"xanadu99" <xanadu99@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:98BB4AEA-6809-453A-8402-697919549213@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>I have already tried it both ways. Isn't there another route besides using
> the backup tool?
>
> "Michael Solomon" wrote:
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>> "xanadu99" <xanadu99@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:3D7C1D8D-19C8-40BB-85F5-2F72324356D2@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> >I am having the same problem and I am backing up to an external hard
>> >drive.
>> > It gets to about 80% then crashes. Please help me because if I loose
>> > my
>> > computer I don't know how I would get my upgrade back from Vista Home
>> > Premium
>> > to Vista Ultimate....
>> >
>> > "Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Can you verify that you have the latest driver for your DVD drive? The
>> >> reports I've seen of DVD/Backup errors almost always point back to the
>> >> DVD
>> >> drive as the culprit. Other people have reported success when
>> >> switching
>> >> to a
>> >> higher-quality DVD disc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> rights.
>> >>
>> >> Want to learn more about Windows file and storage technologies? Visit
>> >> our
>> >> team blog at [url]http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx[/url].
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "George" <George@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:11779F43-C736-4A4B-BD05-55EDCE4E91AB@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Got an HP machine with OEM version of Vista Ultimate 6.0.6000 Build
>> >> > 6000
>> >> > with
>> >> > 2GB of RAM. The 320G hard drive was formatted into 12 NTFS logical
>> >> > drives.
>> >> >
>> >> > Have been trying to backup files on one of the logical drives to DVD
>> >> > using
>> >> > the 'Backup and Restore' program but the backup never ran
>> >> > successfully
>> >> > to
>> >> > completion. It failed after 2 or 3 discs have been burnt and exited
>> >> > with
>> >> > either 'access denied' or 'IO error' messages. The DVD drive had
>> >> > been
>> >> > tested
>> >> > to work properly.
>> >> >
>> >> > When the backup was restarted, it prompted for the last backup disk
>> >> > to
>> >> > be
>> >> > inserted but the program could not recognized the disk. If 'Use
>> >> > blank
>> >> > disk'
>> >> > was selected, it will start from 'disk 1' again. The files to be
>> >> > backed
>> >> > up
>> >> > include .VHD between 4GB and 11GB in size.
>> >> >
>> >> > The backup still did not work if I stopped running any other
>> >> > programs
>> >> > including Norton Antivirus. The backup was also very slow that it
>> >> > took
>> >> > over
>> >> > an hour to burn a single backup disk. So much time and DVD-ROM (>
>> >> > 30)
>> >> > have
>> >> > been wasted. Very, very disappointed with the product as I expected
>> >> > Windows
>> >> > Vista should be able to perform these basic maintenance tasks with
>> >> > ease.
>> >> > Unable to find much support information on this issue on microsoft
>> >> > website
>> >> > either.
>> >> >
>> >> > Please help.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>[/color]
>>
>> Are you backing up to a folder on the drive or are you backing up
>> directly
>> to the root? If you are backing up to directly to the root, try creating
>> a
>> folder for the backup and point the backup to that folder so the folder
>> is
>> the destination instead of the root and see if that resolves the issue.
>> --
>> Michael Solomon
>> Backup is a PC user's best friend
>> DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url]
>>[/color][/color]

Sure, there are all kinds of things. I don't use the backup tool myself, I
use Stomp PC Backup but I also, save any file I create or modify to more
than one locations, I image regularly. File save and/or copying files to
more than one location, preferably on more than one type of media but once
you're caught up, it's not difficult to stay with it and it's essentially
free just as the case for the Vista backup tool but with a true backup
application, you can at least be sure you've gotten everything you need.

I do methods wherein I individually select but I feel it's best to back that
up with something that backs up the entire drive just in case I missed
something. My point is, there are all kinds of options and some of them
don't even require you to purchase 3rd party software. The question is what
do you really want to do. I don't think much of the Vista tool but if the
truth be known, it's primarily a glorified file zip application. There are
plenty of free file zip apps out there that will allow you to do pretty much
the same thing. Just Google free file zip. My only other suggestion, is
not to rely on just one form and just one type of media...safety in
redundancy!.:-)
--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url]

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> do you really want to do. I don't think much of the Vista tool but if the
> truth be known, it's primarily a glorified file zip application. There
> are plenty of free file zip apps out there that will allow you to do
> pretty much the same thing. Just Google free file zip. My only other
> suggestion, is not to rely on just one form and just one type of
> media...safety in redundancy!.:-)
> --
> Michael Solomon
> Backup is a PC user's best friend
> DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url][/color]

I just want to correct my statement about file zip application. I think the
current Vista backup tool creates an image which is different than a
straight file zip app that essentially just compresses files. Nonetheless,
you can use any of the free file zip applications as a possible backup
solution.
--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url]

I have an online backup with unlimited space but they say that even if i
backup my entire C: drive it may not restore correctly. is this true?

"Michael Solomon" wrote:
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>
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> > do you really want to do. I don't think much of the Vista tool but if the
> > truth be known, it's primarily a glorified file zip application. There
> > are plenty of free file zip apps out there that will allow you to do
> > pretty much the same thing. Just Google free file zip. My only other
> > suggestion, is not to rely on just one form and just one type of
> > media...safety in redundancy!.:-)
> > --
> > Michael Solomon
> > Backup is a PC user's best friend
> > DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url][/color]
>
> I just want to correct my statement about file zip application. I think the
> current Vista backup tool creates an image which is different than a
> straight file zip app that essentially just compresses files. Nonetheless,
> you can use any of the free file zip applications as a possible backup
> solution.
> --
> Michael Solomon
> Backup is a PC user's best friend
> DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url]
>[/color]

"xanadu99" <xanadu99@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F05AD02C-F494-4834-B424-81FF6BF26FEA@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>I have an online backup with unlimited space but they say that even if i
> backup my entire C: drive it may not restore correctly. is this true?
>
> "Michael Solomon" wrote:
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>>
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>> > do you really want to do. I don't think much of the Vista tool but if
>> > the
>> > truth be known, it's primarily a glorified file zip application. There
>> > are plenty of free file zip apps out there that will allow you to do
>> > pretty much the same thing. Just Google free file zip. My only other
>> > suggestion, is not to rely on just one form and just one type of
>> > media...safety in redundancy!.:-)
>> > --
>> > Michael Solomon
>> > Backup is a PC user's best friend
>> > DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url][/color]
>>
>> I just want to correct my statement about file zip application. I think
>> the
>> current Vista backup tool creates an image which is different than a
>> straight file zip app that essentially just compresses files.
>> Nonetheless,
>> you can use any of the free file zip applications as a possible backup
>> solution.
>> --
>> Michael Solomon
>> Backup is a PC user's best friend
>> DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url]
>>[/color][/color]

It's true of anything. By that I mean, anything can fail and certainly if
the place offering this option tells you so, take it seriously. This is the
reason for redundancy, doing more than one type of backup on different media
in order to avoid that type of issue.
--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url]

well....thanks for all your input but i'm still at a loss and i don't know
what to do.... sigh

"Michael Solomon" wrote:
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> "xanadu99" <xanadu99@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F05AD02C-F494-4834-B424-81FF6BF26FEA@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> >I have an online backup with unlimited space but they say that even if i
> > backup my entire C: drive it may not restore correctly. is this true?
> >
> > "Michael Solomon" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >>
> >>
> >> > do you really want to do. I don't think much of the Vista tool but if
> >> > the
> >> > truth be known, it's primarily a glorified file zip application. There
> >> > are plenty of free file zip apps out there that will allow you to do
> >> > pretty much the same thing. Just Google free file zip. My only other
> >> > suggestion, is not to rely on just one form and just one type of
> >> > media...safety in redundancy!.:-)
> >> > --
> >> > Michael Solomon
> >> > Backup is a PC user's best friend
> >> > DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url]
> >>
> >> I just want to correct my statement about file zip application. I think
> >> the
> >> current Vista backup tool creates an image which is different than a
> >> straight file zip app that essentially just compresses files.
> >> Nonetheless,
> >> you can use any of the free file zip applications as a possible backup
> >> solution.
> >> --
> >> Michael Solomon
> >> Backup is a PC user's best friend
> >> DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url]
> >>[/color][/color]
>
> It's true of anything. By that I mean, anything can fail and certainly if
> the place offering this option tells you so, take it seriously. This is the
> reason for redundancy, doing more than one type of backup on different media
> in order to avoid that type of issue.
> --
> Michael Solomon
> Backup is a PC user's best friend
> DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url]
>
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"xanadu99" <xanadu99@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2DB87051-EE3B-4978-9F94-16DA1DD122B7@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> well....thanks for all your input but i'm still at a loss and i don't know
> what to do.... sigh
>
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No reason for you to feel bewildered. there are a lot of options out there,
some are free, I've mentioned a few of those possibilities and you can find
more using any search engine. Some are not free. Here are two of the best
third party solutions for the home user and I use them both:

PC Backup formerly from Stomp, now owned by Migo:
[url]http://store.migosoftware.com/product.php?productid=16134&SourceId=&cat=0&page=1[/url]

Acronis True Image 10 Home Edition:
[url]http://tinyurl.com/37jnxe[/url]

There are no magic bullets and your best defense against having a problem
with a backup solution you are using is to backup to more than one location
on different types of media. In that way, if a hard drive fails or some
media you are using, DVD, CD or even flash fails, you have an alternative.
--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: [url]http://www.dts-l.org/[/url]

As mentioned previously by myself and others, there are some major
problems with Microsoft's "Backup" and file copying on both Vista and
Windows Server 2008. Some of the problems appear to be hardware and
driver specific coupled perhaps with the operating system improperly
handling data transfer problems. The typical error condition is a hang
or restart without any error messages and/or a sudden disconnection of
the drive from which the data are being copied.
I don't know what your hardware setup is, but we have had consistent,
reproducible Backup and copy failures on one platform and none on a
different platform. One of the backup devices that we use is Apricorn's
"Ez Bus DTS". This is a SATA II external storage device that connects to
a personal computer either by eSATA or by USB 2.0. Interestingly, all of
the errors have involved SATA II to SATA II transfers either between
internal drives or from internal drives to the Ez Bus DTS. We have not
had a single failure backing up or copying to and from internal SATA II
drives and an external USB 2.0 connected SATA II drive.
One other condition that you may encounter is failure to copy a
directory that contains one or more protected (DRM) audiovisual files.
The copy can fail with or without an error message. This particular
problem doesn't apply to "Backup".