Toss the clown out. Make everyone's live simpler if we don't need to wade
through his garbage.

"Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:OP388gnbHHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> So you want to determine what others should do, and I am the one trying to
> fool people? too **** funny..
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
> news:uM$v9JnbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Alias
>>>
>>> Take a look here.. [url]http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73[/url]
>>>
>>> A decent bunch of people in that forum.. some are doing what I and
>>> others do here.. strangely, I don't see your counterparts in there.. the
>>> people helping are not harried like we are in here.. there is decency
>>> shown.. take a leaf out of their book..
>>>
>>> You wouldn't have a chance of learning from that forum if you had people
>>> like yourself trying to disrupt it.. you take advantage of the fact that
>>> we have to be professional in our approach, despite daily goading by the
>>> likes of you and others.. you take advantage of the fact that 99.99% of
>>> all posts appear, only in absolute worst cases anything being pulled
>>> from public view..
>>>
>>> Show some decency to people with problems they wish solved and to those
>>> who come here to offer that help.. the same kind as is afforded Ubuntu
>>> users in their forum..[/color]
>>
>> Oh, so now you're going to play the holier than thou victim card, eh. Who
>> do you think you're fooling?
>>
>> The only "help" *anyone* on this group needs is to learn to show some
>> wisdom, patience and prudence and wait on Vista until it's ready for
>> prime time. The only exception would be hobbyists and repair techs. A
>> basher would say "never", not wait and see how Vista plays out, same for
>> a troll. I've invested a lot my time in Windows and if you don't think
>> that gives me the right to express my opinion, I feel sorry for you. If
>> you would read the other MS newsgroups, you would see I try to help
>> people all the time. I even recommend installing IE7 now and have
>> installed it myself myself, although I still use Fire Fox unless I am
>> compelled to use IE ;-)
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:eu3kcl$q6n$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official Ubuntu
>>>>> forum..
>>>>
>>>> I didn't think you had the balls. You have to pick on a beginner like
>>>> me because you know you will get slaughtered on the Ubuntu newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you explain
>>>>>>> to me that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by many
>>>>>>> people, essentially all flying in loose formation.. start any time
>>>>>>> you like.. I have time.. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were
>>>>>> soundly refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will not
>>>>>> play your straw man game, sorry. If you have a question about Ubuntu,
>>>>>> please post your query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I doubt very
>>>>>> seriously that you have the balls to do so. You can start anytime you
>>>>>> like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and
>>>>>>>>> Linux, constantly being added to and patched?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>>>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like
>>>>>>>>>>> all of the
>>>>>>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more
>>>>>>>>>>> than XP did on
>>>>>>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been
>>>>>>>>>> endlessly
>>>>>>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The
>>>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat.
>>>>>>>>>> As
>>>>>>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will
>>>>>>>>>> react in
>>>>>>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era
>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so
>>>>>>>>>> convoluted
>>>>>>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up
>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to
>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now
>>>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the
>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>>>>>>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years
>>>>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>>>>>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things
>>>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]
>
>
>[/color]

Toss the clown out. Make everyone's live simpler if we don't need to wade
through his garbage.

"Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:OP388gnbHHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> So you want to determine what others should do, and I am the one trying to
> fool people? too **** funny..
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
> news:uM$v9JnbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Alias
>>>
>>> Take a look here.. [url]http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73[/url]
>>>
>>> A decent bunch of people in that forum.. some are doing what I and
>>> others do here.. strangely, I don't see your counterparts in there.. the
>>> people helping are not harried like we are in here.. there is decency
>>> shown.. take a leaf out of their book..
>>>
>>> You wouldn't have a chance of learning from that forum if you had people
>>> like yourself trying to disrupt it.. you take advantage of the fact that
>>> we have to be professional in our approach, despite daily goading by the
>>> likes of you and others.. you take advantage of the fact that 99.99% of
>>> all posts appear, only in absolute worst cases anything being pulled
>>> from public view..
>>>
>>> Show some decency to people with problems they wish solved and to those
>>> who come here to offer that help.. the same kind as is afforded Ubuntu
>>> users in their forum..[/color]
>>
>> Oh, so now you're going to play the holier than thou victim card, eh. Who
>> do you think you're fooling?
>>
>> The only "help" *anyone* on this group needs is to learn to show some
>> wisdom, patience and prudence and wait on Vista until it's ready for
>> prime time. The only exception would be hobbyists and repair techs. A
>> basher would say "never", not wait and see how Vista plays out, same for
>> a troll. I've invested a lot my time in Windows and if you don't think
>> that gives me the right to express my opinion, I feel sorry for you. If
>> you would read the other MS newsgroups, you would see I try to help
>> people all the time. I even recommend installing IE7 now and have
>> installed it myself myself, although I still use Fire Fox unless I am
>> compelled to use IE ;-)
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:eu3kcl$q6n$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official Ubuntu
>>>>> forum..
>>>>
>>>> I didn't think you had the balls. You have to pick on a beginner like
>>>> me because you know you will get slaughtered on the Ubuntu newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you explain
>>>>>>> to me that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by many
>>>>>>> people, essentially all flying in loose formation.. start any time
>>>>>>> you like.. I have time.. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were
>>>>>> soundly refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will not
>>>>>> play your straw man game, sorry. If you have a question about Ubuntu,
>>>>>> please post your query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I doubt very
>>>>>> seriously that you have the balls to do so. You can start anytime you
>>>>>> like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and
>>>>>>>>> Linux, constantly being added to and patched?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>>>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like
>>>>>>>>>>> all of the
>>>>>>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more
>>>>>>>>>>> than XP did on
>>>>>>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been
>>>>>>>>>> endlessly
>>>>>>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The
>>>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat.
>>>>>>>>>> As
>>>>>>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will
>>>>>>>>>> react in
>>>>>>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era
>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so
>>>>>>>>>> convoluted
>>>>>>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up
>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to
>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now
>>>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the
>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>>>>>>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years
>>>>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>>>>>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things
>>>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]
>
>
>[/color]

It is my computer. I paid for it and I can do whatever I want to do with
it. Windows is too limiting. I want more out of my Operating System.
However, there are times, when I want or need to use Windows, but those
times do not happen very often, so why should I tie up my computer
resources for those few times that I WANT to use Windows. In Linux, I
can run Windows as a virtual machine, for those few times that I WANT to
use it and I can shut the blasted thing off for all those other times.
Linux gives me security, lots of computing power, multiple desktops,
better sound and video quality. Even with the Windows virtual machine
running, I notice no degradation in my computing experience. It is just
one window out of the 10 or 20 that I run at the same time. I can be
burning a cd or dvd,downloading files, chatting, running the Windows
virtual machine (which is also running programs), browsing the net,
watching you tube videos and I am still going strong. Nothing crashes.

Please Note:

I WANT
NOT
WHAT MICROSOFT WANTS...



On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:41:29 -0400, Larry wrote:
[color=blue]
> Stupid question: If you're running XP inside Linux, then you apparently
> want XP. Why then are you running Linux?[/color]

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[color=blue][color=green]
>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS about
>> computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the good thing is
>> that independent computer builders now have a chance of making good spec
>> pc's that will work better for the end user![/color]
>
> Sounds like they'd run Linux quite nicely.[/color]

And as Linux people continue to forget.. yes it might... but what about the
apps the user would like to run.

I LIKE the look and feel of XP and Vista as its a uniformed standard....
Linux is not and that is its main downfall.
The average user must be guided by a standard and whether you like that or
not... Windows has that.

Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
news:Oug57ErbHHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS about
>>> computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the good thing is
>>> that independent computer builders now have a chance of making good spec
>>> pc's that will work better for the end user![/color]
>>
>> Sounds like they'd run Linux quite nicely.[/color]
>
> And as Linux people continue to forget.. yes it might... but what about
> the apps the user would like to run.
>
> I LIKE the look and feel of XP and Vista as its a uniformed standard....
> Linux is not and that is its main downfall.
> The average user must be guided by a standard and whether you like that or
> not... Windows has that.
>[/color]

Hi Gordon,

I would disagree. I think the failure of Linux to gain a larger market share
than it has is due to the fact that it is, fundamentally, a programmers OS.
There is nothing better than Kate linked to GCC for a mean, lean programmers
environment, (in another users group I would get slaughtered by the VI/emacs
crowd for such a satement). It is not, however, for the average user.

Kind Regards,

Wayne McDermott

Tom Lake wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>> Internal *win* modems won't work with Linux Ubuntu because they're
>> designed to only work with Windows.[/color]
>
> Not quite true. It's the driver that does all the work. They can be used
> with
> Linux as well if a driver is written. Most name-brand Winmodems have
> Linux drivers.
>
>[/color]

That's good news! Where would I find drivers for these types of modems?

Thanks,

Alias

Larry wrote:[color=blue]
> Bill,
>
> What would I have to know, and what kind of hardware would I have to have,
> to install and run Linux the way you're talking about? I know nothing about
> Linux. I have Windows 98 on my current eight year old machine.[/color]

I am posting from an 8 year old machine (ASUS AMD 800 Mhz, 512 PC-100
RAM), running Ubuntu Linux. Order the live cd from [url]www.ubuntu.com[/url] and
take it for a test drive on that machine without having to install it.

Alias[color=blue]
>
>
> "Bill" <bigbill52a@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.03.25.03.20.01@nowhere.com...[color=green]
>> I installed PCLINUXOS in 15 minutes. All my hardware was read, including
>> my HP printer and wireless usb. I installed my NVIDIA drivers from the
>> control center...just another couple of seconds and log in and out. I
>> tried out the 3d desktop, which required that I log in and out. The menu
>> button brought up a list of all my applications and I was working within
>> 30 minutes of starting the installation. I used synaptic to download a
>> lot of free software, and to update my installation. Unlike Windows, you
>> can keep on working while you are installing and updating. Yesterday,
>> after reading the February Issue of PCLINUXOS magazine, I was able to
>> install VMWARE and to create a virtual machine for my legal copy of XP.
>> I am now running XP faster in a window within my linux OS. It is just
>> another Window..lol. Nothing has crashed so far, including windows,
>> which I can turn off at any time. Right now, I am listening to music,
>> chatting on XCHAT, running Xnews in Windows and Pan in Linux. I have
>> four browsers up on different websites. I can even use Internet Explorer
>> within my virtual machine. I am in the process of doing away with my
>> dual boot with windows, since with the virtual machine, I only need
>> Linux. So what is so hard about Linux...I dont get it...
>>[color=darkred]
>>> The same can be said about Linux as well (heheh.. had to say that Alias)
>>> it's not end user nice in any way or form, and it's why the fanciness of
>>> Vista appeals to the masses...
>>> The demands of the O.S. are all to do with the fancy GFX side of things
>>> in my opinion, but I would like MS to drop this multiple versions
>>> nonsense and have one o.s. that we ALL USE and can all get the help and
>>> support in one place![/color]
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Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> So you want to determine what others should do,[/color]

Where did I say that?
[color=blue]
> and I am the one trying
> to fool people? too **** funny..[/color]

Yes, you are and it isn't funny but pathetic.

Alias[color=blue]
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
> news:uM$v9JnbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Alias
>>>
>>> Take a look here.. [url]http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73[/url]
>>>
>>> A decent bunch of people in that forum.. some are doing what I and
>>> others do here.. strangely, I don't see your counterparts in there..
>>> the people helping are not harried like we are in here.. there is
>>> decency shown.. take a leaf out of their book..
>>>
>>> You wouldn't have a chance of learning from that forum if you had
>>> people like yourself trying to disrupt it.. you take advantage of the
>>> fact that we have to be professional in our approach, despite daily
>>> goading by the likes of you and others.. you take advantage of the
>>> fact that 99.99% of all posts appear, only in absolute worst cases
>>> anything being pulled from public view..
>>>
>>> Show some decency to people with problems they wish solved and to
>>> those who come here to offer that help.. the same kind as is afforded
>>> Ubuntu users in their forum..[/color]
>>
>> Oh, so now you're going to play the holier than thou victim card, eh.
>> Who do you think you're fooling?
>>
>> The only "help" *anyone* on this group needs is to learn to show some
>> wisdom, patience and prudence and wait on Vista until it's ready for
>> prime time. The only exception would be hobbyists and repair techs. A
>> basher would say "never", not wait and see how Vista plays out, same
>> for a troll. I've invested a lot my time in Windows and if you don't
>> think that gives me the right to express my opinion, I feel sorry for
>> you. If you would read the other MS newsgroups, you would see I try to
>> help people all the time. I even recommend installing IE7 now and have
>> installed it myself myself, although I still use Fire Fox unless I am
>> compelled to use IE ;-)
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:eu3kcl$q6n$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official Ubuntu
>>>>> forum..
>>>>
>>>> I didn't think you had the balls. You have to pick on a beginner
>>>> like me because you know you will get slaughtered on the Ubuntu
>>>> newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you
>>>>>>> explain to me that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by
>>>>>>> many people, essentially all flying in loose formation.. start
>>>>>>> any time you like.. I have time.. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were
>>>>>> soundly refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will not
>>>>>> play your straw man game, sorry. If you have a question about
>>>>>> Ubuntu, please post your query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I
>>>>>> doubt very seriously that you have the balls to do so. You can
>>>>>> start anytime you like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and
>>>>>>>>> Linux, constantly being added to and patched?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>>>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just
>>>>>>>>>>> like all of the
>>>>>>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more
>>>>>>>>>>> than XP did on
>>>>>>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it
>>>>>>>>>>> is that
>>>>>>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been
>>>>>>>>>> endlessly
>>>>>>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The
>>>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code
>>>>>>>>>> bloat. As
>>>>>>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much
>>>>>>>>>> due to
>>>>>>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and
>>>>>>>>>> devices that
>>>>>>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the
>>>>>>>>>> push to
>>>>>>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the
>>>>>>>>>> complexity of the
>>>>>>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will
>>>>>>>>>> react in
>>>>>>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new
>>>>>>>>>> era where
>>>>>>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so
>>>>>>>>>> convoluted
>>>>>>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up
>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to
>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now
>>>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect
>>>>>>>>>> the next
>>>>>>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>>>>>>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years
>>>>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>>>>>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things
>>>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

"The only "help" *anyone* on this group needs is to learn to show some
wisdom, patience and prudence and wait on Vista until it's ready for
prime time. The only exception would be hobbyists and repair techs."

Your words, btw.. so all of the people with hardware and software that
doesn't have issues if run with Vista should wait because you say so? Do you
think that my OEM Nero 6 would be any more compatible if I were to wait for
Vista primetime? Other than waiting for nVidia to get their act together and
produce a full driver version, my system would work no better in six months
than it does now.. I don't have any bad hardware issues, and I am not
alone..

On the subject of hardware issues, have you found winmodem drivers for your
Ubuntu yet? try Google..



"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
news:OhjD5msbHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> So you want to determine what others should do,[/color]
>
> Where did I say that?
>[color=green]
>> and I am the one trying to fool people? too **** funny..[/color]
>
> Yes, you are and it isn't funny but pathetic.
>
> Alias[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
>> news:uM$v9JnbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Take a look here.. [url]http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73[/url]
>>>>
>>>> A decent bunch of people in that forum.. some are doing what I and
>>>> others do here.. strangely, I don't see your counterparts in there..
>>>> the people helping are not harried like we are in here.. there is
>>>> decency shown.. take a leaf out of their book..
>>>>
>>>> You wouldn't have a chance of learning from that forum if you had
>>>> people like yourself trying to disrupt it.. you take advantage of the
>>>> fact that we have to be professional in our approach, despite daily
>>>> goading by the likes of you and others.. you take advantage of the fact
>>>> that 99.99% of all posts appear, only in absolute worst cases anything
>>>> being pulled from public view..
>>>>
>>>> Show some decency to people with problems they wish solved and to those
>>>> who come here to offer that help.. the same kind as is afforded Ubuntu
>>>> users in their forum..
>>>
>>> Oh, so now you're going to play the holier than thou victim card, eh.
>>> Who do you think you're fooling?
>>>
>>> The only "help" *anyone* on this group needs is to learn to show some
>>> wisdom, patience and prudence and wait on Vista until it's ready for
>>> prime time. The only exception would be hobbyists and repair techs. A
>>> basher would say "never", not wait and see how Vista plays out, same for
>>> a troll. I've invested a lot my time in Windows and if you don't think
>>> that gives me the right to express my opinion, I feel sorry for you. If
>>> you would read the other MS newsgroups, you would see I try to help
>>> people all the time. I even recommend installing IE7 now and have
>>> installed it myself myself, although I still use Fire Fox unless I am
>>> compelled to use IE ;-)
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:eu3kcl$q6n$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official Ubuntu
>>>>>> forum..
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't think you had the balls. You have to pick on a beginner like
>>>>> me because you know you will get slaughtered on the Ubuntu newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you explain
>>>>>>>> to me that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by many
>>>>>>>> people, essentially all flying in loose formation.. start any time
>>>>>>>> you like.. I have time.. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were
>>>>>>> soundly refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will not
>>>>>>> play your straw man game, sorry. If you have a question about
>>>>>>> Ubuntu, please post your query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I
>>>>>>> doubt very seriously that you have the balls to do so. You can start
>>>>>>> anytime you like.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and
>>>>>>>>>> Linux, constantly being added to and patched?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>>>>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just
>>>>>>>>>>>> like all of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more
>>>>>>>>>>>> than XP did on
>>>>>>>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it
>>>>>>>>>>>> is that
>>>>>>>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been
>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly
>>>>>>>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The
>>>>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat.
>>>>>>>>>>> As
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and
>>>>>>>>>>> devices that
>>>>>>>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the
>>>>>>>>>>> push to
>>>>>>>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will
>>>>>>>>>>> react in
>>>>>>>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era
>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so
>>>>>>>>>>> convoluted
>>>>>>>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up
>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to
>>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now
>>>>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the
>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>>>>>>>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years
>>>>>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>>>>>>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things
>>>>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> "The only "help" *anyone* on this group needs is to learn to show some
> wisdom, patience and prudence and wait on Vista until it's ready for
> prime time. The only exception would be hobbyists and repair techs."
>
> Your words, btw..[/color]

And my opinion. I am entitled to have an opinion, aren't I?

so all of the people with hardware and software that[color=blue]
> doesn't have issues if run with Vista should wait because you say so?[/color]

Only if they value my opinion.
[color=blue]
> Do
> you think that my OEM Nero 6 would be any more compatible if I were to
> wait for Vista primetime? Other than waiting for nVidia to get their act
> together and produce a full driver version, my system would work no
> better in six months than it does now.. I don't have any bad hardware
> issues, and I am not alone..[/color]

Vista will be updated. nVidia, et al, will get their act together. MS
might even fix UAC, etc. You are one of the exceptions, a hobbyist and
perhaps a repair tech.
[color=blue]
> On the subject of hardware issues, have you found winmodem drivers for
> your Ubuntu yet? try Google..[/color]

Not relevant and merely a lame attempt on your part to throw a straw man
out there combined with an ad hominem.

Alias[color=blue]
>
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
> news:OhjD5msbHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> So you want to determine what others should do,[/color]
>>
>> Where did I say that?
>>[color=darkred]
>>> and I am the one trying to fool people? too **** funny..[/color]
>>
>> Yes, you are and it isn't funny but pathetic.
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
>>> news:uM$v9JnbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a look here.. [url]http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>> A decent bunch of people in that forum.. some are doing what I and
>>>>> others do here.. strangely, I don't see your counterparts in
>>>>> there.. the people helping are not harried like we are in here..
>>>>> there is decency shown.. take a leaf out of their book..
>>>>>
>>>>> You wouldn't have a chance of learning from that forum if you had
>>>>> people like yourself trying to disrupt it.. you take advantage of
>>>>> the fact that we have to be professional in our approach, despite
>>>>> daily goading by the likes of you and others.. you take advantage
>>>>> of the fact that 99.99% of all posts appear, only in absolute worst
>>>>> cases anything being pulled from public view..
>>>>>
>>>>> Show some decency to people with problems they wish solved and to
>>>>> those who come here to offer that help.. the same kind as is
>>>>> afforded Ubuntu users in their forum..
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so now you're going to play the holier than thou victim card,
>>>> eh. Who do you think you're fooling?
>>>>
>>>> The only "help" *anyone* on this group needs is to learn to show
>>>> some wisdom, patience and prudence and wait on Vista until it's
>>>> ready for prime time. The only exception would be hobbyists and
>>>> repair techs. A basher would say "never", not wait and see how Vista
>>>> plays out, same for a troll. I've invested a lot my time in Windows
>>>> and if you don't think that gives me the right to express my
>>>> opinion, I feel sorry for you. If you would read the other MS
>>>> newsgroups, you would see I try to help people all the time. I even
>>>> recommend installing IE7 now and have installed it myself myself,
>>>> although I still use Fire Fox unless I am compelled to use IE ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eu3kcl$q6n$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official Ubuntu
>>>>>>> forum..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't think you had the balls. You have to pick on a beginner
>>>>>> like me because you know you will get slaughtered on the Ubuntu
>>>>>> newsgroup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you
>>>>>>>>> explain to me that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored
>>>>>>>>> by many people, essentially all flying in loose formation..
>>>>>>>>> start any time you like.. I have time.. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were
>>>>>>>> soundly refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will
>>>>>>>> not play your straw man game, sorry. If you have a question
>>>>>>>> about Ubuntu, please post your query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu,
>>>>>>>> although I doubt very seriously that you have the balls to do
>>>>>>>> so. You can start anytime you like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix
>>>>>>>>>>> and Linux, constantly being added to and patched?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like all of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than XP did on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been
>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly
>>>>>>>>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The result
>>>>>>>>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code
>>>>>>>>>>>> bloat. As
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much
>>>>>>>>>>>> due to
>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and
>>>>>>>>>>>> devices that
>>>>>>>>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> push to
>>>>>>>>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> complexity of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will
>>>>>>>>>>>> react in
>>>>>>>>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new
>>>>>>>>>>>> era where
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so
>>>>>>>>>>>> convoluted
>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come
>>>>>>>>>>>> up with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to
>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install
>>>>>>>>>>>> now weights
>>>>>>>>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect
>>>>>>>>>>>> the next
>>>>>>>>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years
>>>>>>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>>>>>>>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things
>>>>>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

I guess Ubuntu is one particular type of Linux OS. What are its advantages
over others?

Also, I have 288 MB of RAM on a system with 333 MH.

Alias wrote:[color=blue]
> Larry wrote:[color=green]
> > Bill,
> >
> > What would I have to know, and what kind of hardware would I have
> > to have, to install and run Linux the way you're talking about? I
> > know nothing about Linux. I have Windows 98 on my current eight
> > year old machine.[/color]
>
> I am posting from an 8 year old machine (ASUS AMD 800 Mhz, 512 PC-100
> RAM), running Ubuntu Linux. Order the live cd from [url]www.ubuntu.com[/url] and
> take it for a test drive on that machine without having to install it.
>
> Alias[color=green]
> >
> >
> > "Bill" <bigbill52a@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:pan.2007.03.25.03.20.01@nowhere.com...[color=darkred]
> > > I installed PCLINUXOS in 15 minutes. All my hardware was read,
> > > including my HP printer and wireless usb. I installed my NVIDIA
> > > drivers from the control center...just another couple of seconds
> > > and log in and out. I tried out the 3d desktop, which required
> > > that I log in and out. The menu button brought up a list of all
> > > my applications and I was working within 30 minutes of starting
> > > the installation. I used synaptic to download a lot of free
> > > software, and to update my installation. Unlike Windows, you can
> > > keep on working while you are installing and updating.
> > > Yesterday, after reading the February Issue of PCLINUXOS
> > > magazine, I was able to install VMWARE and to create a virtual
> > > machine for my legal copy of XP. I am now running XP faster in a
> > > window within my linux OS. It is just another Window..lol.
> > > Nothing has crashed so far, including windows, which I can turn
> > > off at any time. Right now, I am listening to music, chatting on
> > > XCHAT, running Xnews in Windows and Pan in Linux. I have four
> > > browsers up on different websites. I can even use Internet
> > > Explorer within my virtual machine. I am in the process of doing
> > > away with my dual boot with windows, since with the virtual
> > > machine, I only need Linux. So what is so hard about Linux...I
> > > dont get it...
> > >
> > > > The same can be said about Linux as well (heheh.. had to say
> > > > that Alias) it's not end user nice in any way or form, and it's
> > > > why the fanciness of Vista appeals to the masses...
> > > > The demands of the O.S. are all to do with the fancy GFX side
> > > > of things in my opinion, but I would like MS to drop this
> > > > multiple versions nonsense and have one o.s. that we ALL USE
> > > > and can all get the help and support in one place!
> > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure
> > > Usenet[/color]
> > News==----[color=darkred]
> > > [url]http://www.newsfeeds.com[/url] The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > > 120,000+[/color]
> > Newsgroups[color=darkred]
> > > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via
> > > Encryption[/color]
> > =----[/color][/color]

Perhaps you would like to tell us why you are using an OS which does not
appear to cater for all of your hardware.. you seem to be quick enough off
of the mark to tell those who have Vista hardware driver issues to go back
to XP or move over to Linux (Ubuntu specifically)..

You made a remark about a winmodem of yours not running in Ubuntu, and
somebody gave you information about how to get it to work.. is that not what
we are doing here?

I wouldn't dream of going into the Ubuntu forum and telling somebody to
change to Vista or XP just because they couldn't find a driver for a modem
immediately, but you seem to have no problem doing the reverse..

So have you Googled for the modem driver yet?

[url]http://linmodems.org/[/url]

[url]http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-2.html[/url]

Interestingly, there is a short statement re lack of Linux drivers for some
modems in the second link.. now where have we heard 'There are no drivers
available presently" before?

Maybe the answer is to change the modem.. OMG, the humanity.. how could
Linux do this to us.. oh no.. they give us a free OS and then expect us to
pay $5 for a modem that works!!!!!!!!!!!!

(space reserved for ad hominem attacks)





"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
news:O%23ULzVtbHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> "The only "help" *anyone* on this group needs is to learn to show some
>> wisdom, patience and prudence and wait on Vista until it's ready for
>> prime time. The only exception would be hobbyists and repair techs."
>>
>> Your words, btw..[/color]
>
> And my opinion. I am entitled to have an opinion, aren't I?
>
> so all of the people with hardware and software that[color=green]
>> doesn't have issues if run with Vista should wait because you say so?[/color]
>
> Only if they value my opinion.
>[color=green]
>> Do you think that my OEM Nero 6 would be any more compatible if I were to
>> wait for Vista primetime? Other than waiting for nVidia to get their act
>> together and produce a full driver version, my system would work no
>> better in six months than it does now.. I don't have any bad hardware
>> issues, and I am not alone..[/color]
>
> Vista will be updated. nVidia, et al, will get their act together. MS
> might even fix UAC, etc. You are one of the exceptions, a hobbyist and
> perhaps a repair tech.
>[color=green]
>> On the subject of hardware issues, have you found winmodem drivers for
>> your Ubuntu yet? try Google..[/color]
>
> Not relevant and merely a lame attempt on your part to throw a straw man
> out there combined with an ad hominem.
>
> Alias[color=green]
>>
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
>> news:OhjD5msbHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>> So you want to determine what others should do,
>>>
>>> Where did I say that?
>>>
>>>> and I am the one trying to fool people? too **** funny..
>>>
>>> Yes, you are and it isn't funny but pathetic.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
>>>> news:uM$v9JnbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a look here.. [url]http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73[/url]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A decent bunch of people in that forum.. some are doing what I and
>>>>>> others do here.. strangely, I don't see your counterparts in there..
>>>>>> the people helping are not harried like we are in here.. there is
>>>>>> decency shown.. take a leaf out of their book..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You wouldn't have a chance of learning from that forum if you had
>>>>>> people like yourself trying to disrupt it.. you take advantage of the
>>>>>> fact that we have to be professional in our approach, despite daily
>>>>>> goading by the likes of you and others.. you take advantage of the
>>>>>> fact that 99.99% of all posts appear, only in absolute worst cases
>>>>>> anything being pulled from public view..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Show some decency to people with problems they wish solved and to
>>>>>> those who come here to offer that help.. the same kind as is afforded
>>>>>> Ubuntu users in their forum..
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, so now you're going to play the holier than thou victim card, eh.
>>>>> Who do you think you're fooling?
>>>>>
>>>>> The only "help" *anyone* on this group needs is to learn to show some
>>>>> wisdom, patience and prudence and wait on Vista until it's ready for
>>>>> prime time. The only exception would be hobbyists and repair techs. A
>>>>> basher would say "never", not wait and see how Vista plays out, same
>>>>> for a troll. I've invested a lot my time in Windows and if you don't
>>>>> think that gives me the right to express my opinion, I feel sorry for
>>>>> you. If you would read the other MS newsgroups, you would see I try to
>>>>> help people all the time. I even recommend installing IE7 now and have
>>>>> installed it myself myself, although I still use Fire Fox unless I am
>>>>> compelled to use IE ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eu3kcl$q6n$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official Ubuntu
>>>>>>>> forum..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't think you had the balls. You have to pick on a beginner
>>>>>>> like me because you know you will get slaughtered on the Ubuntu
>>>>>>> newsgroup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you
>>>>>>>>>> explain to me that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by
>>>>>>>>>> many people, essentially all flying in loose formation.. start
>>>>>>>>>> any time you like.. I have time.. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were
>>>>>>>>> soundly refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will not
>>>>>>>>> play your straw man game, sorry. If you have a question about
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu, please post your query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I
>>>>>>>>> doubt very seriously that you have the balls to do so. You can
>>>>>>>>> start anytime you like.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux, constantly being added to and patched?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like all of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than XP did on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bloat. As
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> push to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> complexity of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> react in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> era where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> convoluted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the next
>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tinkering,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things
>>>>>>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Larry wrote:[color=blue]
> I guess Ubuntu is one particular type of Linux OS. What are its advantages
> over others?[/color]

User friendly.
[color=blue]
>
> Also, I have 288 MB of RAM on a system with 333 MH.[/color]

Not sure if it will run well with those specs but you can order the CD
and run it without installing and see.

Alias[color=blue]
>
> Alias wrote:[color=green]
>> Larry wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> What would I have to know, and what kind of hardware would I have
>>> to have, to install and run Linux the way you're talking about? I
>>> know nothing about Linux. I have Windows 98 on my current eight
>>> year old machine.[/color]
>> I am posting from an 8 year old machine (ASUS AMD 800 Mhz, 512 PC-100
>> RAM), running Ubuntu Linux. Order the live cd from [url]www.ubuntu.com[/url] and
>> take it for a test drive on that machine without having to install it.
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Bill" <bigbill52a@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2007.03.25.03.20.01@nowhere.com...
>>>> I installed PCLINUXOS in 15 minutes. All my hardware was read,
>>>> including my HP printer and wireless usb. I installed my NVIDIA
>>>> drivers from the control center...just another couple of seconds
>>>> and log in and out. I tried out the 3d desktop, which required
>>>> that I log in and out. The menu button brought up a list of all
>>>> my applications and I was working within 30 minutes of starting
>>>> the installation. I used synaptic to download a lot of free
>>>> software, and to update my installation. Unlike Windows, you can
>>>> keep on working while you are installing and updating.
>>>> Yesterday, after reading the February Issue of PCLINUXOS
>>>> magazine, I was able to install VMWARE and to create a virtual
>>>> machine for my legal copy of XP. I am now running XP faster in a
>>>> window within my linux OS. It is just another Window..lol.
>>>> Nothing has crashed so far, including windows, which I can turn
>>>> off at any time. Right now, I am listening to music, chatting on
>>>> XCHAT, running Xnews in Windows and Pan in Linux. I have four
>>>> browsers up on different websites. I can even use Internet
>>>> Explorer within my virtual machine. I am in the process of doing
>>>> away with my dual boot with windows, since with the virtual
>>>> machine, I only need Linux. So what is so hard about Linux...I
>>>> dont get it...
>>>>
>>>>> The same can be said about Linux as well (heheh.. had to say
>>>>> that Alias) it's not end user nice in any way or form, and it's
>>>>> why the fanciness of Vista appeals to the masses...
>>>>> The demands of the O.S. are all to do with the fancy GFX side
>>>>> of things in my opinion, but I would like MS to drop this
>>>>> multiple versions nonsense and have one o.s. that we ALL USE
>>>>> and can all get the help and support in one place!
>>>> ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure
>>>> Usenet
>>> News==----
>>>> [url]http://www.newsfeeds.com[/url] The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
>>>> 120,000+
>>> Newsgroups
>>>> ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via
>>>> Encryption
>>> =----[/color][/color]
>[/color]

Larry

Apparently PCLinuxOS is making ground very quickly now.. I don't presently
have a machine on which it can be installed, but I would be interested in
trying it out at some stage..


"Larry" <larry328NOSPAM@att.net> wrote in message
news:Ok4thHubHHA.4888@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I guess Ubuntu is one particular type of Linux OS. What are its advantages
> over others?
>
> Also, I have 288 MB of RAM on a system with 333 MH.
>
> Alias wrote:[color=green]
>> Larry wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > Bill,
>> >
>> > What would I have to know, and what kind of hardware would I have
>> > to have, to install and run Linux the way you're talking about? I
>> > know nothing about Linux. I have Windows 98 on my current eight
>> > year old machine.[/color]
>>
>> I am posting from an 8 year old machine (ASUS AMD 800 Mhz, 512 PC-100
>> RAM), running Ubuntu Linux. Order the live cd from [url]www.ubuntu.com[/url] and
>> take it for a test drive on that machine without having to install it.
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>> >
>> >
>> > "Bill" <bigbill52a@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> > news:pan.2007.03.25.03.20.01@nowhere.com...
>> > > I installed PCLINUXOS in 15 minutes. All my hardware was read,
>> > > including my HP printer and wireless usb. I installed my NVIDIA
>> > > drivers from the control center...just another couple of seconds
>> > > and log in and out. I tried out the 3d desktop, which required
>> > > that I log in and out. The menu button brought up a list of all
>> > > my applications and I was working within 30 minutes of starting
>> > > the installation. I used synaptic to download a lot of free
>> > > software, and to update my installation. Unlike Windows, you can
>> > > keep on working while you are installing and updating.
>> > > Yesterday, after reading the February Issue of PCLINUXOS
>> > > magazine, I was able to install VMWARE and to create a virtual
>> > > machine for my legal copy of XP. I am now running XP faster in a
>> > > window within my linux OS. It is just another Window..lol.
>> > > Nothing has crashed so far, including windows, which I can turn
>> > > off at any time. Right now, I am listening to music, chatting on
>> > > XCHAT, running Xnews in Windows and Pan in Linux. I have four
>> > > browsers up on different websites. I can even use Internet
>> > > Explorer within my virtual machine. I am in the process of doing
>> > > away with my dual boot with windows, since with the virtual
>> > > machine, I only need Linux. So what is so hard about Linux...I
>> > > dont get it...
>> > >
>> > > > The same can be said about Linux as well (heheh.. had to say
>> > > > that Alias) it's not end user nice in any way or form, and it's
>> > > > why the fanciness of Vista appeals to the masses...
>> > > > The demands of the O.S. are all to do with the fancy GFX side
>> > > > of things in my opinion, but I would like MS to drop this
>> > > > multiple versions nonsense and have one o.s. that we ALL USE
>> > > > and can all get the help and support in one place!
>> > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure
>> > > Usenet
>> > News==----
>> > > [url]http://www.newsfeeds.com[/url] The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
>> > > 120,000+
>> > Newsgroups
>> > > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via
>> > > Encryption
>> > =----[/color][/color]
>[/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> Perhaps you would like to tell us why you are using an OS which does not
> appear to cater for all of your hardware.. you seem to be quick enough
> off of the mark to tell those who have Vista hardware driver issues to
> go back to XP or move over to Linux (Ubuntu specifically)..
>
> You made a remark about a winmodem of yours not running in Ubuntu, and
> somebody gave you information about how to get it to work.. is that not
> what we are doing here?
>
> I wouldn't dream of going into the Ubuntu forum and telling somebody to
> change to Vista or XP just because they couldn't find a driver for a
> modem immediately, but you seem to have no problem doing the reverse..
>
> So have you Googled for the modem driver yet?
>
> [url]http://linmodems.org/[/url]
>
> [url]http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-2.html[/url]
>
> Interestingly, there is a short statement re lack of Linux drivers for
> some modems in the second link.. now where have we heard 'There are no
> drivers available presently" before?
>
> Maybe the answer is to change the modem.. OMG, the humanity.. how could
> Linux do this to us.. oh no.. they give us a free OS and then expect us
> to pay $5 for a modem that works!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> (space reserved for ad hominem attacks)[/color]

Please stay on topic. Thank you.

Alias, who has a working modem.[color=blue]
>
>
>
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
> news:O%23ULzVtbHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "The only "help" *anyone* on this group needs is to learn to show some
>>> wisdom, patience and prudence and wait on Vista until it's ready for
>>> prime time. The only exception would be hobbyists and repair techs."
>>>
>>> Your words, btw..[/color]
>>
>> And my opinion. I am entitled to have an opinion, aren't I?
>>
>> so all of the people with hardware and software that[color=darkred]
>>> doesn't have issues if run with Vista should wait because you say so?[/color]
>>
>> Only if they value my opinion.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Do you think that my OEM Nero 6 would be any more compatible if I
>>> were to wait for Vista primetime? Other than waiting for nVidia to
>>> get their act together and produce a full driver version, my system
>>> would work no better in six months than it does now.. I don't have
>>> any bad hardware issues, and I am not alone..[/color]
>>
>> Vista will be updated. nVidia, et al, will get their act together. MS
>> might even fix UAC, etc. You are one of the exceptions, a hobbyist and
>> perhaps a repair tech.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On the subject of hardware issues, have you found winmodem drivers
>>> for your Ubuntu yet? try Google..[/color]
>>
>> Not relevant and merely a lame attempt on your part to throw a straw
>> man out there combined with an ad hominem.
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
>>> news:OhjD5msbHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>> So you want to determine what others should do,
>>>>
>>>> Where did I say that?
>>>>
>>>>> and I am the one trying to fool people? too **** funny..
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you are and it isn't funny but pathetic.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uM$v9JnbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take a look here.. [url]http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73[/url]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A decent bunch of people in that forum.. some are doing what I
>>>>>>> and others do here.. strangely, I don't see your counterparts in
>>>>>>> there.. the people helping are not harried like we are in here..
>>>>>>> there is decency shown.. take a leaf out of their book..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You wouldn't have a chance of learning from that forum if you had
>>>>>>> people like yourself trying to disrupt it.. you take advantage of
>>>>>>> the fact that we have to be professional in our approach, despite
>>>>>>> daily goading by the likes of you and others.. you take advantage
>>>>>>> of the fact that 99.99% of all posts appear, only in absolute
>>>>>>> worst cases anything being pulled from public view..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show some decency to people with problems they wish solved and to
>>>>>>> those who come here to offer that help.. the same kind as is
>>>>>>> afforded Ubuntu users in their forum..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, so now you're going to play the holier than thou victim card,
>>>>>> eh. Who do you think you're fooling?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only "help" *anyone* on this group needs is to learn to show
>>>>>> some wisdom, patience and prudence and wait on Vista until it's
>>>>>> ready for prime time. The only exception would be hobbyists and
>>>>>> repair techs. A basher would say "never", not wait and see how
>>>>>> Vista plays out, same for a troll. I've invested a lot my time in
>>>>>> Windows and if you don't think that gives me the right to express
>>>>>> my opinion, I feel sorry for you. If you would read the other MS
>>>>>> newsgroups, you would see I try to help people all the time. I
>>>>>> even recommend installing IE7 now and have installed it myself
>>>>>> myself, although I still use Fire Fox unless I am compelled to use
>>>>>> IE ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eu3kcl$q6n$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu forum..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't think you had the balls. You have to pick on a beginner
>>>>>>>> like me because you know you will get slaughtered on the Ubuntu
>>>>>>>> newsgroup.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you
>>>>>>>>>>> explain to me that Unix and Linux are not many parts,
>>>>>>>>>>> authored by many people, essentially all flying in loose
>>>>>>>>>>> formation.. start any time you like.. I have time.. :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you
>>>>>>>>>> were soundly refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I
>>>>>>>>>> will not play your straw man game, sorry. If you have a
>>>>>>>>>> question about Ubuntu, please post your query at
>>>>>>>>>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I doubt very seriously that you
>>>>>>>>>> have the balls to do so. You can start anytime you like.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Linux, constantly being added to and patched?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just like all of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than XP did on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware.. it is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been endlessly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bloat. As
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much due to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the push to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complexity of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will react in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new era where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so convoluted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now weights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect the next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tinkering,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]