jupiter,
>> Ya kill me.
>> Many Tech people contribute nothing too.
>> Too funny;
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eXtLUg$5GHA.4996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Interesting idea but will probably never happen.
>>> Partly because of the large numbers of CPP participants.
>>> And also because many CPP participants contribute nothing...which is all
>>> that is expected of CPP participants anyways.
>>>
>>> There are already the Technical Beta, TAP etc that do require
>>> participation...somewhat.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> [url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
>>> [url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url][/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

I think the CPP has probably contributed as much as anyone else
even without sending bug reports just by the mere fact that their using it,
Seeing everytime there's an error the data of that error goes to MSFT for
then to look at and try to find a solution
and without that happening they would have far less data comming in and
problems would take a lot longer to solve.
And also I believe the CPP's secondary purpose was to use it as a marketing
tool in order to expose the maximum amount of potential buyers to their new
OS and surely that has to be worth something
I say giving the CPP the oportunity to buy the OS in advance is a good idea
seeing nobody is suggesting they give it away. MSFT really has nothing to
loose and it would be a fitting reward for those who have used the new OS in
it's beta form and have become a part of MSFT's marketing strategy

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
news:%23v6PjAA6GHA.4604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> If you submitted 25 bug reports you are on the list for a roll of
> monogrammed TP.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "Newsie" <Newsie@anywhere.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1f8dda809b3b38859896b5@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
>> when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
>> etc.
>>
>> Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
>> treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final
>> RTM
>> code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
>> already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.
>>
>> Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
>> Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product
>> key
>> to activate.
>>
>> Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
>> before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
>> the testing process.[/color]
>
>[/color]

Don't kid yourself. The quality of the RTM will "beta".... vista will not be
ready when it goes to RTM...
but MS cant do anything to avoid releasing it.

I will install it and use it but I know that I will be getting updates from
MS daily....

I must do it so I can know what troubles it will cause other people so I can
assist them.

their logic is release it now.. and well keep working on it in the
meantime...

In the meantime I will customize it, because its out of the box experience
is very bad.
Perhaps with enough effort it will be usable.

ANYWAY vista is the way to go.... even if it will have problems, it is a
shaky step forward,
even though it could have been 1000 times better. Perhaps they will improve
it with service packs,
or a second edition.

Although I do have many disagreements with the way MS is going with vista, I
am not sure if my way would be the best way for the future of computing
either.



"Newsie" <Newsie@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8dda809b3b38859896b5@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
> when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
> etc.
>
> Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
> treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final RTM
> code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
> already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.
>
> Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
> Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product key
> to activate.
>
> Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
> before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
> the testing process.[/color]

I agree vista still has a very long way to go
I remember back when windows95 got released I was using windows 3.11
I had pre-ordered windows95 to make sure I had it as soon as it hit the
shelves and windows95 was a total nightmare
I constantly had BSODS it was that bad that I had no choice but to format my
hdd and reinstall 3.11
and I didn't use windows95 at all anymore and pretty much skipped it and
went onto windows98 which was much more stable
I hope I won't have a similar experience with Vista
So far vista has been very good for me though I have not had a single BSOD
at all yet

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
news:e38$$dC6GHA.1256@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Don't kid yourself. The quality of the RTM will "beta".... vista will not
> be ready when it goes to RTM...
> but MS cant do anything to avoid releasing it.
>
> I will install it and use it but I know that I will be getting updates
> from MS daily....
>
> I must do it so I can know what troubles it will cause other people so I
> can assist them.
>
> their logic is release it now.. and well keep working on it in the
> meantime...
>
> In the meantime I will customize it, because its out of the box experience
> is very bad.
> Perhaps with enough effort it will be usable.
>
> ANYWAY vista is the way to go.... even if it will have problems, it is a
> shaky step forward,
> even though it could have been 1000 times better. Perhaps they will
> improve it with service packs,
> or a second edition.
>
> Although I do have many disagreements with the way MS is going with vista,
> I am not sure if my way would be the best way for the future of computing
> either.
>
>
>
> "Newsie" <Newsie@anywhere.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1f8dda809b3b38859896b5@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
>> when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
>> etc.
>>
>> Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
>> treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final
>> RTM
>> code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
>> already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.
>>
>> Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
>> Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product
>> key
>> to activate.
>>
>> Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
>> before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
>> the testing process.[/color]
>
>[/color]

You said "do require participation...somewhat"
What happens to the ones that do not not meet the requirements?. Sweet
bugger all.



"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:eXtLUg$5GHA.4996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Interesting idea but will probably never happen.
> Partly because of the large numbers of CPP participants.
> And also because many CPP participants contribute nothing...which is all
> that is expected of CPP participants anyways.
>
> There are already the Technical Beta, TAP etc that do require
> participation...somewhat.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> [url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
> [url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
>
>
> "Newsie" <Newsie@anywhere.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1f8dda809b3b38859896b5@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
>> when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
>> etc.
>>
>> Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
>> treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final
>> RTM
>> code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
>> already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.
>>
>> Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
>> Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product
>> key
>> to activate.
>>
>> Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
>> before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
>> the testing process.[/color]
>
>[/color]

I am no where near the people that make that decision.
This is largely speculation based on what I have seen and heard from various
sources in and out of Microsoft.

Those that do not contribute at least to a certain level may not be asked to
other Betas.
AFAIK, they are not removed from a Beta simply for lack of contributions.
People are removed from Betas for other reasons such as inappropriate
behaviour.

Remember there are many things that come into play.
For example, the active group of Beta testers may be much smaller than the
total number of Beta testers.
Many are in because of their business and other reasons known only to
Microsoft.
So nothing can be assumed just because it seems some do not participate.
Their contribution may not be so visible to others.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"Intel Inside" <REMOVETHISBIT@com> wrote in message
news:OSiYIOD6GHA.4116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> You said "do require participation...somewhat"
> What happens to the ones that do not not meet the requirements?. Sweet
> bugger all.[/color]

That will never happen. The only reason the CPP Program happens is because
it is a marketing tool. The Cpp can thank marketing for the builds they get.
"Newsie" <Newsie@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8dda809b3b38859896b5@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Let us buy Vista! Not in Jan. '07 when it appears at retail. But in Nov.
> when the RTM code is finalized and made available to OEMs, businesses,
> etc.
>
> Just use the public CPP infrastructure, which is already in place, and
> treat it just like another Vista build. Except this ISO would be final RTM
> code. CPP participants are already registered with MS. In fact, they
> already have a credit card number on file for me for OneCare Live.
>
> Sell me a new product key for the Vista version I want (probably Home
> Premium). Then I can download the ISO, burn a DVD, and use the product key
> to activate.
>
> Allowing CPP participants to receive the final RTM code several months
> before it is available at retail would be our reward for participating in
> the testing process.[/color]