From the Extreme Tech web site:

"Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems, Windows Vista is pretty
streamlined right out of the box."

Oh really? I didn't know a OS that hogs on average 8 GB of your hard
drive and clutters it up with tens of thousands of files, many that
just sit doing nothing, waiting for some special use 99% of users
never need is what's known as streamlined. I learn something new every
day.

OUCH!


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:0hf7135jago7q9o7p0c6ca0og4ud2dhtju@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> From the Extreme Tech web site:
>
> "Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems, Windows Vista is pretty
> streamlined right out of the box."
>
> Oh really? I didn't know a OS that hogs on average 8 GB of your hard
> drive and clutters it up with tens of thousands of files, many that
> just sit doing nothing, waiting for some special use 99% of users
> never need is what's known as streamlined. I learn something new every
> day.
>[/color]

Adam Albright wrote:[color=blue]
> From the Extreme Tech web site:
>
> "Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems, Windows Vista is pretty
> streamlined right out of the box."
>
> Oh really? I didn't know a OS that hogs on average 8 GB of your hard
> drive[/color]

- which is 5% or less of a typical disk in a new system today. How does that
compare with DOS, Win9x, Win2K or XP and typical disk sizes at their launch?

--
LSR

Adam Albright wrote:[color=blue]
> From the Extreme Tech web site:
>
> "Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems, Windows Vista is pretty
> streamlined right out of the box."
>
> Oh really? I didn't know a OS that hogs on average 8 GB of your hard
> drive and clutters it up with tens of thousands of files, many that
> just sit doing nothing, waiting for some special use 99% of users
> never need is what's known as streamlined. I learn something new every
> day.
>[/color]
You just don't get it do you.
Frank

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:0hf7135jago7q9o7p0c6ca0og4ud2dhtju@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> From the Extreme Tech web site:
>
> "Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems, Windows Vista is pretty
> streamlined right out of the box."
>
> Oh really? I didn't know a OS that hogs on average 8 GB of your hard
> drive and clutters it up with tens of thousands of files, many that
> just sit doing nothing, waiting for some special use 99% of users
> never need is what's known as streamlined. I learn something new every
> day.[/color]


Oh adam, must EVERYTHING in life be explained to you?

You skipped over the first part of the sentence:

"Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems"

Vista can be as non streamlined as you wish it to be. That does not matter.
They were comparing it to PREVIOUS OSs.

If your argument is that XP is more streamlined then state as such. But
your little rant only proves how irrational you can be.

As for the "files never used" comment, Linux and OSX do the same thing as
well as XP. So I guess you'll never be happy.

****, glad you're not a gamer. With games coming on multiple DVD's these
days, even console games can be ~5GB. That's for a single game.

OS'es get bigger, they add more to it. More functionality. You want me to
give you Linux with 8 GB? Done. Red Hat with equal amount of accessories of
Windows.


--
Dustin Harper
[email]dharper@vistarip.com[/email]
[url]http://www.vistarip.com[/url]

--[color=blue]
> Adam Albright wrote:[color=green]
>> From the Extreme Tech web site:
>>
>> "Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems, Windows Vista is pretty
>> streamlined right out of the box."
>>
>> Oh really? I didn't know a OS that hogs on average 8 GB of your hard
>> drive[/color][/color]

"Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in
news:uO#qYDtdHHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:0hf7135jago7q9o7p0c6ca0og4ud2dhtju@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> From the Extreme Tech web site:
>>
>> "Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems, Windows Vista is pretty
>> streamlined right out of the box."
>>
>> Oh really? I didn't know a OS that hogs on average 8 GB of your hard
>> drive and clutters it up with tens of thousands of files, many that
>> just sit doing nothing, waiting for some special use 99% of users
>> never need is what's known as streamlined. I learn something new
>> every day.[/color]
>
>
> Oh adam, must EVERYTHING in life be explained to you?
>
> You skipped over the first part of the sentence:
>
> "Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems"[/color]

Actually it depends on what the definition of streamlined really means in
this scenario, which IMO, has nothing to do with disk space usage.

Dictionary.com gives this....

1. Having a contour designed to offer the least possible resistance
to a current of air, water, etc.; optimally shaped for motion
or conductivity.
2. Designed or organized to give maximum efficiency; compact.
3. Modernized; up-to-date.

Looks like #3 is the only one that may fit here.....

Vista certainly does not match #1 or #2 on what would be considered a
standard PC...(non-dual CPU/core). While I've got no dual CPU/core
experience with Vista, from what I've read, dual CPU/core performance is
supposed to be better due to the way Vista handle it.

So, in a sense, Vista is more streamlined than any previous Windows OS
running on a new dual CPU/Core system.

But as far as unnecessary default setup, I would not say it is more
streamlined, just the same. For every XP I've installed, there are always
10 or more services I turn off immediately. Services using CPU cycles that
are not needed....like WirelessZeroConfig on a wired desktop for one. UAC
initially does nothing to make your PC more time efficient. Moving well
known locations of system items/setting's does nothing for streamlining.
Sure, after you'v used it for a while you start to know where eveything has
moved to, but certainly NOT 'out of the box', as the article states.

Back to the dual CPU/core thing, it would be interesting to see some test
results to try to prove this, Vista vs XP on identical hardware, several
setup's.....

-Single-core vs. dual core
-Single core vs. Dual CPU.
-Pentium D dual core vs. Pentium Core Duo
-and probably 6 or 8 other permutations at least, including AMD-based PCs.

The Pent D/Vista vs. Core Duo/Vista is really the most interesting one
here. In all of the dual-core hype I've seen, I'm not sure if they've ever
differentiated between PentD or Core-Duo as running faster...only dual
core. The new internal architecture of the CoreDuo processors is supposed
to give you faster processing at slower clock speeds than the Pentium D, so
possibly Vista is faster than XP on a CoreDuo than an equivalent PentD
only.

DanS

> Dictionary.com gives this....[color=blue]
>
> 1. Having a contour designed to offer the least possible resistance
> to a current of air, water, etc.; optimally shaped for motion
> or conductivity.
> 2. Designed or organized to give maximum efficiency; compact.
> 3. Modernized; up-to-date.
>
> Looks like #3 is the only one that may fit here.....[/color]

Not at all! #1 fits perfectly. The DVD sailed through the air to
my garbage can with very little air resistance. 8^)
Actually, I didn't throw it away but I uninstalled it until the
makers of my printers, etc. support it fully.

Tom Lake

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:45:57 +0100, "LSR" <nospam@easily.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Adam Albright wrote:[color=green]
>> From the Extreme Tech web site:
>>
>> "Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems, Windows Vista is pretty
>> streamlined right out of the box."
>>
>> Oh really? I didn't know a OS that hogs on average 8 GB of your hard
>> drive[/color]
>
>- which is 5% or less of a typical disk in a new system today. How does that
>compare with DOS, Win9x, Win2K or XP and typical disk sizes at their launch?[/color]

Yep, I know, but that isn't the point. When you have a few spare
minutes snoop around in the Windows folders and check the properties
on some of the dll files for example. You'll discover Vista
"installed" all kinds of files, some that are only required if you run
foreign language versions of some things, which for most people...
just waste drive space and just make Vista more bloated then it needs
to be.

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message > Actually
it depends on what the definition of streamlined really means in[color=blue]
> this scenario, which IMO, has nothing to do with disk space usage.
>
> Dictionary.com gives this....
>
> 1. Having a contour designed to offer the least possible resistance
> to a current of air, water, etc.; optimally shaped for motion
> or conductivity.
> 2. Designed or organized to give maximum efficiency; compact.
> 3. Modernized; up-to-date.
>
> Looks like #3 is the only one that may fit here.....
>
> Vista certainly does not match #1 or #2 on what would be considered a
> standard PC.[/color]

Not sure about "standard pc" however I have a dual core at home that runs
like a dream with Vista. At the work place I have Vista running on 5
machines and all of them are older hyper threaded machines. The users of
those machines are more organized and able to find information much quicker
then before. So aside from the word "compact", #2 fits.
[color=blue]
> But as far as unnecessary default setup, I would not say it is more
> streamlined, just the same. For every XP I've installed, there are always
> 10 or more services I turn off immediately. Services using CPU cycles that
> are not needed....like WirelessZeroConfig on a wired desktop for one. UAC
> initially does nothing to make your PC more time efficient. Moving well
> known locations of system items/setting's does nothing for streamlining.
> Sure, after you'v used it for a while you start to know where eveything
> has
> moved to, but certainly NOT 'out of the box', as the article states.[/color]

It does take a little while to get used to. Because of that fact you wont
see Office 2007 on my machines anytime soon. That would freak everyone out.
I use it myself but I wont force it on anyone else. Unless they ask for it.

"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:eTpPMktdHHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue][color=green]
>> Dictionary.com gives this....
>>
>> 1. Having a contour designed to offer the least possible resistance
>> to a current of air, water, etc.; optimally shaped for motion
>> or conductivity.
>> 2. Designed or organized to give maximum efficiency; compact.
>> 3. Modernized; up-to-date.
>>
>> Looks like #3 is the only one that may fit here.....[/color]
>
> Not at all! #1 fits perfectly. The DVD sailed through the air to
> my garbage can with very little air resistance. 8^)
> Actually, I didn't throw it away but I uninstalled it until the
> makers of my printers, etc. support it fully.[/color]

Oh come on!!! Who needs a printer these days? :)

I finally convinced a buddy of mine to give Vista a try. While he loved it
there was one thing that just wouldn't work for him. I believe his CPU was
an Athlon XP 2400 (?) and when he tried to run any form of H.264 the
mfpmp.exe process would tax his system from 50-100% CPU usage. We tried a
couple other video players and nothing else would work.

YET! The videos played fine while using Media Center. So, the age old
remark was mumbled once again, "f@$k windows media player, stupid POS".

He'll upgrade again when a decent video player is released. Is there any
yet? Bsplayer didn't work and I forget the other one we tried.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:gol713dqp0smcn630vg8ut22mssnh1tvj1@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:45:57 +0100, "LSR" <nospam@easily.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Adam Albright wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> From the Extreme Tech web site:
>>>
>>> "Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems, Windows Vista is pretty
>>> streamlined right out of the box."
>>>
>>> Oh really? I didn't know a OS that hogs on average 8 GB of your hard
>>> drive[/color]
>>
>>- which is 5% or less of a typical disk in a new system today. How does
>>that
>>compare with DOS, Win9x, Win2K or XP and typical disk sizes at their
>>launch?[/color]
>
> Yep, I know, but that isn't the point. When you have a few spare
> minutes snoop around in the Windows folders and check the properties
> on some of the dll files for example. You'll discover Vista
> "installed" all kinds of files, some that are only required if you run
> foreign language versions of some things, which for most people...
> just waste drive space and just make Vista more bloated then it needs
> to be.[/color]

Vista also keeps the DLLs from an upgrade and we all know you upgraded. My
system folders add up to 7.8GB and I've installed a good chunk of apps. So
I don't see how Vista is 8GB by itself.

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:58:51 -0700
"Justin" <None@None.com> wrote:

[snip]
[color=blue]
> He'll upgrade again when a decent video player is released. Is there
> any yet? Bsplayer didn't work and I forget the other one we tried.[/color]

Have you tried VideoLAN - VLC Media Player?

[url]http://www.videolan.org[/url]


--
___
oo // \\ || Gerard
(_,\/ \_/ \ ||
\ \_/_\_/> || "The only secure computer is one that is
/_/ \_\ || unplugged, locked in a safe and buried 20
___________ || feet under ground in a secret location ...
and I am not even too sure about that one.

Dennis Huges, F.B.I.

"Gerard Seibert" <gerard@seibercom.net> wrote in message
news:20070404131152.41fe37a5@localhost...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:58:51 -0700
> "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
>> He'll upgrade again when a decent video player is released. Is there
>> any yet? Bsplayer didn't work and I forget the other one we tried.[/color]
>
> Have you tried VideoLAN - VLC Media Player?[/color]

Nope. I'll check it out. Thanks for the suggestion! Maybe he hasn't
downgraded yet.

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:50:17 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Adam Albright wrote:[color=green]
>> From the Extreme Tech web site:
>>
>> "Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems, Windows Vista is pretty
>> streamlined right out of the box."
>>
>> Oh really? I didn't know a OS that hogs on average 8 GB of your hard
>> drive and clutters it up with tens of thousands of files, many that
>> just sit doing nothing, waiting for some special use 99% of users
>> never need is what's known as streamlined. I learn something new every
>> day.
>>[/color]
>You just don't get it do you.
>Frank[/color]


I "get" all the phony BS thrown around in here all too well. Thanks
for playing Frank, you recover quickly.