Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and Linux,
> constantly being added to and patched?[/color]

You really love being a straw man, don't you?

Alias[color=blue]
>
>
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all
>>> of the
>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than XP
>>> did on
>>> its release..
>>>
>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
>>> simple..[/color]
>>
>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>
>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been endlessly
>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The result
>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat. As
>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due to
>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices that
>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push to
>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>
>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity of the
>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will react in
>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era where
>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so convoluted
>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up with a
>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to impossible.
>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now weights
>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>
>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the next
>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years back.
>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things together.
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you explain to me
that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by many people, essentially
all flying in loose formation.. start any time you like.. I have time.. :)




"Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and Linux,
>> constantly being added to and patched?[/color]
>
> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>
> Alias[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all of
>>>> the
>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than XP
>>>> did on
>>>> its release..
>>>>
>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
>>>> simple..
>>>
>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>
>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been endlessly
>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The result
>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat. As
>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due to
>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices that
>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push to
>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>
>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity of the
>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will react in
>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era where
>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so convoluted
>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up with a
>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to impossible.
>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now weights
>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>
>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the next
>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years back.
>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things together.
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you explain to me
> that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by many people,
> essentially all flying in loose formation.. start any time you like.. I
> have time.. :)[/color]

I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were soundly
refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will not play your
straw man game, sorry. If you have a question about Ubuntu, please post
your query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I doubt very seriously that
you have the balls to do so. You can start anytime you like.

Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.[color=blue]
>
>
>
>
> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and
>>> Linux, constantly being added to and patched?[/color]
>>
>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like
>>>>> all of the
>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than
>>>>> XP did on
>>>>> its release..
>>>>>
>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
>>>>> simple..
>>>>
>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>
>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been endlessly
>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The result
>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat. As
>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due to
>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices that
>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push to
>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>
>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity of the
>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will react in
>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era where
>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so convoluted
>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up with a
>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to impossible.
>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now weights
>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>
>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the next
>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years back.
>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

Alias

I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official Ubuntu forum..


"Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you explain to me
>> that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by many people,
>> essentially all flying in loose formation.. start any time you like.. I
>> have time.. :)[/color]
>
> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were soundly
> refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will not play your straw
> man game, sorry. If you have a question about Ubuntu, please post your
> query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I doubt very seriously that you
> have the balls to do so. You can start anytime you like.
>
> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.[color=green]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and Linux,
>>>> constantly being added to and patched?
>>>
>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than XP
>>>>>> did on
>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>
>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>
>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been endlessly
>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The result
>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat. As
>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due to
>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices that
>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push to
>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>
>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity of the
>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will react in
>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era where
>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so convoluted
>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up with a
>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to impossible.
>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now weights
>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>
>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the next
>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years back.
>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things together.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Mike Hall, a Microsoft MVP wrote:

"Live with it, or say nothing."

Wow, I've been feeling for a long time that there is an increasingly
conformist, even totalitarian spirit afoot in the Microsoft world, and Mike
Hall brings it right out.

According to Hall and some others who post here, no one is supposed to
dissent from anything Microsoft does, not matter how bad it is. Everyone is
just supposed to bow down like the North Koreans before the picture of their
Dear Leader thanking him for his great beneficence.





"Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23$%23AJChbHHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Alias
>
> It is way more capable.. live with it, or say nothing..
>
> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eu33hh$kic$1@aioe.org...[color=green]
> > Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all of
> >> the others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than[/color][/color][/color]
XP[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> did on its release..
> >>
> >> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
> >> simple..[/color]
> >
> > "Capable"? You mean more resource hungry, not more capable.
> >
> > Alias[color=darkred]
> >>
> >>
> >> "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1******.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ONwSnxebHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>> Valid points. It seems to me that there is a lot of truth in the[/color][/color][/color]
Rumors[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>> that Vista
> >>> was designed to help sell more hardware. Totally flying in the face of
> >>> the new
> >>> lower priced PC's being made by the bigger hardware vendors. I suspect
> >>> Dell
> >>> is happily selling these cheap systems knowing full well that they[/color][/color][/color]
will[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>> end up
> >>> selling expensive upgrades on every one.
> >>>
> >>> I am sad, and a bit surprised by the number of people I see saying[/color][/color][/color]
"But[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>> Vista
> >>> is newer, so it should be faster, right?" I can only look at them in
> >>> disbelief. MS
> >>> really sold people on this idea, but they were banking on most people
> >>> buying
> >>> higher end systems, which would mask the performance problems in[/color][/color][/color]
Vista.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>>
> >>> The only WOW I've heard from people is "Wow, this is really going to
> >>> cost me
> >>> a lot of money, isn't it?"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
> >>> news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
> >>>> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work at
> >>>> different places that have recently purchased new Dell Computer
> >>>> Equipment. A few small business's and some home users, so it's been a
> >>>> combinations of Vista Business and Home Edition.
> >>>>
> >>>> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell considers to[/color][/color][/color]
be[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>>> an acceptable platform for the Vista operating system.
> >>>>
> >>>> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use, though I[/color][/color][/color]
have[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>>> to say it would be fine for Windows XP.
> >>>>
> >>>> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
> >>>> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these users
> >>>> and certainly no WOW factor!
> >>>>
> >>>> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any better[/color][/color][/color]
but[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>>> they all said the same thing... Why is the new computer running so
> >>>> slow? Surely it should be really fast with the new vista on it?
> >>>>
> >>>> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of ram,
> >>>> and I find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell them that in
> >>>> future, they should ask advice before just buying something cheap.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS
> >>>> about computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the good
> >>>> thing is that independent computer builders now have a chance of[/color][/color][/color]
making[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>>> good spec pc's that will work better for the end user!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>[/color][/color]
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]
>
>
>[/color]

Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> Alias
>
> I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official Ubuntu forum..[/color]

I didn't think you had the balls. You have to pick on a beginner like me
because you know you will get slaughtered on the Ubuntu newsgroup.

Alias[color=blue]
>
>
> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you explain to
>>> me that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by many people,
>>> essentially all flying in loose formation.. start any time you like..
>>> I have time.. :)[/color]
>>
>> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were
>> soundly refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will not play
>> your straw man game, sorry. If you have a question about Ubuntu,
>> please post your query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I doubt very
>> seriously that you have the balls to do so. You can start anytime you
>> like.
>>
>> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and
>>>>> Linux, constantly being added to and patched?
>>>>
>>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like
>>>>>>> all of the
>>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than
>>>>>>> XP did on
>>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been endlessly
>>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The result
>>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat. As
>>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due to
>>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push to
>>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will react in
>>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so
>>>>>> convoluted
>>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up with a
>>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to impossible.
>>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now weights
>>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the next
>>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years back.
>>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

Larry

We dissent about things in the right places..


"Larry" <larry328NOSPAM@att.net> wrote in message
news:%23MIGrJjbHHA.4176@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall, a Microsoft MVP wrote:
>
> "Live with it, or say nothing."
>
> Wow, I've been feeling for a long time that there is an increasingly
> conformist, even totalitarian spirit afoot in the Microsoft world, and
> Mike
> Hall brings it right out.
>
> According to Hall and some others who post here, no one is supposed to
> dissent from anything Microsoft does, not matter how bad it is. Everyone
> is
> just supposed to bow down like the North Koreans before the picture of
> their
> Dear Leader thanking him for his great beneficence.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23$%23AJChbHHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Alias
>>
>> It is way more capable.. live with it, or say nothing..
>>
>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:eu33hh$kic$1@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>> > Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>> >> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all
>> >> of
>> >> the others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than[/color][/color]
> XP[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >> did on its release..
>> >>
>> >> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
>> >> simple..
>> >
>> > "Capable"? You mean more resource hungry, not more capable.
>> >
>> > Alias
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1******.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:ONwSnxebHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >>> Valid points. It seems to me that there is a lot of truth in the[/color][/color]
> Rumors[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>> that Vista
>> >>> was designed to help sell more hardware. Totally flying in the face
>> >>> of
>> >>> the new
>> >>> lower priced PC's being made by the bigger hardware vendors. I
>> >>> suspect
>> >>> Dell
>> >>> is happily selling these cheap systems knowing full well that they[/color][/color]
> will[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>> end up
>> >>> selling expensive upgrades on every one.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am sad, and a bit surprised by the number of people I see saying[/color][/color]
> "But[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>> Vista
>> >>> is newer, so it should be faster, right?" I can only look at them in
>> >>> disbelief. MS
>> >>> really sold people on this idea, but they were banking on most people
>> >>> buying
>> >>> higher end systems, which would mask the performance problems in[/color][/color]
> Vista.[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>>
>> >>> The only WOW I've heard from people is "Wow, this is really going to
>> >>> cost me
>> >>> a lot of money, isn't it?"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
>> >>> news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
>> >>>> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work at
>> >>>> different places that have recently purchased new Dell Computer
>> >>>> Equipment. A few small business's and some home users, so it's been
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> combinations of Vista Business and Home Edition.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell considers to[/color][/color]
> be[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>>> an acceptable platform for the Vista operating system.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use, though I[/color][/color]
> have[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>>> to say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
>> >>>> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these
>> >>>> users
>> >>>> and certainly no WOW factor!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any better[/color][/color]
> but[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>>> they all said the same thing... Why is the new computer running so
>> >>>> slow? Surely it should be really fast with the new vista on it?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of ram,
>> >>>> and I find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell them that in
>> >>>> future, they should ask advice before just buying something cheap.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS
>> >>>> about computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the
>> >>>> good
>> >>>> thing is that independent computer builders now have a chance of[/color][/color]
> making[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>>> good spec pc's that will work better for the end user!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>[/color]
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Mike Hall
>> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
>> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Still spammung the newsgroups I see SFB (hint: FB is For Brains).
"Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:eu3hct$jnt$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> You posted it for all to see right here in this newsgroup.. I guess that
>> you forgot to remove the ms groups before you hit send.. it gave me a
>> laugh anyway..[/color]
>
> Not true but I guess you have to lie about your lie being as you can't
> refute the issues raised.
>
> Alias[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:eu3e3r$bbj$3@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> I don't stalk.. you posted your question right here in this newsgroup..
>>>> did you think that you were only posting to Linux advocacy?
>>>
>>> More lies. I posted that in an Ubuntu newsgroup. You went there to seek
>>> me out, being as you didn't post one single post there.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:eu3aog$4l4$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>> MS One Care is an option.. I don't and wouldn't use it anymore than I
>>>>>> want or use Sympatico's firewall and av option.. it is a user
>>>>>> choice..
>>>>>
>>>>> Also true with XP.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a user wants top performance, it always costs, regardless of
>>>>>> product type.. it is a user choice..
>>>>>
>>>>> Also true with XP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DRM does not affect me, as I choose not to play files that are
>>>>>> affected.. it is a user choice..
>>>>>
>>>>> We know you kiss Big Brother's arse. Tell us something we don't
>>>>> already know.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> UAC can be left running or turned off.. it is a user choice..
>>>>>
>>>>> But it's enabled by default and, whether it's disabled or enabled, it
>>>>> doesn't protect the user one iota.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people have only to call an automated service in the event.. I
>>>>>> have just one time..
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, pull the other one, Mike, it has bells on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fast PC + fast connection.. yes, web surfing is faster and a better
>>>>>> experience all around.. both are user choices..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also true with XP.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it send e-mail quicker? lolololololol.. you really are having to
>>>>>> dig now.. too funny..
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that a "no"?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Graphics, looks, memory management, better and more accomplished base
>>>>>> for the future..
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure. That's what MS said about Windows Me.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias, I choose to help people with their MS problems.. MY choice..
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't seen you do more than arse kiss MS with your "help".
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I noticed you asking a Linux user about maintenance schedules a
>>>>>> couple of weeks back.. do you know what to do now?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't help yourself, eh, stalking me over on the Ubuntu group? Yeah,
>>>>> nothing needs to be done, unlike Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eu36id$r6r$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is way more capable.. live with it, or say nothing..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL! Capable of what, having One Care flag MS product files? Of
>>>>>>> emptying your pockets to buy Vista and Ninja hardware? Of making
>>>>>>> sure you don't play DRM protected media files? Of driving you crazy
>>>>>>> with UAC? Of forcing you to call and grovel to some operator in
>>>>>>> India every time you update the BIOS, hardware or a driver?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does it surf the web faster? No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does it send email quicker? No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What, exactly makes Vista more capable than Ubuntu or XP?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias, not expecting an answer other than to be called a troll or
>>>>>>> otherwise insulted, the SOP when an MS fan boy is called to the
>>>>>>> floor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eu33hh$kic$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like
>>>>>>>>>> all of the others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers
>>>>>>>>>> no more than XP did on its release..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is
>>>>>>>>>> that simple..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Capable"? You mean more resource hungry, not more capable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:ONwSnxebHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> Valid points. It seems to me that there is a lot of truth in the
>>>>>>>>>>> Rumors that Vista
>>>>>>>>>>> was designed to help sell more hardware. Totally flying in the
>>>>>>>>>>> face of the new
>>>>>>>>>>> lower priced PC's being made by the bigger hardware vendors. I
>>>>>>>>>>> suspect Dell
>>>>>>>>>>> is happily selling these cheap systems knowing full well that
>>>>>>>>>>> they will end up
>>>>>>>>>>> selling expensive upgrades on every one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am sad, and a bit surprised by the number of people I see
>>>>>>>>>>> saying "But Vista
>>>>>>>>>>> is newer, so it should be faster, right?" I can only look at
>>>>>>>>>>> them in disbelief. MS
>>>>>>>>>>> really sold people on this idea, but they were banking on most
>>>>>>>>>>> people buying
>>>>>>>>>>> higher end systems, which would mask the performance problems in
>>>>>>>>>>> Vista.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The only WOW I've heard from people is "Wow, this is really
>>>>>>>>>>> going to cost me
>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of money, isn't it?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work
>>>>>>>>>>>> at different places that have recently purchased new Dell
>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Equipment. A few small business's and some home users,
>>>>>>>>>>>> so it's been a combinations of Vista Business and Home Edition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell
>>>>>>>>>>>> considers to be an acceptable platform for the Vista operating
>>>>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use,
>>>>>>>>>>>> though I have to say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
>>>>>>>>>>>> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these
>>>>>>>>>>>> users and certainly no WOW factor!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any
>>>>>>>>>>>> better but they all said the same thing... Why is the new
>>>>>>>>>>>> computer running so slow? Surely it should be really fast with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the new vista on it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of
>>>>>>>>>>>> ram, and I find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> them that in future, they should ask advice before just buying
>>>>>>>>>>>> something cheap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it
>>>>>>>>>>>> KNOWS about computers, they should hang their heads in shame..
>>>>>>>>>>>> but the good thing is that independent computer builders now
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a chance of making good spec pc's that will work better
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the end user!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

What is your other choice?
"Larry" <larry328NOSPAM@att.net> wrote in message
news:%23MIGrJjbHHA.4176@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall, a Microsoft MVP wrote:
>
> "Live with it, or say nothing."
>
> Wow, I've been feeling for a long time that there is an increasingly
> conformist, even totalitarian spirit afoot in the Microsoft world, and
> Mike
> Hall brings it right out.
>
> According to Hall and some others who post here, no one is supposed to
> dissent from anything Microsoft does, not matter how bad it is. Everyone
> is
> just supposed to bow down like the North Koreans before the picture of
> their
> Dear Leader thanking him for his great beneficence.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23$%23AJChbHHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Alias
>>
>> It is way more capable.. live with it, or say nothing..
>>
>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:eu33hh$kic$1@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>> > Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>> >> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all
>> >> of
>> >> the others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than[/color][/color]
> XP[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >> did on its release..
>> >>
>> >> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
>> >> simple..
>> >
>> > "Capable"? You mean more resource hungry, not more capable.
>> >
>> > Alias
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1******.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:ONwSnxebHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >>> Valid points. It seems to me that there is a lot of truth in the[/color][/color]
> Rumors[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>> that Vista
>> >>> was designed to help sell more hardware. Totally flying in the face
>> >>> of
>> >>> the new
>> >>> lower priced PC's being made by the bigger hardware vendors. I
>> >>> suspect
>> >>> Dell
>> >>> is happily selling these cheap systems knowing full well that they[/color][/color]
> will[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>> end up
>> >>> selling expensive upgrades on every one.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am sad, and a bit surprised by the number of people I see saying[/color][/color]
> "But[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>> Vista
>> >>> is newer, so it should be faster, right?" I can only look at them in
>> >>> disbelief. MS
>> >>> really sold people on this idea, but they were banking on most people
>> >>> buying
>> >>> higher end systems, which would mask the performance problems in[/color][/color]
> Vista.[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>>
>> >>> The only WOW I've heard from people is "Wow, this is really going to
>> >>> cost me
>> >>> a lot of money, isn't it?"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
>> >>> news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
>> >>>> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work at
>> >>>> different places that have recently purchased new Dell Computer
>> >>>> Equipment. A few small business's and some home users, so it's been
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> combinations of Vista Business and Home Edition.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell considers to[/color][/color]
> be[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>>> an acceptable platform for the Vista operating system.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use, though I[/color][/color]
> have[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>>> to say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
>> >>>> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these
>> >>>> users
>> >>>> and certainly no WOW factor!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any better[/color][/color]
> but[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>>> they all said the same thing... Why is the new computer running so
>> >>>> slow? Surely it should be really fast with the new vista on it?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of ram,
>> >>>> and I find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell them that in
>> >>>> future, they should ask advice before just buying something cheap.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS
>> >>>> about computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the
>> >>>> good
>> >>>> thing is that independent computer builders now have a chance of[/color][/color]
> making[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>>> good spec pc's that will work better for the end user!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>[/color]
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Mike Hall
>> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
>> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Alias

Take a look here.. [url]http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73[/url]

A decent bunch of people in that forum.. some are doing what I and others do
here.. strangely, I don't see your counterparts in there.. the people
helping are not harried like we are in here.. there is decency shown.. take
a leaf out of their book..

You wouldn't have a chance of learning from that forum if you had people
like yourself trying to disrupt it.. you take advantage of the fact that we
have to be professional in our approach, despite daily goading by the likes
of you and others.. you take advantage of the fact that 99.99% of all posts
appear, only in absolute worst cases anything being pulled from public
view..

Show some decency to people with problems they wish solved and to those who
come here to offer that help.. the same kind as is afforded Ubuntu users in
their forum..




"Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:eu3kcl$q6n$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> Alias
>>
>> I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official Ubuntu forum..[/color]
>
> I didn't think you had the balls. You have to pick on a beginner like me
> because you know you will get slaughtered on the Ubuntu newsgroup.
>
> Alias[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you explain to
>>>> me that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by many people,
>>>> essentially all flying in loose formation.. start any time you like.. I
>>>> have time.. :)
>>>
>>> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were soundly
>>> refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will not play your
>>> straw man game, sorry. If you have a question about Ubuntu, please post
>>> your query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I doubt very seriously that
>>> you have the balls to do so. You can start anytime you like.
>>>
>>> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and
>>>>>> Linux, constantly being added to and patched?
>>>>>
>>>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like
>>>>>>>> all of the
>>>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than
>>>>>>>> XP did on
>>>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been
>>>>>>> endlessly
>>>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The
>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat. As
>>>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due to
>>>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push to
>>>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will react
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so
>>>>>>> convoluted
>>>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up with
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to impossible.
>>>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now
>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the next
>>>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>>>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years back.
>>>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things
>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Due to his emotional problem Alias is not capable of showing respect.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User


"Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:u5CdjfjbHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Alias
>
> Take a look here.. [url]http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73[/url]
>
> A decent bunch of people in that forum.. some are doing what I and others
> do here.. strangely, I don't see your counterparts in there.. the people
> helping are not harried like we are in here.. there is decency shown..
> take a leaf out of their book..
>
> You wouldn't have a chance of learning from that forum if you had people
> like yourself trying to disrupt it.. you take advantage of the fact that
> we have to be professional in our approach, despite daily goading by the
> likes of you and others.. you take advantage of the fact that 99.99% of
> all posts appear, only in absolute worst cases anything being pulled from
> public view..
>
> Show some decency to people with problems they wish solved and to those
> who come here to offer that help.. the same kind as is afforded Ubuntu
> users in their forum..
>
>
>
>
> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eu3kcl$q6n$1@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Alias
>>>
>>> I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official Ubuntu
>>> forum..[/color]
>>
>> I didn't think you had the balls. You have to pick on a beginner like me
>> because you know you will get slaughtered on the Ubuntu newsgroup.
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you explain to
>>>>> me that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by many people,
>>>>> essentially all flying in loose formation.. start any time you like..
>>>>> I have time.. :)
>>>>
>>>> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were soundly
>>>> refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will not play your
>>>> straw man game, sorry. If you have a question about Ubuntu, please post
>>>> your query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I doubt very seriously that
>>>> you have the balls to do so. You can start anytime you like.
>>>>
>>>> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and
>>>>>>> Linux, constantly being added to and patched?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like
>>>>>>>>> all of the
>>>>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than
>>>>>>>>> XP did on
>>>>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been
>>>>>>>> endlessly
>>>>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The
>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat. As
>>>>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due to
>>>>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will react
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so
>>>>>>>> convoluted
>>>>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up with
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to impossible.
>>>>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now
>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the
>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>>>>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years back.
>>>>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>>>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things
>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]
>
>
>[/color]

It would appear that way..


"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
news:eYOfbojbHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Due to his emotional problem Alias is not capable of showing respect.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban MVP
> Microsoft Windows Shell/User
>
>
> "Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:u5CdjfjbHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Alias
>>
>> Take a look here.. [url]http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73[/url]
>>
>> A decent bunch of people in that forum.. some are doing what I and others
>> do here.. strangely, I don't see your counterparts in there.. the people
>> helping are not harried like we are in here.. there is decency shown..
>> take a leaf out of their book..
>>
>> You wouldn't have a chance of learning from that forum if you had people
>> like yourself trying to disrupt it.. you take advantage of the fact that
>> we have to be professional in our approach, despite daily goading by the
>> likes of you and others.. you take advantage of the fact that 99.99% of
>> all posts appear, only in absolute worst cases anything being pulled from
>> public view..
>>
>> Show some decency to people with problems they wish solved and to those
>> who come here to offer that help.. the same kind as is afforded Ubuntu
>> users in their forum..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:eu3kcl$q6n$1@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> I don't use Ubuntu but, if I did, would go to the official Ubuntu
>>>> forum..
>>>
>>> I didn't think you had the balls. You have to pick on a beginner like me
>>> because you know you will get slaughtered on the Ubuntu newsgroup.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:eu3j42$nje$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>> You want to join in this one too? I can't wait to hear you explain to
>>>>>> me that Unix and Linux are not many parts, authored by many people,
>>>>>> essentially all flying in loose formation.. start any time you like..
>>>>>> I have time.. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I can see how you want to change the subject, being as you were
>>>>> soundly refuted with MS lying about minimum specs, but I will not play
>>>>> your straw man game, sorry. If you have a question about Ubuntu,
>>>>> please post your query at alt.os.linux.ubuntu, although I doubt very
>>>>> seriously that you have the balls to do so. You can start anytime you
>>>>> like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias, expecting Mike to insult me and all alt. newsgroups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eu3hgm$jnt$3@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and
>>>>>>>> Linux, constantly being added to and patched?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You really love being a straw man, don't you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
>>>>>>>>> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like
>>>>>>>>>> all of the
>>>>>>>>>> others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than
>>>>>>>>>> XP did on
>>>>>>>>>> its release..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been
>>>>>>>>> endlessly
>>>>>>>>> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The
>>>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>>> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat.
>>>>>>>>> As
>>>>>>>>> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will react
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era
>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so
>>>>>>>>> convoluted
>>>>>>>>> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up
>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to
>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now
>>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>>> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the
>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
>>>>>>>>> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years back.
>>>>>>>>> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
>>>>>>>>> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things
>>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>[/color]
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Mike Hall
>> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
>> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

I have a friend who wanted to get a new laptop in October. I convinced him
to wait till Vista came out and was available from the major manufacturers.

In mid February my friend was ready to act. He sent me links to a couple of
Dell Computers, supposedly set up for Vista. The one my friend really wanted
had a 17 inch LCD screen and cost about $2400. I was flabbergasted!

I found him a Toshiba with the same size screen, a faster processor, a
larger hard drive and more RAM in, of all places, Best Buy. It's cost?
$1499.

I looked at what you could get for the same price at Dell's web site. It was
pathetic. They should be ashamed of themselves. If they sent it to me for
testing I would have sold it to someone to use for Windows XP.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User


"Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work at different
>places that have recently purchased new Dell Computer Equipment. A few
>small business's and some home users, so it's been a combinations of Vista
>Business and Home Edition.
>
> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell considers to be an
> acceptable platform for the Vista operating system.
>
> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use, though I have to
> say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>
> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these users and
> certainly no WOW factor!
>
> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any better but
> they all said the same thing... Why is the new computer running so slow?
> Surely it should be really fast with the new vista on it?
>
> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of ram, and I
> find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell them that in future,
> they should ask advice before just buying something cheap.
>
> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS about
> computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the good thing is
> that independent computer builders now have a chance of making good spec
> pc's that will work better for the end user!
>
>[/color]

If serious problems with Microsoft products cannot be discussed in a
Microsoft newsgroup, then, uh, where can they be discussed?

The attitude in the Microsoft newsgroups is "Don't complain, these groups
only exist to help people, complaining serves no purpose and is a waste of
time." I don't agree. If there are things wrong with software, things that
ought to be changed, the more awareness that is created about these problems
the more likely it is that Microsoft will do something about them.

In any case we are human beings dealing with a huge company that does things
we have no power over but that have a big effect on our lives, like having
to start over at a kindergarten level on software that one has been using
very competently for years. It is legitimate, and it is helpful, for people
to be able to let off steam about this.

Larry



"Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:esrXcSjbHHA.4616@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Larry
>
> We dissent about things in the right places..
>
>
> "Larry" <larry328NOSPAM@att.net> wrote in message
> news:%23MIGrJjbHHA.4176@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Mike Hall, a Microsoft MVP wrote:
> >
> > "Live with it, or say nothing."
> >
> > Wow, I've been feeling for a long time that there is an increasingly
> > conformist, even totalitarian spirit afoot in the Microsoft world, and
> > Mike
> > Hall brings it right out.
> >
> > According to Hall and some others who post here, no one is supposed to
> > dissent from anything Microsoft does, not matter how bad it is.[/color][/color]
Everyone[color=blue][color=green]
> > is
> > just supposed to bow down like the North Koreans before the picture of
> > their
> > Dear Leader thanking him for his great beneficence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:%23$%23AJChbHHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> >> Alias
> >>
> >> It is way more capable.. live with it, or say nothing..
> >>
> >> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> >> news:eu33hh$kic$1@aioe.org...
> >> > Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
> >> >> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all
> >> >> of
> >> >> the others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more[/color][/color][/color]
than[color=blue][color=green]
> > XP[color=darkred]
> >> >> did on its release..
> >> >>
> >> >> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is[/color][/color][/color]
that[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >> simple..
> >> >
> >> > "Capable"? You mean more resource hungry, not more capable.
> >> >
> >> > Alias[/color][/color][/color]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:27:41 +0000, Gordon Keenan wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work at different
> places that have recently purchased new Dell Computer Equipment. A few small
> business's and some home users, so it's been a combinations of Vista
> Business and Home Edition.
>
> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell considers to be an
> acceptable platform for the Vista operating system.
>
> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use, though I have to
> say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>
> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these users and
> certainly no WOW factor!
>
> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any better but they
> all said the same thing... Why is the new computer running so slow? Surely
> it should be really fast with the new vista on it?
>
> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of ram, and I
> find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell them that in future, they
> should ask advice before just buying something cheap.
>
> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS about
> computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the good thing is
> that independent computer builders now have a chance of making good spec
> pc's that will work better for the end user![/color]

Sounds like they'd run Linux quite nicely.