"Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
[color=blue]
> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any better but
> they all said the same thing... Why is the new computer running so slow?
> Surely it should be really fast with the new vista on it?[/color]

I suggest they hire me to advise on computer purchases in the future. <g> I
promise I won't equip the whole company with super-high-end gaming machines
ready for when all the workers want to play Crysis. 8-)
[color=blue]
> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS about
> computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the good thing is
> that independent computer builders now have a chance of making good spec
> pc's that will work better for the end user![/color]

It is disgusting seeing these ultra-cheap ultra-low powered machines being
sold. You just know that who ever buys those machines is going to have
problems and is going to hate the experience.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
[url]http://www.windowsresource.net/[/url]

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MS One Care is an option.. I don't and wouldn't use it anymore than I want
or use Sympatico's firewall and av option.. it is a user choice..

If a user wants top performance, it always costs, regardless of product
type.. it is a user choice..

DRM does not affect me, as I choose not to play files that are affected..
it is a user choice..

UAC can be left running or turned off.. it is a user choice..

Most people have only to call an automated service in the event.. I have
just one time..

Fast PC + fast connection.. yes, web surfing is faster and a better
experience all around.. both are user choices..

Does it send e-mail quicker? lolololololol.. you really are having to dig
now.. too funny..

Graphics, looks, memory management, better and more accomplished base for
the future..

Alias, I choose to help people with their MS problems.. MY choice..

BTW, I noticed you asking a Linux user about maintenance schedules a couple
of weeks back.. do you know what to do now?

"Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:eu36id$r6r$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> Alias
>>
>> It is way more capable.. live with it, or say nothing..[/color]
>
> LOL! Capable of what, having One Care flag MS product files? Of emptying
> your pockets to buy Vista and Ninja hardware? Of making sure you don't
> play DRM protected media files? Of driving you crazy with UAC? Of forcing
> you to call and grovel to some operator in India every time you update the
> BIOS, hardware or a driver?
>
> Does it surf the web faster? No.
>
> Does it send email quicker? No.
>
> What, exactly makes Vista more capable than Ubuntu or XP?
>
> Alias, not expecting an answer other than to be called a troll or
> otherwise insulted, the SOP when an MS fan boy is called to the floor.
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:eu33hh$kic$1@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all of
>>>> the others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than
>>>> XP did on its release..
>>>>
>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
>>>> simple..
>>>
>>> "Capable"? You mean more resource hungry, not more capable.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1******.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ONwSnxebHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Valid points. It seems to me that there is a lot of truth in the
>>>>> Rumors that Vista
>>>>> was designed to help sell more hardware. Totally flying in the face of
>>>>> the new
>>>>> lower priced PC's being made by the bigger hardware vendors. I suspect
>>>>> Dell
>>>>> is happily selling these cheap systems knowing full well that they
>>>>> will end up
>>>>> selling expensive upgrades on every one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sad, and a bit surprised by the number of people I see saying
>>>>> "But Vista
>>>>> is newer, so it should be faster, right?" I can only look at them in
>>>>> disbelief. MS
>>>>> really sold people on this idea, but they were banking on most people
>>>>> buying
>>>>> higher end systems, which would mask the performance problems in
>>>>> Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only WOW I've heard from people is "Wow, this is really going to
>>>>> cost me
>>>>> a lot of money, isn't it?"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work at
>>>>>> different places that have recently purchased new Dell Computer
>>>>>> Equipment. A few small business's and some home users, so it's been a
>>>>>> combinations of Vista Business and Home Edition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell considers to
>>>>>> be an acceptable platform for the Vista operating system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use, though I
>>>>>> have to say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
>>>>>> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these users
>>>>>> and certainly no WOW factor!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any better
>>>>>> but they all said the same thing... Why is the new computer running
>>>>>> so slow? Surely it should be really fast with the new vista on it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of ram,
>>>>>> and I find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell them that in
>>>>>> future, they should ask advice before just buying something cheap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS
>>>>>> about computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the good
>>>>>> thing is that independent computer builders now have a chance of
>>>>>> making good spec pc's that will work better for the end user!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Mark

Vendors are responsible.. they purposely fit minimum RAM to keep the price
down.. one has only to look at the top model of any vendor to see what will
render best performance with any particular OS..

The argument they use is basically that of giving the purchaser a choice..

"Mark Bourne" <Mark@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:urdo9FhbHHA.4616@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Certainly is just like all the others. While I was at school, they
> upgraded all the machines from Windows 95 to 98, without upgrading the
> hardware. For starters, these machines had minimum memory for 95, so
> shouldn't even have been capable of running 98, having half the required
> memory, let alone recommended. They ended up painfully slow - sometimes
> taking several minutes just to log on (from entering username and password
> to being able to do anything - not counting boot time)
>
> Can installing Vista on underrated hardware be expected to be any
> different? I guess now people want the latest flashy software, but don't
> want to pay for the hardware to run it. We have an 8 year old Windows 98
> PC which still does its job. Doesn't need upgrading. Doesn't need a flashy
> new OS. I certainly wouldn't expect Vista to run on it though.
>
> Although I do agree that new computers sold with Vista should be capable
> of running it at a reasonable speed from the start, without requiring
> immediate upgrades or "optional" extras.
>
>
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all of
>> the others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than XP
>> did on its release..
>>
>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
>> simple..
>>
>>
>> "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1******.com> wrote in message
>> news:ONwSnxebHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Valid points. It seems to me that there is a lot of truth in the Rumors
>>> that Vista
>>> was designed to help sell more hardware. Totally flying in the face of
>>> the new
>>> lower priced PC's being made by the bigger hardware vendors. I suspect
>>> Dell
>>> is happily selling these cheap systems knowing full well that they will
>>> end up
>>> selling expensive upgrades on every one.
>>>
>>> I am sad, and a bit surprised by the number of people I see saying "But
>>> Vista
>>> is newer, so it should be faster, right?" I can only look at them in
>>> disbelief. MS
>>> really sold people on this idea, but they were banking on most people
>>> buying
>>> higher end systems, which would mask the performance problems in Vista.
>>>
>>> The only WOW I've heard from people is "Wow, this is really going to
>>> cost me
>>> a lot of money, isn't it?"
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
>>> news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
>>>> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work at
>>>> different places that have recently purchased new Dell Computer
>>>> Equipment. A few small business's and some home users, so it's been a
>>>> combinations of Vista Business and Home Edition.
>>>>
>>>> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell considers to be
>>>> an acceptable platform for the Vista operating system.
>>>>
>>>> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use, though I have
>>>> to say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>>>>
>>>> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
>>>> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these users
>>>> and certainly no WOW factor!
>>>>
>>>> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any better but
>>>> they all said the same thing... Why is the new computer running so
>>>> slow? Surely it should be really fast with the new vista on it?
>>>>
>>>> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of ram,
>>>> and I find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell them that in
>>>> future, they should ask advice before just buying something cheap.
>>>>
>>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS
>>>> about computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the good
>>>> thing is that independent computer builders now have a chance of making
>>>> good spec pc's that will work better for the end user!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Question still remains. What compelling thing does Vista do that XP does
not ?

Gordon Keenan wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eu36k2$r6r$2@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Gordon Keenan wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> The same can be said about Linux as well (heheh.. had to say that
>>> Alias) it's not end user nice in any way or form, and it's why the
>>> fanciness of Vista appeals to the masses...[/color]
>>
>> Have you tried Ubuntu 6.06?
>>
>> Alias[/color]
>
> Ok - Will download it and try.. Will report back on my LINUX-WOW
> experience!!!
>[/color]

Look forward to it. Once you have it installed, install this:

[url]http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/automatix2_1.1-2.4-6.06dapper_i386.deb[/url]

And you will have access to codecs, a Windows Media Player clone, Real
Player and other goodies.

Alias

Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> MS One Care is an option.. I don't and wouldn't use it anymore than I
> want or use Sympatico's firewall and av option.. it is a user choice..[/color]

Also true with XP.
[color=blue]
>
> If a user wants top performance, it always costs, regardless of product
> type.. it is a user choice..[/color]

Also true with XP.[color=blue]
>
> DRM does not affect me, as I choose not to play files that are
> affected.. it is a user choice..[/color]

We know you kiss Big Brother's arse. Tell us something we don't already
know.
[color=blue]
>
> UAC can be left running or turned off.. it is a user choice..[/color]

But it's enabled by default and, whether it's disabled or enabled, it
doesn't protect the user one iota.
[color=blue]
>
> Most people have only to call an automated service in the event.. I have
> just one time..[/color]

Sure, pull the other one, Mike, it has bells on it.
[color=blue]
>
> Fast PC + fast connection.. yes, web surfing is faster and a better
> experience all around.. both are user choices..[/color]


Also true with XP.
[color=blue]
> Does it send e-mail quicker? lolololololol.. you really are having to
> dig now.. too funny..[/color]

Is that a "no"?
[color=blue]
> Graphics, looks, memory management, better and more accomplished base
> for the future..[/color]

Sure. That's what MS said about Windows Me.
[color=blue]
>
> Alias, I choose to help people with their MS problems.. MY choice..[/color]

I haven't seen you do more than arse kiss MS with your "help".
[color=blue]
>
> BTW, I noticed you asking a Linux user about maintenance schedules a
> couple of weeks back.. do you know what to do now?[/color]

Can't help yourself, eh, stalking me over on the Ubuntu group? Yeah,
nothing needs to be done, unlike Windows.

Alias[color=blue]
>
> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eu36id$r6r$1@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Alias
>>>
>>> It is way more capable.. live with it, or say nothing..[/color]
>>
>> LOL! Capable of what, having One Care flag MS product files? Of
>> emptying your pockets to buy Vista and Ninja hardware? Of making sure
>> you don't play DRM protected media files? Of driving you crazy with
>> UAC? Of forcing you to call and grovel to some operator in India every
>> time you update the BIOS, hardware or a driver?
>>
>> Does it surf the web faster? No.
>>
>> Does it send email quicker? No.
>>
>> What, exactly makes Vista more capable than Ubuntu or XP?
>>
>> Alias, not expecting an answer other than to be called a troll or
>> otherwise insulted, the SOP when an MS fan boy is called to the floor.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:eu33hh$kic$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like
>>>>> all of the others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no
>>>>> more than XP did on its release..
>>>>>
>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is
>>>>> that simple..
>>>>
>>>> "Capable"? You mean more resource hungry, not more capable.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1******.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ONwSnxebHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Valid points. It seems to me that there is a lot of truth in the
>>>>>> Rumors that Vista
>>>>>> was designed to help sell more hardware. Totally flying in the
>>>>>> face of the new
>>>>>> lower priced PC's being made by the bigger hardware vendors. I
>>>>>> suspect Dell
>>>>>> is happily selling these cheap systems knowing full well that they
>>>>>> will end up
>>>>>> selling expensive upgrades on every one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sad, and a bit surprised by the number of people I see saying
>>>>>> "But Vista
>>>>>> is newer, so it should be faster, right?" I can only look at them
>>>>>> in disbelief. MS
>>>>>> really sold people on this idea, but they were banking on most
>>>>>> people buying
>>>>>> higher end systems, which would mask the performance problems in
>>>>>> Vista.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only WOW I've heard from people is "Wow, this is really going
>>>>>> to cost me
>>>>>> a lot of money, isn't it?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work at
>>>>>>> different places that have recently purchased new Dell Computer
>>>>>>> Equipment. A few small business's and some home users, so it's
>>>>>>> been a combinations of Vista Business and Home Edition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell considers
>>>>>>> to be an acceptable platform for the Vista operating system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use, though
>>>>>>> I have to say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
>>>>>>> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these
>>>>>>> users and certainly no WOW factor!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any
>>>>>>> better but they all said the same thing... Why is the new
>>>>>>> computer running so slow? Surely it should be really fast with
>>>>>>> the new vista on it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of
>>>>>>> ram, and I find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell them
>>>>>>> that in future, they should ask advice before just buying
>>>>>>> something cheap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it
>>>>>>> KNOWS about computers, they should hang their heads in shame..
>>>>>>> but the good thing is that independent computer builders now have
>>>>>>> a chance of making good spec pc's that will work better for the
>>>>>>> end user!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

That al depends on what a user sees as compelling.. a little subjective,
don't you think..

Take a look here..

[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/windowsvista/torres_duel.mspx[/url]

You are trying to make case where everybody should be happy with the lowest
form of anything.. in the free world, we like a choice..



"KingsHead" <AAA@AAA.NET> wrote in message
news:46052920$0$92340$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...[color=blue]
> Question still remains. What compelling thing does Vista do that XP does
> not ?[/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Alias

I don't stalk.. you posted your question right here in this newsgroup.. did
you think that you were only posting to Linux advocacy?


"Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:eu3aog$4l4$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> MS One Care is an option.. I don't and wouldn't use it anymore than I
>> want or use Sympatico's firewall and av option.. it is a user choice..[/color]
>
> Also true with XP.
>[color=green]
>>
>> If a user wants top performance, it always costs, regardless of product
>> type.. it is a user choice..[/color]
>
> Also true with XP.[color=green]
>>
>> DRM does not affect me, as I choose not to play files that are affected..
>> it is a user choice..[/color]
>
> We know you kiss Big Brother's arse. Tell us something we don't already
> know.
>[color=green]
>>
>> UAC can be left running or turned off.. it is a user choice..[/color]
>
> But it's enabled by default and, whether it's disabled or enabled, it
> doesn't protect the user one iota.
>[color=green]
>>
>> Most people have only to call an automated service in the event.. I have
>> just one time..[/color]
>
> Sure, pull the other one, Mike, it has bells on it.
>[color=green]
>>
>> Fast PC + fast connection.. yes, web surfing is faster and a better
>> experience all around.. both are user choices..[/color]
>
>
> Also true with XP.
>[color=green]
>> Does it send e-mail quicker? lolololololol.. you really are having to dig
>> now.. too funny..[/color]
>
> Is that a "no"?
>[color=green]
>> Graphics, looks, memory management, better and more accomplished base for
>> the future..[/color]
>
> Sure. That's what MS said about Windows Me.
>[color=green]
>>
>> Alias, I choose to help people with their MS problems.. MY choice..[/color]
>
> I haven't seen you do more than arse kiss MS with your "help".
>[color=green]
>>
>> BTW, I noticed you asking a Linux user about maintenance schedules a
>> couple of weeks back.. do you know what to do now?[/color]
>
> Can't help yourself, eh, stalking me over on the Ubuntu group? Yeah,
> nothing needs to be done, unlike Windows.
>
> Alias[color=green]
>>
>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:eu36id$r6r$1@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> It is way more capable.. live with it, or say nothing..
>>>
>>> LOL! Capable of what, having One Care flag MS product files? Of emptying
>>> your pockets to buy Vista and Ninja hardware? Of making sure you don't
>>> play DRM protected media files? Of driving you crazy with UAC? Of
>>> forcing you to call and grovel to some operator in India every time you
>>> update the BIOS, hardware or a driver?
>>>
>>> Does it surf the web faster? No.
>>>
>>> Does it send email quicker? No.
>>>
>>> What, exactly makes Vista more capable than Ubuntu or XP?
>>>
>>> Alias, not expecting an answer other than to be called a troll or
>>> otherwise insulted, the SOP when an MS fan boy is called to the floor.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:eu33hh$kic$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all
>>>>>> of the others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more
>>>>>> than XP did on its release..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
>>>>>> simple..
>>>>>
>>>>> "Capable"? You mean more resource hungry, not more capable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ONwSnxebHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Valid points. It seems to me that there is a lot of truth in the
>>>>>>> Rumors that Vista
>>>>>>> was designed to help sell more hardware. Totally flying in the face
>>>>>>> of the new
>>>>>>> lower priced PC's being made by the bigger hardware vendors. I
>>>>>>> suspect Dell
>>>>>>> is happily selling these cheap systems knowing full well that they
>>>>>>> will end up
>>>>>>> selling expensive upgrades on every one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am sad, and a bit surprised by the number of people I see saying
>>>>>>> "But Vista
>>>>>>> is newer, so it should be faster, right?" I can only look at them in
>>>>>>> disbelief. MS
>>>>>>> really sold people on this idea, but they were banking on most
>>>>>>> people buying
>>>>>>> higher end systems, which would mask the performance problems in
>>>>>>> Vista.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only WOW I've heard from people is "Wow, this is really going to
>>>>>>> cost me
>>>>>>> a lot of money, isn't it?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work at
>>>>>>>> different places that have recently purchased new Dell Computer
>>>>>>>> Equipment. A few small business's and some home users, so it's been
>>>>>>>> a combinations of Vista Business and Home Edition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell considers
>>>>>>>> to be an acceptable platform for the Vista operating system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use, though I
>>>>>>>> have to say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
>>>>>>>> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these
>>>>>>>> users and certainly no WOW factor!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any better
>>>>>>>> but they all said the same thing... Why is the new computer running
>>>>>>>> so slow? Surely it should be really fast with the new vista on it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of
>>>>>>>> ram, and I find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell them
>>>>>>>> that in future, they should ask advice before just buying something
>>>>>>>> cheap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS
>>>>>>>> about computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the
>>>>>>>> good thing is that independent computer builders now have a chance
>>>>>>>> of making good spec pc's that will work better for the end user!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> Alias
>
> I don't stalk.. you posted your question right here in this newsgroup..
> did you think that you were only posting to Linux advocacy?[/color]

More lies. I posted that in an Ubuntu newsgroup. You went there to seek
me out, being as you didn't post one single post there.

Alias[color=blue]
>
>
> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eu3aog$4l4$1@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> MS One Care is an option.. I don't and wouldn't use it anymore than I
>>> want or use Sympatico's firewall and av option.. it is a user choice..[/color]
>>
>> Also true with XP.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> If a user wants top performance, it always costs, regardless of
>>> product type.. it is a user choice..[/color]
>>
>> Also true with XP.[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> DRM does not affect me, as I choose not to play files that are
>>> affected.. it is a user choice..[/color]
>>
>> We know you kiss Big Brother's arse. Tell us something we don't
>> already know.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> UAC can be left running or turned off.. it is a user choice..[/color]
>>
>> But it's enabled by default and, whether it's disabled or enabled, it
>> doesn't protect the user one iota.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Most people have only to call an automated service in the event.. I
>>> have just one time..[/color]
>>
>> Sure, pull the other one, Mike, it has bells on it.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Fast PC + fast connection.. yes, web surfing is faster and a better
>>> experience all around.. both are user choices..[/color]
>>
>>
>> Also true with XP.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Does it send e-mail quicker? lolololololol.. you really are having to
>>> dig now.. too funny..[/color]
>>
>> Is that a "no"?
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Graphics, looks, memory management, better and more accomplished base
>>> for the future..[/color]
>>
>> Sure. That's what MS said about Windows Me.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Alias, I choose to help people with their MS problems.. MY choice..[/color]
>>
>> I haven't seen you do more than arse kiss MS with your "help".
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> BTW, I noticed you asking a Linux user about maintenance schedules a
>>> couple of weeks back.. do you know what to do now?[/color]
>>
>> Can't help yourself, eh, stalking me over on the Ubuntu group? Yeah,
>> nothing needs to be done, unlike Windows.
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:eu36id$r6r$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> It is way more capable.. live with it, or say nothing..
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Capable of what, having One Care flag MS product files? Of
>>>> emptying your pockets to buy Vista and Ninja hardware? Of making
>>>> sure you don't play DRM protected media files? Of driving you crazy
>>>> with UAC? Of forcing you to call and grovel to some operator in
>>>> India every time you update the BIOS, hardware or a driver?
>>>>
>>>> Does it surf the web faster? No.
>>>>
>>>> Does it send email quicker? No.
>>>>
>>>> What, exactly makes Vista more capable than Ubuntu or XP?
>>>>
>>>> Alias, not expecting an answer other than to be called a troll or
>>>> otherwise insulted, the SOP when an MS fan boy is called to the floor.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eu33hh$kic$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like
>>>>>>> all of the others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers
>>>>>>> no more than XP did on its release..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is
>>>>>>> that simple..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Capable"? You mean more resource hungry, not more capable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ONwSnxebHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Valid points. It seems to me that there is a lot of truth in the
>>>>>>>> Rumors that Vista
>>>>>>>> was designed to help sell more hardware. Totally flying in the
>>>>>>>> face of the new
>>>>>>>> lower priced PC's being made by the bigger hardware vendors. I
>>>>>>>> suspect Dell
>>>>>>>> is happily selling these cheap systems knowing full well that
>>>>>>>> they will end up
>>>>>>>> selling expensive upgrades on every one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am sad, and a bit surprised by the number of people I see
>>>>>>>> saying "But Vista
>>>>>>>> is newer, so it should be faster, right?" I can only look at
>>>>>>>> them in disbelief. MS
>>>>>>>> really sold people on this idea, but they were banking on most
>>>>>>>> people buying
>>>>>>>> higher end systems, which would mask the performance problems in
>>>>>>>> Vista.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only WOW I've heard from people is "Wow, this is really
>>>>>>>> going to cost me
>>>>>>>> a lot of money, isn't it?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work
>>>>>>>>> at different places that have recently purchased new Dell
>>>>>>>>> Computer Equipment. A few small business's and some home users,
>>>>>>>>> so it's been a combinations of Vista Business and Home Edition.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell
>>>>>>>>> considers to be an acceptable platform for the Vista operating
>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use,
>>>>>>>>> though I have to say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
>>>>>>>>> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these
>>>>>>>>> users and certainly no WOW factor!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any
>>>>>>>>> better but they all said the same thing... Why is the new
>>>>>>>>> computer running so slow? Surely it should be really fast with
>>>>>>>>> the new vista on it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of
>>>>>>>>> ram, and I find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell
>>>>>>>>> them that in future, they should ask advice before just buying
>>>>>>>>> something cheap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it
>>>>>>>>> KNOWS about computers, they should hang their heads in shame..
>>>>>>>>> but the good thing is that independent computer builders now
>>>>>>>>> have a chance of making good spec pc's that will work better
>>>>>>>>> for the end user!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
<mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all of the
>others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than XP did on
>its release..
>
>To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
>simple..[/color]

That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!

I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been endlessly
patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The result
of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat. As
Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due to
trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices that
used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push to
improve "security" and you have a real mess.

At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity of the
OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will react in
a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era where
Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so convoluted
in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up with a
fix that always works for everybody is getting close to impossible.
Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now weights
in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.

The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the next
version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years back.
Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things together.

"Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:eu3e3r$bbj$3@aioe.org...
[color=blue]
> More lies. I posted that in an Ubuntu newsgroup. You went there to seek me
> out, being as you didn't post one single post there.[/color]

Newsflash - some MVPs work with Linux.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
[url]http://www.windowsresource.net/[/url]

*Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*

You posted it for all to see right here in this newsgroup.. I guess that you
forgot to remove the ms groups before you hit send.. it gave me a laugh
anyway..


"Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:eu3e3r$bbj$3@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> Alias
>>
>> I don't stalk.. you posted your question right here in this newsgroup..
>> did you think that you were only posting to Linux advocacy?[/color]
>
> More lies. I posted that in an Ubuntu newsgroup. You went there to seek me
> out, being as you didn't post one single post there.
>
> Alias[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:eu3aog$4l4$1@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>> MS One Care is an option.. I don't and wouldn't use it anymore than I
>>>> want or use Sympatico's firewall and av option.. it is a user choice..
>>>
>>> Also true with XP.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If a user wants top performance, it always costs, regardless of product
>>>> type.. it is a user choice..
>>>
>>> Also true with XP.
>>>>
>>>> DRM does not affect me, as I choose not to play files that are
>>>> affected.. it is a user choice..
>>>
>>> We know you kiss Big Brother's arse. Tell us something we don't already
>>> know.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> UAC can be left running or turned off.. it is a user choice..
>>>
>>> But it's enabled by default and, whether it's disabled or enabled, it
>>> doesn't protect the user one iota.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Most people have only to call an automated service in the event.. I
>>>> have just one time..
>>>
>>> Sure, pull the other one, Mike, it has bells on it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fast PC + fast connection.. yes, web surfing is faster and a better
>>>> experience all around.. both are user choices..
>>>
>>>
>>> Also true with XP.
>>>
>>>> Does it send e-mail quicker? lolololololol.. you really are having to
>>>> dig now.. too funny..
>>>
>>> Is that a "no"?
>>>
>>>> Graphics, looks, memory management, better and more accomplished base
>>>> for the future..
>>>
>>> Sure. That's what MS said about Windows Me.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alias, I choose to help people with their MS problems.. MY choice..
>>>
>>> I haven't seen you do more than arse kiss MS with your "help".
>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I noticed you asking a Linux user about maintenance schedules a
>>>> couple of weeks back.. do you know what to do now?
>>>
>>> Can't help yourself, eh, stalking me over on the Ubuntu group? Yeah,
>>> nothing needs to be done, unlike Windows.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:eu36id$r6r$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is way more capable.. live with it, or say nothing..
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! Capable of what, having One Care flag MS product files? Of
>>>>> emptying your pockets to buy Vista and Ninja hardware? Of making sure
>>>>> you don't play DRM protected media files? Of driving you crazy with
>>>>> UAC? Of forcing you to call and grovel to some operator in India every
>>>>> time you update the BIOS, hardware or a driver?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it surf the web faster? No.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it send email quicker? No.
>>>>>
>>>>> What, exactly makes Vista more capable than Ubuntu or XP?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias, not expecting an answer other than to be called a troll or
>>>>> otherwise insulted, the SOP when an MS fan boy is called to the floor.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eu33hh$kic$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like
>>>>>>>> all of the others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no
>>>>>>>> more than XP did on its release..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is
>>>>>>>> that simple..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Capable"? You mean more resource hungry, not more capable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:ONwSnxebHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Valid points. It seems to me that there is a lot of truth in the
>>>>>>>>> Rumors that Vista
>>>>>>>>> was designed to help sell more hardware. Totally flying in the
>>>>>>>>> face of the new
>>>>>>>>> lower priced PC's being made by the bigger hardware vendors. I
>>>>>>>>> suspect Dell
>>>>>>>>> is happily selling these cheap systems knowing full well that they
>>>>>>>>> will end up
>>>>>>>>> selling expensive upgrades on every one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am sad, and a bit surprised by the number of people I see saying
>>>>>>>>> "But Vista
>>>>>>>>> is newer, so it should be faster, right?" I can only look at them
>>>>>>>>> in disbelief. MS
>>>>>>>>> really sold people on this idea, but they were banking on most
>>>>>>>>> people buying
>>>>>>>>> higher end systems, which would mask the performance problems in
>>>>>>>>> Vista.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only WOW I've heard from people is "Wow, this is really going
>>>>>>>>> to cost me
>>>>>>>>> a lot of money, isn't it?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work at
>>>>>>>>>> different places that have recently purchased new Dell Computer
>>>>>>>>>> Equipment. A few small business's and some home users, so it's
>>>>>>>>>> been a combinations of Vista Business and Home Edition.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell considers
>>>>>>>>>> to be an acceptable platform for the Vista operating system.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use, though
>>>>>>>>>> I have to say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
>>>>>>>>>> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these
>>>>>>>>>> users and certainly no WOW factor!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any
>>>>>>>>>> better but they all said the same thing... Why is the new
>>>>>>>>>> computer running so slow? Surely it should be really fast with
>>>>>>>>>> the new vista on it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of
>>>>>>>>>> ram, and I find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell them
>>>>>>>>>> that in future, they should ask advice before just buying
>>>>>>>>>> something cheap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it
>>>>>>>>>> KNOWS about computers, they should hang their heads in shame..
>>>>>>>>>> but the good thing is that independent computer builders now have
>>>>>>>>>> a chance of making good spec pc's that will work better for the
>>>>>>>>>> end user!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not the basis of Unix and Linux,
constantly being added to and patched?


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:kkea039nd00j80ru3rst7a5abqfldirbj0@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:01:17 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just like all of
>>the
>>others.. it flies in the face of lower end computers no more than XP did
>>on
>>its release..
>>
>>To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it is that
>>simple..[/color]
>
> That's your considered opinion? ROTFLMAO!
>
> I can make it even simpler. Over the years Windows has been endlessly
> patched and held together with bailing wire and duct tape. The result
> of patching older patches with newer ones results in code bloat. As
> Windows evolves, the underlying code gets more complex, much due to
> trying to stay backward compatible with appplications and devices that
> used to work, that now may no longer, not always. Add in the push to
> improve "security" and you have a real mess.
>
> At some point, I sadly suspect we are now there, the complexity of the
> OS is so entangled with elements of itself NOBODY, not even
> Microsoft's own software engineers know for sure how it will react in
> a set of particular circumstances, thus the dawning of a new era where
> Windows now does "weird" things for SOME people that are so convoluted
> in nature trying to understand the 'how come' part and come up with a
> fix that always works for everybody is getting close to impossible.
> Windows' Vista main problem is its size. A normal install now weights
> in at around 8.5 GB, which of course is absurd.
>
> The time for "fixing" Windows is past. Long past. I suspect the next
> version of Windows will be even more radical a departure in what
> software and hardware requirements will be and sooner or later
> Microsoft will do what it should have done at least 10 years back.
> Start over from scratch, totally, instead of endless tinkering,
> patching and buying tons of duct tape to try to hold things together.
>
>[/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> You posted it for all to see right here in this newsgroup.. I guess that
> you forgot to remove the ms groups before you hit send.. it gave me a
> laugh anyway..[/color]

Not true but I guess you have to lie about your lie being as you can't
refute the issues raised.

Alias[color=blue]
>
>
> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eu3e3r$bbj$3@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Alias
>>>
>>> I don't stalk.. you posted your question right here in this
>>> newsgroup.. did you think that you were only posting to Linux advocacy?[/color]
>>
>> More lies. I posted that in an Ubuntu newsgroup. You went there to
>> seek me out, being as you didn't post one single post there.
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:eu3aog$4l4$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>> MS One Care is an option.. I don't and wouldn't use it anymore than
>>>>> I want or use Sympatico's firewall and av option.. it is a user
>>>>> choice..
>>>>
>>>> Also true with XP.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If a user wants top performance, it always costs, regardless of
>>>>> product type.. it is a user choice..
>>>>
>>>> Also true with XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> DRM does not affect me, as I choose not to play files that are
>>>>> affected.. it is a user choice..
>>>>
>>>> We know you kiss Big Brother's arse. Tell us something we don't
>>>> already know.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> UAC can be left running or turned off.. it is a user choice..
>>>>
>>>> But it's enabled by default and, whether it's disabled or enabled,
>>>> it doesn't protect the user one iota.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Most people have only to call an automated service in the event.. I
>>>>> have just one time..
>>>>
>>>> Sure, pull the other one, Mike, it has bells on it.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fast PC + fast connection.. yes, web surfing is faster and a better
>>>>> experience all around.. both are user choices..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also true with XP.
>>>>
>>>>> Does it send e-mail quicker? lolololololol.. you really are having
>>>>> to dig now.. too funny..
>>>>
>>>> Is that a "no"?
>>>>
>>>>> Graphics, looks, memory management, better and more accomplished
>>>>> base for the future..
>>>>
>>>> Sure. That's what MS said about Windows Me.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias, I choose to help people with their MS problems.. MY choice..
>>>>
>>>> I haven't seen you do more than arse kiss MS with your "help".
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, I noticed you asking a Linux user about maintenance schedules
>>>>> a couple of weeks back.. do you know what to do now?
>>>>
>>>> Can't help yourself, eh, stalking me over on the Ubuntu group? Yeah,
>>>> nothing needs to be done, unlike Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eu36id$r6r$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is way more capable.. live with it, or say nothing..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL! Capable of what, having One Care flag MS product files? Of
>>>>>> emptying your pockets to buy Vista and Ninja hardware? Of making
>>>>>> sure you don't play DRM protected media files? Of driving you
>>>>>> crazy with UAC? Of forcing you to call and grovel to some operator
>>>>>> in India every time you update the BIOS, hardware or a driver?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it surf the web faster? No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it send email quicker? No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What, exactly makes Vista more capable than Ubuntu or XP?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias, not expecting an answer other than to be called a troll or
>>>>>> otherwise insulted, the SOP when an MS fan boy is called to the
>>>>>> floor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eu33hh$kic$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Vista was released as the next stage up in Windows OS, just
>>>>>>>>> like all of the others.. it flies in the face of lower end
>>>>>>>>> computers no more than XP did on its release..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To have a more capable OS requires more capable hardware.. it
>>>>>>>>> is that simple..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Capable"? You mean more resource hungry, not more capable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:ONwSnxebHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Valid points. It seems to me that there is a lot of truth in
>>>>>>>>>> the Rumors that Vista
>>>>>>>>>> was designed to help sell more hardware. Totally flying in the
>>>>>>>>>> face of the new
>>>>>>>>>> lower priced PC's being made by the bigger hardware vendors. I
>>>>>>>>>> suspect Dell
>>>>>>>>>> is happily selling these cheap systems knowing full well that
>>>>>>>>>> they will end up
>>>>>>>>>> selling expensive upgrades on every one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am sad, and a bit surprised by the number of people I see
>>>>>>>>>> saying "But Vista
>>>>>>>>>> is newer, so it should be faster, right?" I can only look at
>>>>>>>>>> them in disbelief. MS
>>>>>>>>>> really sold people on this idea, but they were banking on most
>>>>>>>>>> people buying
>>>>>>>>>> higher end systems, which would mask the performance problems
>>>>>>>>>> in Vista.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The only WOW I've heard from people is "Wow, this is really
>>>>>>>>>> going to cost me
>>>>>>>>>> a lot of money, isn't it?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>> news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to
>>>>>>>>>>> work at different places that have recently purchased new
>>>>>>>>>>> Dell Computer Equipment. A few small business's and some home
>>>>>>>>>>> users, so it's been a combinations of Vista Business and Home
>>>>>>>>>>> Edition.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell
>>>>>>>>>>> considers to be an acceptable platform for the Vista
>>>>>>>>>>> operating system.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use,
>>>>>>>>>>> though I have to say it would be fine for Windows XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
>>>>>>>>>>> On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for
>>>>>>>>>>> these users and certainly no WOW factor!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any
>>>>>>>>>>> better but they all said the same thing... Why is the new
>>>>>>>>>>> computer running so slow? Surely it should be really fast
>>>>>>>>>>> with the new vista on it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB
>>>>>>>>>>> of ram, and I find it sluggish at times, all I could do is
>>>>>>>>>>> tell them that in future, they should ask advice before just
>>>>>>>>>>> buying something cheap.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it
>>>>>>>>>>> KNOWS about computers, they should hang their heads in
>>>>>>>>>>> shame.. but the good thing is that independent computer
>>>>>>>>>>> builders now have a chance of making good spec pc's that will
>>>>>>>>>>> work better for the end user!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

Paul Smith wrote:[color=blue]
> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eu3e3r$bbj$3@aioe.org...
>[color=green]
>> More lies. I posted that in an Ubuntu newsgroup. You went there to
>> seek me out, being as you didn't post one single post there.[/color]
>
> Newsflash - some MVPs work with Linux.
>[/color]

And?

Alias